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1. 03:20 AM - CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 (Frank Haertlein)
2. 03:36 AM - against allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other Class B airspace. (Frank Haertlein)
3. 06:28 AM - Re: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 (Roger Kemp)
4. 06:48 AM - Re: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 (Fraser, Gus)
5. 06:49 AM - Re: against allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other Clas (Fraser, Gus)
6. 07:07 AM - Re: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 (Fraser, Gus)
7. 07:32 AM - Re: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 (Richard Basiliere)
8. 07:32 AM - Re: against allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other Clas s B (David Marsh)
9. 08:52 AM - Re: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 (gpa)
10. 09:35 AM - Re: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 (Richard Basiliere)
11. 12:22 PM - Re: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 (Brian Lloyd)
12. 01:21 PM - Re: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 (gpa)
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| Subject: | CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 |
YAKKERS
Sent the following to a fellow, un-named YAK driver after he asked advice on
going from Minnesota to Southern Cal. Anyone want to add to this? He reads
this list so he'll see your responses...if any.
Thanks
Frank
N9110M
K32
To un-named YAK pilot........................
Glad to hear you are getting close to a purchase. I should be back in the
Antelope Valley in a year or thereabouts. I miss the deserts and the
mountains.....Kansas is flat as a slate table studded with radio towers.
Biggest thrill so far has been flying low along the Arkansas River.....and
it can't hold a candle to flying in the west.
About flying from Minnesota to AV..... I suggest using the fuel stop planner
from <outbind://6/www.airnav.com> www.airnav.com. I used it for my flight
to Wichita and found it indispensable. Plan your legs for no more than 200
miles....maybe 150 mile legs since you're going east to west with the
unfavorable winds. The 52 has limited range so keep this at the top of your
mind as you fly. Don't push your luck. When those fuel gauges read 20 liters
you should be in the pattern!
You'll find plenty of small airports along the way with fuel IF you use the
fuel stop planner from <outbind://6/www.airnav.com> www.airnav.com. Airnav
computes a great circle route for you. Make sure to print out all (10) of
the different routes that are calculated for you. Make sure you use a good
GPS and, preferably, keep a spare on hand. Borrow one if you have to! It's
going to take you two days so plan your stops with the end of the day in
mind. You'll want to overnight at some convenient place so plan accordingly.
Allot of small towns don't have even a taxi service.
When crossing the Rockies plan a path over a low section in the mountains.
Otherwise choose a path that keeps a road under you as you cross. Keeps you
from needing to go too high and gives you a place to land if there's a
failure. I carried extra oil with me.
Most of all, have fun and don't go too high....if you do you'll miss the
natural beauty of this country from a perspective that only aviators can
experience! And watch out for all them dammed radio towers they have out
east!
Best Regards
Frank YAK-52
N9110M
K32
----------------Original Message--------------------
From: un-named YAK pilot
Subject: Someone had to replace your Yak
Say Frank,
How is Wichita treating you? Someone has to replace the Yak gap you left in
the Antelope Valley and it is looking like it may be me! I have negotiated
on one in Minnesota and it looks like a deal as of now. Basically, I am
going to have the opposite trip that you had. Any recommendations?
Un-named YAK pilot
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| Subject: | against allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other Class B airspace. |
FAA FEELS AOPA, PILOT PRESSURE, PLANS ADIZ MEETINGS
Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta promised it last Thursday at AOPA
Expo in Tampa. Now the FAA has delivered the formal paperwork (
<http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2005/051107adiz-nprm.pdf>
http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2005/051107adiz-nprm.pdf ), reopening the
comment period on the Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification Zone
(ADIZ). Already more than 18,600 pilots--an unprecedented number-- have
spoken out against making the ADIZ permanent around Washington and against
allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other Class B airspace. Pilots now have
until February 6, 2006, to file their comments. And the FAA has also granted
AOPA's request for public meetings on the ADIZ, saying that the meeting
dates will be published in a future document. "Even with the weight of more
than 18,600 comments, the public meetings are important as well," said AOPA
President Phil Boyer. "And besides the FAA, officials from the Department of
Homeland Security, Department of Defense, and Secret Service need to be
front and center at these meetings. They're the ones making decisions
controlling the airspace; they need to look pilots in the eye and hear
firsthand what their decisions are doing to general aviation."
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| Subject: | CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 |
good advise, nothing to add.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
YAKKERS
Sent the following to a fellow, un-named YAK driver after he asked advice on going
from Minnesota to Southern Cal. Anyone want to add to this? He reads this
list so he'll see your responses...if any.
Thanks
Frank
N9110M
K32
To un-named YAK pilot........................
Glad to hear you are getting close to a purchase. I should be back in the Antelope
Valley in a year or thereabouts. I miss the deserts and the mountains.....Kansas
is flat as a slate table studded with radio towers. Biggest thrill so far
has been flying low along the Arkansas River.....and it can't hold a candle
to flying in the west.
About flying from Minnesota to AV..... I suggest using the fuel stop planner from www.airnav.com. I used it for my flight to Wichita and found it indispensable. Plan your legs for no more than 200 miles....maybe 150 mile legs since you're going east to west with the unfavorable winds. The 52 has limited range so keep this at the top of your mind as you fly. Don't push your luck. When those fuel gauges read 20 liters you should be in the pattern!
