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1. 06:04 AM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Steve Dalton)
2. 06:19 AM - Re: EFIS ONE (Barry Hancock)
3. 09:16 AM - Re: Vote-vote-vote ()
4. 10:07 AM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Brian Lloyd)
5. 11:56 AM - One Six Right (Terry Calloway)
6. 04:39 PM - scoop to fix exhaust smell (ron wasson)
7. 06:14 PM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Roger Bieberdorf)
8. 06:28 PM - scoop to fox exhaust smell (ron wasson)
9. 06:38 PM - vote vote vote. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 06:51 PM - scoop to fix exhaust smell (ron wasson)
11. 07:18 PM - Re: vote vote vote. ()
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
<<<From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
Last word on "Boost coil vs Shower of Sparks"???
Would the Yak community advise what system the various models are
using?>>>
Hi Walt,
My -52TW has the Russian M9-35 centrifugal advance mags with the Slick
Start system installed to help in starting. The engine is started with
the mags at 1+2. Works great!
Cheers,
Steve Dalton
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Dec 9, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> I have a friend here who has built an RV and unfortunately bought a
> Blue Mountain Aviation EFIS One. After sending the unit back to the
> factory about 5 times for problems, he has had enough and has yanked
> the unit. It has never worked. BMA refuses to refund his money.
Unfortunately, this story repeats itself over and over again. We have
an customer with an L-39 that sent his back 3 times and is now going
with Chelton - the thing would tumble just sitting there on the
ground...forget about the time it froze in IMC on me (in a descending
turn no less, thank you very much!) a few years back. Having 100 hours
behind a Chelton myself, I can attest to this being a good choice. BMA
puts out a pretty product, but in the end you get what you pay for with
the EFIS ONE. They have a new EFIS Lite G3 coming out that is supposed
to get TSO'd, so we'll see how this goes.
I think Greg Richter is a very talented guy. Unfortunately they do not
come anywhere close to being the model of customer support that the
Younkins are at Tru Trak....getting them to cooperate is an exercise in
frustration. It seems as far as they are concerned their units are
wonderful and anything that is wrong with them is either operator or
installation error....perhaps at some point this will change...
Greg, are you listening?
Cheers,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Vote-vote-vote |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <mjbjhf@charter.net>
I Voted!!
Michael "Mighty" Bolton
>
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Date: 2005/12/10 Sat AM 04:47:42 GMT
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Vote-vote-vote
>
> Troops.
>
> This is for all you RPA members in the SE. Harry (Bam Bam) Dutson assigned
> me the as "AK" to get to you guys to vote. Check out the new proposed
> By-Laws on the RPA (_www.Flyredstar.org_ (http://www.Flyredstar.org) ) web site.
> Than get your butts in gear and vote.
>
> We are nearing the end of the voting period (12/31) and so far the votes
> slow coming in. We really need as an association to know where we are going
and
> to do that we know to know if you guys & gals will approve or disapprove the
> proposed by-laws. It only takes a short time to vote over the web site.
> PLEASE do not make me call you indiviually.
>
> Now here is my political spiel.
>
> The BoD put a lot of effort into formulating these by-laws. There was
> differences of opinions on how the association should be run but it was in the
> details not in the idea that RPA will benefit from the regional representative
> concept. That is what most of the change is about. We really need your
> decision on this. I am asking you to vote FOR it BUT I want you to read it
> though it and hopefully you will agree.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vote-vote-vote |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
(WARNING: extreme sarcasm and fun-poking at strongly held religious
political beliefs. Read at your own risk.)
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> */This is for all you RPA members in the SE. Harry (Bam Bam) Dutson
> assigned me the as "AK" to get to you guys to vote. Check out the new
> proposed By-Laws on the RPA (www.Flyredstar.org
> <http://www.Flyredstar.org>) web site. Than get your butts in gear and
> vote. /*
My experience with groups is that once they get "organized" and people
start voting, there is a small cadre of people who end up running
things, people who are more interested in the organization than in what
it set out to do in the first place.
> */We are nearing the end of the voting period (12/31) and so far the
> votes slow coming in.
Ah, maybe there is hope after all. ;-)
> We really need as an association to know where we are going
Let's see, I would like to go to OSH and Lakeland. I might show up at
All Red Star but they might not let me play unless I agree to all their
rules and pay them money. I have been thinking of doing another Atlantic
crossing but need something with longer legs. Oh, I think I will go to
Yosemite and the Grand Canyon. I have never been to Yellowstone so I
should go there too.
