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1. 01:33 AM - Re: M14P for sale (Markus Feyerabend)
2. 04:20 AM - Re: FSN number (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
3. 08:05 AM - Re: M14P for sale (Richard Basiliere)
4. 08:13 AM - Re: M14P for sale (Ernest Martinez)
5. 08:16 AM - Re: home (Ernest Martinez)
6. 08:32 AM - stuff for sale (JandEFinley@comcast.net)
7. 08:51 AM - FAST (Ernest Martinez)
8. 09:20 AM - Re: FAST (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 09:22 AM - life-cycle costs of CJ6A and Yak-52 (Brian Lloyd)
10. 10:13 AM - Re: Rotors and mountain waves (Was: CROSS COUNTRY IN A (Roger Kemp)
11. 10:40 AM - Re: Rotors and mountain waves (Was: CROSS COUNTRY IN A (Brian Lloyd)
12. 10:49 AM - Re: FAST (Ernest Martinez)
13. 02:39 PM - Re: life-cycle costs of CJ6A and Yak-52 (Craig Payne)
14. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: life-cycle costs of CJ6A and Yak-52 (Brian Lloyd)
15. 03:10 PM - Re: FAST (A. Dennis Savarese)
16. 03:19 PM - RPM (Ernest Martinez)
17. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: life-cycle costs of CJ6A and Yak-52 (Ernest Martinez)
18. 03:38 PM - CJ Relief Tube Kit (ByronMFox@aol.com)
19. 05:18 PM - Re: CJ Relief Tube Kit (Jim and Vivian)
20. 05:38 PM - Re: CJ Relief Tube Kit (ggg6@att.net)
21. 07:02 PM - Re: CJ Relief Tube Kit (Roger Kemp)
22. 07:40 PM - Re: CJ Relief Tube Kit (Cliff Umscheid)
23. 08:19 PM - Re: M14P for sale (Scott Poehlmann)
24. 09:41 PM - Re: CJ Relief Tube Kit (KingCJ6@aol.com)
25. 09:53 PM - Re: CJ Relief Tube Kit (Brian Lloyd)
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| Subject: | Re: M14P for sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Markus Feyerabend <feyerabm@web.de>
"Also, what is my MTV-3-250 (German) overhauled by MT 2/03 - no ad's now. 330
TSOH worth to any one???
Ok-OK - I bought Don's MTV-9-260 wide cord...mea culpa
Thanks, Rick b"
Is that from the same Ric Basiliere, who less than a month ago said that its not
worth to change from the 2-blade paddle prop to (any) MTV 3-blade prop as theres
no noticable difference in performance and that he has no desire to "upgrade"?!?
;-)
Why did you by yurself a "new" prop then? Dont tell me that the "new" one just
looks better! ;-)
Sorry I couldnt resist ;-)
Markus
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You ask me.
I would be glad to look it up for you in FedLog.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Sapp [mailto:rvfltd@televar.com]
Subject: Yak-List: FSN number
Any of you folks out there know how to ID a part that has a federal stock
number stamped on it? I had assumed that there was a web site with a search
function, but have had no luck so far. Any advice would be appreciated.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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Subject: Yak-List: home
Went to the Stuart Airshow. Four of our RPA pilots did a fine job. Craig
Payne, Gray Pope, Fred Shadfly, and (forgive me) a stinger whose name I've
forgotten. There was a goodly bunch of T-6s and 6 T-28s there. An L-19,
L-17, O2 and a PT-26 made up the slow stuff. The USAF had a F-16, F-15,
T-6II, and A-10 demo teams there. Nice little show with Wayne Boggs as
airboss.
I co-piloted the B-17 "909" this trip with Collings Foundation. Its easier
to fly than the B-24J I usually fly. A crowd of about 10,000 at least. Of
course I and my fellow volunteers answered the same dumb questions a
buzilliam times. Everyone thinks "Bill Mitchell flew the B-24 over Tokyo"!