You'll find plenty of small airports along the way with fuel IF you use the fuel stop planner from www.airnav.com. Airnav computes a great circle route for you. Make sure to print out all (10) of the different routes that are calculated for you. Make sure you use a good GPS and, preferably, keep a spare on hand. Borrow one if you have to! It's going to take you two days so plan your stops with the end of the day in mind. You'll want to overnight at some convenient place so plan accordingly. Allot of small towns don't have even a taxi service.
When crossing the Rockies plan a path over a low section in the mountains. Otherwise
choose a path that keeps a road under you as you cross. Keeps you from needing
to go too high and gives you a place to land if there's a failure. I carried
extra oil with me.
Most of all, have fun and don't go too high....if you do you'll miss the natural
beauty of this country from a perspective that only aviators can experience!
And watch out for all them dammed radio towers they have out east!
Best Regards
Frank YAK-52
N9110M
K32
----------------Original Message--------------------
From: un-named YAK pilot
Subject: Someone had to replace your Yak
Say Frank,
How is Wichita treating you? Someone has to replace the Yak gap you left in the
Antelope Valley and it is looking like it may be me! I have negotiated on one
in Minnesota and it looks like a deal as of now. Basically, I am going to have
the opposite trip that you had. Any recommendations?
Un-named YAK pilot
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| Subject: | CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 |
Just one thing to add. If you don't have a fuel usage computer this will not
be obvious. Depending on winds you may be able to get up to about 10,000 ft.
In my experience this is the critical altitude for this engine. There is no
critical altitude published this is just from my experience. When flying at
altitude have the pitch back as far as your fillings will allow and the
boost forward. Remember up there you will not be over square, not that that
is an issue for this engine anyway. Doing this I can get 9-10 gallons an
hour at best cruise indicated. This was in the summer so you should do even
better this time of year.
This comes with a very strong word of caution. Remember that as you start to
descend your fuel usage will go up, and possibly by a large amount. Expect
your fuel usage to go up to at least 12-14 gallons an hour below 5,000, and
remember to reduce boost on the way down. This is only an issue if you try
and stretch the fuel.
You will be tempted to go for a few extra knots, don't that aerofoil will
cost you if you do that. Somewhere between 170 and 200 kts should be about
right. Anything faster than that and you will be in the 14-18 gal per hour
area.
Basically as with most flying get up as much as you can for cross country
based on the winds.
Hope this helps.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
YAKKERS
Sent the following to a fellow, un-named YAK driver after he asked advice on
going from Minnesota to Southern Cal. Anyone want to add to this? He reads
this list so he'll see your responses...if any.
Thanks
Frank
N9110M
K32
To un-named YAK pilot........................
Glad to hear you are getting close to a purchase. I should be back in the
Antelope Valley in a year or thereabouts. I miss the deserts and the
mountains.....Kansas is flat as a slate table studded with radio towers.
Biggest thrill so far has been flying low along the Arkansas River.....and
it can't hold a candle to flying in the west.
About flying from Minnesota to AV..... I suggest using the fuel stop planner
from <outbind://6/www.airnav.com> www.airnav.com. I used it for my flight
to Wichita and found it indispensable. Plan your legs for no more than 200
miles....maybe 150 mile legs since you're going east to west with the
unfavorable winds. The 52 has limited range so keep this at the top of your
mind as you fly. Don't push your luck. When those fuel gauges read 20 liters
you should be in the pattern!
You'll find plenty of small airports along the way with fuel IF you use the
fuel stop planner from <outbind://6/www.airnav.com> www.airnav.com. Airnav
computes a great circle route for you. Make sure to print out all (10) of
the different routes that are calculated for you. Make sure you use a good
GPS and, preferably, keep a spare on hand. Borrow one if you have to! It's
going to take you two days so plan your stops with the end of the day in
mind. You'll want to overnight at some convenient place so plan accordingly.
Allot of small towns don't have even a taxi service.
When crossing the Rockies plan a path over a low section in the mountains.
Otherwise choose a path that keeps a road under you as you cross. Keeps you
from needing to go too high and gives you a place to land if there's a
failure. I carried extra oil with me.
Most of all, have fun and don't go too high....if you do you'll miss the
natural beauty of this country from a perspective that only aviators can
experience! And watch out for all them dammed radio towers they have out
east!
Best Regards
Frank YAK-52
N9110M
K32
----------------Original Message--------------------
From: un-named YAK pilot
Subject: Someone had to replace your Yak
Say Frank,
How is Wichita treating you? Someone has to replace the Yak gap you left in
the Antelope Valley and it is looking like it may be me! I have negotiated
on one in Minnesota and it looks like a deal as of now. Basically, I am
going to have the opposite trip that you had. Any recommendations?
Un-named YAK pilot
Message
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2769" name=GENERATOR>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Just one thing to add. If you don't have a fuel usage computer
this will not be obvious. Depending on winds you may be able to get up to about
10,000 ft. In my experience this is the critical altitude for this engine. There
is no critical altitude published this is just from my experience.When
flying at altitude have the pitch back as far as your fillings will allow and
the boost forward. Remember up there you will not be over square, not that that
is an issue for this engine anyway. Doing this I can get 9-10 gallons an hour at
best cruise indicated. This was in the summer so you should do even better this
time of year.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>This comes with a very strong word of caution. Remember that as
you start to descend your fuel usage will go up, and possibly by a large amount.