I will probably go fly some form with some of the guys around here (if
they will let me if I am not wearing a poopy suit). I will be doing some
acro too.
Oh! And I am going to go teach some people how to fly. Maybe if enough
people know and love flying the other people, the ones in organizations,
will take them seriously and perhaps leave them alone.
> and to do that we know to know if you guys & gals will approve
> or disapprove the proposed by-laws.
How will the by-laws make flying better?
> It only takes a short time to vote
> over the web site. PLEASE do not make me call you indiviually. /*
And how will these by-laws help us operate or maintain our aircraft?
> */The BoD put a lot of effort into formulating these by-laws. There was
> differences of opinions on how the association should be run but it was
> in the details not in the idea that RPA will benefit from the regional
> representative concept.
Oh boy! Not only an organization but a hierarchical organization! Now we
can have both important and *more* important people. Where would
organizational structure be without gradations of importantness?
> That is what most of the change is about. We
> really need your decision on this. I am asking you to vote FOR it BUT I
> want you to read it though it and hopefully you will agree./*
Oh, I do agree. I think that all the people who want an organization
should be in one. OTOH, organizations tend to take on a life of their
own independent of what they originally set out to do. I think you will
find that the people who really make a difference to your flying, as in
"make it better", do so without any organization. About the only reason
I can see an organization really making a difference is in dealing with
other organizations (like the FAA, DHS, TSA, etc.). But we have AOPA and
EAA doing that and they are getting pretty good at it.
My apologies for being such a curmudgeon. Sometimes in the morning I get
a severe recurring bout of libertarianism which causes me to question
democracy.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Just received my copy of One Six Right DVD.
Absolutely OUTSTANDING!
One Six Right is a must see video for all aviators. Congratulations to the entire
crew that put that video together.
If you don't already know where to get it go to www.onesixright.com.
This film really makes me proud to be a pilot and part of the aviation community.
God Bless all aviators.
tc
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| Subject: | scoop to fix exhaust smell |
I think I have a cheap fix for the exhaust smell on a CJ. A reverse
scoop in place of the panel over the header fuel tank on the belly.
This is a screw on panel with no mods to the A/C. It creates a large
low pressure in the header tank bay. This bay has two large holes in
for the copilot seat up/down seat adjustment. The panel is fiberglass
with black carbon fiber around the screw edges. Test flown out to
370k and acro. Close trail wingman sees no flutter. Front vent open,
this thing flows a lot of air and there is no exhaust smell. Side
vent open there is lots of exhaust. Fresh air from the front air vent
now seems to make it to the back This might make it cooler in summer
while leaving the side vent closed.I have no CO meter just my nose.
Price is $110 plus shipping. Pictures attached. This about cost. The
fiberglass guy is willing to do them as long as the temporary mold
lasts as a favor plus a Yak ride once and while. If there is
interest he will make up a batch. Edge holes undrilled since each A/
C is slightly different on the nut plates. Painted in epoxy to seal
for oil. There is got to be more drag but I can't tell it from the
gps ground speed or climb.
=EF=BF=BC=EF=BF=BC=EF=BF=BC
ron wasson
ronwasson@mindspring.com
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| Subject: | Re: Vote-vote-vote |
Brian; I generally view your comments as "self serving" and boring. But after
review of your most recent observations (below); I think I could learn to like
you. But it might take a real effort and may be worth it. rb
Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote: --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian
Lloyd
(WARNING: extreme sarcasm and fun-poking at strongly held religious
political beliefs. Read at your own risk.)
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> */This is for all you RPA members in the SE. Harry (Bam Bam) Dutson
> assigned me the as "AK" to get to you guys to vote. Check out the new
> proposed By-Laws on the RPA (www.Flyredstar.org
> ) web site. Than get your butts in gear and
> vote. /*
My experience with groups is that once they get "organized" and people
start voting, there is a small cadre of people who end up running
things, people who are more interested in the organization than in what
it set out to do in the first place.
> */We are nearing the end of the voting period (12/31) and so far the
> votes slow coming in.
Ah, maybe there is hope after all. ;-)
> We really need as an association to know where we are going
Let's see, I would like to go to OSH and Lakeland. I might show up at
All Red Star but they might not let me play unless I agree to all their
rules and pay them money. I have been thinking of doing another Atlantic
crossing but need something with longer legs. Oh, I think I will go to
Yosemite and the Grand Canyon. I have never been to Yellowstone so I
should go there too.
