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1. 04:12 AM - Pearl Harbor & Paint Jobs (Craig Payne)
2. 05:24 AM - Booster Coil (black seven)
3. 05:42 AM - Re: Pearl Harbor & Paint Jobs (Roger Doc Kemp)
4. 05:46 AM - Re: Booster Coil (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 06:21 AM - Chile Bowl in Kansas (Terry Calloway)
6. 07:14 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05 (Janet Davidson)
7. 08:23 AM - What are people asking for as a Christmas present for the plane ? (Fraser, Gus)
8. 10:31 AM - Good on you (ByronMFox@AOL.COM)
9. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05 (Roger Doc Kemp)
10. 10:47 AM - Re: Booster Coil (Walter Lannon)
11. 10:52 AM - Re: Mr. McCoy (John Brooks)
12. 11:04 AM - Re: Chile Bowl in Kansas (Roger Doc Kemp)
13. 12:07 PM - Re: Chile Bowl in Kansas (Jay Land)
14. 01:00 PM - RPA Fleece vests (ByronMFox@aol.com)
15. 01:25 PM - Re: Gas leak (Coffey, John)
16. 01:38 PM - Re: Gas leak (Richard Basiliere)
17. 01:43 PM - Re: Gear Schematics (MikSpin@aol.com)
18. 01:44 PM - Re: Mr. McCoy (cjpilot710@aol.com)
19. 02:04 PM - Re: hoses (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
20. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Gas leak (Doug Sapp)
21. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Gas leak (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
22. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: Gear Schematics (A. Dennis Savarese)
23. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05 (Brian Lloyd)
24. 02:29 PM - Re: Booster Coil (A. Dennis Savarese)
25. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05 (Genzlinger, Reade)
26. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05 (Fraser, Gus)
27. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Gas leak (Doug Sapp)
28. 02:53 PM - CJ6A transition trainging (Brian Lloyd)
29. 04:21 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05 (Ernest Martinez)
30. 07:46 PM - Dec 7 2005 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
31. 11:35 PM - Re: Re: Gas leak (Hans Oortman)
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| Subject: | Pearl Harbor & Paint Jobs |
Remember Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941. I suspect that someday 9/11 will be seen with
more relevance in the current generation as WW-II vets die off and memories
fade. Air shows are still a strong reminder to the public about WW-II. To that
end, I'm wondering if any Yakkers or 'Changers have their A/C in Japanese markings?
I remember a Yak some years ago in Zero attire. My own CJ looked rather
sinister in Luftwaffe markings but now it's a clean canvas awaiting paint.
Craig Payne
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I recently aquired a Yak 52 and have had a difficult starting it. After reviewing
manuals and opening the cowl, I discovered that the lead from the booster
coil to the left mag had burnt on the exhaust ring.....creating a short. The
booster coil is still energized when the start button is depressed, but I'm only
indicating approx. 200v going into the mag.
Has anyone had this problem or have any suggestions?
Thanks, Ben
Check 6!
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| Subject: | Pearl Harbor & Paint Jobs |
CW,
I have seen a TW in German colors without the "Swastika". Did not look to bad in
the FW-190 colors. I have seen a CJ in P-47 green and silver with yellow and
orange checker board nose. Personally, I chose a dark gray light gray scheme
with yellow. red trim, and preserved the Red Star.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
Subject: Yak-List: Pearl Harbor & Paint Jobs
Remember Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941. I suspect that someday 9/11 will be seen with
more relevance in the current generation as WW-II vets die off and memories
fade. Air shows are still a strong reminder to the public about WW-II. To that
end, I'm wondering if any Yakkers or 'Changers have their A/C in Japanese markings?
I remember a Yak some years ago in Zero attire. My own CJ looked rather
sinister in Luftwaffe markings but now it's a clean canvas awaiting paint.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil |
I've seen this several times. Replace the lead from the booster coil/shower of
sparks to the left mag. If that does not fix the problem, replace the shower
of sparks assembly. You won't enjoy doing that job!