Expect your fuel usage to go up to at least 12-14 gallons an hour below 5,000,
and remember to reduce boost on the way down. This is only an issue if you try
and stretch the fuel.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>You will be tempted to go for a few extra knots, don't that
aerofoil will cost you if you do that. Somewhere between 170 and 200 kts should
be about right. Anything faster than that and you will be in the 14-18 gal per
hour area.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Basically as with most flying get up as much as you can for cross
country based on the winds.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Hope this helps.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Haertlein
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A
52
<FONT
color=#000000><FONT
color=#0000ff>YAKKERS
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff>Sent the following to
a fellow, un-named YAK driver after he asked advice on going from Minnesota to
Southern Cal. Anyone want to add to this? He reads this list so he'll see your
responses...if any.
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>Thanks
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>Frank
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>N9110M
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>K32
To un-named
YAK pilot........................
Glad to hear you are getting close to a
purchase. I should be back in the Antelope
Valley in a year or thereabouts.
I miss the deserts and the mountains.....Kansas is flat as a slate table
studded with radio towers. Biggest thrill so far has been flying low along the
Arkansas River.....and it can't hold a candle to flying in the
west.
About flying from Minnesota to AV..... I
suggest using the fuel stop planner from <A
"><FONT
face=Arial>www.airnav.com. I
used it for my flight to Wichita and found it indispensable. Plan your legs
for no more than 200 miles....maybe 150 mile legs since you're going east to
west with the unfavorable winds. The 52 has limited range so keep this at the
top of your mind as you fly. Don't push your luck. When those fuel gauges read
20 liters you should be in the pattern!
You'll find plenty of small airports along
the way with fuel IF you use the fuel stop planner from <A
"><FONT
face=Arial>www.airnav.com.
Airnav computes a great circle route for you. Make sure to print out all
(10)of the different routes that
are calculated for you. Make sure you use a good GPS and, preferably, keep a
spare on hand. Borrow one if you have to! It's going to take you two days so
plan your stops with the end of the day in mind. You'll want to overnight at
some convenient place so plan accordingly. Allot of small towns don't have
even a taxi service.
When crossing the Rockies plan a path over a
low section in the mountains. Otherwise choose a path that keeps a road under
you as you cross. Keeps you from needing to go too high and gives you a place
to land if there's a failure. I carried extra oil with me.
Most of all, have fun and don't go too
high....if you do you'll miss the natural beauty of this country from a
perspective that only aviators can experience! And watch out for all them
dammed radio towers they have out east!
Best Regards
Frank YAK-52
N9110M
K32
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>----------------Original
Message--------------------
From:<SPAN
class=714000304-10112005>un-named YAK pilot
AM
Subject: Someone had to replace your Yak
Say Frank,
How is Wichita treating you? Someone has to
replace the Yak gap you left in the Antelope
Valley and it is looking like it
may be me! I have negotiated on one in Minnesota and it looks like a deal as
of now. Basically, I am going to have the opposite trip that you had. Any
recommendations?
Un-named YAK
pilot
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s B airspace.
| Subject: | against allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other Clas |
s B airspace.
As I said before if you choose not to speak up on this explain to your kids
why they may not be able to fly as a private pilot when they grow up.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: against allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other Class B
airspace.
FAA FEELS AOPA, PILOT PRESSURE, PLANS ADIZ MEETINGS
Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta promised it last Thursday at AOPA
Expo in Tampa. Now the FAA has delivered the formal paperwork (
<http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2005/051107adiz-nprm.pdf>
http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2005/051107adiz-nprm.pdf ), reopening the
comment period on the Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification Zone
(ADIZ). Already more than 18,600 pilots--an unprecedented number-- have
spoken out against making the ADIZ permanent around Washington and against
allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other Class B airspace. Pilots now have
until February 6, 2006, to file their comments. And the FAA has also granted
AOPA's request for public meetings on the ADIZ, saying that the meeting
dates will be published in a future document. "Even with the weight of more
than 18,600 comments, the public meetings are important as well," said AOPA
President Phil Boyer. "And besides the FAA, officials from the Department of
Homeland Security, Department of Defense, and Secret Service need to be
front and center at these meetings. They're the ones making decisions
controlling the airspace; they need to look pilots in the eye and hear
firsthand what their decisions are doing to general aviation."
Message
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2769" name=GENERATOR>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>As I said before if you choose not to speak up on this explain to
your kids why they may not be able to fly as a private pilot when they grow
up.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Haertlein
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: against allowing ADIZs to
metastasize to other Class B airspace.
FAA FEELS AOPA, PILOT PRESSURE, PLANS ADIZ
MEETINGS
<SPAN
class=671583311-11112005>
<SPAN
class=671583311-11112005>Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta
promised it last Thursday at AOPA Expo in Tampa. Now the FAA has delivered the
formal paperwork ( <A
"><FONT
face=Arial>http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2005/051107adiz-nprm.pdf<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff> ), reopening the comment period on the Washington,
D.C., Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ). Already more than 18,600
pilots--an unprecedented number-- have spoken out against making the ADIZ
permanent around Washington and against allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other
Class B airspace. Pilots now have until February 6, 2006, to file their
comments. And the FAA has also granted AOPA's request for public meetings on
the ADIZ, saying that the meeting dates will be published in a future
document. "Even with the weight of more than 18,600 comments, the public
meetings are important as well," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "And besides
the FAA, officials from the Department of Homeland Security, Department of
Defense, and Secret Service need to be front and center at these meetings.
They're the ones making decisions controlling the airspace; they need to look
pilots in the eye and hear firsthand what their decisions are doing to general
aviation."
<SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>
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| Subject: | CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 |
Sorry in my reply I said 170 and 200 kts , of course I meant kph.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
Just one thing to add. If you don't have a fuel usage computer this will not
be obvious. Depending on winds you may be able to get up to about 10,000 ft.
