Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 03:39 AM - Re: CHINESE HELMETS (Craig Payne)
2. 03:41 AM - Re: Booster Coil (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 04:35 AM - ADIZ EVERYWHERE? Don't say I didn't tell you so! (Frank Haertlein)
4. 04:38 AM - More ADIZ to come??? Don't say I didn't tell you so! (Frank Haertlein)
5. 04:54 AM - Re: More ADIZ to come??? Don't say I didn't tell you so! (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 05:21 AM - Re: More ADIZ to come??? Don't say I didn't tell you so! (Frank Haertlein)
7. 05:58 AM - Rare schematic diagrams for sale. (Fraser, Gus)
8. 06:11 AM - Re: More ADIZ to come??? Don't say I didn't tell you so (Fraser, Gus)
9. 06:23 AM - New question of the week (Fraser, Gus)
10. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Gear Schematics (Brian Lloyd)
11. 07:16 AM - Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Brian Lloyd)
12. 07:41 AM - Re: New question of the week (Answer) (Mark Schrick)
13. 07:44 AM - Re: New question of the week (Answer) (Fraser, Gus)
14. 08:18 AM - Re: New question of the week (Kevin Pilling)
15. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: CHINESE HELMETS (Brian Lloyd)
16. 09:50 AM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Walter Lannon)
17. 09:51 AM - Re: New question of the week (Walter Lannon)
18. 10:19 AM - Re: New question of the week (Kevin Pilling)
19. 10:34 AM - Re: New question of the week (Walter Lannon)
20. 12:32 PM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Brian Lloyd)
21. 12:46 PM - Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale (Craig Payne)
22. 01:46 PM - Re: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale (Fraser, Gus)
23. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale (Craig Payne)
24. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale (Marcus Bates)
25. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale (Doug Sapp)
26. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale (Doug Sapp)
27. 06:20 PM - EFIS ONE (Ernest Martinez)
28. 08:48 PM - Vote-vote-vote (cjpilot710@aol.com)
29. 09:35 PM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Walter Lannon)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: CHINESE HELMETS |
Yeah I saw them too. They use that same helmet for pilots and motorcycle police.
1 size fits all, just adjust a little. I suppose the shell and visor units could
be retained and the rest of the helmet replaced with US stuff. Not real hard
to do but not worth doing unless the quality is there in the first place.
Craig Payne
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil |
It has a high tension lead from the booster coil directly into the mag cap and
only on the left mag. If you were to look at the cap you'll see an additional
hole at the front-top of the cap. It has a small hump molded into the cap where
the booster coil lead goes into. They come from the factory with a rubber
plug in that hole because the mag is obviously interchangeable from side to side.
If the mag is installed on the right side, the hole is plugged.
The timing on the M9F standard mag by spec is 14.5 to 16 degrees BTDC as measured
at the prop flange; 24 degrees at the crank shaft. The M14P gear ratio is
.658 to 1. Thus 24 degrees at the crank times .658 is about 15.8 degrees BTC.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:26 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil
I think we did discuss this Walt. However, with the 52 as I'm sure you know,
we start the airplane with the mag switch off if we have the standard M9F mags.
All of the 80's models with M14P's have these mags. Once the engine fires
from the booster coil, we flip the mag switch on. The additional finger on
the mag rotor is as you say, designed to fire a couple of degrees after TDC.
The M9-35 mags as used on the TW and M14PF 400HP engines are started with the
mag switch in the 1+2 position. These mags do not use a booster coil as they
are centrifugal advance mags and timed to AFTER TDC depending on the stamped
number under the cover in the boss of the mag. Usually around 5 degrees after
TDC. If I'm not mistaken, the CJ is started with the mag switch on, just like
the TW and uses a mag that is also centrifugal advance.?
Dennis
Right on Dennis, the CJ can be started with the mag switch on since, at the
start, it fires at approx. 7 degs. (crank) BTDC. Not as close as the TW to
TDC but close enough. The M14P with the fixed spark mag by comparison will fire
at 23 +/- 1 deg. (crank) at the start so there is a danger of reverse start.
The mags should be off until it starts on the booster.
Does the 52 have an HT lead from the start booster to one mag? Or a box in
the primary circuit?
Cheers;
Walt
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | ADIZ EVERYWHERE? Don't say I didn't tell you so! |
0.33 PLING_QUERY Subject has exclamation mark and question mark
9/11 COMMISSION: ADIZs EVERYWHERE?
