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1. 01:57 AM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Drew Blahnick)
2. 04:27 AM - Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell (Craig Payne)
3. 07:18 AM - FYI Crowder X Plane (John E. Lansden)
4. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell (ron wasson)
5. 09:45 AM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (DaBear)
6. 10:36 AM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Ernest Martinez)
7. 10:58 AM - Re: vote-vote-vote (Barry Hancock)
8. 11:04 AM - Bylaw change support (Barry Hancock)
9. 11:04 AM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Doug Sapp)
10. 11:10 AM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Ernest Martinez)
11. 11:58 AM - Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell (Walter Lannon)
12. 12:12 PM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Stephen Fox)
13. 12:14 PM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Drew Blahnick)
14. 12:23 PM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Ernest Martinez)
15. 01:26 PM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (DaBear)
16. 01:30 PM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (DaBear)
17. 03:08 PM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (cgalley)
18. 07:55 PM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Matt Dralle)
19. 08:36 PM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Brian Lloyd)
20. 10:05 PM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Brian Lloyd)
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| Subject: | Re: Vote-vote-vote |
Folks,
Vote on the by-laws if you are a RPA member.
There is so many cracks in Loyds bulls--it post I don't want to waste the time
to list them, but I suspect anyone can see them.
Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only, do so,
the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the association, attend the events,
help your fellow pilots at such events, volunteer where needed, send "there
I was" articles to inform others, be good aviators to your neighbors and
enjoy this opportunity...
And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to be a checkairman
in this organization,
I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air Force career,
I would always take team players pushing for a good cause over one sour puss
with an ulterior motive behind his own seemingly altruistic drive for exerting
"knowledge"...
If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish you luck in
life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the same group and welcome...
Meanwhile the RPA is busting it's a-- right now to give you a next generation
website, recruiting volunteers to help publish your stories for all to read,
get your local choice on the board in 2006, expand events in places they have
never been, field and manage a complex airshow demo program (thanks to Jeff, terry,
Jim and Zoe, as well as all 56 team members who signed up) and bring in
sponsors to help cover costs.
I lost my financial ability to fly my private warbird almost 2 years ago as an
airline pilot with a legacy carrier, but heck if I'm giving up on this group,
in life, dreams are long term or no term...
Ask me what you want in this association, and if you are willing to commit time
with me and others, I will work with you, otherwise, you know my opinion...
If you want to be on the web development team, or an opinion as an end user,
our coders are making mock ups now and need your input, if you can help on the
electronic newsletter publishing team, your fellow pilots need you, if you can
help flush out an event crew, your buds need you, if you can negotiate well,
the corporate sponsorship committee is looking for you, if you can judge and
score fairly, become a formation team challenge judge or a judge for best in show
or other individual/team performance competition at the next event, if you're
an A&P, or a technical expert on the Yak, CJ or AV, help the assoc build up
its maintenance document library on the new website-or help publish more technical
newsletters like the suggested "Metric" Bulletin, if you are a web coder
by trade, help us use web technology to provide improved services for the your
fellow pilots (I could use a guy who can quickly "Form Code" for either opt-in
or email delivery format right now),
Feel free to email me directly off list, the new website comes out in Feb and,
assuming enough members vote and the By-Laws pass, send me, off list, anyones
name & contact for NW, SW, NC, SC, NE, SE regional board of director nominations
- those by-laws mandate an immediate selection of 6 regional directors via
regional elections - that's local elections - and I'm looking for action oriented
directors and I know so are you...
Fly safe, fly often
Drew
Drew Blahnick
RPA
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| Subject: | Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell |
Should work, we are talking about a CJ right? It has been attested to, here on
the 'list that the Yak-52 has no such issues. Instead of spending $110 one could
also spend a few pennies worth of aluminum and rivets to do the same thing
with the panel under the emergency air bottle. See my last picture post: matronics/photoshare/cpayne@joimail.com.11.08.2005/
. Add a pair of $10 louvered panels
in the aft fuselage to reduce "back flow" and you get reasonable venting
in cruise.
While not much will help at higher angles of attack, adding 3" exhaust tip extensions
helps keep the fumes down lower in the slipstream and the belly cleaner.
Be sure and seal up exhaust clamp leaks, holes in the firewall, wheel wells,
etc.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | FYI Crowder X Plane |
Crowder's X Plane never quite made it to flying status. It is still sitting in
his hangar completely appart.
He mated the wings once, but took them off when he needed the hangar space. It
was just one of those projects took lots of time and money and was shelved when
he needed to pay the bills.
Crowders estate has lots of Yak 52 parts that may be for sale in coming months.
I will notify the Yak list when this happens. Sorry no spinners! His estate has
not been settled yet. He spent his last 30 Days in ICU on a heart/lung machine.
It was a year this month.
John E. Lansden
Aero Country Airport (T31)
10050 Phantom Txwy
McKinney, TX 75071-6555
email: johnlans@intergate.com
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| Subject: | Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell |
Tried leaving the door half open with the swing over latch on the
door below the air bottle. It just didn't move enough air. The CJ has
a lot volume and it needs big flow. If you make it I will try it.
ron wasson
ronwasson@mindspring.com
On Dec 11, 2005, at 6:26 AM, Craig Payne wrote:
>
> Should work, we are talking about a CJ right? It has been attested
> to, here on the 'list that the Yak-52 has no such issues. Instead
> of spending $110 one could also spend a few pennies worth of
> aluminum and rivets to do the same thing with the panel under the
> emergency air bottle. See my last picture post: matronics/
> photoshare/cpayne@joimail.com.11.08.2005/ . Add a pair of $10
> louvered panels in the aft fuselage to reduce "back flow" and you
> get reasonable venting in cruise.
>
> While not much will help at higher angles of attack, adding 3"
> exhaust tip extensions helps keep the fumes down lower in the
> slipstream and the belly cleaner. Be sure and seal up exhaust clamp
> leaks, holes in the firewall, wheel wells, etc.
>
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
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Jim Goolsby <cjpilot710@aol.com>, Harry Dudson <orthopilot@msn.com>,
bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com, Charlie Lynch <lynch@netjets.com>,
Dee Grim <deegrimm@cox.net>, Skip Slyfield <Cj6sly@cs.com>
| Subject: | Re: Vote-vote-vote |
--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Members,
Your vote on the by-laws count, even if you don't vote. Voting for the
bylaws requires action (vote). You can vote against the bylaws by
voting or not voting as passage requires 2/3rd majority to approve.
This is your association, please vote. I recommend voting against the
bylaws, but either way, please vote.
Drew,
Pile your BS somewhere else. Brian doesn't deserve your personal
attacks because he didn't attack you. Always remember, he who is
without sin, can cast the first stone. Well, I'm not without sin, but
I'll not see you fling your BS and let it appear that you are above anyone.
1. Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
helping the membership.
2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
other members, that have yet to materialize.
3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key values
to the membership)
4. We have lost total membership
5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
accounting.
6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on spending
and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
requested many many times)
7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you have
now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the election.
Don't go flinging personal attacks because someone disagrees with your
point of view. You stated you were looking at stepping down after your
bylaws were approved. I can't wait. Your leadership sucks, your
communication style sucks, and your personal integrity sucks. The
membership of this organization deserves better than you are delivering.