In my experience this is the critical altitude for this engine. There is no
critical altitude published this is just from my experience. When flying at
altitude have the pitch back as far as your fillings will allow and the
boost forward. Remember up there you will not be over square, not that that
is an issue for this engine anyway. Doing this I can get 9-10 gallons an
hour at best cruise indicated. This was in the summer so you should do even
better this time of year.
This comes with a very strong word of caution. Remember that as you start to
descend your fuel usage will go up, and possibly by a large amount. Expect
your fuel usage to go up to at least 12-14 gallons an hour below 5,000, and
remember to reduce boost on the way down. This is only an issue if you try
and stretch the fuel.
You will be tempted to go for a few extra knots, don't that aerofoil will
cost you if you do that. Somewhere between 170 and 200 kts should be about
right. Anything faster than that and you will be in the 14-18 gal per hour
area.
Basically as with most flying get up as much as you can for cross country
based on the winds.
Hope this helps.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
YAKKERS
Sent the following to a fellow, un-named YAK driver after he asked advice on
going from Minnesota to Southern Cal. Anyone want to add to this? He reads
this list so he'll see your responses...if any.
Thanks
Frank
N9110M
K32
To un-named YAK pilot........................
Glad to hear you are getting close to a purchase. I should be back in the
Antelope Valley in a year or thereabouts. I miss the deserts and the
mountains.....Kansas is flat as a slate table studded with radio towers.
Biggest thrill so far has been flying low along the Arkansas River.....and
it can't hold a candle to flying in the west.
About flying from Minnesota to AV..... I suggest using the fuel stop planner
from <outbind://6/www.airnav.com> www.airnav.com. I used it for my flight
to Wichita and found it indispensable. Plan your legs for no more than 200
miles....maybe 150 mile legs since you're going east to west with the
unfavorable winds. The 52 has limited range so keep this at the top of your
mind as you fly. Don't push your luck. When those fuel gauges read 20 liters
you should be in the pattern!
You'll find plenty of small airports along the way with fuel IF you use the
fuel stop planner from <outbind://6/www.airnav.com> www.airnav.com. Airnav
computes a great circle route for you. Make sure to print out all (10) of
the different routes that are calculated for you. Make sure you use a good
GPS and, preferably, keep a spare on hand. Borrow one if you have to! It's
going to take you two days so plan your stops with the end of the day in
mind. You'll want to overnight at some convenient place so plan accordingly.
Allot of small towns don't have even a taxi service.
When crossing the Rockies plan a path over a low section in the mountains.
Otherwise choose a path that keeps a road under you as you cross. Keeps you
from needing to go too high and gives you a place to land if there's a
failure. I carried extra oil with me.
Most of all, have fun and don't go too high....if you do you'll miss the
natural beauty of this country from a perspective that only aviators can
experience! And watch out for all them dammed radio towers they have out
east!
Best Regards
Frank YAK-52
N9110M
K32
----------------Original Message--------------------
From: un-named YAK pilot
Subject: Someone had to replace your Yak
Say Frank,
How is Wichita treating you? Someone has to replace the Yak gap you left in
the Antelope Valley and it is looking like it may be me! I have negotiated
on one in Minnesota and it looks like a deal as of now. Basically, I am
going to have the opposite trip that you had. Any recommendations?
Un-named YAK pilot
Message
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2769" name=GENERATOR>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Sorry in my reply I said 170 and 200 kts , of course I meant
kph.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fraser,
Gus
'yak-list@matronics.com'
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A
52
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Just one thing to add. If you don't have a fuel usage computer
this will not be obvious. Depending on winds you may be able to get up to
about 10,000 ft. In my experience this is the critical altitude for this
engine. There is no critical altitude published this is just from my
experience.When flying at altitude have the pitch back as far as your
fillings will allow and the boost forward. Remember up there you will not be
over square, not that that is an issue for this engine anyway. Doing this I
can get 9-10 gallons an hour at best cruise indicated. This was in the summer
so you should do even better this time of year.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>This comes with a very strong word of caution. Remember that as
you start to descend your fuel usage will go up, and possibly by a large
amount. Expect your fuel usage to go up to at least 12-14 gallons an hour
below 5,000, and remember to reduce boost on the way down. This is only an
issue if you try and stretch the fuel.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>You will be tempted to go for a few extra knots, don't that
aerofoil will cost you if you do that. Somewhere between 170 and 200 kts
should be about right. Anything faster than that and you will be in the 14-18
gal per hour area.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Basically as with most flying get up as much as you can for
cross country based on the winds.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Hope this helps.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Haertlein
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A
52
<FONT
color=#000000><FONT
color=#0000ff>YAKKERS
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff>Sent the following
to a fellow, un-named YAK driver after he asked advice on going from
Minnesota to Southern Cal. Anyone want to add to this? He reads this list so
he'll see your responses...if any.
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>Thanks
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>Frank
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>N9110M
<FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=656551311-11112005>K32
To un-named
YAK pilot........................
Glad to hear you are getting close to a
purchase. I should be back in the Antelope
Valley in a year or
thereabouts. I miss the deserts and the mountains.....Kansas is flat as a
slate table studded with radio towers. Biggest thrill so far has been flying
low along the Arkansas River.....and it can't hold a candle to flying in the
west.