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: black seven
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 7:23 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Booster Coil
I recently aquired a Yak 52 and have had a difficult starting it. After reviewing
manuals and opening the cowl, I discovered that the lead from the booster
coil to the left mag had burnt on the exhaust ring.....creating a short. The
booster coil is still energized when the start button is depressed, but I'm
only indicating approx. 200v going into the mag.
Has anyone had this problem or have any suggestions?
Thanks, Ben
Check 6!
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| Subject: | Chile Bowl in Kansas |
Everyone Welcome!
Weather permitting.
It's 9 degrees today in Columbus, NE up from -7 degrees overnight low, but enough
whimpering!
Details:
Place: Manhattan, KS (MHK)
Objective: Formation Flying - FUN - FUN - and some Formation Flying followed up
with more FUN!
Check Pilot: Bob "Kilo" Watts
Instructor Pilot: Terry "Pumper" Calloway
Lead Pilot: Keith "Flipper" Harbour
Will work with those needing training and flight time.
FBO: Kansas Air Center 1.800.550.1991 100LL $4.19/gal
small maintenance shop: Heartland Aviation 785.537.9200 self-serve 100LL $2.99/gal
Rwy 13-31 - 3801x100 asphalt R. tfc rwy 31
Rwy 3-21 - 7000x150 concrete R. tfc rwy 3
TWR - 118.5 GND 121.85 APP KC Center 127.35 CTAF 118.55
ASOS 119.075
Restricted area R3602 A/B immediate W. No ovrflt active artillery firing.
Block rooms - make your own reservation
Fairfield Inn $79.00 Double Queen Beds 785.539.2400
Have reserved 2-7 passenger vans 2/Hertz $49.99/day
This is quick and weather permitting - not responsible for all the bloody details,
but willing to help everyone have FUN!
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| Subject: | RE: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet Davidson" <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
"I make a point to land all the time with canopy open." So speaks Jim, the
Florida flyer ;) It was -5'F up here (EGV) yesterday.....I'm back into
flying in my snowmobile suit again...
I always fly final at 150kph, reducing to 115kph over the numbers, and
always fly the approach with a higher than 3' glide, so I feel I can reach
the runway in the event of an engine failure. I don't really notice a huge
difference in required power to keep that profile if the canopy is on the
first latch, but if the rear canopy is fully open, I prefer to keep a bit
more power incase of having to execute a go around.
Janet
Time: 05:26:14 AM PST US
From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Question of the Week: Loss of air pressure on
final
In the YAK with the rear canopy open it is draggy. Have had mine pop
open more
than once because I had the front open in flight and exceeded ~300 kph.
The rear
popped open and I definately noticed a need to carry more power on
final. jFront
canopy does not creat near the drag that an open rear does.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Question of the Week: Loss of air pressure on
final
No drag problems at all. I make a point to land all the time with
canopy open.
There are numerous places that one can loose air in these system. I've
lost air
(and still do to a lesser extent) though the flap actuator. (The seals
are
not perfect I guess). Making sure the flap handle is in neutral "seals"
the leak.
I seem to remember in the books somewhere that the minimum pressure to
operate
the gear is 25 atom and to have break pressure a minimum of 10 atoms is
required.
Pappy
______
Ph: 920 232 9238
email: gbvfx@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | What are people asking for as a Christmas present for the plane |
?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Do not archive
Well you gotta have a set of these in the hanger for when the FAA rep comes
around to "help" you.
http://www.marksandspencer.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Sectio
n_Id=8349&Product_Id=1900505
The price is in pounds as they are only available in the UK (new product
line for Mark J) If the link gets chopped by the matronics mail client it is
USB, computer driven air darts. Takes hanger wars to the next level.
On that note my wife has asked me what I want for Christmas, any good wish
list items from you guys ? All ideas welcome as she doesn't say that too
much :)))
Gus
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Daily through the RPA Online Store, I've noticed that many one you have
renewed your RPA membership for 2006. Very, very organized you are! Good on you!
While you're at it, go ahead and get yourself something for Christmas. I know
you love your RPA hat, but, if it's like my brother Steve's, it's looking a
little greasy. Not the thing for a Red Star guy. Also, I bet your patches don't
look as crisp as they should either, not to mention the condition of your
T-shirts. Yea, treat yourself!