To the membership, you deserve better than I've have been giving as
well. Therefore, as of this point in time, I resign from the BoD. I'm
sorry.
A.R. DeVere
Drew Blahnick wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Vote on the by-laws if you are a RPA member.
>
> There is so many cracks in Loyds bulls--it post I don't want to waste
> the time to list them, but I suspect anyone can see them.
>
> Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only,
> do so, the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the
> association, attend the events, help your fellow pilots at such
> events, volunteer where needed, send "there I was" articles to inform
> others, be good aviators to your neighbors and enjoy this opportunity...
>
> And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to be a
> checkairman in this organization,
>
> I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air
> Force career, I would always take team players pushing for a good
> cause over one sour puss with an ulterior motive behind his own
> seemingly altruistic drive for exerting "knowledge"...
>
> If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish you
> luck in life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the same
> group and welcome...
>
> Meanwhile the RPA is busting it's a-- right now to give you a next
> generation website, recruiting volunteers to help publish your stories
> for all to read, get your local choice on the board in 2006, expand
> events in places they have never been, field and manage a complex
> airshow demo program (thanks to Jeff, terry, Jim and Zoe, as well as
> all 56 team members who signed up) and bring in sponsors to help cover
> costs.
>
> I lost my financial ability to fly my private warbird almost 2 years
> ago as an airline pilot with a legacy carrier, but heck if I'm giving
> up on this group, in life, dreams are long term or no term...
>
> Ask me what you want in thi s association, and if you are willing to
> commit time with me and others, I will work with you, otherwise, you
> know my opinion...
>
> If you want to be on the web development team, or an opinion as an end
> user, our coders are making mock ups now and need your input, if you
> can help on the electronic newsletter publishing team, your
> fellow pilots need you, if you can help flush out an event crew, your
> buds need you, if you can negotiate well, the corporate sponsorship
> committee is looking for you, if you can judge and score fairly,
> become a formation team challenge judge or a judge for best in show or
> other individual/team performance competition at the next event, if
> you're an A&P, or a technical expert on the Yak, CJ or AV, help the
> assoc build up its maintenance document library on the new website-or
> help publish more technical newsletters like the suggested "Metric"
> Bulletin, if you are a web coder by trade, help us use web technology
> to provide improved services for the your fellow pilots (I could use
> a guy who can quickly "Form Code" for either opt-in or email
> delivery format right now),
>
> Feel free to email me directly off list, the new website comes out in
> Feb and, assuming enough members vote and the By-Laws pass, send me,
> off list, anyones name & contact for NW, SW, NC, SC, NE, SE regional
> board of director nominations - those by-laws mandate an immediate
> selection of 6 regional directors via regional elections - that's
> local elections - and I'm looking for action oriented directors and I
> know so are you...
>
>
> Fly safe, fly often
>
> Drew
>
> Drew Blahnick
> RPA
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vote-vote-vote |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Well this has degraded into a shit slinging contest :)
Sounds like an opportunity for me :)
While we're bitchin, I would like to voice that a little too much time
and emphasis has been put into a website that no one uses, and I tend
to share Dabear's contention that the co-mingling of All RedStar and
RPA at the very least hints at a conflict of interest.
Apprarently there are more substantive issues being left unresolved on
the table than just the issues being addressed in this vote. Not being
an RPA muckity muck, I'm not really privy to the close door
discussions that occur in the BoD so I may be off base here, but then
maybe this lack of knowledge of what really is going on in the BoD is
an issue also. Its apparent that there are real divisions within our
leadership as it stands which I was not aware of, and most probably
the rest of the organisation is just as clueless.
If our current small system is broken, how could we even consider an
expansion of the leadership. I already voted, but blindly I must
admit. I had no idea of the hard feelings within the leadership.
Ernie
On 12/11/05, DaBear <dabear@damned.org> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>
> Members,
>
> Your vote on the by-laws count, even if you don't vote. Voting for the
> bylaws requires action (vote). You can vote against the bylaws by
> voting or not voting as passage requires 2/3rd majority to approve.
> This is your association, please vote. I recommend voting against the
> bylaws, but either way, please vote.
>
> Drew,
>
> Pile your BS somewhere else. Brian doesn't deserve your personal
> attacks because he didn't attack you. Always remember, he who is
> without sin, can cast the first stone. Well, I'm not without sin, but
> I'll not see you fling your BS and let it appear that you are above anyone.
>
> 1. Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
> had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
> helping the membership.
> 2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
> other members, that have yet to materialize.
> 3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key values
> to the membership)
> 4. We have lost total membership
> 5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
> organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
> accounting.
> 6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on spending
> and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
> requested many many times)
> 7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
> sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
> 8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
> year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
> Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you have
> now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
> important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the election.
>
> Don't go flinging personal attacks because someone disagrees with your
> point of view. You stated you were looking at stepping down after your
> bylaws were approved. I can't wait. Your leadership sucks, your
> communication style sucks, and your personal integrity sucks. The
> membership of this organization deserves better than you are delivering.
>
> To the membership, you deserve better than I've have been giving as
> well. Therefore, as of this point in time, I resign from the BoD. I'm
> sorry.
>
>
> A.R. DeVere
>
>
> Drew Blahnick wrote:
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > Vote on the by-laws if you are a RPA member.
> >
> > There is so many cracks in Loyds bulls--it post I don't want to waste
> > the time to list them, but I suspect anyone can see them.
> >
> > Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only,
> > do so, the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the
> > association, attend the events, help your fellow pilots at such
> > events, volunteer where needed, send "there I was" articles to inform
> > others, be good aviators to your neighbors and enjoy this opportunity...
> >
> > And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to be a
> > checkairman in this organization,
> >
> > I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air
> > Force career, I would always take team players pushing for a good
> > cause over one sour puss with an ulterior motive behind his own
> > seemingly altruistic drive for exerting "knowledge"...
> >
> > If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish you
> > luck in life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the same
> > group and welcome...
> >
> > Meanwhile the RPA is busting it's a-- right now to give you a next
> > generation website, recruiting volunteers to help publish your stories
> > for all to read, get your local choice on the board in 2006, expand
> > events in places they have never been, field and manage a complex
> > airshow demo program (thanks to Jeff, terry, Jim and Zoe, as well as
> > all 56 team members who signed up) and bring in sponsors to help cover
> > costs.
> >
> > I lost my financial ability to fly my private warbird almost 2 years
> > ago as an airline pilot with a legacy carrier, but heck if I'm giving
> > up on this group, in life, dreams are long term or no term...
> >
> > Ask me what you want in thi s association, and if you are willing to
> > commit time with me and others, I will work with you, otherwise, you
> > know my opinion...
> >
> > If you want to be on the web development team, or an opinion as an end
> > user, our coders are making mock ups now and need your input, if you
> > can help on the electronic newsletter publishing team, your
> > fellow pilots need you, if you can help flush out an event crew, your
> > buds need you, if you can negotiate well, the corporate sponsorship
> > committee is looking for you, if you can judge and score fairly,
> > become a formation team challenge judge or a judge for best in show or
> > other individual/team performance competition at the next event, if
> > you're an A&P, or a technical expert on the Yak, CJ or AV, help the
> > assoc build up its maintenance document library on the new website-or
> > help publish more technical newsletters like the suggested "Metric"
> > Bulletin, if you are a web coder by trade, help us use web technology
> > to provide improved services for the your fellow pilots (I could use
> > a guy who can quickly "Form Code" for either opt-in or email
> > delivery format right now),
> >
> > Feel free to email me directly off list, the new website comes out in
> > Feb and, assuming enough members vote and the By-Laws pass, send me,
> > off list, anyones name & contact for NW, SW, NC, SC, NE, SE regional
> > board of director nominations - those by-laws mandate an immediate
> > selection of 6 regional directors via regional elections - that's
> > local elections - and I'm looking for action oriented directors and I
> > know so are you...