About flying from Minnesota to AV..... I
suggest using the fuel stop planner from <A
"><FONT
face=Arial>www.airnav.com. I
used it for my flight to Wichita and found it indispensable. Plan your legs
for no more than 200 miles....maybe 150 mile legs since you're going east to
west with the unfavorable winds. The 52 has limited range so keep this at
the top of your mind as you fly. Don't push your luck. When those fuel
gauges read 20 liters you should be in the pattern!
You'll find plenty of small airports along
the way with fuel IF you use the fuel stop planner from <A
"><FONT
face=Arial>www.airnav.com.
Airnav computes a great circle route for you. Make sure to print out all
(10)of the different routes that
are calculated for you. Make sure you use a good GPS and, preferably, keep
a
spare on hand. Borrow one if you have to! It's going to take you two days so
plan your stops with the end of the day in mind. You'll want to overnight at
some convenient place so plan accordingly. Allot of small towns don't have
even a taxi service.
When crossing the Rockies plan a path over
a low section in the mountains. Otherwise choose a path that keeps a road
under you as you cross. Keeps you from needing to go too high and gives you
a place to land if there's a failure. I carried extra oil with me.
Most of all, have fun and don't go too
high....if you do you'll miss the natural beauty of this country from a
perspective that only aviators can experience! And watch out for all them
dammed radio towers they have out east!
Best Regards
Frank YAK-52
N9110M
K32
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>----------------Original
Message--------------------
From:<SPAN
class=714000304-10112005>un-named YAK pilot
AM
Subject: Someone had to replace your Yak
Say Frank,
How is Wichita treating you? Someone has
to replace the Yak gap you left in the A<SPAN
class=714000304-10112005>ntelope V<SPAN
class=714000304-10112005>alley and it is looking like it may be me! I
have negotiated on one in Minnesota and it looks like a deal as of now.
Basically, I am going to have the opposite trip that you had. Any
recommendations?
Un-named
YAK
pilot
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FYI, my 2 cents. If you haven't had a good mountain check out - stay
out of the "Rock". Go south through ABQ - Double Eagle usually has
cheap self serve.
If you want a check out - stop in - little mountain airports, tricky
winds, and high density altitude have left way too many aluminum and
human entrails up there.
Just for giggles: When Nik Timofeev and I flew SU-31 and SU-29 from
the Front Range (flat part of eastern CO) to Grand Junction it puckered
Nik as we snaked our way through the Rock...
Respectfully, Rick b
>>> gus.fraser@gs.com 11/11/2005 8:06:36 AM >>>
Sorry in my reply I said 170 and 200 kts , of course I meant kph.
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
Just one thing to add. If you don't have a fuel usage computer this
will not be obvious. Depending on winds you may be able to get up to
about 10,000 ft. In my experience this is the critical altitude for this
engine. There is no critical altitude published this is just from my
experience. When flying at altitude have the pitch back as far as your
fillings will allow and the boost forward. Remember up there you will
not be over square, not that that is an issue for this engine anyway.
Doing this I can get 9-10 gallons an hour at best cruise indicated. This
was in the summer so you should do even better this time of year.
This comes with a very strong word of caution. Remember that as you
start to descend your fuel usage will go up, and possibly by a large
amount. Expect your fuel usage to go up to at least 12-14 gallons an
hour below 5,000, and remember to reduce boost on the way down. This is
only an issue if you try and stretch the fuel.
You will be tempted to go for a few extra knots, don't that aerofoil
will cost you if you do that. Somewhere between 170 and 200 kts should
be about right. Anything faster than that and you will be in the 14-18
gal per hour area.
Basically as with most flying get up as much as you can for cross
country based on the winds.
Hope this helps.
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
YAKKERS
Sent the following to a fellow, un-named YAK driver after he asked
advice on going from Minnesota to Southern Cal. Anyone want to add to
this? He reads this list so he'll see your responses...if any.
Thanks
Frank
N9110M
K32
To un-named YAK pilot........................
Glad to hear you are getting close to a purchase. I should be back in
the Antelope Valley in a year or thereabouts. I miss the deserts and the
mountains.....Kansas is flat as a slate table studded with radio towers.
Biggest thrill so far has been flying low along the Arkansas
River.....and it can't hold a candle to flying in the west.
About flying from Minnesota to AV..... I suggest using the fuel stop
planner from www.airnav.com. I used it for my flight to Wichita and
found it indispensable. Plan your legs for no more than 200
miles....maybe 150 mile legs since you're going east to west with the
unfavorable winds. The 52 has limited range so keep this at the top of
your mind as you fly. Don't push your luck. When those fuel gauges read
20 liters you should be in the pattern!
You'll find plenty of small airports along the way with fuel IF you use
the fuel stop planner from www.airnav.com. Airnav computes a great
circle route for you. Make sure to print out all (10) of the different
routes that are calculated for you. Make sure you use a good GPS and,
preferably, keep a spare on hand. Borrow one if you have to! It's going
to take you two days so plan your stops with the end of the day in mind.
You'll want to overnight at some convenient place so plan accordingly.
Allot of small towns don't have even a taxi service.
When crossing the Rockies plan a path over a low section in the
mountains. Otherwise choose a path that keeps a road under you as you
cross. Keeps you from needing to go too high and gives you a place to
land if there's a failure. I carried extra oil with me.
Most of all, have fun and don't go too high....if you do you'll miss
the natural beauty of this country from a perspective that only aviators
can experience! And watch out for all them dammed radio towers they have
out east!