I will probably go fly some form with some of the guys around here (if
they will let me if I am not wearing a poopy suit). I will be doing some
acro too.
Oh! And I am going to go teach some people how to fly. Maybe if enough
people know and love flying the other people, the ones in organizations,
will take them seriously and perhaps leave them alone.
> and to do that we know to know if you guys & gals will approve
> or disapprove the proposed by-laws.
How will the by-laws make flying better?
> It only takes a short time to vote
> over the web site. PLEASE do not make me call you indiviually. /*
And how will these by-laws help us operate or maintain our aircraft?
> */The BoD put a lot of effort into formulating these by-laws. There was
> differences of opinions on how the association should be run but it was
> in the details not in the idea that RPA will benefit from the regional
> representative concept.
Oh boy! Not only an organization but a hierarchical organization! Now we
can have both important and *more* important people. Where would
organizational structure be without gradations of importantness?
> That is what most of the change is about. We
> really need your decision on this. I am asking you to vote FOR it BUT I
> want you to read it though it and hopefully you will agree./*
Oh, I do agree. I think that all the people who want an organization
should be in one. OTOH, organizations tend to take on a life of their
own independent of what they originally set out to do. I think you will
find that the people who really make a difference to your flying, as in
"make it better", do so without any organization. About the only reason
I can see an organization really making a difference is in dealing with
other organizations (like the FAA, DHS, TSA, etc.). But we have AOPA and
EAA doing that and they are getting pretty good at it.
My apologies for being such a curmudgeon. Sometimes in the morning I get
a severe recurring bout of libertarianism which causes me to question
democracy.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | scoop to fox exhaust smell |
I think I have a cheap fix for the exhaust smell on a CJ. A reverse
scoop in place of the panel over the header fuel tank on the belly.
This is a screw on panel with no mods to the A/C. It creates a large
low pressure in the header tank bay. This bay has two large holes in
for the copilot seat up/down seat adjustment. The panel is fiberglass
with black carbon fiber around the screw edges. Test flown out to
370k and acro. Close trail wingman sees no flutter. Front vent open,
this thing flows a lot of air and there is no exhaust smell. Side
vent open there is lots of exhaust. Fresh air from the front air vent
now seems to make it to the back This might make it cooler in summer
while leaving the side vent closed.I have no CO meter just my nose.
Price is $110 plus shipping. Pictures attached. This about cost. The
fiberglass guy is willing to do them as long as the temporary mold
lasts as a favor plus a Yak ride once and while. If there is
interest he will make up a batch. Edge holes undrilled since each A/
C is slightly different on the nut plates. Painted in epoxy to seal
for oil. There is got to be more drag but I can't tell it from the
gps ground speed or climb.
=EF=BF=BC=EF=BF=BC=EF=BF=BC
ron wasson
ronwasson@mindspring.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
(WARNING: extreme sarcasm and fun-poking at strongly held religious
political beliefs. Read at your own risk.)
Having known you Brain for a good many years, I know you woke up this
morning having not gotten any last night and are therefore a bit crotchety.
But I
need to reply while you're in a weaken condition! :-)
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> */This is for all you RPA members in the SE. Harry (Bam Bam) Dutson
> assigned me the as "AK" to get to you guys to vote. Check out the new
> proposed By-Laws on the RPA (www.Flyredstar.org
> <http://www.Flyredstar.org>) web site. Than get your butts in gear and
> vote. /*
My experience with groups is that once they get "organized" and people
start voting, there is a small cadre of people who end up running
things, people who are more interested in the organization than in what
it set out to do in the first place.
First of all Redstar is already "organized". Have been a 501 3c
organization for several years now and set up by Mike Filucci. This means IF
you do
anything for RPA - it is tax deductible. And, this is a change in by-laws, not
a new organization.
Second all but two people (that includes me) leave the BoD this year and the
office of president is open too.
> */We are nearing the end of the voting period (12/31) and so far the
> votes slow coming in.
Ah, maybe there is hope after all. ;-)
Are you still member? If not - why worry?