> >
> >
> > Fly safe, fly often
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > Drew Blahnick
> > RPA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: vote-vote-vote |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
Al, and listers,
First of all, I find it totally inappropriate and unprofessional as a
Board Member to address personal differences with the president of the
association publicly. Until one has resigned and that resignation
accepted by the board, one is still an official representative of the
association.
A post like this is nothing but self-serving and does nothing to
enhance or promote the association. If one's true concern is the
betterment of the association, then they will act in accordance with
that concern.
> I recommend voting against the
> bylaws, but either way, please vote.
Voting is important. It is also important to know someone's rationale
for their vote, particularly BoD members. I have outlined my reasons
for approving the proposed bylaws in a letter to the people in my
region. Perhaps I should post that here as well....
>
> Drew,
>
> Pile your BS somewhere else. Brian doesn't deserve your personal
> attacks because he didn't attack you.
> Always remember, he who is
> without sin, can cast the first stone. Well, I'm not without sin, but
> I'll not see you fling your BS and let it appear that you are above
> anyone.
>
> 1. Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
> had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
> helping the membership.
> 2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
> other members, that have yet to materialize.
> 3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key values
> to the membership)
> 4. We have lost total membership
> 5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
> organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
> accounting.
> 6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on spending
> and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
> requested many many times)
> 7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
> sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
> 8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
> year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
> Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you have
> now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
> important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the
> election.
I'm sure Drew will address all of this. My only comment is there is a
lot of suggestion in your above comments that I find appalling.
>
> Don't go flinging personal attacks because someone disagrees with your
> point of view.
Perhaps you would to well to heed your own advice.
> You stated you were looking at stepping down after your
> bylaws were approved. I can't wait. Your leadership sucks, your
> communication style sucks, and your personal integrity sucks. The
> membership of this organization deserves better than you are
> delivering.
>
> To the membership, you deserve better than I've have been giving as
> well. Therefore, as of this point in time, I resign from the BoD. I'm
> sorry.
I will address the other issues in the email privately. However, for
the record, your resignation is cheerfully accepted as far as I'm
concerned.
Regards,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Western Regional Coordinator
RedStar Pilots Association
(949) 300-5510
www.flyredstar.org
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| Subject: | Bylaw change support |
To listers and all RPA members, below is the outline for my voting
rationale as it relates to the bylaws. Please become informed and make
your own decisions...
Hi,
The future direction and potential for the RPA is now in your hands.
Over the last several months, the RPA BoD has worked hard to develop a
new set of bylaws. These bylaw changes are mainly designed to:
-more effectively represent the body of the membership through the
regionalization of BoD seats, similar to the way that the IAC (the
governing body of sport aerobatics) and other well run non-profit
associations do.
-promote the growth of the association through an engaged local
leadership
-eliminate the current heavy east cost bias in BoD seats
-allow each regions issues to receive appropriate consideration within
the BoD.
The BoD has worked for months to come up with the new bylaws, that were
approved by a 6 to 1 vote. We need a 2/3rds approval from the
membership for these new bylaws to be ratified. That means we need
your vote!
As your representative to the BoD, I urge you to vote "YES!" to insure
that these new bylaws take effect. This will ensure your region is
represented on the BoD and, as a result, also promote the growth of
the association through more local involvement. Before you vote,
however, I encourage you to make an informed decisions by review the
the bylaws, available for download on the home page of
www.flyredstar.org
Once you have done so, you may quickly and painlessly vote by clicking
on the link below. Again, I support the bylaw changes and ask you to
vote "yes" for a better RPA. DO NOT VOTE BY RESPONDING TO THIS
EMAIL!!!
http://www.maildogmanager.com/page.html?
p=000001XDDtjL2K8cMflAFcJ7w16Y4SBs2DSw==
Thanks for your time and being an active member in our association!
If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me directly
at barry@flyredstar.org
Hope you all have a happy holiday season, and a Merry Christmas!
Cheers,
Barry
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Fellow listers,
I will vote when Al's charges are addressed not before, and I would like to
think that all of you that are really giving this some thought and really
care about the future of the organization will do the same. I can see no
reason to rush into this at this late date. Yes, a vote needs to be taken,
but these questions are far more important and should be answered first.
Drew, could you please make this information available to the BoD so we
could get this settled and get on with things?
And Al, would you please delay your resignation until Drew has a chance to
answer the questions?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DaBear
bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com; Charlie Lynch; Dee Grim; Skip Slyfield
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vote-vote-vote
--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Members,
Your vote on the by-laws count, even if you don't vote. Voting for the
bylaws requires action (vote). You can vote against the bylaws by
voting or not voting as passage requires 2/3rd majority to approve.
This is your association, please vote. I recommend voting against the
bylaws, but either way, please vote.
Drew,
Pile your BS somewhere else. Brian doesn't deserve your personal
attacks because he didn't attack you. Always remember, he who is
without sin, can cast the first stone. Well, I'm not without sin, but
I'll not see you fling your BS and let it appear that you are above anyone.
1. Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
helping the membership.
2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
other members, that have yet to materialize.
3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key values
to the membership)
4. We have lost total membership
5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
accounting.
6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on spending
and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
requested many many times)
7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you have
now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the election.
Don't go flinging personal attacks because someone disagrees with your
point of view. You stated you were looking at stepping down after your
bylaws were approved. I can't wait. Your leadership sucks, your
communication style sucks, and your personal integrity sucks. The
membership of this organization deserves better than you are delivering.
To the membership, you deserve better than I've have been giving as
well. Therefore, as of this point in time, I resign from the BoD. I'm
sorry.
A.R. DeVere
Drew Blahnick wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Vote on the by-laws if you are a RPA member.
>
> There is so many cracks in Loyds bulls--it post I don't want to waste
> the time to list them, but I suspect anyone can see them.
>
> Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only,
> do so, the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the
> association, attend the events, help your fellow pilots at such
> events, volunteer where needed, send "there I was" articles to inform
> others, be good aviators to your neighbors and enjoy this opportunity...
>
> And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to be a
> checkairman in this organization,
>
> I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air
> Force career, I would always take team players pushing for a good
> cause over one sour puss with an ulterior motive behind his own
> seemingly altruistic drive for exerting "knowledge"...
>
> If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish you
> luck in life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the same
> group and welcome...
>
> Meanwhile the RPA is busting it's a-- right now to give you a next
> generation website, recruiting volunteers to help publish your stories
> for all to read, get your local choice on the board in 2006, expand
> events in places they have never been, field and manage a complex
> airshow demo program (thanks to Jeff, terry, Jim and Zoe, as well as
> all 56 team members who signed up) and bring in sponsors to help cover
> costs.