Thanks, Blitz
Byron M. Fox
The RPA Store
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-380-0907 Eves
414-307-2405 Days
http://www.flyredstar.org/StoreCSVS/default.aspx
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| Subject: | RE: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
So early in the year and you are already forming ice cicles on your
proverbial parts. Need to fly south for the winter!
Heard that Craig had to pull out his jacket the other night in central
Florida. For you, it would be shorts and a T shirt. By this time of year,
your bloods a little thicker that Craig's anyway for many reasons!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Janet Davidson <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/7/2005 9:13:08 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: RE: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Janet Davidson" <gbvfx@hotmail.com>
>
> "I make a point to land all the time with canopy open." So speaks Jim,
the
> Florida flyer ;) It was -5'F up here (EGV) yesterday.....I'm back into
> flying in my snowmobile suit again...
>
> I always fly final at 150kph, reducing to 115kph over the numbers, and
> always fly the approach with a higher than 3' glide, so I feel I can
reach
> the runway in the event of an engine failure. I don't really notice a
huge
> difference in required power to keep that profile if the canopy is on the
> first latch, but if the rear canopy is fully open, I prefer to keep a bit
> more power incase of having to execute a go around.
>
> Janet
>
> Time: 05:26:14 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Question of the Week: Loss of air pressure on
> final
>
> In the YAK with the rear canopy open it is draggy. Have had mine pop
> open more
> than once because I had the front open in flight and exceeded ~300 kph.
> The rear
> popped open and I definately noticed a need to carry more power on
> final. jFront
> canopy does not creat near the drag that an open rear does.
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Question of the Week: Loss of air pressure on
> final
>
>
> No drag problems at all. I make a point to land all the time with
> canopy open.
>
>
> There are numerous places that one can loose air in these system. I've
> lost air
> (and still do to a lesser extent) though the flap actuator. (The seals
> are
> not perfect I guess). Making sure the flap handle is in neutral "seals"
> the leak.
>
>
> I seem to remember in the books somewhere that the minimum pressure to
> operate
> the gear is 25 atom and to have break pressure a minimum of 10 atoms is
> required.
>
>
> Pappy
> ______
>
>
> Ph: 920 232 9238
> email: gbvfx@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil |
Ben;
Assuming you have replaced the burnt high tension lead and conduit the next step
is to check the boost coil contact points for condition. Clean and refurbish
the points and, if necessary, adjust the point gap. If that fails replace the
boost coil.
BTW you describe the unit correctly. It is a simple boost coil system. It is NOT
a shower of sparks system.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: black seven
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:23 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Booster Coil
I recently aquired a Yak 52 and have had a difficult starting it. After reviewing
manuals and opening the cowl, I discovered that the lead from the booster
coil to the left mag had burnt on the exhaust ring.....creating a short. The
booster coil is still energized when the start button is depressed, but I'm
only indicating approx. 200v going into the mag.
Has anyone had this problem or have any suggestions?
Thanks, Ben
Check 6!
Let fate take it's course directly to your email.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "John Brooks" <orcaspilot@hotmail.com>
Thanks...He gave me my initial CJ training and was a great guy to me for the
week I was back in Chilicothe...Glad to hear it was just a career change and
not something more dire! Thanks alot for the response! Jack Coe
>From: "Steve & Donna Hanshew" <dhanshew@cinci.rr.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: Yak-List: Mr. McCoy
>Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:46:29 -0500
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve & Donna Hanshew"
><dhanshew@cinci.rr.com>
>
> We live close by but haven't seen him in about 2 years. Last we heard,
he
>is in construction and the real estate business.
> Don't think he flies anymore, but still has some CJ6's for sale at Ross
>County airport here in Ohio.
> He still lives in the same place, I think, and is still at the same phone
>number if you are trying to get a hold of him
>
> Donna Hanshew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Brooks
>Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 1:08 PM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: Mr. McCoy
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "John Brooks" <orcaspilot@hotmail.com>
>
>Its been a while since I've seen any postings from Mike....Anyone know what
>happened to him?