Best Regards
Frank YAK-52
N9110M
K32
----------------Original Message--------------------
From: un-named YAK pilot
Subject: Someone had to replace your Yak
Say Frank,
How is Wichita treating you? Someone has to replace the Yak gap you
left in the Antelope Valley and it is looking like it may be me! I have
negotiated on one in Minnesota and it looks like a deal as of now.
Basically, I am going to have the opposite trip that you had. Any
recommendations?
Un-named YAK pilot
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airspace.
| Subject: | Re: against allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other Clas |
s B
airspace.
<809EE69495907C4792DA146F62A2937A039C39C7@gsnmp21es.firmwide.corp.gs.com>
MessageFolks,
I'm a for'ner and even I felt compelled to write to the FAA. I hope by now there
is nobody reading this list who has not commented. I don't have a congressman,
but most of you do. WRITE !
I wish AOPA had drawn the line in the sand over the moving TFR nonsense, but they
didn't. They drew it hear. Fail to shoot this proposal down and you will open
the floodgates for every populist talking head with an election to win.
Dave.
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:48 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: against allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other Clas s
B airspace.
As I said before if you choose not to speak up on this explain to your kids why
they may not be able to fly as a private pilot when they grow up.
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 6:36 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: against allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other Class B airspace.
FAA FEELS AOPA, PILOT PRESSURE, PLANS ADIZ MEETINGS
Transportation Secretary Norman Y. Mineta promised it last Thursday at AOPA Expo in Tampa. Now the FAA has delivered the formal paperwork ( http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2005/051107adiz-nprm.pdf ), reopening the comment period on the Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ). Already more than 18,600 pilots--an unprecedented number-- have spoken out against making the ADIZ permanent around Washington and against allowing ADIZs to metastasize to other Class B airspace. Pilots now have until February 6, 2006, to file their comments. And the FAA has also granted AOPA's request for public meetings on the ADIZ, saying that the meeting dates will be published in a future document. "Even with the weight of more than 18,600 comments, the public meetings are important as well," said AOPA President Phil Boyer. "And besides the FAA, officials from the Department of Homeland Security, Department of Defense, and Secret Service need to be front and center at these meetings. They're the ones making decisions controlling the airspace; they need to look pilots in the eye and hear firsthand what their decisions are doing to general aviation."
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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| Subject: | Re: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 |
MessageI grew up in Southern California and learned to fly out that way across
all of those pointy things. I got a few never again stories of my own. If you're
not experienced flying in mountains please don't attempt it unless you have
someone along who has real mountain flying experience. If you are bound and
determined to do it though, I would cross even further south than ABQ, down
by Carlesbad, NM. After the pass at Guadalupe just south Carlesbad the terrain
gets "easy". Once through the pass follow I-10 north of El Paso up through
Deming, Lordsburg, Conchise County, and Tucson. After that follow the highway
into Yuma (Hwy 8?). I certainly would not cross the rockies anywhere further
north. Stay over roads always.
Good Luck
Greg Arnold
N624PT
-----------------------------------------
An aircraft in a hangar is safe, but that's not what aircraft are built for.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Basiliere
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:31 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
FYI, my 2 cents. If you haven't had a good mountain check out - stay out of
the "Rock". Go south through ABQ - Double Eagle usually has cheap self serve.
If you want a check out - stop in - little mountain airports, tricky winds, and
high density altitude have left way too many aluminum and human entrails up
there.
Just for giggles: When Nik Timofeev and I flew SU-31 and SU-29 from the Front
Range (flat part of eastern CO) to Grand Junction it puckered Nik as we snaked
our way through the Rock...
Respectfully, Rick b
>>> gus.fraser@gs.com 11/11/2005 8:06:36 AM >>>
Sorry in my reply I said 170 and 200 kts , of course I meant kph.
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:48 AM
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
Just one thing to add. If you don't have a fuel usage computer this will not
be obvious. Depending on winds you may be able to get up to about 10,000 ft.
In my experience this is the critical altitude for this engine. There is no critical
altitude published this is just from my experience. When flying at altitude
have the pitch back as far as your fillings will allow and the boost forward.
Remember up there you will not be over square, not that that is an issue
for this engine anyway. Doing this I can get 9-10 gallons an hour at best cruise
indicated. This was in the summer so you should do even better this time of
year.
This comes with a very strong word of caution. Remember that as you start to
descend your fuel usage will go up, and possibly by a large amount. Expect your
fuel usage to go up to at least 12-14 gallons an hour below 5,000, and remember
to reduce boost on the way down. This is only an issue if you try and stretch
the fuel.
You will be tempted to go for a few extra knots, don't that aerofoil will cost
you if you do that. Somewhere between 170 and 200 kts should be about right.
Anything faster than that and you will be in the 14-18 gal per hour area.
Basically as with most flying get up as much as you can for cross country based
on the winds.
Hope this helps.
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 6:19 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
YAKKERS
Sent the following to a fellow, un-named YAK driver after he asked advice
on going from Minnesota to Southern Cal. Anyone want to add to this? He reads
this list so he'll see your responses...if any.
Thanks
Frank
N9110M
K32
To un-named YAK pilot........................
Glad to hear you are getting close to a purchase. I should be back in the
Antelope Valley in a year or thereabouts. I miss the deserts and the mountains.....Kansas
is flat as a slate table studded with radio towers. Biggest thrill
so far has been flying low along the Arkansas River.....and it can't hold a
candle to flying in the west.
About flying from Minnesota to AV..... I suggest using the fuel stop planner from www.airnav.com. I used it for my flight to Wichita and found it indispensable. Plan your legs for no more than 200 miles....maybe 150 mile legs since you're going east to west with the unfavorable winds. The 52 has limited range so keep this at the top of your mind as you fly. Don't push your luck. When those fuel gauges read 20 liters you should be in the pattern!