>
> I lost my financial ability to fly my private warbird almost 2 years
> ago as an airline pilot with a legacy carrier, but heck if I'm giving
> up on this group, in life, dreams are long term or no term...
>
> Ask me what you want in thi s association, and if you are willing to
> commit time with me and others, I will work with you, otherwise, you
> know my opinion...
>
> If you want to be on the web development team, or an opinion as an end
> user, our coders are making mock ups now and need your input, if you
> can help on the electronic newsletter publishing team, your
> fellow pilots need you, if you can help flush out an event crew, your
> buds need you, if you can negotiate well, the corporate sponsorship
> committee is looking for you, if you can judge and score fairly,
> become a formation team challenge judge or a judge for best in show or
> other individual/team performance competition at the next event, if
> you're an A&P, or a technical expert on the Yak, CJ or AV, help the
> assoc build up its maintenance document library on the new website-or
> help publish more technical newsletters like the suggested "Metric"
> Bulletin, if you are a web coder by trade, help us use web technology
> to provide improved services for the your fellow pilots (I could use
> a guy who can quickly "Form Code" for either opt-in or email
> delivery format right now),
>
> Feel free to email me directly off list, the new website comes out in
> Feb and, assuming enough members vote and the By-Laws pass, send me,
> off list, anyones name & contact for NW, SW, NC, SC, NE, SE regional
> board of director nominations - those by-laws mandate an immediate
> selection of 6 regional directors via regional elections - that's
> local elections - and I'm looking for action oriented directors and I
> know so are you...
>
>
> Fly safe, fly often
>
> Drew
>
> Drew Blahnick
> RPA
>
>
_ylc=X3oDMTE2bzVzaHJtBF9TAzk1OTQ5NjM2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFnBHNsawNob2xpZGF5LTA1%20
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vote-vote-vote |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I'll second that!
Ernie
On 12/11/05, Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Fellow listers,
> I will vote when Al's charges are addressed not before, and I would like to
> think that all of you that are really giving this some thought and really
> care about the future of the organization will do the same. I can see no
> reason to rush into this at this late date. Yes, a vote needs to be taken,
> but these questions are far more important and should be answered first.
> Drew, could you please make this information available to the BoD so we
> could get this settled and get on with things?
>
> And Al, would you please delay your resignation until Drew has a chance to
> answer the questions?
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DaBear
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 9:44 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com; Drew Blahnick; Jim Goolsby; Harry Dudson;
> bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com; Charlie Lynch; Dee Grim; Skip Slyfield
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vote-vote-vote
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>
> Members,
>
> Your vote on the by-laws count, even if you don't vote. Voting for the
> bylaws requires action (vote). You can vote against the bylaws by
> voting or not voting as passage requires 2/3rd majority to approve.
> This is your association, please vote. I recommend voting against the
> bylaws, but either way, please vote.
>
> Drew,
>
> Pile your BS somewhere else. Brian doesn't deserve your personal
> attacks because he didn't attack you. Always remember, he who is
> without sin, can cast the first stone. Well, I'm not without sin, but
> I'll not see you fling your BS and let it appear that you are above anyone.
>
> 1. Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
> had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
> helping the membership.
> 2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
> other members, that have yet to materialize.
> 3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key values
> to the membership)
> 4. We have lost total membership
> 5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
> organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
> accounting.
> 6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on spending
> and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
> requested many many times)
> 7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
> sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
> 8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
> year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
> Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you have
> now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
> important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the election.
>
> Don't go flinging personal attacks because someone disagrees with your
> point of view. You stated you were looking at stepping down after your
> bylaws were approved. I can't wait. Your leadership sucks, your
> communication style sucks, and your personal integrity sucks. The
> membership of this organization deserves better than you are delivering.
>
> To the membership, you deserve better than I've have been giving as
> well. Therefore, as of this point in time, I resign from the BoD. I'm
> sorry.
>
>
> A.R. DeVere
>
>
> Drew Blahnick wrote:
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > Vote on the by-laws if you are a RPA member.
> >
> > There is so many cracks in Loyds bulls--it post I don't want to waste
> > the time to list them, but I suspect anyone can see them.
> >
> > Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only,
> > do so, the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the
> > association, attend the events, help your fellow pilots at such
> > events, volunteer where needed, send "there I was" articles to inform
> > others, be good aviators to your neighbors and enjoy this opportunity...
> >
> > And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to be a
> > checkairman in this organization,
> >
> > I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air
> > Force career, I would always take team players pushing for a good
> > cause over one sour puss with an ulterior motive behind his own
> > seemingly altruistic drive for exerting "knowledge"...
> >
> > If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish you
> > luck in life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the same
> > group and welcome...
> >
> > Meanwhile the RPA is busting it's a-- right now to give you a next
> > generation website, recruiting volunteers to help publish your stories
> > for all to read, get your local choice on the board in 2006, expand
> > events in places they have never been, field and manage a complex
> > airshow demo program (thanks to Jeff, terry, Jim and Zoe, as well as
> > all 56 team members who signed up) and bring in sponsors to help cover
> > costs.
> >
> > I lost my financial ability to fly my private warbird almost 2 years
> > ago as an airline pilot with a legacy carrier, but heck if I'm giving
> > up on this group, in life, dreams are long term or no term...
> >
> > Ask me what you want in thi s association, and if you are willing to
> > commit time with me and others, I will work with you, otherwise, you
> > know my opinion...
> >
> > If you want to be on the web development team, or an opinion as an end
> > user, our coders are making mock ups now and need your input, if you
> > can help on the electronic newsletter publishing team, your
> > fellow pilots need you, if you can help flush out an event crew, your
> > buds need you, if you can negotiate well, the corporate sponsorship
> > committee is looking for you, if you can judge and score fairly,
> > become a formation team challenge judge or a judge for best in show or
> > other individual/team performance competition at the next event, if
> > you're an A&P, or a technical expert on the Yak, CJ or AV, help the
> > assoc build up its maintenance document library on the new website-or
> > help publish more technical newsletters like the suggested "Metric"
> > Bulletin, if you are a web coder by trade, help us use web technology
> > to provide improved services for the your fellow pilots (I could use
> > a guy who can quickly "Form Code" for either opt-in or email
> > delivery format right now),
> >
> > Feel free to email me directly off list, the new website comes out in
> > Feb and, assuming enough members vote and the By-Laws pass, send me,
> > off list, anyones name & contact for NW, SW, NC, SC, NE, SE regional
> > board of director nominations - those by-laws mandate an immediate
> > selection of 6 regional directors via regional elections - that's
> > local elections - and I'm looking for action oriented directors and I
> > know so are you...
> >
> >
> > Fly safe, fly often
> >
> > Drew
> >
> > Drew Blahnick
> > RPA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _ylc=X3oDMTE2bzVzaHJtBF9TAzk1OTQ5NjM2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFnBHNsawNob2xpZGF5LTA1%20
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell |
Hi Ron;
May be slightly less drag. Profile and skin friction drag may increase since it
is larger than the original bump. However, if it works as planned, the exit air
should provide a smooth transition and eliminate the turbulence behind the
bump. A tuft test would give some insight (if it's worth the effort), your flight
tests do not indicate a problem.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: ron wasson
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 4:29 PM
Subject: Yak-List: scoop to fix exhaust smell
I think I have a cheap fix for the?exhaust smell on a CJ. A?reverse?scoop in
place of the panel over the header fuel tank on the belly. This is a screw on
panel with no mods to the A/C. It?creates a large low?pressure in the header tank
bay. This bay has two large holes in for the copilot seat up/down seat adjustment.