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | Chile Bowl in Kansas |
Pumper,
That ain't Chilly! Dat's flat ass FREEZING! Sorry, can't play. Have to be in Del
Rio by the sea for a graduation!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Calloway
Subject: Yak-List: Chile Bowl in Kansas
Everyone Welcome!
Weather permitting.
It's 9 degrees today in Columbus, NE up from -7 degrees overnight low, but enough
whimpering!
Details:
Place: Manhattan, KS (MHK)
Objective: Formation Flying - FUN - FUN - and some Formation Flying followed up
with more FUN!
Check Pilot: Bob "Kilo" Watts
Instructor Pilot: Terry "Pumper" Calloway
Lead Pilot: Keith "Flipper" Harbour
Will work with those needing training and flight time.
FBO: Kansas Air Center 1.800.550.1991 100LL = $4.19/gal
small maintenance shop: Heartland Aviation 785.537.9200 self-serve 100LL = $2.99/gal
Rwy 13-31 - 3801x100 asphalt R. tfc rwy 31
Rwy 3-21 - 7000x150 concrete R. tfc rwy 3
TWR - 118.5 GND 121.85 APP KC Center 127.35 CTAF 118.55
ASOS 119.075
Restricted area R3602 A/B immediate W. No ovrflt active artillery firing.
Block rooms - make your own reservation
Fairfield Inn $79.00 Double Queen Beds 785.539.2400
Have reserved 2-7 passenger vans 2/Hertz $49.99/day
This is quick and weather permitting - not responsible for all the bloody details,
but willing to help everyone have FUN!
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| Subject: | Re: Chile Bowl in Kansas |
Sounds fun but I am scheduled to have my skis on next weekend in CO. Won=B9t
seem as cold!
It was good to see you and Jim down at ICAS
J
From: Terry Calloway <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Chile Bowl in Kansas
Everyone Welcome!
Weather permitting.
It's 9 degrees today in Columbus, NE up from -7 degrees overnight low, but
enough whimpering!
Details:
Place: Manhattan, KS (MHK)
Objective: Formation Flying - FUN - FUN - and some Formation Flying
followed up with more FUN!
Check Pilot: Bob "Kilo" Watts
Instructor Pilot: Terry "Pumper" Calloway
Lead Pilot: Keith "Flipper" Harbour
Will work with those needing training and flight time.
FBO: Kansas Air Center 1.800.550.1991 100LL $4.19/gal
small maintenance shop: Heartland Aviation 785.537.9200 self-serve 100LL
$2.99/gal
Rwy 13-31 - 3801x100 asphalt R. tfc rwy 31
Rwy 3-21 - 7000x150 concrete R. tfc rwy 3
TWR - 118.5 GND 121.85 APP KC Center 127.35 CTAF 118.55
ASOS 119.075
Restricted area R3602 A/B immediate W. No ovrflt active artillery firing.
Block rooms - make your own reservation
Fairfield Inn $79.00 Double Queen Beds 785.539.2400
Have reserved 2-7 passenger vans 2/Hertz $49.99/day
This is quick and weather permitting - not responsible for all the bloody
details, but willing to help everyone have FUN!
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| Subject: | RPA Fleece vests |
In a message dated 12/7/05 12:38:37 PM, rvfltd@televar.com writes:
>
> Blitz,
>
> What ever became of the vests......it's cold up here in the frozen north.
>
> Best Christmas wishes from the Sapp house.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
Delighted that you asked, Doug. I'm awaiting a sample vest from our supplier.
As you can imagine, the price points for fleece has a broad range. While I'm
confident that no one wants a $90 vest, a $20 one would be junk. So, I'm in
search of something in the middle of the road. I'm sure that I can have one to
you well before the crocuses pop through the snow in your front yard.
Thanks & Merry Christmas, Blitz
Byron M Fox
The RPA Store
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405 Cell Days
415-380-0907 Home Eves
http://www.flyredstar.org/StoreCSVS/default.aspx
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Any of you Yak Wizards know of a good way to fix a Yak-55 fuel tank
leak?