Perhaps. In the 9/11 Commission's first "report card," it gives the
government a "B-" for homeland airspace defense. The commission notes that
there is "no overarching plan to secure airspace outside the National
Capital region." "That's most ominous," said Andy Cebula, AOPA senior vice
president of government and technical affairs, "because what 'secures' the
National Capital region is the Washington, D.C., Air Defense Identification
Zone (ADIZ)! I'm not sure which is more distressing--that the commission
thinks the Washington, D.C., ADIZ works, or that they think the model should
be applied elsewhere." This makes it all the more critical that pilots tell
the government that they don't want the Washington, D.C., ADIZ to continue
and that they definitely don't want an ADIZ in their airspace. In its
original report, the 9/11 Commission said that NORAD-- the North American
Aerospace Defense Command--focused only on threats from outside the United
States, even though terrorists might "use planes as missiles." The report
card, issued Monday, adds that "no single agency currently leads the
interagency response to airspace violations." "What we have seen before with
these kinds of reports is a knee-jerk reaction to do something--anything--to
prove that you're doing something," said Cebula. "And the easiest thing for
them to do would be to create more ADIZs." But ADIZs would be the wrong
thing to do, according to AOPA. The ill-conceived, poorly executed approach
unfairly penalizes general aviation, damages small businesses, increases
transportation inefficiencies, and adds additional non-safety-related
burdens upon already over-tasked air traffic controllers. See AOPA's Member
Action Center: Operation ADIZ ( <http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/>
http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/ ).
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | More ADIZ to come??? Don't say I didn't tell you so! |
0.33 PLING_QUERY Subject has exclamation mark and question mark
KENTUCKY LAWMAKER THREATENS STATE'S AIRSPACE
Don't think an air defense identification zone (ADIZ) could be imposed
outside of Washington, D.C.? Well, former Kentucky governor and current
state Sen. Julian Carroll is sponsoring a resolution (
<http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/06rs/SR1/bill.doc>
http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/06rs/SR1/bill.doc ), requesting the FAA to
examine flight paths to Frankfort's Capital City Airport and to restrict air
traffic around the grounds of the state's Capitol. Carroll was interviewed
recently by a Frankfort radio station about the resolution and said he
believes that restricting the airspace is a homeland security issue because
terrorists may consider acts outside major cities. Listen online (
<http://www.whas.com/timages/page/media/airspace_whas1.wav>
http://www.whas.com/timages/page/media/airspace_whas1.wav ). AOPA
Southeastern Regional Representative Bob Minter is marshalling forces to
defeat the resolution when the legislature reconvenes January 3.
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: More ADIZ to come??? Don't say I didn't tell you so! |
MessageYou're right on Frank. That's precisely what I cited in my letter to the
FAA. If it passes, ie: permanent ADIZ, it sets the precedent for politicians
to say "Hey, my city could be a target. So why can't we have an ADIZ around
my city?" Read - Chicago. Then it's on and on from there.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Haertlein
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 6:37 AM
Subject: Yak-List: More ADIZ to come??? Don't say I didn't tell you so!
KENTUCKY LAWMAKER THREATENS STATE'S AIRSPACE
Don't think an air defense identification zone (ADIZ) could be imposed outside of Washington, D.C.? Well, former Kentucky governor and current state Sen. Julian Carroll is sponsoring a resolution ( http://www.lrc.ky.gov/record/06rs/SR1/bill.doc ), requesting the FAA to examine flight paths to Frankfort's Capital City Airport and to restrict air traffic around the grounds of the state's Capitol. Carroll was interviewed recently by a Frankfort radio station about the resolution and said he believes that restricting the airspace is a homeland security issue because terrorists may consider acts outside major cities. Listen online ( http://www.whas.com/timages/page/media/airspace_whas1.wav ). AOPA Southeastern Regional Representative Bob Minter is marshalling forces to defeat the resolution when the legislature reconvenes January 3.
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | More ADIZ to come??? Don't say I didn't tell you so! |
Thanks, Dennis
As I keep telling my fellow Yakkers "This loss of freedoms goes wayyy beyond
just flying. It gets into almost every aspect of our lives. One day we will
wake up and say "Where have all our freedoms gone".
We really do have to be vigilant. Let's start by denying any more entry into
this country of peoples from muslim countries. Hell, why stop
there?.......deport em' all!
Frank
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Rare schematic diagrams for sale. |
OK folks
I have some stuff for sale they are a complete set of the training diagrams
for a Yak 52 (aircrew and ground crew)
I have no idea what they are worth so I am putting them up for bid.
see http://www.notasukhoi.com/cgi-bin/photo/index.cgi?mode=view
<http://www.notasukhoi.com/cgi-bin/photo/index.cgi?mode=view&album=/Posters>
&album=/Posters
Please send bids directly to fraseg@comcast.net <mailto:fraseg@comcast.net>
with a subject BID
I would rather sell them to someone that can get them re-produced and sell
copies on because they are more useful than a useful thing from useful city.