Or point to the B-24 and tell his kid that "it was the airplane that dropped
the A bomb on Tokyo". At times I wonder at the plain flat ass ignorance of
people when it comes to simple history. Than they have the audacity to
express an opinion on why we "charge so much" ($4.00) to walk though the
airplanes.
BUT I have similar problem trying to convince you turkeys out there (with
much higher IQs) that the CJ is not a copy of a YAK!
'God help me. I do love it so!'
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: M14P for sale |
Ok...I am so busted...
Reader's Digest version: Don brought M14PF with understanding it had
Russian flange because his MTV-9-260 wide cord was built with Russian
flange. M14PF has US flange, oops. Don needed prop to fly his SU-26
until new -9 arrives. We swap. He now has MTV-3 to use that fits PF
(after removal of adapter) and I have MTV-9...strictly to help out a
friend...yeah- right.
At 100% level flight 7000' msl (over top of DIA tower) full blower 280
indicated using MTV-3 - one hour later 280 with MTV-9 - so no cruise
difference. I flew the 2005 Known - starting 500' lower and finishing
250' higher than with -3 during the year- twice in a row. The variable
is temp - normally say 70F during the test...40F.
Maybe it was the placebo effect but it felt like I had more "tractor"
at 0-low airspeeds. Please remember this was at full blower pulling 8
and pushing 5 and 100-101% on prop.
Mea culpa.
So...let my butt whippin' begin.
Rick b
>>> feyerabm@web.de 11/15/2005 2:30:06 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Markus Feyerabend <feyerabm@web.de>
"Also, what is my MTV-3-250 (German) overhauled by MT 2/03 - no ad's
now. 330 TSOH worth to any one???
Ok-OK - I bought Don's MTV-9-260 wide cord...mea culpa
Thanks, Rick b"
Is that from the same Ric Basiliere, who less than a month ago said
that its not worth to change from the 2-blade paddle prop to (any) MTV
3-blade prop as theres no noticable difference in performance and that
he has no desire to "upgrade"?!? ;-)
Why did you by yurself a "new" prop then? Dont tell me that the "new"
one just looks better! ;-)
Sorry I couldnt resist ;-)
Markus
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| Subject: | Re: M14P for sale |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Whats the weight on the air compressors?
Ernie
On 11/14/05, Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us> wrote:
>
> I just helped a friend pull a 360 horse M14P off his Sukhoi 26mx. He
> upgraded to the M14PF is the reason for pulling it.
>
> It has 750 hours TTSN, Savage ignition harness, fresh annual conditional
> inspection, compressions 72-78/80. It has been A+P owned and operated for
> the last 5 years. It's in "good condition" according to Don.
>
> $11,000. contact me off list, please.
>
> Don has also made a couple of 1500 psi compressors that operate on 28vdc.
> He uses them to charge either his Sukhoi or his scuba bottles. $500 each
> They are small enough (almost) to fit in an Igloo cooler.
>
> Also, what is my MTV-3-250 (German) overhauled by MT 2/03 - no ad's now.
> 330 TSOH worth to any one???
>
> Ok-OK - I bought Don's MTV-9-260 wide cord...mea culpa
>
> Thanks, Rick b
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Do not archive
Ahhhh you guys are just great.
On another note........Thanks for the invite to Stuart Pappy!!!!!
Ernie
On 11/14/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> Do not archive..
>
> And Pappy wrote:
>
> BUT I have similar problem trying to convince you turkeys out there (with
> much higher IQs) that the CJ is not a copy of a YAK!
>
> 'God help me. I do love it so!'
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
> OOOOHHHHH NNNOOOOO YYYYOOOOOOUUUU DDIIIITTTT'''int!!!!!
> So which came first? The EGG (YAK 18A ) or the Chicken (the CJ)??? Or is
> that the Horse and the Cart???
>
> Doc
> How's that Ernie? For keeping BS off the list that is?