-----Original Message-----
From: Carver, Michael A [mailto:michael.a.carver@intel.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:58 AM
To: Coffey, John
Subject: Gas leak
=09
=09
Hi John,
Have you have ever had a gas tank leak on your Yak?
It looks like my plane is developing a gas leak along the seam
on the bottom of both wings.
It would be good to know of an efficient economical way to fix
it.
If you have had this problem or know someone who has, would you
refer me to them?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
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I had a leak in my -52, when I had it. Buddy of mine practiced by
cutting Pepsi cans in half and then welding them. He welded the darned
thing - never leaked again. Wildest thing I ever saw. I pulled it out
of the wing - pretty easy as I remember.
Rick b
>>> john.coffey@cingular.com 12/7/2005 2:23:59 PM >>>
Any of you Yak Wizards know of a good way to fix a Yak-55 fuel tank
leak?
-----Original Message-----
From: Carver, Michael A [mailto:michael.a.carver@intel.com]
Subject: Gas leak
Hi John,Have you have ever had a gas tank leak on your Yak? It looks
like my plane is developing a gas leak along the seam on the bottom of
both wings. It would be good to know of an efficient economical way to
fix it.If you have had this problem or know someone who has, would you
refer me to them? Thanks in advance,Mike
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| Subject: | RE: Gear Schematics |
Sorry all,
I need schematics for the Yak 52.
Thanks!
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I'm afraid that it was a little more serious than just a career change. I
understand that unfortunately he caught Lime dieses and for the time being has
lost his physical. It has cause him some very significant changes in his
life. Let's wish him luck.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Hey Rick,
The cockpit starting system between a YAK-50/52 and a Sukhoi is in fact very
different... not sure about the 29, but I am darn sure about the 26 and 31.
Both of them use a lever that is in fact the pneumatic valve itself! As
you push on this thing... it is actually a hinged LEVER, it mechanically
opens an air portal and air goes right to the engine. There are air lines
connected to the started lever itself! As you push the lever down it also
actuates a microswitch which turns on the shower of sparks.
On the YAKS (never touched a YAK-55 by the way) you have an electrical
starter BUTTON in the cockpit. When you push this button, it completes an
electrical circuit. This circuit provides power to two things. 1. The
Shower of Sparks system 2. A remote controlled solenoid air valve.
This remote controlled solenoid air valve then sends the air to the engine
starter distributor. The electrically controlled valve is what is totally
missing on the Suke 26 and 31 (again, not sure about the 29 or the YAK-55).
Both starter valve types can be rebuilt... agreed.... but take totally
different parts to do so.
Neither of us is stupid. In fact, I have not talked to anyone stupid on
this list server yet. Some try to come across that way on purpose, but are
actually very poor actors. :-)
I STILL am not sure how the YAK-55 system works... is it the same as the
52/50, or is it like the Suke 26/31 ?? Andres's description makes it sound
like a 26/31 system.
r/s
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Basiliere [mailto:BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: hoses
Sirs;
I've been inside the starter unit to replace rubber "O" rings. It appears
to me similar - in physics - to my -29. Pushing the round starter button
(Yak 55 "longwing") opens the valve to send air to the engine. At the same
time pushing that same button allows for an electrical connection to close,
sending those cute little electron thingys to the shower of sparks. Hence,
if you keep pushing on the button the engine will run without having the
mags on and the air gets depleted.
If I appear stupid...my Masters work really was in Genetics.
Respectfully, Rick b
>>> BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil 12/5/2005 3:09:37 PM >>>
Hello Andres,
I just got back from a Thanksgiving trip and am getting ready to leave on a
Christmas trip, so I am sorry for not writing back sooner and sorry too that
I will not be around very long to help you.
I am not up to speed on the 55m and am not sure what type of starter system
is used. It SOUNDS like you have the same starter arrangement as is used on
a Sukhoi... is it like a LEVER that you PUSH to allow air into the starter
system, or is it some kind of electrical switch that you push in the cockpit
that actuates a REMOTE air valve?