Gus
<META content"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2769" nameGENERATOR>
OK
folks
<FONT faceArial color#0000ff
size2>
I have
some stuff for sale they are a complete set of the training diagrams for a Yak
52 (aircrew and ground crew)
<FONT faceArial color#0000ff
size2>
I have
no idea what they are worth so I am putting them up for bid.
<FONT faceArial color#0000ff
size2>
see <A
">http://www.notasukhoi.com/cgi-bin/photo/index.cgi?modeviewalbum/Posters
<FONT faceArial color#0000ff
size2>
Please
send bids directly to fraseg@comcast.net
with a subject BID
<FONT faceArial color#0000ff
size2>
I
would rather sell them to someone that can get them re-produced and sell copies
on because they are more useful than a useful thing from useful
city.
<FONT faceArial color#0000ff
size2>
<FONT faceArial color#0000ff
size2>Gus
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
!
| Subject: | More ADIZ to come??? Don't say I didn't tell you so |
!
DO NOT ARCHIVE
What really busts my grapes about all this is that
1. The only type of aircraft to be successfully used in an act of terror,
was big iron.
2. The only aircraft that will be allowed to fly into and out of these
proposed areas, big iron.
The lunatics are really in control of the asylum now.
You have to understand that politicians don't do anything effective they
just do things that have the appearance, to the majority, of being effective
that is how they get re-elected. Remember when you were in the service, if
you want a rest, appear to be busy.
For politicians, and other celebrities, as I regard politicians as movie
stars that don't give autographs, an ADIZ will become the new thing to have,
an accessory and a status symbol. What better in the pissing stakes that
saying that my ADIZ is bigger than your ADIZ or I can keep my ADIZ up longer
than you can.
Truth is, things are going to get worse before they get better.
Please if you didn't write yet do it now, PLEASE......
Gus
Platos republic
"Anarchy is the only true democracy. Anarchy is not sustainable therefore
there can be no long term democracy."
Ah! the advantages of a classical education.
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: RE: Yak-List: More ADIZ to come??? Don't say I didn't tell you so!
Thanks, Dennis
As I keep telling my fellow Yakkers "This loss of freedoms goes wayyy beyond
just flying. It gets into almost every aspect of our lives. One day we will
wake up and say "Where have all our freedoms gone".
We really do have to be vigilant. Let's start by denying any more entry into
this country of peoples from muslim countries. Hell, why stop
there?.......deport em' all!
Frank
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Message
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2769" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
DO NOT
ARCHIVE
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>What really busts my grapes about all this is that
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>1. The only type of aircraft to be successfully used in an
act of terror, was big iron.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>2. The only aircraft that will be allowed to fly into and
out of these proposed areas, big iron.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The lunatics are really in control of the asylum
now.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>You have to understand that politicians don't do anything
effective they just do things that have the appearance, to the majority, of
being effective that is how they get re-elected. Remember when you were in the
service, if you want a rest, appear to be busy.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>For politicians, and other celebrities, as I regard
politicians as movie stars that don't give autographs, an ADIZ will become the
new thing to have, an accessory and a status symbol. What better in the pissing
stakes that saying that my ADIZ is bigger than your ADIZ or I can keep my ADIZ
up longer than you can.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Truth is, things are going to get worse before they get
better.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Please if you didn't write yet do it now,
PLEASE......
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Gus
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Platos republic
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>"Anarchy is the only true democracy. Anarchy is not
sustainable therefore there can be no long term
democracy."<FONT
face=Arial>Ah<SPAN
class=289285913-09122005>!theadvantagesofaclassicaleducation.<SPAN
class=289285913-09122005>
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Haertlein
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: More ADIZ to come???
Don't say I didn't tell you so!
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks, Dennis
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>
As I
keep telling my fellow Yakkers "This loss of freedoms goes wayyy beyond just
flying. It gets into almost every aspect of our lives. One day we will wake up
andsay "Where have allour freedoms gone".
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>
We
really do have to be vigilant. Let's start by denying any more entry into this
country of peoples from muslim countries. Hell, why stop there?.......deport
em' all!
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Frank
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>
DO NOT
ARCHIVE
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | New question of the week |
What is this ?
Gus
<<strangeYak.jpg>>
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
<META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2658.24">
New question of the week
What is this ?
Gus
strangeYak.jpg
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: RE: Gear Schematics |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Doug Sapp wrote:
> Gus,
> Don't have your email and the "new and improved" Yak list does not list
> it any longer. Please contact me off list or give me a call at
> 509-826-4610.