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Hi Guys, I have some residue from a hangar clean out. First NO interior damage
from the hurricane, although there were many less fortunate here in Naples. I
have a set (18) of new Russian spark plugs for the M-14p and a gyro horizon out
of my IAR823. I have an ad on barnstormers for the ADI, but received nothing
but scams ( I have a creditor that will send you a greater amount than asked
and you can send me the difference) One guy sent three thousand dollars in counterfeit
AMEX travelers checks! I'll sell the plugs for what I paid for them
as a set ( 18X$17.00= $306.00) and the gyro horizon, made in Czechoslovakia, working
flawlessly when removed, $500.00...Please contact me directly off list
for specs and pix.....John Finley
Hi Guys, I have some residue from a hangar clean out. First NO interior damage
from the hurricane, although there were many less fortunate here in Naples. I
have a set (18) of new Russian spark plugs for the M-14p and a gyro horizon out
of my IAR823. I have an ad on barnstormers for the ADI, butreceived nothing
but scams ( I have a creditor that will send you a greater amountthan asked and
you can send me the difference) One guy sent three thousanddollars in counterfeit
AMEX travelers checks!I'll sell the plugs for what I paid for them as a
set ( 18X$17.00= $306.00) and the gyro horizon, made in Czechoslovakia, working
flawlessly when removed, $500.00...Please contact me directly off list for specs
and pix.....John Finley
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
do not archive
Does someone have the entire FAST training manual in one document. The
RPA site has it as several files, would be easier if it was one.
To you Yak-52 drivers out there, what power settings do you use when
flying with CJ's? Can someone give me equivalents to CJ RPM and mm/hg.
Pappy, theres an FNG here with a 52, let me know when you want to come
down and play some.
Thanks
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Ernie,
Several of the guys we fly with here in AL have CJ's and we try to use
airspeeds instead of power settings (like say 120 or 125 knots) which is
comfortable for all and leaves enough smash available for #4. Seems to work
pretty well.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: FAST
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> do not archive
>
> Does someone have the entire FAST training manual in one document. The
> RPA site has it as several files, would be easier if it was one.
>
> To you Yak-52 drivers out there, what power settings do you use when
> flying with CJ's? Can someone give me equivalents to CJ RPM and mm/hg.
>
> Pappy, theres an FNG here with a 52, let me know when you want to come
> down and play some.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ernie
>
>
>
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| Subject: | life-cycle costs of CJ6A and Yak-52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Does anyone have a detailed analysis of the life-cycle cost of operating a
CJ6A and a Yak-52? I am looking for something based on acquisition, operating
costs, consumables, reserves, spares, etc.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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52)
| Subject: | Re: Rotors and mountain waves (Was: CROSS COUNTRY IN A |
52)
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Yep, you can go upstairs like a bat-out-of hell or downstairs the same way. More
than one glider driver has been rudely introduced to terra firma that way. As
an ex-glider driver, we looked for lenticulars and tried to approach from the
west or the side opposite the forming clouds. The wind does blow from the East
also out West. Saw FL 120 in a heartbeat one day and decided to exit west asap
since I did not have O2 on board flying of all aircraft, Hugh Down's Grob.
It was a lot of fun, but I like the YAK even more. Every now and then when I
feel the bump of a good thermal on the wing tip along with seeing the VVI jump
up, I will wrap it up in a 65-70 deg. bank just to play in the thermal. The
YAK will climb in a thermal, believe it! If you ever have trouble climbing in
a spam can on a warm day and you hit a thermal, try banking to stay in the lift.
You will improve your climb rate significantly. Probably would go take a few
glider lessons too though if you have no experience in that sort of thing. An
absolutely great view without the shake, rattle, and roll of the YAK, just the
sound of wind. For the fledgling fighter pilot ACM wanna do's, flying a glider
teaches the ultimate in energy management.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Rotors and mountain waves (Was: CROSS COUNTRY IN A 52)
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/13/2005 7:23:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> brian-yak@lloyd.com writes:
>
> Gentleman,
>
> Do not underestimate the power of these sinks, rotors etc. A rotor was
> the instigating cause of a UAL 737 crash in Colorado Springs some years ago.