> We really need as an association to know where we are going
Let's see, I would like to go to OSH and Lakeland. I might show up at
All Red Star but they might not let me play unless I agree to all their
rules and pay them money. I have been thinking of doing another Atlantic
crossing but need something with longer legs. Oh, I think I will go to
Yosemite and the Grand Canyon. I have never been to Yellowstone so I
should go there too.
Gee I think you took this out of content or most likely I just wrote it
wrong. IF the by-law change is voted down we go back to the old system. If the
propose By-laws are passed than the organization set it self up to have
regional repersentives on the BoD. We, the present BoD, need to know which way
the membership wants to go. That simple.
I will probably go fly some form with some of the guys around here (if
they will let me if I am not wearing a poopy suit). I will be doing some
acro too.
Oh! And I am going to go teach some people how to fly. Maybe if enough
people know and love flying the other people, the ones in organizations,
will take them seriously and perhaps leave them alone.
> and to do that we know to know if you guys & gals will approve
> or disapprove the proposed by-laws.
How will the by-laws make flying better?
The only rules that can't be violated of the rules of physics and
aerodynamics. Its a rhetorical question. By-laws have nothing to do with how
to
operate an airplane but how a group of people will run an organization.
> It only takes a short time to vote
> over the web site. PLEASE do not make me call you individually. /*
And how will these by-laws help us operate or maintain our aircraft?
NO - that is, AND always has been the responsibility of the pilot/owner.
This and any other organization can put out all the info in the world on the
how's and therefore's of aviating and "if the horse don't drink what good is
the troth?"
> */The BoD put a lot of effort into formulating these by-laws. There was
> differences of opinions on how the association should be run but it was
> in the details not in the idea that RPA will benefit from the regional
> representative concept.
Oh boy! Not only an organization but a hierarchical organization! Now we
can have both important and *more* important people. Where would
organizational structure be without gradations of importantness?
How can you say that? Right now the BoD is made of 6 folks mostly (4) from
the east coast. The president Drew, lives in MIA. The new by-laws change the
BoD to REGIONAL representation. If approved by the membership, you will
have a guy/gal representing you from your neck of the woods. The members in
YOUR area choose whom to put on the BoD. How in hell can that be hierarchical?
The propose by-law change has 6 regional representives and two 'at large'
for the new BoD.
> That is what most of the change is about. We
> really need your decision on this. I am asking you to vote FOR it BUT I
> want you to read it though it and hopefully you will agree./*
Oh, I do agree. I think that all the people who want an organization
should be in one. OTOH, organizations tend to take on a life of their
own independent of what they originally set out to do. I think you will
find that the people who really make a difference to your flying, as in
"make it better", do so without any organization. About the only reason
I can see an organization really making a difference is in dealing with
other organizations (like the FAA, DHS, TSA, etc.). But we have AOPA and
EAA doing that and they are getting pretty good at it.
I tend to disagree with you. If you want to hang with you 'buds' around you
local airport, You are correct. But the EAA and AOPA will be listening to
the different organizations a lot closer on issues that pertain to them. One
T-34 guy did not make as much noise as the T-34 Association did, when came to
the spar issue. And when it comes to airshow formations, the airboss is
going to be dealing with NATA, T-34 Association, JLOC and RPA, - - not 'Joe
Pilot in N 1234'. He is bound by the FAA and the FAA knows our programs (under
F.A.S.T.) and have accepted and approve our standards. We hand out the
tickets.
I just had a very interesting lunch with a FAA (MCOFSDO) guy. It seem Emery
Rittle wanted a acro box so they could start a Part 141 program to train
airshow acro performers. The FAA guy told them it was a waste of time but they
wanted it and so they gave it to them. BUT ICAS and its ACE program
determines who gets the airshow low altitude waivers NOT the FAA. The 'college'
was
nift when their "graduates' were not allowed to perform at airshows UNLESS
they got an ACE waiver even though their students paid big money for a Part 141
program and graduated. This says something about the academia don't it?
My apologies for being such a curmudgeon. Sometimes in the morning I get
a severe recurring bout of libertarianism which causes me to question
democracy.
I am very libertarian most of the time. But where does libertarian end and
anarchism begin? Every one of the BoD members I KNOW have never received one
red cent from the cougher of RPA. I (and I'm proud of this) just spent $435
of my own money, to represent RPA at ICAS. If this program comes about a
number of our members (ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY) will be able to get some FREE
flying. To go to an airshow, have a good time with fellow members and have
most of their expenses paid for.