If you want to give someone your email address you can try putting it in
the body of the message or writing it out. The software might clobber:
foo@bar.com
but it will certainly pass:
foo at bar dot com.
BTW, notice that I have made that change in my email address in my
signature box below. That makes it less likely that a spammer will pick
up my email address from the list postings.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Bitterlich GS11 Mark G wrote:
> Walt, can you explain the difference to me someday when you have time?
Dennis and Walt have done a pretty good job of describing it but I do
want to add my two cents worth.
The booster coil system used on the Yak-52 and CJ6A are almost like the
old Ford Model-T ignition system. When you apply battery power to the
booster coil (by pressing the start button) it provides continuous high
voltage at its output. (A buzzer-like vibrating contact makes and breaks
the battery voltage going into the primary of the booster coil so that
you get a continuous spark at the output of the secondary.) The output
of the secondary winding of the booster coil is then coupled to the
retard contact in the HV distributor in the left magneto. The rest of
the magneto, e.g. magnets, points, coil, etc., do not take part in the
starting process.
Unlike the Model-T there are no points to turn the battery voltage on
and off for timing. The timing after TDC is provided by the position of
the extra retard high voltage contact on the distributor cap and rotor.
This timing is very, very sloppy but is sufficient to get the engine to
fire and turn of its own accord. Once it does that and turns fast
enough, the magneto takes over firing the plugs and setting the timing.
The Yak-52 mags are fixed advance while the mags on the CJ6A use
centrifugal advance. This means that there is very little chance that
the engine will fire before TDC and kick backwards in the CJ6A and so
you can start with the mags on.
There are some similarities between the booster coil system and the
"shower of sparks" system in that they both use a vibrator to make and
break the battery voltage going to the primary of the magneto thus
delivering a continuous spark and not just a single, momentary spark.
(This is why people get them confused.)
In the Bendix "Shower of Sparks" system (Slick has their own version but
it works the same way) there is a second set of points in the mag called
the retard breaker. These points are set to open at or slightly after
TDC. When they open they allow the interrupted battery voltage from the
vibrator to reach the primary coil of the magneto. The magneto coil then
steps up this voltage to produce a continuous spark at the output of the
magneto coil's secondary. With "Shower of Sparks" there is no extra coil
and no extra high-voltage wiring.
To make all this work with the Bendix or Slick mag there is a little
relay box that temporarily switches around the primary wiring of your
magnetos. When you engage the "start" function, i.e. push the start
button or turn the key to to the start position, a relay is energized
that does the following:
1. it grounds the p-lead of the right mag so it won't fire at all;
2. it connects the battery voltage to the vibrator;
3. it connects the vibrator to the retard breaker.
Slick's system "SlickSTART" just replaces the venerable vibrator with a
solid-state circuit that accomplishes the same thing and produces yet a
hotter spark.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | New question of the week (Answer) |
That is a 1978 Yak 50 converted into a LA-5 look-alike replica airplane
converted in Lithuania.
Looks good with the turtle deck on the Yak 50. It is for sale currently in
Europe.
Did I win?
Do I get a cookie?
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email <mailto:schrick@pacbell.net> schrick@pacbell.net
Website <http://www.yakdriver.com/> www.YAKDRIVER.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus
Subject: Yak-List: New question of the week
What is this ?
Gus
<<strangeYak.jpg>>
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | New question of the week (Answer) |
Yea, go Mark !
Your right it does look really nice plus possibly room for a px behind the
pilot ?
I tell you what I will give you another Cuban at OSH :))
Did the prop arrive ?
Gus
_____
From: Mark Schrick [mailto:schrick@pacbell.net]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New question of the week (Answer)
That is a 1978 Yak 50 converted into a LA-5 look-alike replica airplane
converted in Lithuania.
Looks good with the turtle deck on the Yak 50. It is for sale currently in
Europe.
Did I win?
Do I get a cookie?
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email <mailto:schrick@pacbell.net> schrick@pacbell.net
Website <http://www.yakdriver.com/> www.YAKDRIVER.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus
Subject: Yak-List: New question of the week
What is this ?
Gus
<<strangeYak.jpg>>
New question of the week
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2769" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE>@font-face {
font-family: Century;
}
@font-face {
font-family: Tahoma;
}
@font-face {
font-family: Comic Sans MS;
}
@font-face {
font-family: Verdana;
}
@font-face {
font-family: Franklin Gothic Medium;
}
@font-face {
font-family: Century Gothic;
}
@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; }
P.MsoNormal {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
LI.MsoNormal {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
DIV.MsoNormal {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"
}
A:link {
COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
SPAN.MsoHyperlink {
COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
A:visited {
COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {
COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline
}
P {
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: "Times
New Roman"
}
SPAN.EmailStyle18 {
COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial
}
DIV.Section1 {
page: Section1
}
</STYLE>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Yea, go Mark !