Amen.
About 20 years ago I was flying my Comanche eastbound across the Rockies. It
was a clear day and I had a bodacious tailwind. (This is a hint.) I was at
13,000' (IFR just because) just crossing the ridge west of Great Falls,
Montana, when I penetrated the rotor. (Clear air, no cap cloud, no lenticular,
no rotor cloud.) I lost 2,500' in 15 seconds. (That works out to 10,000' FPM
-- my VSI was pinned at 6000FPM down.). I estimate I pulled over 1G negative
as everything that wasn't tied down, including my then 2-year-old son, hit the
ceiling hard!. ATC thought that my transponder had malfunctioned as my
altitude changed so rapidly.
It puts the fear of God into you.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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52)
| Subject: | Re: Rotors and mountain waves (Was: CROSS COUNTRY IN A |
52)
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Roger Kemp wrote:
> believe it! If you ever have trouble climbing in a spam can on a warm day
> and you hit a thermal, try banking to stay in the lift. You will improve
> your climb rate significantly. Probably would go take a few glider lessons
> too though if you have no experience!
That is indeed what I taught my son Cameron to do in the Clipper. Above 8000'
it could barely get out of its own way. After his experience with limited
climb ability in the pattern at Truckee I asked him to watch the gliders for a
bit. After that we took off, located a thermal, and I showed him how to stay
inside the thermal to gain altitude. He was amazed at how his anemic 300 fpm
climb rate became 1500 fpm. We climbed to 12,500' and easily cleared the ridge
tops on our way back to the Sacramento area. He used the technique to get the
Clipper up to 13,500' at one point in his trip around the US to take advantage
of some winds aloft and managed to get a 50kt push for his effort. (A 50kt
push to a 95kt airplane is significant.)
No reason not to use glider techniques to make your powered flying more fun
and economical.
And I agree with you 100%: there is nothing like learning to fly a glider to
understand both aerodynamics and energy management. It improves all aspects of
your flying.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Right, and thats fine, but what do you use for an element takeoff, CJ vs Yak?
Ernie
On 11/15/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Ernie,
> Several of the guys we fly with here in AL have CJ's and we try to use
> airspeeds instead of power settings (like say 120 or 125 knots) which is
> comfortable for all and leaves enough smash available for #4. Seems to work
> pretty well.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:50 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: FAST
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > Does someone have the entire FAST training manual in one document. The
> > RPA site has it as several files, would be easier if it was one.
> >
> > To you Yak-52 drivers out there, what power settings do you use when
> > flying with CJ's? Can someone give me equivalents to CJ RPM and mm/hg.
> >
> > Pappy, theres an FNG here with a 52, let me know when you want to come
> > down and play some.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: life-cycle costs of CJ6A and Yak-52 |
I don't want to know! Might force me to an RV-8. I do save receipts but rarely
look at them. If only I could leave the sucker the way I got it; then I might
track what it costs. It would cost a thrifty scrounger at least $20K to duplicate
the M-14P conversion and then there are the panels, the parachutes, upgrades
here and there.... STOP, I said I didn't what to KNOW!
On a broader perspective, liability and hull insurance are in line with any other
light retract single, annuals may even be cheaper since you don't really want
to go to your friendly FBO where a well-meaning A&P may miss some stuff obvious
to operators experienced in these aircraft.
Operating expenses are also in line with a light single, with the exception of
buying oil all the time. Pulling back on those "money" levers helps a lot too.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: life-cycle costs of CJ6A and Yak-52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Craig Payne wrote:
> I don't want to know!
Well, that tells you something!