The panel is fiberglass with black carbon fiber around the screw edges.
Test flown out to 370k and acro.? Close trail wingman sees no flutter. Front
vent open, this thing flows a lot of air and there is no exhaust smell. Side
vent open there is lots of exhaust. Fresh air from the front air vent now seems
to make it to the back This might make it cooler in summer? while leaving the
side vent closed.I have no CO meter just my nose.?Price is $110? plus shipping.
Pictures attached. This about cost. The fiberglass guy is willing to do them
as long as the?temporary mold lasts as a favor plus a Yak ride once and while.
?If there is interest he will make up a batch.? Edge holes undrilled?since
each A/C is slightly?different on the nut plates. Painted in epoxy to seal for
oil. There is got to be more drag but I can't tell it from the gps ground speed
or climb.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
STOP! Everyone! If you've got an issue with the RPA, don't like it's
rules fine don't be a member this is your choice, but keep it to
yourself, by slamming the RPA you indirectly slam those who have
chosen to be members and enjoy it. Drew, likewise when somebody goes
off on the RPA leave it alone, don't take it so personally and
certainly don't answer the person publicly on the YAK list. Bear
rather than quitting the Board in a huff work from within and get
your questions answered. And yes they need to be answered.
I can't speak to what the RPA was like before the RPA, but I agree we
seem to be loosing members and to that end I think the RPA could do a
better job of offering it's members some tangible benefits beyond
FAST and downloadable manuals. Both my brother and I are working on
this and in the coming weeks we hope to able report on our progress
in this area.
But most importantly stop the bitching about RPA on this list, it's
petty, the wrong forum and if I didn't know a few of you and already
know you to be good people and fun to be with I sure as hell wouldn't
be sure if I'd want to be part of this group let alone the RPA.
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
On Dec 11, 2005, at 12:44 PM, DaBear wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>
> Members,
>
> Your vote on the by-laws count, even if you don't vote. Voting for
> the
> bylaws requires action (vote). You can vote against the bylaws by
> voting or not voting as passage requires 2/3rd majority to approve.
> This is your association, please vote. I recommend voting against the
> bylaws, but either way, please vote.
>
> Drew,
>
> Pile your BS somewhere else. Brian doesn't deserve your personal
> attacks because he didn't attack you. Always remember, he who is
> without sin, can cast the first stone. Well, I'm not without sin, but
> I'll not see you fling your BS and let it appear that you are above
> anyone.
>
> 1. Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
> had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
> helping the membership.
> 2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
> other members, that have yet to materialize.
> 3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key
> values
> to the membership)
> 4. We have lost total membership
> 5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
> organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
> accounting.
> 6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on
> spending
> and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
> requested many many times)
> 7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
> sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
> 8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
> year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
> Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you
> have
> now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
> important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the
> election.
>
> Don't go flinging personal attacks because someone disagrees with your
> point of view. You stated you were looking at stepping down after
> your
> bylaws were approved. I can't wait. Your leadership sucks, your
> communication style sucks, and your personal integrity sucks. The
> membership of this organization deserves better than you are
> delivering.
>
> To the membership, you deserve better than I've have been giving as
> well. Therefore, as of this point in time, I resign from the BoD.
> I'm
> sorry.
>
>
> A.R. DeVere
>
>
> Drew Blahnick wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Vote on the by-laws if you are a RPA member.
>>
>> There is so many cracks in Loyds bulls--it post I don't want to waste
>> the time to list them, but I suspect anyone can see them.
>>
>> Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only,
>> do so, the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the
>> association, attend the events, help your fellow pilots at such
>> events, volunteer where needed, send "there I was" articles to inform
>> others, be good aviators to your neighbors and enjoy this
>> opportunity...
>>
>> And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to
>> be a
>> checkairman in this organization,
>>
>> I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air
>> Force career, I would always take team players pushing for a good
>> cause over one sour puss with an ulterior motive behind his own
>> seemingly altruistic drive for exerting "knowledge"...
>>
>> If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish
>> you
>> luck in life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the
>> same
>> group and welcome...
>>
>> Meanwhile the RPA is busting it's a-- right now to give you a next
>> generation website, recruiting volunteers to help publish your
>> stories
>> for all to read, get your local choice on the board in 2006, expand
>> events in places they have never been, field and manage a complex
>> airshow demo program (thanks to Jeff, terry, Jim and Zoe, as well as
>> all 56 team members who signed up) and bring in sponsors to help
>> cover
>> costs.
>>
>> I lost my financial ability to fly my private warbird almost 2 years
>> ago as an airline pilot with a legacy carrier, but heck if I'm giving
>> up on this group, in life, dreams are long term or no term...
>>
>> Ask me what you want in thi s association, and if you are willing to
>> commit time with me and others, I will work with you, otherwise, you
>> know my opinion...
>>
>> If you want to be on the web development team, or an opinion as an
>> end
>> user, our coders are making mock ups now and need your input, if you
>> can help on the electronic newsletter publishing team, your
>> fellow pilots need you, if you can help flush out an event crew, your
>> buds need you, if you can negotiate well, the corporate sponsorship
>> committee is looking for you, if you can judge and score fairly,
>> become a formation team challenge judge or a judge for best in
>> show or
>> other individual/team performance competition at the next event, if
>> you're an A&P, or a technical expert on the Yak, CJ or AV, help the
>> assoc build up its maintenance document library on the new website-or
>> help publish more technical newsletters like the suggested "Metric"
>> Bulletin, if you are a web coder by trade, help us use web technology
>> to provide improved services for the your fellow pilots (I could use
>> a guy who can quickly "Form Code" for either opt-in or email
>> delivery format right now),
>>
>> Feel free to email me directly off list, the new website comes out in
>> Feb and, assuming enough members vote and the By-Laws pass, send me,
>> off list, anyones name & contact for NW, SW, NC, SC, NE, SE regional
>> board of director nominations - those by-laws mandate an immediate
>> selection of 6 regional directors via regional elections - that's
>> local elections - and I'm looking for action oriented directors and I
>> know so are you...
>>
>>
>> Fly safe, fly often
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> Drew Blahnick
>> RPA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
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>
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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Jim Goolsby <cjpilot710@aol.com>, Harry Dudson <orthopilot@msn.com>,
bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com, Charlie Lynch <lynch@netjets.com>,
Dee Grim <deegrimm@cox.net>, Skip Slyfield <Cj6sly@cs.com>,
Mike Filucci <mfilucci@aol.com>
Daniel Fortin <fougapilot@hotmail.com>, Byron Fox <byronmfox@aol.com>,
Gordon <glwitter@aol.com>, Roger Doc Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>,
Dave King <kingcj6@aol.com>, Ski <yakski@earthlink.net>
Resignation accepted, good luck and fly safe.
Total membership is higher today, not lower, on a calender basis it's at 365,
based on a October cut off its 315 and growing with end of year renewals.
The RPA has more sustained cash on hand and potential financial strength than
at anytime in the past. I won't mention the recent sponsorship offer.
