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1. 01:49 AM - Re: exhaust wanted (ron wasson)
2. 06:23 AM - Need Rivet Gun Set (Craig Payne)
3. 07:31 AM - Re: Need Rivet Gun Set (Brian Lloyd)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: exhaust wanted (Jim and Vivian)
5. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set (Craig Payne)
6. 09:44 AM - Re: exhaust wanted (Doug Sapp)
7. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set (Roger Doc Kemp)
8. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set (Richard Basiliere)
9. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set (Brian Lloyd)
10. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set (Walter Lannon)
11. 06:07 PM - Re: exhaust wanted (Gene Stansbery)
12. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set (Brian Lloyd)
13. 07:35 PM - EP of the Week (Jeff Linebaugh)
14. 08:32 PM - Re: Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set (JOE HOWSE)
15. 09:13 PM - RPA E-Coms Improved: New Events (Drew Blahnick)
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust wanted |
doug sapp
ron wasson
ronwasson@mindspring.com
On Dec 1, 2005, at 12:21 AM, Gene Stansbery wrote:
> Can anyone tell me where I can get a stainless steel exhaust for a
> CJ with standard 285 HP engine?
>
> Thanks,
> Gene Stansbery
> N2278
>
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| Subject: | Need Rivet Gun Set |
Anyone have a surplus 3X rivet gun, with regulator, .401 shank sets, straight and
offset, with bucking bars for sale? I'm looking on Ebay but I'll give the Yak-list
a shot. Prefer a serviceable set in a case.
Off list replys please.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Need Rivet Gun Set |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Craig Payne wrote:
> Anyone have a surplus 3X rivet gun, with regulator, .401 shank sets,
> straight and offset, with bucking bars for sale? I'm looking on Ebay but
> I'll give the Yak-list a shot. Prefer a serviceable set in a case.
I recommend you post to the rv-list. You will most likely get an
answer from someone there as some people sell their tools when they
finish and sell their RVs. As a member of yak-list you are allowed
to post to any of the Matronics lists.
> Off list replys please.
I thought the information about cross-posting might be of general
interest.
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Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust wanted |
I have one New
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Stansbery
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:21 PM
Subject: Yak-List: exhaust wanted
Can anyone tell me where I can get a stainless steel exhaust for a CJ with
standard 285 HP engine?
Thanks,
Gene Stansbery
N2278
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set |
Brian wrote:
>
>I recommend you post to the rv-list. You will most likely get an
>answer from someone there as some people sell their tools when they
>finish and sell their RVs. As a member of yak-list you are allowed
>to post to any of the Matronics lists.
>
Done, thanks. Kinda of thought about it before but I should have realized that
RV guys are mostly builders while a lot of Yak Lister's are checkbook mechanics.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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Gene,
I have them, $1700.00 compete.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gene Stansbery
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:21 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: exhaust wanted
Can anyone tell me where I can get a stainless steel exhaust for a CJ with
standard 285 HP engine?
Thanks,
Gene Stansbery
N2278
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set |
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set
I should have realized that RV guys are mostly builders while a lot of Yak Lister's
are checkbook mechanics.
Craig Payne
I resemble that remark! Just ask Dennis, I do get grease under my nails.....eventually!
I''m more of a Shadetree Mechanic. I lay in the Shade while you Mechanic!
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set |
That hurt...:-)
>>> cpayne@joimail.com 12/1/2005 10:06:15 AM >>>
Brian wrote:
>
>I recommend you post to the rv-list. You will most likely get an
>answer from someone there as some people sell their tools when they
>finish and sell their RVs. As a member of yak-list you are allowed
>to post to any of the Matronics lists.
>
Done, thanks. Kinda of thought about it before but I should have
realized that RV guys are mostly builders while a lot of Yak Lister's
are checkbook mechanics.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Craig Payne wrote:
> >I recommend you post to the rv-list.
> >
> Done, thanks. Kinda of thought about it before but I should have
> realized that RV guys are mostly builders while a lot of Yak Lister's
> are checkbook mechanics.
Well, there are some of us in the middle but, by and large, the RV
guys are builders and have the tools.
Pounding rivets is a good stress-reducer. I used to imagine the
rivet head as boss/wife/ex-wife head. ;-)
BTW, don't forget to anneal the rivets before you use them. It makes
driving them easier
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Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Craig Payne wrote:
>
>> >I recommend you post to the rv-list.
>> >
>> Done, thanks. Kinda of thought about it before but I should have realized
>> that RV guys are mostly builders while a lot of Yak Lister's are
>> checkbook mechanics.
>
> Well, there are some of us in the middle but, by and large, the RV guys
> are builders and have the tools.
>
> Pounding rivets is a good stress-reducer. I used to imagine the rivet head
> as boss/wife/ex-wife head. ;-)
>
> BTW, don't forget to anneal the rivets before you use them. It makes
> driving them easier
Brian;
I just can't pass this up. The only rivets you will use on the CJ are coded
AD (AN470ADx - y or AN426ADx-y where x - dia. and y = length in 1/6
increments). These are driven as received, if you attempt to anneal them you
will
&*$ them up.