> rarely look at them. If only I could leave the sucker the way I got it;
> then I might track what it costs. It would cost a thrifty scrounger at
> least $20K to duplicate the M-14P conversion and then there are the
> panels, the parachutes, upgrades here and there.... STOP, I said I
> didn't what to KNOW!
Well, I wasn't asking whether it was worth it, only what the costs were if
someone had kept enough data to find out empirically.
> On a broader perspective, liability and hull insurance are in line with
> any other light retract single, annuals may even be cheaper since you
> don't really want to go to your friendly FBO where a well-meaning A&P
> may miss some stuff obvious to operators experienced in these aircraft.
>
> Operating expenses are also in line with a light single, with the
> exception of buying oil all the time. Pulling back on those "money"
> levers helps a lot too.
These things I know from operating my own CJ6A. Still, I am trying to get some
solid numbers.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Good point Ernie. If the Yak is leading, we typically go between 90% and
95% RPM and 80 mm. The other way (assuming a stock 285 Housai) we let the
CJ go to max RPM and Manifold pressure on the take-off roll.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAST
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Right, and thats fine, but what do you use for an element takeoff, CJ vs
> Yak?
>
> Ernie
>
> On 11/15/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>>
>> Ernie,
>> Several of the guys we fly with here in AL have CJ's and we try to use
>> airspeeds instead of power settings (like say 120 or 125 knots) which is
>> comfortable for all and leaves enough smash available for #4. Seems to
>> work
>> pretty well.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:50 AM
>> Subject: Yak-List: FAST
>>
>>
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > do not archive
>> >
>> > Does someone have the entire FAST training manual in one document. The
>> > RPA site has it as several files, would be easier if it was one.
>> >
>> > To you Yak-52 drivers out there, what power settings do you use when
>> > flying with CJ's? Can someone give me equivalents to CJ RPM and mm/hg.
>> >
>> > Pappy, theres an FNG here with a 52, let me know when you want to come
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I was doing a little formitating today when I realized I couldnt get
more than 2100 RPM. I think I tried a high throttle setting but I just
cant remember, I took the lead and we RTB'd.
On the ground prior to shutdown I ran the engine up, and everything
seemed normal.
Any immediate thoughts. I'll look at the plane tomorrow.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: life-cycle costs of CJ6A and Yak-52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Cost of aquisition these days is anywhere between $70-90k for a normal
CJ higer for tricked out models.
I flight plan 13.5 gal an hour for cruise, 16 gal hour for formation stuff.
Liability insurance is about $500 yr
Maintenance if you do most of your own work about $1000 yr.
Oil about $45 per change using Phillips 25W60 every 25 hours or 3 months.
Engine reserve, I havent a clue. I have a spare.
Ernie
On 11/15/05, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> Craig Payne wrote:
> > I don't want to know!
>
> Well, that tells you something!
>
> > rarely look at them. If only I could leave the sucker the way I got it;
> > then I might track what it costs. It would cost a thrifty scrounger at
> > least $20K to duplicate the M-14P conversion and then there are the
> > panels, the parachutes, upgrades here and there.... STOP, I said I
> > didn't what to KNOW!
>
> Well, I wasn't asking whether it was worth it, only what the costs were if
> someone had kept enough data to find out empirically.
>
> > On a broader perspective, liability and hull insurance are in line with
> > any other light retract single, annuals may even be cheaper since you
> > don't really want to go to your friendly FBO where a well-meaning A&P
> > may miss some stuff obvious to operators experienced in these aircraft.
> >
> > Operating expenses are also in line with a light single, with the
> > exception of buying oil all the time. Pulling back on those "money"
> > levers helps a lot too.
>
> These things I know from operating my own CJ6A. Still, I am trying to get some
> solid numbers.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ Relief Tube Kit |
You see, it's like this. While the CJ has three hours of fuel, I've got a
66-year-old, two-hour bladder -- shorter if I've had iced tea for lunch. And
no, I won't give up the iced tea.