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Your right it does look really nice plus possibly room for
a px behind the pilot ?
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I tell you what I will give you another Cuban at OSH
:))
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Did the prop arrive ?
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Gus
From: Mark Schrick
[mailto:schrick@pacbell.net]
AM
Gus
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New question of the week
(Answer)
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">That is a 1978 Yak 50
converted into a LA-5 look-alike replica airplane converted in
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Lithuania<FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">.
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Looks good with the
turtle deck on the Yak 50. It is for sale currently in <FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Europe<FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">.
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Did I win?
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Do I get a
cookie?
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue
size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: blue">Mark
<EM><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#008040 size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt; COLOR: #008040">"SHREK"</EM><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"> <FONT
color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">Schrick
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000a0
size=5><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: #0000a0; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">YAK
DRIVER, LLC
<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">Aerostar<FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue"> Dealer of (New)Yak
52TW
<EM><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Fully
Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's
budget!!!</EM><EM><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
</EM>
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Century">REDSTAR Pilot Assoc.
<FONT face=Century color=olive
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: Century">A<EM><FONT
face="Franklin Gothic Medium" color=olive size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: olive; FONT-FAMILY: 'Franklin
Gothic Medium'">ctive
member</EM>
<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue
size=2>966 Wallace
Drive
<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue
size=2>San
Jose<FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=blue size=2>, Ca
95120-1848
<FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#0000a0
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000a0; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">Hm/Fax
408-323-5150
<FONT face="Century Gothic" color=#0000a0
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000a0; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century Gothic'">Cell
408-391-6664
<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#0000a0
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000a0">Email<FONT
color=#0000a0 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000a0"><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
face=Arial><A
"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">schrick@pacbell.net
<FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#0000a0
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0000a0">Website
<SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">www.YAKDRIVER.com
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----
From:
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] <SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus
<SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent: <FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>Friday, December 09,
2005<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>6:23
AM<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
<SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: '<FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">yak-list@matronics.com<FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">'
<SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: Yak-List: New question of the
week
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What is this ?
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gus
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">strangeYak.jpg
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New question of the week |
New question of the week's probably a Lavochkin look-a-like similar to these ..I'd
be interested to know the frame number as the 5 in this batch are sequential
numbers.
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:23 PM
Subject: Yak-List: New question of the week
What is this ?
Gus
<<strangeYak.jpg>>
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: CHINESE HELMETS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Craig Payne wrote:
> Yeah I saw them too. They use that same helmet for pilots and motorcycle
> police. 1 size fits all, just adjust a little. I suppose the shell and
> visor units could be retained and the rest of the helmet replaced with
> US stuff. Not real hard to do but not worth doing unless the quality is
> there in the first place.
Dennis Nickson bought one and showed it to me. It looks OK. The quality
is pretty good but the shell is just a bit light. There is no lock on
the visor to keep it either up or down.
You will have to come up with your own mic and earspeakers. The Oregon
Aero fit-kit should work too. My guess is that you could save a couple
hundred bucks going with this helmet over some place like Flight Suits
Ltd but you are going to have to do a lot more work to make it usable.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Well done Brian, Thanks for filling in the operational details. Two points
though need some clarification --
> There are some similarities between the booster coil system and the
> "shower of sparks" system in that they both use a vibrator to make and
> break the battery voltage going to the primary of the magneto thus
> delivering a continuous spark and not just a single, momentary spark.
> (This is why people get them confused.)
The similarity is only that they both use a vibrator. The function of the
vibrator is quite different. The shower of sparks vibrator controls the
battery voltage to the MAGNETO primary while the boost coil vibrator
controls voltage to the BOOST COIL primary
> In the Bendix "Shower of Sparks" system (Slick has their own version but
> it works the same way) there is a second set of points in the mag called
> the retard breaker. These points are set to open at or slightly after TDC.
> When they open they allow the interrupted battery voltage from the
> vibrator to reach the primary coil of the magneto. The magneto coil then
> steps up this voltage to produce a continuous spark at the output of the
> magneto coil's secondary. With "Shower of Sparks" there is no extra coil
> and no extra high-voltage wiring.