Please describe in as much detail as you can how your system works... by
that I mean, a description of the parts.
Most YAKS use a starter push button... electrical ..... It sends voltage
to turn on the shower of sparks AND sends power over to a remote air valve
(electrically controlled) that then puts high pressure air up to the starter
distributor on the engine itself.
The Sukhoi's on the other hand, use a lever... and that lever is actually
part of the mechanical valve itself that allows air to go to the starter.
On that same lever is an electrical microswitch that puts power to the
shower of sparks.
Can you tell me what you have?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Dr Andre Katz [ mailto:bu131@swbell.net <mailto:bu131@swbell.net> ]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: hoses
--> Yak-List message posted by: Dr Andre Katz <bu131@swbell.net>
hello mark: I have written to you in the past, I have
a yak 55m the main starter valve is shut, the seals
are all gone inside and the small ruber gasket has
disintegrated and sent pieces to the air manifold
luckily we retrieve them all but I am in need of a
starter valve, I have not been able to locate one here
in usa, would like to get another as spare, the parts
look rather flimsy, if not available is there an
alternative I heard swage lok makes a ball valve that
may replace that fitting, it is the electromechanic
part that sets the shower of sparks at the same time
that pressurizes the engine with compressedair
thanks andres
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MessageJohn,
I have never seen a 55 fuel tank, but I have a load of experience with other
tanks including wet wings, riveted, welded and "rubber two part epoxy"
sealed tanks. Can you send me a photo of the tank and its construction. If
it can be removed and shipped and IF it is of riveted or welded construction
I think I can repair it. If the leak is small you might first try sloshing
the tank with sloshing sealer. If you do this make sure you do your
homework as some old style sloshing sealers continue to move and have been
known to eventually plug the fittings. Also some sloshing sealers do not
like auto fuel. It's been a long time since I messed with sloshing sealers
so I cannot tell you which one to use. The tank must be removed in order to
slosh it. I am answering this "on the list" in hopes someone else has had
some experience with sloshing sealers.
Good luck.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Coffey, John
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 1:24 PM
To: Carver, Michael A; yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Gas leak
Any of you Yak Wizards know of a good way to fix a Yak-55 fuel tank leak?
-----Original Message-----
From: Carver, Michael A [mailto:michael.a.carver@intel.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:58 AM
To: Coffey, John
Subject: Gas leak
Hi John,
Have you have ever had a gas tank leak on your Yak?
It looks like my plane is developing a gas leak along the seam on the
bottom of both wings.
It would be good to know of an efficient economical way to fix it.
If you have had this problem or know someone who has, would you refer me
to them?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
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I know NOTHING about YAK-55's. However, .... on my YAK-50, the very best
stuff in the world to fix leaks is Milspec 8802 tank sealant.
Clean off paint.... down to bare metal. Mix up 8802. Apply and let sit for
about 36 hours. Go fly....
Did that on mine and it is now 5 years later.. no leaks.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Coffey, John [mailto:john.coffey@cingular.com]
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Gas leak
Any of you Yak Wizards know of a good way to fix a Yak-55 fuel tank leak?
-----Original Message-----
From: Carver, Michael A [mailto:michael.a.carver@intel.com]
Subject: Gas leak
Hi John,
Have you have ever had a gas tank leak on your Yak?
It looks like my plane is developing a gas leak along the seam on the bottom
of both wings.
It would be good to know of an efficient economical way to fix it.
If you have had this problem or know someone who has, would you refer me to
them?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Gear Schematics |
See attached.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: MikSpin@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Gear Schematics
Sorry all,
I need schematics for the Yak 52.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Janet Davidson wrote:
> I always fly final at 150kph, reducing to 115kph over the numbers, and
> always fly the approach with a higher than 3' glide, so I feel I can
> reach the runway in the event of an engine failure. I don't really
> notice a huge difference in required power to keep that profile if the
> canopy is on the first latch, but if the rear canopy is fully open, I
> prefer to keep a bit more power incase of having to execute a go around.