Plus my fellow members IF and I do mean IF we are able to pull though a
sponsor ship or two, that we are working on, the members will be able to have
some more freebies. Now does that make your flying at least a little better?
All this comes down the people we have in association. I have not meant one
who was (or is) the perfect ass hole. No matter what their up bring has
been, I have always found decent folk. That includes you Brain, you sweet,
tall, cow hat wearing, libertarian curmudgeon aviator you! ;-)
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
Brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | scoop to fix exhaust smell |
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I think I have a cheap fix for the exhaust smell on a CJ. A reverse
scoop in place of the panel over the header fuel tank on the belly.
This is a screw on panel with no mods to the A/C. It creates a large
low pressure in the header tank bay. This bay has two large holes in
top for the copilot seat up/down adjustment. The panel is fiberglass
with black carbon fiber around the screw edges. Test flown out to
370k and acro. Close trail wingman sees no flutter. Front vent open,
this thing flows a lot of air and there is no exhaust smell. Side
vent open there is lots of exhaust. Fresh air from the front air vent
now seems to make it to the back This might make it cooler in summer
while leaving the side vent closed.I have no CO meter just my nose.
Price is $110 plus shipping.This about cost. Pictures on request as
I can't seem to attach them. The fiberglass guy is willing to do
them as long as the temporary mold lasts as a favor plus a Yak ride
once and while. If there is interest he will make up a batch. Edge
holes undrilled since each A/C is slightly different on the nut
plates. Painted in epoxy to seal for oil. There is got to be more
drag but I can't tell it from the gps ground speed or climb.
ron wasson
ronwasson@mindspring.com
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| Subject: | Re: vote vote vote. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <mjbjhf@charter.net>
(laughs very Hard)
(laughs very Hard)
(laughs very Hard)
I only got on the list about a week ago, and I have to admit it makes for some
very intresting reading.
"Pappy" it was great to meet you at CDN for the Cellebrate Freedom Festival. Brian
hope to meet up with you one day, hope to have the CJ back up and running
soon thanks to Doug.
Michael Bolton
>
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Date: 2005/12/10 Sat PM 09:38:20 EST
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: vote vote vote.
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> (WARNING: extreme sarcasm and fun-poking at strongly held religious
> political beliefs. Read at your own risk.)
>
> Having known you Brain for a good many years, I know you woke up this
> morning having not gotten any last night and are therefore a bit crotchety.
But I
> need to reply while you're in a weaken condition! :-)
>
> cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>
> > */This is for all you RPA members in the SE. Harry (Bam Bam) Dutson
> > assigned me the as "AK" to get to you guys to vote. Check out the new
> > proposed By-Laws on the RPA (www.Flyredstar.org
> > <http://www.Flyredstar.org>) web site. Than get your butts in gear and
> > vote. /*
>
> My experience with groups is that once they get "organized" and people
> start voting, there is a small cadre of people who end up running
> things, people who are more interested in the organization than in what
> it set out to do in the first place.
>
> First of all Redstar is already "organized". Have been a 501 3c
> organization for several years now and set up by Mike Filucci. This means IF
you do
> anything for RPA - it is tax deductible. And, this is a change in by-laws,
not
> a new organization.
>
> Second all but two people (that includes me) leave the BoD this year and the
> office of president is open too.
>
>
>
> > */We are nearing the end of the voting period (12/31) and so far the
> > votes slow coming in.
>
> Ah, maybe there is hope after all. ;-)
>
> Are you still member? If not - why worry?
>
> > We really need as an association to know where we are going
>
> Let's see, I would like to go to OSH and Lakeland. I might show up at
> All Red Star but they might not let me play unless I agree to all their
> rules and pay them money. I have been thinking of doing another Atlantic
> crossing but need something with longer legs. Oh, I think I will go to
> Yosemite and the Grand Canyon. I have never been to Yellowstone so I
> should go there too.
>
> Gee I think you took this out of content or most likely I just wrote it
> wrong. IF the by-law change is voted down we go back to the old system. If
the
> propose By-laws are passed than the organization set it self up to have
> regional repersentives on the BoD. We, the present BoD, need to know which
way
> the membership wants to go. That simple.
>
>
> I will probably go fly some form with some of the guys around here (if
> they will let me if I am not wearing a poopy suit). I will be doing some
> acro too.
>
> Oh! And I am going to go teach some people how to fly. Maybe if enough
> people know and love flying the other people, the ones in organizations,
> will take them seriously and perhaps leave them alone.