You'll find plenty of small airports along the way with fuel IF you use the fuel stop planner from www.airnav.com. Airnav computes a great circle route for you. Make sure to print out all (10) of the different routes that are calculated for you. Make sure you use a good GPS and, preferably, keep a spare on hand. Borrow one if you have to! It's going to take you two days so plan your stops with the end of the day in mind. You'll want to overnight at some convenient place so plan accordingly. Allot of small towns don't have even a taxi service.
When crossing the Rockies plan a path over a low section in the mountains.
Otherwise choose a path that keeps a road under you as you cross. Keeps you
from needing to go too high and gives you a place to land if there's a failure.
I carried extra oil with me.
Most of all, have fun and don't go too high....if you do you'll miss the
natural beauty of this country from a perspective that only aviators can experience!
And watch out for all them dammed radio towers they have out east!
Best Regards
Frank YAK-52
N9110M
K32
----------------Original Message--------------------
From: un-named YAK pilot
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:25 AM
To: Frank Haertlein
Subject: Someone had to replace your Yak
Say Frank,
How is Wichita treating you? Someone has to replace the Yak gap you left
in the Antelope Valley and it is looking like it may be me! I have negotiated
on one in Minnesota and it looks like a deal as of now. Basically, I am going
to have the opposite trip that you had. Any recommendations?
Un-named YAK pilot
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| Subject: | Re: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52 |
Amen
>>> catfsh4u@bellsouth.net 11/11/2005 9:50:04 AM >>>
I grew up in Southern California and learned to fly out that way across
all of those pointy things. I got a few never again stories of my own.
If you're not experienced flying in mountains please don't attempt it
unless you have someone along who has real mountain flying experience.
If you are bound and determined to do it though, I would cross even
further south than ABQ, down by Carlesbad, NM. After the pass at
Guadalupe just south Carlesbad the terrain gets "easy". Once through
the pass follow I-10 north of El Paso up through Deming, Lordsburg,
Conchise County, and Tucson. After that follow the highway into Yuma
(Hwy 8?). I certainly would not cross the rockies anywhere further
north. Stay over roads always.
Good Luck
Greg Arnold
N624PT
-----------------------------------------
An aircraft in a hangar is safe, but that's not what aircraft are built
for.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Basiliere
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
FYI, my 2 cents. If you haven't had a good mountain check out - stay
out of the "Rock". Go south through ABQ - Double Eagle usually has
cheap self serve.
If you want a check out - stop in - little mountain airports, tricky
winds, and high density altitude have left way too many aluminum and
human entrails up there.
Just for giggles: When Nik Timofeev and I flew SU-31 and SU-29 from
the Front Range (flat part of eastern CO) to Grand Junction it puckered
Nik as we snaked our way through the Rock...
Respectfully, Rick b
>>> gus.fraser@gs.com 11/11/2005 8:06:36 AM >>>
Sorry in my reply I said 170 and 200 kts , of course I meant kph.
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
Just one thing to add. If you don't have a fuel usage computer this
will not be obvious. Depending on winds you may be able to get up to
about 10,000 ft. In my experience this is the critical altitude for this
engine. There is no critical altitude published this is just from my
experience. When flying at altitude have the pitch back as far as your
fillings will allow and the boost forward. Remember up there you will
not be over square, not that that is an issue for this engine anyway.
Doing this I can get 9-10 gallons an hour at best cruise indicated. This
was in the summer so you should do even better this time of year.
This comes with a very strong word of caution. Remember that as you
start to descend your fuel usage will go up, and possibly by a large
amount. Expect your fuel usage to go up to at least 12-14 gallons an
hour below 5,000, and remember to reduce boost on the way down. This is
only an issue if you try and stretch the fuel.
You will be tempted to go for a few extra knots, don't that aerofoil
will cost you if you do that. Somewhere between 170 and 200 kts should
be about right. Anything faster than that and you will be in the 14-18
gal per hour area.
Basically as with most flying get up as much as you can for cross
country based on the winds.
Hope this helps.
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
YAKKERS
Sent the following to a fellow, un-named YAK driver after he asked
advice on going from Minnesota to Southern Cal. Anyone want to add to
this? He reads this list so he'll see your responses...if any.
Thanks
Frank
N9110M
K32
To un-named YAK pilot........................
Glad to hear you are getting close to a purchase. I should be back in
the Antelope Valley in a year or thereabouts. I miss the deserts and the
mountains.....Kansas is flat as a slate table studded with radio towers.
Biggest thrill so far has been flying low along the Arkansas
River.....and it can't hold a candle to flying in the west.
About flying from Minnesota to AV..... I suggest using the fuel stop
planner from www.airnav.com. I used it for my flight to Wichita and
found it indispensable. Plan your legs for no more than 200
miles....maybe 150 mile legs since you're going east to west with the
unfavorable winds. The 52 has limited range so keep this at the top of
your mind as you fly. Don't push your luck. When those fuel gauges read
20 liters you should be in the pattern!
You'll find plenty of small airports along the way with fuel IF you use
the fuel stop planner from www.airnav.com. Airnav computes a great
circle route for you. Make sure to print out all (10) of the different
routes that are calculated for you. Make sure you use a good GPS and,
preferably, keep a spare on hand. Borrow one if you have to! It's going
to take you two days so plan your stops with the end of the day in mind.