One of the things I demonstrate to students is that the CJ6A will not be
able to make the runway from the point on downwind abeam the touchdown
point if the gear and flaps are down. I do require students to
successfully execute a power-off no-flaps landing from that point.
BTW, this is for a Huosai-powered CJ6A. I doubt an M14-powered CJ with
three-bladed prop could make the runway from downwind if there was an
engine failure and you couldn't get the prop stopped.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil |
You're right again Walt. Me bad.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil
Ben;
Assuming you have replaced the burnt high tension lead and conduit the next step
is to check the boost coil contact points for condition. Clean and refurbish
the points and, if necessary, adjust the point gap. If that fails replace the
boost coil.
BTW you describe the unit correctly. It is a simple boost coil system. It is
NOT a shower of sparks system.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: black seven
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:23 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Booster Coil
I recently aquired a Yak 52 and have had a difficult starting it. After reviewing
manuals and opening the cowl, I discovered that the lead from the booster
coil to the left mag had burnt on the exhaust ring.....creating a short.
The booster coil is still energized when the start button is depressed, but I'm
only indicating approx. 200v going into the mag.
Has anyone had this problem or have any suggestions?
Thanks, Ben
Check 6!
Let fate take it's course directly to your email.
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| Subject: | RE: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
Brian is correct - when you fly with the Russian's they do "PFL" or practice
forced landing drills.
Also, at the other end of the spectrum, it is amazing how fast the 52 will
fall out of the sky with flaps, idle, and a wicked slip.
I agree with Janet and do very high and tight patterns. Makes me feel real
uncomfortable when doing a "normal" approach!!
Reade
> One of the things I demonstrate to students is that the CJ6A
> will not be able to make the runway from the point on
> downwind abeam the touchdown point if the gear and flaps are
> down.
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| Subject: | RE: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Reade,
You had the same teacher as I did, it does seem strange at first to be at
pattern altitude when the numbers go under the nose :))
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Genzlinger, Reade
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade"
--> <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
Brian is correct - when you fly with the Russian's they do "PFL" or practice
forced landing drills.
Also, at the other end of the spectrum, it is amazing how fast the 52 will
fall out of the sky with flaps, idle, and a wicked slip.
I agree with Janet and do very high and tight patterns. Makes me feel real
uncomfortable when doing a "normal" approach!!
Reade
> One of the things I demonstrate to students is that the CJ6A will not
> be able to make the runway from the point on downwind abeam the
> touchdown point if the gear and flaps are down.
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MessageMark,
Your putting the 8802 the OUTSIDE of the tank?? We use it on riveted seams,
but have never tried applying it to the outside to stop a leak.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bitterlich GS11
Mark G
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:13 PM
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Gas leak
I know NOTHING about YAK-55's. However, .... on my YAK-50, the very best
stuff in the world to fix leaks is Milspec 8802 tank sealant.
Clean off paint.... down to bare metal. Mix up 8802. Apply and let sit
for about 36 hours. Go fly....
Did that on mine and it is now 5 years later.. no leaks.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Coffey, John [mailto:john.coffey@cingular.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:24 PM
To: Carver, Michael A; yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Gas leak
Any of you Yak Wizards know of a good way to fix a Yak-55 fuel tank
leak?
-----Original Message-----
From: Carver, Michael A [mailto:michael.a.carver@intel.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:58 AM
To: Coffey, John
Subject: Gas leak
Hi John,
Have you have ever had a gas tank leak on your Yak?
It looks like my plane is developing a gas leak along the seam on the
bottom of both wings.
It would be good to know of an efficient economical way to fix it.
If you have had this problem or know someone who has, would you refer
me to them?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
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| Subject: | CJ6A transition trainging |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Genzlinger, Reade wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
>
> Brian is correct - when you fly with the Russian's they do "PFL" or practice
> forced landing drills.
As do I.
I am going to put in a shameless plug here: I am actively doing CJ6A
transition and recurring training in the US again. I promise you that,
if you apply yourself when I am with you, you *will* know your airplane
when I am done with you.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
115 klicks sounds awful slow coming across the numbers. I'm usually
somewhere around 130.