So, I was browsing through www.Banaire.com (click "Pilot Supplies" in the
left column), when I noticed a Relief Tube Kit. Eureka! The question, however,
is where to install the venturi on the underside of my CJ. Way aft would
seem rather draggy, and, well, obvious, while somewhere amidships would atomize
the belly, requiring a hosing, no pun intended, post flight. So what have any
of you other old guys done?
One final thought. I fully intend to employ this device while overflying Dave
King's house. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Relief Tube Kit |
Byron
I just throw mine over the side, that works well for me.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: ByronMFox@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ Relief Tube Kit
You see, it's like this. While the CJ has three hours of fuel, I've got a
66-year-old, two-hour bladder -- shorter if I've had iced tea for lunch. And
no, I won't give up the iced tea.
So, I was browsing through www.Banaire.com (click "Pilot Supplies" in the left column), when I noticed a Relief Tube Kit. Eureka! The question, however, is where to install the venturi on the underside of my CJ. Way aft would seem rather draggy, and, well, obvious, while somewhere amidships would atomize the belly, requiring a hosing, no pun intended, post flight. So what have any of you other old guys done?
One final thought. I fully intend to employ this device while overflying Dave
King's house. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Relief Tube Kit |
DREAMER !!!! He He He
Gary
-------------- Original message from "Jim and Vivian" <jimscjs@mbay.net>: --------------
Byron
I just throw mine over the side, that works well for me.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: ByronMFox@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: CJ Relief Tube Kit
You see, it's like this. While the CJ has three hours of fuel, I've got a 66-year-old,
two-hour bladder -- shorter if I've had iced tea for lunch. And no,
I won't give up the iced tea.
So, I was browsing through www.Banaire.com (click "Pilot Supplies" in the left column), when I noticed a Relief Tube Kit. Eureka! The question, however, is where to install the venturi on the underside of my CJ. Way aft would seem rather draggy, and, well, obvious, while somewhere amidships would atomize the belly, requiring a hosing, no pun intended, post flight. So what have any of you other old guys done?
One final thought. I fully intend to employ this device while overflying Dave King's
house. ...Blitz
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I just throw mine over the side, that works well for me.
Jim
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Subject: Yak-List: CJ Relief Tube Kit
You see, it's like this. While the CJ has three hours of fuel, I've got a 66-year-old,
two-hour bladder -- shorter if I've had iced tea for lunch. And no, I
won't give up the iced tea.
So, I was browsing through www.Banaire.com (click "Pilot Supplies" in the left column), when I noticed a Relief Tube Kit. Eureka! The question, however, is where to install the venturi on the underside of my CJ. Way aft would seem rather draggy, and, well, obvious, while somewhere amidships would atomize the belly, requiring a hosing, no pun intended, post flight. So what have any of you other old guys done?
One final thought. I fully intend to employ this device while overflying Dave King's
house. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | CJ Relief Tube Kit |
do not archive
Blitz,
You of all people, a resident of the Socialist Republic of San Francisco, should
know that the tree hugging socialist EPA'its will smack you with all forms of
fines for pollution of the SRSF atmosphere and landscape! When they fully come
to understand the true chemical makeup of the Yellow Haze you chose to aerosolize
over the demented citizens of SRSF, it will not be good. When they figure
out that you, a resident of the liberal Socialist Republic of San Francisco
had willfully in full command of all your facilties including a fully overdeveloped
prostate and suffering from overflow incontience, did willfully with
malice pee on the citizens of SRSF, oh,man, you will get it. You will be splashed
with their full wrath. Why if they had a handgun, they would shoot you down!
They, however lucky for you, did vote away the right reciently to bare hand
held firearms.