The second set of points would have been a later re-design of Bendix
magnetos. None of the radial engines I am familiar with had mags. with a
retard point set, but my direct experience only goes to the R2000 era. Maybe
they were on the R2800?? I don't remember. Or were they a later flat engine
mag??
In any case the magnetos on our engines do not have this facility.
The retard point set is the fix for the shower of sparks weak point - the
fact that it is a "shower of sparks".
Cheers;
Walt
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New question of the week |
New question of the weekKevin,
Where are they, I wan't one
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Pilling
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New question of the week
's probably a Lavochkin look-a-like similar to these ..I'd be interested to know
the frame number as the 5 in this batch are sequential numbers.
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:23 PM
Subject: Yak-List: New question of the week
What is this ?
Gus
<<strangeYak.jpg>>
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New question of the week |
New question of the weekSorry to say you're too late. I have one, two further are
locally based in the UK, a fourth is in Texas and just at this time I'm not
sure the whereabouts of the of the 5th example........they are all 1985 vintage
and this one is the Texas one....snapped whilst in the UK before shipping to
the US showing perfectly how the Mosfilm Studio mocked them up as Lagg 5's
Regards
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New question of the week
Kevin,
Where are they, I wan't one
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Pilling
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New question of the week
's probably a Lavochkin look-a-like similar to these ..I'd be interested to
know the frame number as the 5 in this batch are sequential numbers.
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:23 PM
Subject: Yak-List: New question of the week
What is this ?
Gus
<<strangeYak.jpg>>
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New question of the week |
New question of the weekThanks Kevin;
Your first photo showed real Lavochkins in storage. I wan't one of those!
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Pilling
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New question of the week
Sorry to say you're too late. I have one, two further are locally based in the
UK, a fourth is in Texas and just at this time I'm not sure the whereabouts
of the of the 5th example........they are all 1985 vintage and this one is the
Texas one....snapped whilst in the UK before shipping to the US showing perfectly
how the Mosfilm Studio mocked them up as Lagg 5's
Regards
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New question of the week
Kevin,
Where are they, I wan't one
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Pilling
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New question of the week
's probably a Lavochkin look-a-like similar to these ..I'd be interested
to know the frame number as the 5 in this batch are sequential numbers.
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:23 PM
Subject: Yak-List: New question of the week
What is this ?
Gus
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Walter Lannon wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> Well done Brian, Thanks for filling in the operational details. Two
> points though need some clarification --
>
>
>> There are some similarities between the booster coil system and the
>> "shower of sparks" system in that they both use a vibrator to make and
>> break the battery voltage going to the primary of the magneto thus
>> delivering a continuous spark and not just a single, momentary spark.
>> (This is why people get them confused.)
>
>
> The similarity is only that they both use a vibrator. The function of
> the vibrator is quite different. The shower of sparks vibrator controls
> the battery voltage to the MAGNETO primary while the boost coil vibrator
> controls voltage to the BOOST COIL primary
Yeah, that was a typo. The boost coil is completely separate from the
mag and as I said in the original post, other than the HV distributor,
none of the other components in the mag are used with the boost-coil
approach. My bad. I caught that after I hit the send button.
>> In the Bendix "Shower of Sparks" system (Slick has their own version
>> but it works the same way) there is a second set of points in the mag
>> called the retard breaker. These points are set to open at or slightly
>> after TDC. When they open they allow the interrupted battery voltage
>> from the vibrator to reach the primary coil of the magneto. The
>> magneto coil then steps up this voltage to produce a continuous spark
>> at the output of the magneto coil's secondary. With "Shower of Sparks"
>> there is no extra coil and no extra high-voltage wiring.
>
> The second set of points would have been a later re-design of Bendix
> magnetos. None of the radial engines I am familiar with had mags. with a
> retard point set, but my direct experience only goes to the R2000 era.
> Maybe they were on the R2800?? I don't remember. Or were they a later
> flat engine mag??
They are certainly on flat engines. The current crop of Bendix and Slick
mags have a separate "retard" breaker point that is used to time the
"shower of sparks" so that it fires at or after TDC. The retard breaker
mag doesn't have impulse couplings either which makes it simpler and
more reliable. The only problem you have with the "shower of sparks"
system is that you *must* have battery voltage to get the engine to
start. It will not start by hand propping unless there is battery
voltage to the SoS electrics. So you could hand-prop if there were a
problem with the starter motor but not if you have a dead battery.
> In any case the magnetos on our engines do not have this facility.
> The retard point set is the fix for the shower of sparks weak point -
> the fact that it is a "shower of sparks".
Right. If our mags had a retard breaker to time the boost coil, the
engine would start and run more smoothly on the start circuit.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale |
Of course these "rare" drawings are also available from Jim Kimball on CD. I believe
a set of 30 drawings for around $70. Several years ago the full size posters
were available as a set. Priced anywhere from $22 to $80, depending on the
year and source.