The rivets you are refering to are coded DDand rarely used anymore. They are
a different alloy and were used usually in large diameters for heavier
structures. They require annealling with a tightly controlled process and
must be kept frozen until use (or at least refrigerated).
The only codes, and identifying marks you need to know are AD (center
dimple) and A (no mark). The A is pure aluminium and must never be used in
aircraft structure.
Cheers;
Walt
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust wanted |
Doug,
Does that include seals and clamps? What about the little donut seals that go
between the exhaust and the engine?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: exhaust wanted
Gene,
I have them, $1700.00 compete.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gene Stansbery
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:21 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: exhaust wanted
Can anyone tell me where I can get a stainless steel exhaust for a CJ with
standard 285 HP engine?
Thanks,
Gene Stansbery
N2278
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Walter Lannon wrote:
> Brian;
>
> I just can't pass this up. The only rivets you will use on the CJ are
> coded AD (AN470ADx - y or AN426ADx-y where x - dia. and y = length in
> 1/6 increments). These are driven as received, if you attempt to anneal
> them you will
&*$ them up.
> The rivets you are refering to are coded DDand rarely used anymore. They
> are a different alloy and were used usually in large diameters for
> heavier structures. They require annealling with a tightly controlled
> process and must be kept frozen until use (or at least refrigerated).
> The only codes, and identifying marks you need to know are AD (center
> dimple) and A (no mark). The A is pure aluminium and must never be used
> in aircraft structure.
Hmm, I recall we were using 2017-T rivets.
I recall the article in EAASA doing it in a home oven and that is what
we did. It worked and they were a lot easier to drive.
But I was doing this on an RV-4 and not on a CJ6A. I never really
considered the differences in alloy so it may be a problem when riveting
in doublers and the like.
YMMV
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Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Things have been a bit slow lately...so how 'bout this one to spice things
up?
Question of the Week #2
You enter the traffic pattern on a busy Saturday afternoon, and report
downwind to the tower. Tower responds, =93follow the Cessna ahead on downwind
you are #3=94. You put the gear handle down, get three green lights, and
three visual indicators. You check the main air pressure: it is at 32=85
=94hmm, wasn=92t it just at 40?=94
You follow the Cessna and eventually turn on to an extended base leg.
Intercepting a normal glidepath, you put the flap down, and start down.
=93oops=85.now the air is at 22!?=94 Time to fly the airplane; you are now on
final and Tower clears you to land. Back to the air pressure=85. it is now
down to 20. What are you going to do?
Some Points to Consider:
You DO always check air pressure on final, don't you???
What is a likely cause of the air leak?
What is the normal air pressure drop when you extend the gear? flap?
How long would it take to replenish your air supply if you could isolate the
leak?
How long would you trouble-shoot an air/gear malfunction? =85 i.e. what is
the minimum fuel you would want to land with?
Some Suggestions for the next time you fly:
As a review during your preflight, spend a few minutes tracing your gear
retract and extension lines and identify all the components of the gear
system.
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Need Rivet Gun Set |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE HOWSE <joeh@shaw.ca>
Walt
I just knew you would beat me to that one!
Joe
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| Subject: | RPA E-Coms Improved: New Events |
Folks,
In a further improvement of RPA services, the E-Coms (HTML based communication)
is now issued in both HTML and Text, based on your system softtware, you will
get one or the other. However, at the top of either version is a link to view
the full color communication in a seperate web browser that will auto-open
when clicked - if you see only the text version, click this link at the top of
the e-com for the full version. If you don't see any e-coms from the RPA and
you are a current member with the correct email on file (the one you log in to
the website with) then check your emails spam file.
We just issued an event bulletin on the Dec 1st, look for it in your inbox.
It has the first ever imbedded pre-event registration form, a quick link that
allows the event organizer to know who's coming. Even if you registered via the
website, please click the link and use this new simpified system. It's the
duty and obligation of all RPA members to pre-register 100% of the time if they
plan on heading to an event, it saves time and headaches for the organizers
- and you're never penalized for not showing up.
The By-Law vote is 175 for and 2 against, we need 66% of the active membership
to vote and we are about 11% short. All 175 voted using the new E-Vote system
accessed either via one of the 3 bylaw e-coms that went out or via the link
on the website. This system saved us many volunteer manhours - always respond
to RPA E-Coms calling for you to click a link to vote or register for an event
you're heading to...
Harry (BoD member, NE) has volunteered to manage the By-Law election phone call
campaign that will be used to secure the remainder of members votes.
As soon as this is done, we will hold the regional board elections as is required
by these By-Laws.
If you would like to run in your regional seat on the board, please email me,
Ira, Dee Grimm (VP) or anyone on the board. I have the original nominees, but
with the new regional system, the nomination window is open for a short period,
please let us know!
Thanks for listening,
Drew Blahnick
RPA President
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