Man when they find out that you ,a card carrying citizen of SRSF, did willfully
yellow haze the bay fog. The 9th district will hang you with your hooter hose
from the highest flag pole in the SRSF! Pee slowly my friend as you stream over
SRSF, not that you could any other way with that enlarged prostate. Now maybe
if you dribble slowly, it will take them longer to figure it out. That is
you are peeing on the citizens of SRSF with malice. Drip slowly, Blitz, least
you get in the same trouble EAL got in over eastern Kentucky in the 70's. "Accidentally
purging" over the eastern landscape. Seems they left a trail of frozen
purple turds and pee over a hundred mile swath of the Kentucky landscape.
Why some of those ignorant, sorry, innocent folks thought they had purple ice
in August! Now that gave new meaning to tinkle on a tin roof! It was more like
a solid "thunk" followed by tinkle!
Hum...an idea strikes...hey, try this...dilute your overflowing bodily fluid with
MMO (another use in the search for 101 ways to use MMO). Yeh, that's the ticket...
instead of yellow haze, you will have purple haze! Why heck, the good
dwellers of the liberal compound at Berkley will be in absolute glee! Aerosolized
Purple Haze from above! "Purple Haze...Purple Haze..." But remember, MMO is
considered to be carcinogenic in California. So don't throw caution or for that
matter, pee in the strong wind least you get something on you.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Yak-List: CJ Relief Tube Kit
You see, it's like this. While the CJ has three hours of fuel, I've got a 66-year-old,
two-hour bladder -- shorter if I've had iced tea for lunch. And no,
I won't give up the iced tea.
So, I was browsing through www.Banaire.com (click "Pilot Supplies" in the left column), when I noticed a Relief Tube Kit. Eureka! The question, however, is where to install the venturi on the underside of my CJ. Way aft would seem rather draggy, and, well, obvious, while somewhere amidships would atomize the belly, requiring a hosing, no pun intended, post flight. So what have any of you other old guys done?
One final thought. I fully intend to employ this device while overflying Dave King's
house. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Relief Tube Kit |
NOW, About this relief tube thing. Blitz, Are you the author of this
dillema? Did you know this device can be adapted for Jills as well as
Johns? And times are changin. Most of us are already apprised of a "VAL"
in our midst, So what has heretofore been LARGELY a male problem is now
variations in human plumbing designs. Man! ain't diversity grand ? In
any case, if we uns are to avoid joining the ranks of the "wet backs" let
us look to the good ole days of iron birds and men of steele who bore
holes in the sky in SB2Cs, TBMs and F4U Corsairs--all were equipped with
relief tubes which could, under no circumstances, be allowed to interfere
with the tail hook. There were a lot of things you could pee on in the
Navy, but no matter how scared you are, don't pee on your tail hook and
don't pee on your parachute because these things could literaly save your
arse. And you sure don't want to piss off the rigger who repacks the
chute. He likes to put his hands on DRY silk or nylon when he does his
repacking thing.
In any case, if you want to keep the belly of your CJ free of
acedic spray, buy a length of clear plastic 3/8th inch inner diameter
hose and a reel , and a small diameter funnel which you will fasten to
the end of the hose in such a manner as to allow the funnel to catch the
prop blast much like a drogue chute, and pull the hose toward the tail
of the aircraft to the extent that you have reeled out the tube.
Needless to say, be certain you have reeled out ALL the hose so that
there are no kinks or coils left unfurled to obstruct or imPEEd the
free flow of the discharging liquid . The importance of this last caveat
will become "distastefully" obvious to you when the blocked tube fills
with undischarged liquid and you open the canopy in flight. Hope this
helps those in need, and the glory of it all---No 337 form required.
Cliff
On Wed , 16 Nov 2005 01:37:57 +0000 ggg6@att.net writes:
DREAMER !!!! He He He
Gary
-------------- Original message from "Jim and Vivian" <jimscjs@mbay.net>:
--------------
Byron
I just throw mine over the side, that works well for me.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: ByronMFox@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: CJ Relief Tube Kit
You see, it's like this. While the CJ has three hours of fuel, I've got
a 66-year-old, two-hour bladder -- shorter if I've had iced tea for
lunch. And no, I won't give up the iced tea.