Craig Payne
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale |
Fraid not you are thinking about the M14P diagrams these aint them. Those
are available as posters from snaproll aerobatics
These are Yak 52 systems diagrams not the same beast at all.
Wrong for the first time ever Craig, can't believe it.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale
Of course these "rare" drawings are also available from Jim Kimball on CD. I
believe a set of 30 drawings for around $70. Several years ago the full size
posters were available as a set. Priced anywhere from $22 to $80, depending
on the year and source.
Craig Payne
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2769" name=GENERATOR>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Fraid not you are thinking about the M14P diagrams these aint
them. Those are available as posters from snaproll
aerobatics
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>These are Yak 52 systems diagrams not the same beast at
all.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Wrong for the first time ever Craig, can't believe
it.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Payne
yak-list
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for
sale
Of course these "rare" drawings are also available from Jim Kimball on
CD. I believe a set of 30 drawings for around $70. Several years ago the full
size posters were available as a set. Priced anywhere from $22 to $80,
depending on the year and source.
Craig Payne
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: RE: RE: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale |
OK, I drilled down on your site pix and now I see. Wrong I am. Question now is
why would *anyone* want more from the Yak-52 than the engine and prop??
Just for jollies on a cold and rainy evening (mid-60's), I ran through my collection
of "Yak" newsletters back to Vol. 1, No. 1 in 1993. I must say not much
is new lately for the yak. For the CJ, lots, Skunkworks are in full blossom all
over CJ land. There was even an early version 52-TW was put together by Les
Crowder over 10 years ago; retractable, tailwheel, long range tanks and improved
supercharger blower. Whatever happened to it?
Craig Payne
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: RE: RE: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale |
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 6:53 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: RE: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale
OK, I drilled down on your site pix and now I see. Wrong I am. Question now is
why would *anyone* want more from the Yak-52 than the engine and prop??
Just for jollies on a cold and rainy evening (mid-60's), I ran through my collection
of "Yak" newsletters back to Vol. 1, No. 1 in 1993. I must say not much
is new lately for the yak. For the CJ, lots, Skunkworks are in full blossom
all over CJ land. There was even an early version 52-TW was put together by Les
Crowder over 10 years ago; retractable, tailwheel, long range tanks and improved
supercharger blower. Whatever happened to it?
Craig Payne
Craig....it was never finished.....it was still sitting in a corner of his hangar
unfinished when he died......I gave him some CJ-6 retract stuff to work with,
but it never went beyond the "discussion" stage. Marcus Bates, Jr.
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: RE: RE: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale |
Craig,
Les Crowder past away about 6 months ago, last I heard Les's "X" plane was
still sitting in the hanger. I sold him all the retract parts and pcs from
the CJ6. It sure looked cool, it had a horrendous deck angle, so it looked
like a old Russian fighter. That's about all I know.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 4:53 PM
To: yak-list
Subject: Yak-List: RE: RE: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale
OK, I drilled down on your site pix and now I see. Wrong I am. Question
now is why would *anyone* want more from the Yak-52 than the engine and
prop??
Just for jollies on a cold and rainy evening (mid-60's), I ran through my
collection of "Yak" newsletters back to Vol. 1, No. 1 in 1993. I must say
not much is new lately for the yak. For the CJ, lots, Skunkworks are in full
blossom all over CJ land. There was even an early version 52-TW was put
together by Les Crowder over 10 years ago; retractable, tailwheel, long
range tanks and improved supercharger blower. Whatever happened to it?
Craig Payne
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: RE: RE: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale |
Marcus,
Are your sure? I think I have a photo some where that he sent me, and as I
recall it was sitting on the CJ gear. Maybe it was just "mocked up", but it
sure looked good. But your closer to it than I am so you should know the
real poop.
Please contact me off list when you get time (another matter).
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marcus Bates
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:15 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: RE: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 6:53 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: RE: Re: Rare schematic diagrams for sale
OK, I drilled down on your site pix and now I see. Wrong I am. Question
now is why would *anyone* want more from the Yak-52 than the engine and
prop??
Just for jollies on a cold and rainy evening (mid-60's), I ran through
my collection of "Yak" newsletters back to Vol. 1, No. 1 in 1993. I must say
not much is new lately for the yak. For the CJ, lots, Skunkworks are in full
blossom all over CJ land. There was even an early version 52-TW was put
together by Les Crowder over 10 years ago; retractable, tailwheel, long
range tanks and improved supercharger blower. Whatever happened to it?