>
>
>
> > and to do that we know to know if you guys & gals will approve
> > or disapprove the proposed by-laws.
>
> How will the by-laws make flying better?
>
> The only rules that can't be violated of the rules of physics and
> aerodynamics. Its a rhetorical question. By-laws have nothing to do with how
to
> operate an airplane but how a group of people will run an organization.
>
> > It only takes a short time to vote
> > over the web site. PLEASE do not make me call you individually. /*
>
> And how will these by-laws help us operate or maintain our aircraft?
>
> NO - that is, AND always has been the responsibility of the pilot/owner.
> This and any other organization can put out all the info in the world on the
> how's and therefore's of aviating and "if the horse don't drink what good is
> the troth?"
>
> > */The BoD put a lot of effort into formulating these by-laws. There was
> > differences of opinions on how the association should be run but it was
> > in the details not in the idea that RPA will benefit from the regional
> > representative concept.
>
> Oh boy! Not only an organization but a hierarchical organization! Now we
> can have both important and *more* important people. Where would
> organizational structure be without gradations of importantness?
>
> How can you say that? Right now the BoD is made of 6 folks mostly (4) from
> the east coast. The president Drew, lives in MIA. The new by-laws change the
> BoD to REGIONAL representation. If approved by the membership, you will
> have a guy/gal representing you from your neck of the woods. The members in
> YOUR area choose whom to put on the BoD. How in hell can that be hierarchical?
> The propose by-law change has 6 regional representives and two 'at large'
> for the new BoD.
>
>
> > That is what most of the change is about. We
> > really need your decision on this. I am asking you to vote FOR it BUT I
> > want you to read it though it and hopefully you will agree./*
>
> Oh, I do agree. I think that all the people who want an organization
> should be in one. OTOH, organizations tend to take on a life of their
> own independent of what they originally set out to do. I think you will
> find that the people who really make a difference to your flying, as in
> "make it better", do so without any organization. About the only reason
> I can see an organization really making a difference is in dealing with
> other organizations (like the FAA, DHS, TSA, etc.). But we have AOPA and
> EAA doing that and they are getting pretty good at it.
>
> I tend to disagree with you. If you want to hang with you 'buds' around you
> local airport, You are correct. But the EAA and AOPA will be listening to
> the different organizations a lot closer on issues that pertain to them. One
> T-34 guy did not make as much noise as the T-34 Association did, when came to
> the spar issue. And when it comes to airshow formations, the airboss is
> going to be dealing with NATA, T-34 Association, JLOC and RPA, - - not 'Joe
> Pilot in N 1234'. He is bound by the FAA and the FAA knows our programs (under
> F.A.S.T.) and have accepted and approve our standards. We hand out the
> tickets.
>
> I just had a very interesting lunch with a FAA (MCOFSDO) guy. It seem Emery
> Rittle wanted a acro box so they could start a Part 141 program to train
> airshow acro performers. The FAA guy told them it was a waste of time but they
> wanted it and so they gave it to them. BUT ICAS and its ACE program
> determines who gets the airshow low altitude waivers NOT the FAA. The 'college'
was
> nift when their "graduates' were not allowed to perform at airshows UNLESS
> they got an ACE waiver even though their students paid big money for a Part
141
> program and graduated. This says something about the academia don't it?
>
> My apologies for being such a curmudgeon. Sometimes in the morning I get
> a severe recurring bout of libertarianism which causes me to question
> democracy.
>
> I am very libertarian most of the time. But where does libertarian end and
> anarchism begin? Every one of the BoD members I KNOW have never received one
> red cent from the cougher of RPA. I (and I'm proud of this) just spent $435
> of my own money, to represent RPA at ICAS. If this program comes about a
> number of our members (ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY) will be able to get some FREE
> flying. To go to an airshow, have a good time with fellow members and have
> most of their expenses paid for.
>
> Plus my fellow members IF and I do mean IF we are able to pull though a
> sponsor ship or two, that we are working on, the members will be able to have
> some more freebies. Now does that make your flying at least a little better?
>
> All this comes down the people we have in association. I have not meant one
> who was (or is) the perfect ass hole. No matter what their up bring has
> been, I have always found decent folk. That includes you Brain, you sweet,
> tall, cow hat wearing, libertarian curmudgeon aviator you! ;-)
>
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> Brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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