So, I was browsing through www.Banaire.com (click "Pilot Supplies" in the
left column), when I noticed a Relief Tube Kit. Eureka! The question,
however, is where to install the venturi on the underside of my CJ. Way
aft would seem rather draggy, and, well, obvious, while somewhere
amidships would atomize the belly, requiring a hosing, no pun intended,
post flight. So what have any of you other old guys done?
One final thought. I fully intend to employ this device while overflying
Dave King's house. ...Blitz
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Maybe it was the placebo effect but it felt like I had more "tractor" at
0-low airspeeds. Please remember this was at full blower pulling 8 and
pushing 5 and 100-101% on prop.
When we switched our Su 29 to the Wide Chord we had exactly the same
sensation. Nothing that we could measure but it sure felt like it was
pulling more. Gotta love that placebo effect!
Scott
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Basiliere
Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P for sale
Ok...I am so busted...
Reader's Digest version: Don brought M14PF with understanding it had
Russian flange because his MTV-9-260 wide cord was built with Russian
flange. M14PF has US flange, oops. Don needed prop to fly his SU-26 until
new -9 arrives. We swap. He now has MTV-3 to use that fits PF (after
removal of adapter) and I have MTV-9...strictly to help out a friend...yeah-
right.
At 100% level flight 7000' msl (over top of DIA tower) full blower 280
indicated using MTV-3 - one hour later 280 with MTV-9 - so no cruise
difference. I flew the 2005 Known - starting 500' lower and finishing 250'
higher than with -3 during the year- twice in a row. The variable is temp -
normally say 70F during the test...40F.
Maybe it was the placebo effect but it felt like I had more "tractor" at
0-low airspeeds. Please remember this was at full blower pulling 8 and
pushing 5 and 100-101% on prop.
Mea culpa.
So...let my butt whippin' begin.
Rick b
>>> feyerabm@web.de 11/15/2005 2:30:06 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Markus Feyerabend <feyerabm@web.de>
"Also, what is my MTV-3-250 (German) overhauled by MT 2/03 - no ad's now.
330 TSOH worth to any one???
Ok-OK - I bought Don's MTV-9-260 wide cord...mea culpa
Thanks, Rick b"
Is that from the same Ric Basiliere, who less than a month ago said that
it4s not worth to change from the 2-blade paddle prop to (any) MTV 3-blade
prop as there4s no noticable difference in performance and that he has no
desire to "upgrade"?!? ;-)
Why did you by yurself a "new" prop then? Don4t tell me that the "new" one
just looks better! ;-)
Sorry I couldn4t resist ;-)
Markus
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Relief Tube Kit |
While I appreciate the obvious complex-driven intent to "mark your
territory", an amidships tube placement may well also "atomize" Mary, your wonderful
wife, who in turn will then likely divorce you and re-title your CJ to me out
of spite. So, carry on my wayward son...
In a message dated 11/15/2005 3:39:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ByronMFox@aol.com writes:
So, I was browsing through www.Banaire.com (click "Pilot Supplies" in the
left column), when I noticed a Relief Tube Kit. Eureka! The question, however,
is where to install the venturi on the underside of my CJ. Way aft would
seem rather draggy, and, well, obvious, while somewhere amidships would atomize
the belly, requiring a hosing, no pun intended, post flight. So what have
any of you other old guys done?
One final thought. I fully intend to employ this device while overflying
Dave King's house. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Relief Tube Kit |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Cliff Umscheid wrote:
> bore holes in the sky in SB2Cs, TBMs and F4U Corsairs--all were
> equipped with relief tubes which could, under no circumstances, be
> allowed to interfere with the tail hook. There were a lot of things you
> could pee on in the Navy, but no matter how scared you are, don't pee
Evidently they did freeze up at times and have a tendency to, uh, "blow up in
your face," if I recall my father's words correctly. (I think it was the F9F
but it could have been the F8F too.)
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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