Time to move on,
+++++++++ BoD NEWS++++ WEB PROJECT! PLEASE REVIEW AND COMMENT
1. I sent an email on the newsletter job to Dan Fortin explaining all aspects,
he seems very interested. Thanks for shaking the bushes on this
2. Attached are the mock ups of one navigation scheme for the website, forget
the center artwork he just stuck that in there, this will remove the left side
navigation. Note that this is a roll over nav set up that makes a horizontal
sub menu appear right below the main nav bar. One gif image is not rolled over,
the other one is rolled over "member services"
I would like to add an L-39 or 29 next to the standard RPA header art with
prop, but not required, I suggested the following today: please comment / suggest
-
A) All log in only (resctricted access) destinations would be under "Members
Only" tab, next to the ones you see here (airshow center, governance, etc.) this
will move or include, based on your recommendations:
THESE ARE PASSWORD PROTECTED:
1. Membership Locator (visual display of the membership database)
2. Treasury
3. Elections (ability to e-vote) 4. FAST Formation
5. Tactical Formation
6. Aircraft Sales/Trade (new automated service we are coding in - public can
see your aircraft for sale, but only members can post aircraft for sale/trade,
should work just like psoting your picture in the gallery, except some fields
for price, location, contact, etc.)
7. Newsletters (we solved the issue with posting maildog past newsletters on
our assoc website, its a snap)
8. CFI Registration (we intend to automate the national CFI registry system and
it will allow only rpa members to add to the database)
Mike, I have the guy working on making just one MEMBER and FAST database with
backend admin access to update currency online. and asked him to make the fast
formation room display the membership database records reflecting name, contact
# , qual and currency for an automated formation roster.
Drew
DaBear <dabear@damned.org> wrote:
Members,
Your vote on the by-laws count, even if you don't vote. Voting for the
bylaws requires action (vote). You can vote against the bylaws by
voting or not voting as passage requires 2/3rd majority to approve.
This is your association, please vote. I recommend voting against the
bylaws, but either way, please vote.
Drew,
Pile your BS somewhere else. Brian doesn't deserve your personal
attacks because he didn't attack you. Always remember, he who is
without sin, can cast the first stone. Well, I'm not without sin, but
I'll not see you fling your BS and let it appear that you are above anyone.
1. Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
helping the membership.
2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
other members, that have yet to materialize.
3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key values
to the membership)
4. We have lost total membership
5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
accounting.
6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on spending
and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
requested many many times)
7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you have
now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the election.
Don't go flinging personal attacks because someone disagrees with your
point of view. You stated you were looking at stepping down after your
bylaws were approved. I can't wait. Your leadership sucks, your
communication style sucks, and your personal integrity sucks. The
membership of this organization deserves better than you are delivering.
To the membership, you deserve better than I've have been giving as
well. Therefore, as of this point in time, I resign from the BoD. I'm
sorry.
A.R. DeVere
Drew Blahnick wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Vote on the by-laws if you are a RPA member.
>
> There is so many cracks in Loyds bulls--it post I don't want to waste
> the time to list them, but I suspect anyone can see them.
>
> Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only,
> do so, the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the
> association, attend the events, help your fellow pilots at such
> events, volunteer where needed, send "there I was" articles to inform
> others, be good aviators to your neighbors and enjoy this opportunity...
>
> And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to be a
> checkairman in this organization,
>
> I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air
> Force career, I would always take team players pushing for a good
> cause over one sour puss with an ulterior motive behind his own
> seemingly altruistic drive for exerting "knowledge"...
>
> If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish you
> luck in life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the same
> group and welcome...
>
> Meanwhile the RPA is busting it's a-- right now to give you a next
> generation website, recruiting volunteers to help publish your stories
> for all to read, get your local choice on the board in 2006, expand
> events in places they have never been, field and manage a complex
> airshow demo program (thanks to Jeff, terry, Jim and Zoe, as well as
> all 56 team members who signed up) and bring in sponsors to help cover
> costs.
>
> I lost my financial ability to fly my private warbird almost 2 years
> ago as an airline pilot with a legacy carrier, but heck if I'm giving
> up on this group, in life, dreams are long term or no term...
>
> Ask me what you want in thi s association, and if you are willing to
> commit time with me and others, I will work with you, otherwise, you
> know my opinion...
>
> If you want to be on the web development team, or an opinion as an end
> user, our coders are making mock ups now and need your input, if you
> can help on the electronic newsletter publishing team, your
> fellow pilots need you, if you can help flush out an event crew, your
> buds need you, if you can negotiate well, the corporate sponsorship
> committee is looking for you, if you can judge and score fairly,
> become a formation team challenge judge or a judge for best in show or
> other individual/team performance competition at the next event, if
> you're an A&P, or a technical expert on the Yak, CJ or AV, help the
> assoc build up its maintenance document library on the new website-or
> help publish more technical newsletters like the suggested "Metric"
> Bulletin, if you are a web coder by trade, help us use web technology
> to provide improved services for the your fellow pilots (I could use
> a guy who can quickly "Form Code" for either opt-in or email
> delivery format right now),
>
> Feel free to email me directly off list, the new website comes out in
> Feb and, assuming enough members vote and the By-Laws pass, send me,
> off list, anyones name & contact for NW, SW, NC, SC, NE, SE regional
> board of director nominations - those by-laws mandate an immediate
> selection of 6 regional directors via regional elections - that's
> local elections - and I'm looking for action oriented directors and I
> know so are you...
>
>
> Fly safe, fly often
>
> Drew
>
> Drew Blahnick
> RPA
>
>
>
>
>
>
---------------------------------
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Stephen,
Where do you suggest we do bitch?
Ernie
On 12/11/05, Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
>
> STOP! Everyone! If you've got an issue with the RPA, don't like it's
> rules fine don't be a member this is your choice, but keep it to
> yourself, by slamming the RPA you indirectly slam those who have
> chosen to be members and enjoy it. Drew, likewise when somebody goes
> off on the RPA leave it alone, don't take it so personally and
> certainly don't answer the person publicly on the YAK list. Bear
> rather than quitting the Board in a huff work from within and get
> your questions answered. And yes they need to be answered.
>
> I can't speak to what the RPA was like before the RPA, but I agree we
> seem to be loosing members and to that end I think the RPA could do a
> better job of offering it's members some tangible benefits beyond
> FAST and downloadable manuals. Both my brother and I are working on
> this and in the coming weeks we hope to able report on our progress
> in this area.
>
> But most importantly stop the bitching about RPA on this list, it's
> petty, the wrong forum and if I didn't know a few of you and already
> know you to be good people and fun to be with I sure as hell wouldn't
> be sure if I'd want to be part of this group let alone the RPA.
>
> Steve "SOB" Fox
> Yak 52
> N3043R
> http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
>
> On Dec 11, 2005, at 12:44 PM, DaBear wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
> >
> > Members,
> >
> > Your vote on the by-laws count, even if you don't vote. Voting for
> > the
> > bylaws requires action (vote). You can vote against the bylaws by
> > voting or not voting as passage requires 2/3rd majority to approve.
> > This is your association, please vote. I recommend voting against the
> > bylaws, but either way, please vote.