Ernie
On 12/7/05, Fraser, Gus <gus.fraser@gs.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> Reade,
> You had the same teacher as I did, it does seem strange at first to be at
> pattern altitude when the numbers go under the nose :))
>
> Gus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Genzlinger, Reade
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:37 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 12/06/05
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade"
> --> <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
>
> Brian is correct - when you fly with the Russian's they do "PFL" or practice
> forced landing drills.
>
> Also, at the other end of the spectrum, it is amazing how fast the 52 will
> fall out of the sky with flaps, idle, and a wicked slip.
>
> I agree with Janet and do very high and tight patterns. Makes me feel real
> uncomfortable when doing a "normal" approach!!
>
> Reade
>
> > One of the things I demonstrate to students is that the CJ6A will not
> > be able to make the runway from the point on downwind abeam the
> > touchdown point if the gear and flaps are down.
>
>
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Coincidence? As a number of you know I live under a MOA with a active
Restricted area just 4 nm south and an active live bombing range 22.3 nm SE.
It
rattles my hangar door when they drop 2,000 pounders.
The Navy and Army helicopters have a low altitude (200') night route right
over our airpark that they use as a check point.
Just after midnight the unmistakable sound of rotors bashing at the air as
two Apaches may one circle of our place. They do this when they need to kill
time so as to arrive right on TOT.
Than around noon two FA-18 did some contorting overhead at about 5,000 or
so. It was enough racket to pull me from my computer problem and go out side
and watch.
Than I took stock of what day this was. And I said two prayers. One for
those at Pearl Harbor and one for the pilots over head. And as I sign off this
stupid computer for the night, I'll say one for the "boots" overseas.
Without the likes of them, I wouldn't be living under the best spot of sky on
God's green earth - with the sounds of freedom all around me.
Sleep well my fellow countrymen.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby.
"God help me - I do love it so".
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Doug,
If I remember correctly the 55 has tanks constructed in the same way as the
52's. I have had a small leak in our 52 which according to our Russian
engineer is a "normal" problem with these tanks. When they start leaking 9
out of 10 times it leaks around a rivet. These rivets are welded as well and
the leak, as I had it, had a small crack in the alluminum which was welded
around the rivet.
Find a guy who can TIG-weld and it is fixed in 5 seconds, assuming you empty
the tank first of course....
I removed the complete tank and took off all hoses and pipe fixtures etc.
Left it outside in the sun to dry for a 24 hours, blew air through it again
and then did the welding. Problem fixed!
Finding the leak was a matter of closing the tank completely and blow air in
it and at the same time spray it with "leakfinder" which I bought at a DIY
shop.
Good luck.
Hans Oortman
Yak pilot from Holland
_____
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Doug Sapp
Verzonden: woensdag 7 december 2005 23:06
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: RE: Gas leak
John,
I have never seen a 55 fuel tank, but I have a load of experience with other
tanks including wet wings, riveted, welded and "rubber two part epoxy"
sealed tanks. Can you send me a photo of the tank and its construction. If
it can be removed and shipped and IF it is of riveted or welded construction
I think I can repair it. If the leak is small you might first try sloshing
the tank with sloshing sealer. If you do this make sure you do your
homework as some old style sloshing sealers continue to move and have been
known to eventually plug the fittings. Also some sloshing sealers do not
like auto fuel. It's been a long time since I messed with sloshing sealers
so I cannot tell you which one to use. The tank must be removed in order to
slosh it. I am answering this "on the list" in hopes someone else has had
some experience with sloshing sealers.
Good luck.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Coffey, John
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Gas leak
Any of you Yak Wizards know of a good way to fix a Yak-55 fuel tank leak?
-----Original Message-----
From: Carver, Michael A [mailto:michael.a.carver@intel.com]
Subject: Gas leak
Hi John,
Have you have ever had a gas tank leak on your Yak?
It looks like my plane is developing a gas leak along the seam on the bottom
of both wings.
It would be good to know of an efficient economical way to fix it.
If you have had this problem or know someone who has, would you refer me to
them?
Thanks in advance,
Mike
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