Craig Payne
Craig....it was never finished.....it was still sitting in a corner of
his hangar unfinished when he died......I gave him some CJ-6 retract stuff
to work with, but it never went beyond the "discussion" stage. Marcus
Bates, Jr.
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I have a friend here who has built an RV and unfortunately bought a
Blue Mountain Aviation EFIS One. After sending the unit back to the
factory about 5 times for problems, he has had enough and has yanked
the unit. It has never worked. BMA refuses to refund his money.
I have read threads from several people who have had similar incidents
with BMA, and I am requesting on behalf of my friend, your stories
with BMA. He hopes that some documented stories similar to his could
help him in his fight with BMA.
Thanks in advance
Ernie
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Troops.
This is for all you RPA members in the SE. Harry (Bam Bam) Dutson assigned
me the as "AK" to get to you guys to vote. Check out the new proposed
By-Laws on the RPA (_www.Flyredstar.org_ (http://www.Flyredstar.org) ) web site.
Than get your butts in gear and vote.
We are nearing the end of the voting period (12/31) and so far the votes
slow coming in. We really need as an association to know where we are going and
to do that we know to know if you guys & gals will approve or disapprove the
proposed by-laws. It only takes a short time to vote over the web site.
PLEASE do not make me call you indiviually.
Now here is my political spiel.
The BoD put a lot of effort into formulating these by-laws. There was
differences of opinions on how the association should be run but it was in the
details not in the idea that RPA will benefit from the regional representative
concept. That is what most of the change is about. We really need your
decision on this. I am asking you to vote FOR it BUT I want you to read it
though it and hopefully you will agree.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Last word on "Boost coil vs Shower of Sparks"???
Would the Yak community advise what system the various models are using?
My Harvard 4 (and I believe the T6G) use a shower of sparks system. The
Harvard 2 and all other T6 variants use a boost coil. I have the latest and
best of the R1340 Bendix mags on mine (SB9RN-4) and have the shower of
sparks totally disconnected. It starts fine in any temperature but with the
s-o-s connected will go backwards in a heartbeat.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> Walter Lannon wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>>
>> Well done Brian, Thanks for filling in the operational details. Two
>> points though need some clarification --
>>
>>
>>> There are some similarities between the booster coil system and the
>>> "shower of sparks" system in that they both use a vibrator to make and
>>> break the battery voltage going to the primary of the magneto thus
>>> delivering a continuous spark and not just a single, momentary spark.
>>> (This is why people get them confused.)
>>
>>
>> The similarity is only that they both use a vibrator. The function of the
>> vibrator is quite different. The shower of sparks vibrator controls the
>> battery voltage to the MAGNETO primary while the boost coil vibrator
>> controls voltage to the BOOST COIL primary
>
> Yeah, that was a typo. The boost coil is completely separate from the
> mag and as I said in the original post, other than the HV distributor,
> none of the other components in the mag are used with the boost-coil
> approach. My bad. I caught that after I hit the send button.
>
>>> In the Bendix "Shower of Sparks" system (Slick has their own version but
>>> it works the same way) there is a second set of points in the mag called
>>> the retard breaker. These points are set to open at or slightly after
>>> TDC. When they open they allow the interrupted battery voltage from the
>>> vibrator to reach the primary coil of the magneto. The magneto coil then
>>> steps up this voltage to produce a continuous spark at the output of the
>>> magneto coil's secondary. With "Shower of Sparks" there is no extra coil
>>> and no extra high-voltage wiring.
>>
>> The second set of points would have been a later re-design of Bendix
>> magnetos. None of the radial engines I am familiar with had mags. with a
>> retard point set, but my direct experience only goes to the R2000 era.
>> Maybe they were on the R2800?? I don't remember. Or were they a later
>> flat engine mag??
>
> They are certainly on flat engines. The current crop of Bendix and Slick
> mags have a separate "retard" breaker point that is used to time the
> "shower of sparks" so that it fires at or after TDC. The retard breaker
> mag doesn't have impulse couplings either which makes it simpler and
> more reliable. The only problem you have with the "shower of sparks"
> system is that you *must* have battery voltage to get the engine to
> start. It will not start by hand propping unless there is battery
> voltage to the SoS electrics. So you could hand-prop if there were a
> problem with the starter motor but not if you have a dead battery.
>
>> In any case the magnetos on our engines do not have this facility.
>> The retard point set is the fix for the shower of sparks weak point - the
>> fact that it is a "shower of sparks".
>
> Right. If our mags had a retard breaker to time the boost coil, the
> engine would start and run more smoothly on the start circuit.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|