> >
> > Drew,
> >
> > Pile your BS somewhere else. Brian doesn't deserve your personal
> > attacks because he didn't attack you. Always remember, he who is
> > without sin, can cast the first stone. Well, I'm not without sin, but
> > I'll not see you fling your BS and let it appear that you are above
> > anyone.
> >
> > 1. Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
> > had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
> > helping the membership.
> > 2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
> > other members, that have yet to materialize.
> > 3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key
> > values
> > to the membership)
> > 4. We have lost total membership
> > 5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
> > organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
> > accounting.
> > 6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on
> > spending
> > and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
> > requested many many times)
> > 7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
> > sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
> > 8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
> > year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
> > Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you
> > have
> > now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
> > important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the
> > election.
> >
> > Don't go flinging personal attacks because someone disagrees with your
> > point of view. You stated you were looking at stepping down after
> > your
> > bylaws were approved. I can't wait. Your leadership sucks, your
> > communication style sucks, and your personal integrity sucks. The
> > membership of this organization deserves better than you are
> > delivering.
> >
> > To the membership, you deserve better than I've have been giving as
> > well. Therefore, as of this point in time, I resign from the BoD.
> > I'm
> > sorry.
> >
> >
> > A.R. DeVere
> >
> >
> > Drew Blahnick wrote:
> >
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> Vote on the by-laws if you are a RPA member.
> >>
> >> There is so many cracks in Loyds bulls--it post I don't want to waste
> >> the time to list them, but I suspect anyone can see them.
> >>
> >> Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only,
> >> do so, the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the
> >> association, attend the events, help your fellow pilots at such
> >> events, volunteer where needed, send "there I was" articles to inform
> >> others, be good aviators to your neighbors and enjoy this
> >> opportunity...
> >>
> >> And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to
> >> be a
> >> checkairman in this organization,
> >>
> >> I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air
> >> Force career, I would always take team players pushing for a good
> >> cause over one sour puss with an ulterior motive behind his own
> >> seemingly altruistic drive for exerting "knowledge"...
> >>
> >> If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish
> >> you
> >> luck in life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the
> >> same
> >> group and welcome...
> >>
> >> Meanwhile the RPA is busting it's a-- right now to give you a next
> >> generation website, recruiting volunteers to help publish your
> >> stories
> >> for all to read, get your local choice on the board in 2006, expand
> >> events in places they have never been, field and manage a complex
> >> airshow demo program (thanks to Jeff, terry, Jim and Zoe, as well as
> >> all 56 team members who signed up) and bring in sponsors to help
> >> cover
> >> costs.
> >>
> >> I lost my financial ability to fly my private warbird almost 2 years
> >> ago as an airline pilot with a legacy carrier, but heck if I'm giving
> >> up on this group, in life, dreams are long term or no term...
> >>
> >> Ask me what you want in thi s association, and if you are willing to
> >> commit time with me and others, I will work with you, otherwise, you
> >> know my opinion...
> >>
> >> If you want to be on the web development team, or an opinion as an
> >> end
> >> user, our coders are making mock ups now and need your input, if you
> >> can help on the electronic newsletter publishing team, your
> >> fellow pilots need you, if you can help flush out an event crew, your
> >> buds need you, if you can negotiate well, the corporate sponsorship
> >> committee is looking for you, if you can judge and score fairly,
> >> become a formation team challenge judge or a judge for best in
> >> show or
> >> other individual/team performance competition at the next event, if
> >> you're an A&P, or a technical expert on the Yak, CJ or AV, help the
> >> assoc build up its maintenance document library on the new website-or
> >> help publish more technical newsletters like the suggested "Metric"
> >> Bulletin, if you are a web coder by trade, help us use web technology
> >> to provide improved services for the your fellow pilots (I could use
> >> a guy who can quickly "Form Code" for either opt-in or email
> >> delivery format right now),
> >>
> >> Feel free to email me directly off list, the new website comes out in
> >> Feb and, assuming enough members vote and the By-Laws pass, send me,
> >> off list, anyones name & contact for NW, SW, NC, SC, NE, SE regional
> >> board of director nominations - those by-laws mandate an immediate
> >> selection of 6 regional directors via regional elections - that's
> >> local elections - and I'm looking for action oriented directors and I
> >> know so are you...
> >>
> >>
> >> Fly safe, fly often
> >>
> >> Drew
> >>
> >> Drew Blahnick
> >> RPA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/footer/shopping/*http://
> >> shopping.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTE2bzVzaHJtBF9TAzk1OTQ5NjM2BHNlYwNtYWls
> >> dGFnBHNsawNob2xpZGF5LTA1%20>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Steve "SOB" Fox
> Yak 52
> N3043R
> http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Members,
Some will say I'm an ass, idiot, etc. They are most likely right. I'm
sorry for "airing" issues in this forum. I'll take the heat for doing so.
As for the bylaws, you the membership are voting only on the piece that
pertains to the make up and election of BoD members. If you honestly
believe that you'd rather be able to vote on 4 of the 9 officers rather
than 9 of the 9 BoD members. Then vote for the bylaw change. If you
want to be able to only vote for 3 national BoD members and 1 member who
may live close to you (you live in VA and they live in eastern Canada);
then vote for the bylaws.
Read them, they are your organizations by-laws and this is your
organization. Not mine, not the RPA president, not the BoD's
organization. You decide and as per the current election, you have
until December 31st to approve them. Regardless of how you feel about
individuals, the way things are, this is your opportunity to place your
vote and impact YOUR organization in a positive manner. Do it!
The same goes for when you vote for BoD members. Soon you will be
electing them to speak for you, but they are still speaking for you!
You paid money to join a volunteer organization, you want value back,
and want your needs met (flying related, please :-).
The RPA is a wonderful organization, with great people as members and
great people working their collective butts off to provide you value for
your membership dues. Enjoy the clinics, get together and local events,
go to the national events, read and write articles for the newsletters,
and add training material. But most of all, get involved and give to
the organization. Your vote, your action is what keeps the organization
going, and going in the direction the membership wants. Get on a
committee, get involved.
I'll get off the soapbox now.
A.R. DeVere
member
Doug Sapp wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
>Fellow listers,
>I will vote when Al's charges are addressed not before, and I would like to
>think that all of you that are really giving this some thought and really
>care about the future of the organization will do the same. I can see no
>reason to rush into this at this late date. Yes, a vote needs to be taken,
>but these questions are far more important and should be answered first.
>Drew, could you please make this information available to the BoD so we
>could get this settled and get on with things?
>
>And Al, would you please delay your resignation until Drew has a chance to
>answer the questions?
>
>Always Yakin,
>Doug Sapp
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DaBear
>Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 9:44 AM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com; Drew Blahnick; Jim Goolsby; Harry Dudson;
>bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com; Charlie Lynch; Dee Grim; Skip Slyfield
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vote-vote-vote
>
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>
>Members,
>
>Your vote on the by-laws count, even if you don't vote. Voting for the
>bylaws requires action (vote). You can vote against the bylaws by
>voting or not voting as passage requires 2/3rd majority to approve.
>This is your association, please vote. I recommend voting against the
>bylaws, but either way, please vote.
>
>Drew,
>
>Pile your BS somewhere else. Brian doesn't deserve your personal
>attacks because he didn't attack you. Always remember, he who is
>without sin, can cast the first stone. Well, I'm not without sin, but
>I'll not see you fling your BS and let it appear that you are above anyone.