You'll want to overnight at some convenient place so plan accordingly.
Allot of small towns don't have even a taxi service.
When crossing the Rockies plan a path over a low section in the
mountains. Otherwise choose a path that keeps a road under you as you
cross. Keeps you from needing to go too high and gives you a place to
land if there's a failure. I carried extra oil with me.
Most of all, have fun and don't go too high....if you do you'll miss
the natural beauty of this country from a perspective that only aviators
can experience! And watch out for all them dammed radio towers they have
out east!
Best Regards
Frank YAK-52
N9110M
K32
----------------Original Message--------------------
From: un-named YAK pilot
Subject: Someone had to replace your Yak
Say Frank,
How is Wichita treating you? Someone has to replace the Yak gap you
left in the Antelope Valley and it is looking like it may be me! I have
negotiated on one in Minnesota and it looks like a deal as of now.
Basically, I am going to have the opposite trip that you had. Any
recommendations?
Un-named YAK pilot
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
gpa wrote:
> Lordsburg, Conchise County, and Tucson. After that follow the highway
> into Yuma (Hwy 8?). I certainly would not cross the rockies anywhere
> further north. Stay over roads always.
There are lots of great places to cross. If the weather is good you can go
across the high plains of Wyoming. It is lovely.
Scotts Bluff, NE
Rock Springs, WY
Ft. Bridger, WY
Provo, UT
I can't count how many times I have crossed using that route. There are some
good routes up through Montana too.
And the real threat is not the Rockies, it is the Sierra Nevada.
I taught my son Cameron mountain flying in our Piper Clipper (now there is an
airplane with *NO* high-density-altitude performance). He got the message the
first time we took off from Truckee and his climb gradient was less than the
inclination of the terrain. (There was no threat as there was lower terrain he
could easily reach but he was fixated on flying the standard traffic pattern.)
I could see his eyes getting bigger when I finally said, "those trees are sure
getting bigger."
He said, "Yeah!"
I then asked if he thought he was going to clear them.
He said, "No, I don't think we can get over them."
I waited a couple seconds more and then asked the critical question, "So, what
are you going to do?"
I then asked, "So, where is there lower terrain?"
He indicated off to the left.
I then asked, "Don't you think we ought to go over there then?"
He replied, "But that is the glider pattern. We aren't a glider."
I responded with, "Yeah, but right now they have more performance than you do."
Flying to lower terrain solved the problem. The experience was priceless.
BTW, he and his little brother took the Clipper and flew around the US that
summer, including a side jaunt to Oshkosh. Those of you who were at OSH in
2000 probably remember meeting them.
So don't be afraid of the left side of the country. Your Yak-52 has a lot of
performance. Mostly you need to give yourself lots of altitude and watch for
areas of sink that will exceed your rate of climb. Oh, and no flying up box
canyons.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "gpa" <catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
Glad to hear there are good places other than southern rockies to cross. I
would LOVE to go that way across Wyoming. You say watch your rate of
sink?..yeah, that's an understatement. Nothing like waching that altimeter
unwind over the mountains at over 2,000 feet a minute. And that's on a nice
day. So far I've only taken the southern route since I've always had to get
to So Cal and I'm coming through from Alabama. When I lived in Northern
California I'd cross in the "low" spot where the Sierras and the Cascades
come together around Mt. Lassen. I got tip tanks on my Yak which gives me
approximately 74 gallons total fuel. I'll look into the Wyoming crossing
next time for sure. Thanks.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> gpa wrote:
>
>> Lordsburg, Conchise County, and Tucson. After that follow the highway
>> into Yuma (Hwy 8?). I certainly would not cross the rockies anywhere
>> further north. Stay over roads always.
>
> There are lots of great places to cross. If the weather is good you can go
> across the high plains of Wyoming. It is lovely.
>
> Scotts Bluff, NE
> Rock Springs, WY
> Ft. Bridger, WY
> Provo, UT
>
> I can't count how many times I have crossed using that route. There are
> some good routes up through Montana too.
>
> And the real threat is not the Rockies, it is the Sierra Nevada.
>
> I taught my son Cameron mountain flying in our Piper Clipper (now there is
> an airplane with *NO* high-density-altitude performance). He got the
> message the first time we took off from Truckee and his climb gradient was
> less than the inclination of the terrain. (There was no threat as there
> was lower terrain he could easily reach but he was fixated on flying the
> standard traffic pattern.) I could see his eyes getting bigger when I
> finally said, "those trees are sure getting bigger."
>
> He said, "Yeah!"
>
> I then asked if he thought he was going to clear them.
>
> He said, "No, I don't think we can get over them."
>
> I waited a couple seconds more and then asked the critical question, "So,
> what are you going to do?"
>
>
>
> I then asked, "So, where is there lower terrain?"
>
> He indicated off to the left.
>
> I then asked, "Don't you think we ought to go over there then?"
>
> He replied, "But that is the glider pattern. We aren't a glider."
>
> I responded with, "Yeah, but right now they have more performance than you
> do."
>
> Flying to lower terrain solved the problem. The experience was priceless.
>
> BTW, he and his little brother took the Clipper and flew around the US
> that summer, including a side jaunt to Oshkosh. Those of you who were at
> OSH in 2000 probably remember meeting them.
>
> So don't be afraid of the left side of the country. Your Yak-52 has a lot
> of performance. Mostly you need to give yourself lots of altitude and
> watch for areas of sink that will exceed your rate of climb. Oh, and no
> flying up box canyons.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
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