>
>1. Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
>had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
>helping the membership.
>2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
>other members, that have yet to materialize.
>3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key values
>to the membership)
>4. We have lost total membership
>5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
>organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
>accounting.
>6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on spending
>and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
>requested many many times)
>7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
>sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
>8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
>year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
>Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you have
>now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
>important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the election.
>
>Don't go flinging personal attacks because someone disagrees with your
>point of view. You stated you were looking at stepping down after your
>bylaws were approved. I can't wait. Your leadership sucks, your
>communication style sucks, and your personal integrity sucks. The
>membership of this organization deserves better than you are delivering.
>
>To the membership, you deserve better than I've have been giving as
>well. Therefore, as of this point in time, I resign from the BoD. I'm
>sorry.
>
>
>A.R. DeVere
>
>
>Drew Blahnick wrote:
>
>
>
>>Folks,
>>
>>Vote on the by-laws if you are a RPA member.
>>
>>There is so many cracks in Loyds bulls--it post I don't want to waste
>>the time to list them, but I suspect anyone can see them.
>>
>>Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only,
>>do so, the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the
>>association, attend the events, help your fellow pilots at such
>>events, volunteer where needed, send "there I was" articles to inform
>>others, be good aviators to your neighbors and enjoy this opportunity...
>>
>>And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to be a
>>checkairman in this organization,
>>
>>I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air
>>Force career, I would always take team players pushing for a good
>>cause over one sour puss with an ulterior motive behind his own
>>seemingly altruistic drive for exerting "knowledge"...
>>
>>If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish you
>>luck in life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the same
>>group and welcome...
>>
>>Meanwhile the RPA is busting it's a-- right now to give you a next
>>generation website, recruiting volunteers to help publish your stories
>>for all to read, get your local choice on the board in 2006, expand
>>events in places they have never been, field and manage a complex
>>airshow demo program (thanks to Jeff, terry, Jim and Zoe, as well as
>>all 56 team members who signed up) and bring in sponsors to help cover
>>costs.
>>
>>I lost my financial ability to fly my private warbird almost 2 years
>>ago as an airline pilot with a legacy carrier, but heck if I'm giving
>>up on this group, in life, dreams are long term or no term...
>>
>>Ask me what you want in thi s association, and if you are willing to
>>commit time with me and others, I will work with you, otherwise, you
>>know my opinion...
>>
>>If you want to be on the web development team, or an opinion as an end
>>user, our coders are making mock ups now and need your input, if you
>>can help on the electronic newsletter publishing team, your
>>fellow pilots need you, if you can help flush out an event crew, your
>>buds need you, if you can negotiate well, the corporate sponsorship
>>committee is looking for you, if you can judge and score fairly,
>>become a formation team challenge judge or a judge for best in show or
>>other individual/team performance competition at the next event, if
>>you're an A&P, or a technical expert on the Yak, CJ or AV, help the
>>assoc build up its maintenance document library on the new website-or
>>help publish more technical newsletters like the suggested "Metric"
>>Bulletin, if you are a web coder by trade, help us use web technology
>>to provide improved services for the your fellow pilots (I could use
>>a guy who can quickly "Form Code" for either opt-in or email
>>delivery format right now),
>>
>>Feel free to email me directly off list, the new website comes out in
>>Feb and, assuming enough members vote and the By-Laws pass, send me,
>>off list, anyones name & contact for NW, SW, NC, SC, NE, SE regional
>>board of director nominations - those by-laws mandate an immediate
>>selection of 6 regional directors via regional elections - that's
>>local elections - and I'm looking for action oriented directors and I
>>know so are you...
>>
>>
>>Fly safe, fly often
>>
>>Drew
>>
>>Drew Blahnick
>>RPA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>_ylc=X3oDMTE2bzVzaHJtBF9TAzk1OTQ5NjM2BHNlYwNtYWlsdGFnBHNsawNob2xpZGF5LTA1%20
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Steve,
You are 100% correct that I shouldn't have posted what I did. I'm sorry.
As for me working from within to get the questions answered, sorry but
I've been asking for almost 3 years without any response.
I'm in for events, for flying with some great people, and doing it
safe. I'm personally sorry if I let you down.
A.R. DeVere
This is a private email, please.
Stephen Fox wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
>
> STOP! Everyone! If you've got an issue with the RPA, don't like it's
> rules fine don't be a member this is your choice, but keep it to
> yourself, by slamming the RPA you indirectly slam those who have
> chosen to be members and enjoy it. Drew, likewise when somebody goes
> off on the RPA leave it alone, don't take it so personally and
> certainly don't answer the person publicly on the YAK list. Bear
> rather than quitting the Board in a huff work from within and get
> your questions answered. And yes they need to be answered.
>
> I can't speak to what the RPA was like before the RPA, but I agree we
> seem to be loosing members and to that end I think the RPA could do a
> better job of offering it's members some tangible benefits beyond
> FAST and downloadable manuals. Both my brother and I are working on
> this and in the coming weeks we hope to able report on our progress
> in this area.
>
> But most importantly stop the bitching about RPA on this list, it's
> petty, the wrong forum and if I didn't know a few of you and already
> know you to be good people and fun to be with I sure as hell wouldn't
> be sure if I'd want to be part of this group let alone the RPA.
>
> Steve "SOB" Fox
> Yak 52
> N3043R
> http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
>
> On Dec 11, 2005, at 12:44 PM, DaBear wrote:
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>>
>> Members,
>>
>> Your vote on the by-laws count, even if you don't vote. Voting for the
>> bylaws requires action (vote). You can vote against the bylaws by
>> voting or not voting as passage requires 2/3rd majority to approve.
>> This is your association, please vote. I recommend voting against the
>> bylaws, but either way, please vote.
>>
>> Drew,
>>
>> Pile your BS somewhere else. Brian doesn't deserve your personal
>> attacks because he didn't attack you. Always remember, he who is
>> without sin, can cast the first stone. Well, I'm not without sin, but
>> I'll not see you fling your BS and let it appear that you are above
>> anyone.
>>
>> 1. Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
>> had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
>> helping the membership.
>> 2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
>> other members, that have yet to materialize.
>> 3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key values
>> to the membership)
>> 4. We have lost total membership
>> 5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
>> organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
>> accounting.
>> 6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on spending
>> and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
>> requested many many times)
>> 7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
>> sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
>> 8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
>> year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
>> Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you have
>> now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
>> important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the
>> election.
>>
>> Don't go flinging personal attacks because someone disagrees with your
>> point of view. You stated you were looking at stepping down after your
>> bylaws were approved. I can't wait. Your leadership sucks, your
>> communication style sucks, and your personal integrity sucks. The
>> membership of this organization deserves better than you are
>> delivering.
>>
>> To the membership, you deserve better than I've have been giving as
>> well. Therefore, as of this point in time, I resign from the BoD. I'm
>> sorry.
>>
>>
>> A.R. DeVere
>>
>>
>> Drew Blahnick wrote:
>>
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> Vote on the by-laws if you are a RPA member.
>>>
>>> There is so many cracks in Loyds bulls--it post I don't want to waste
>>> the time to list them, but I suspect anyone can see them.
>>>
>>> Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only,
>>> do so, the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the
>>> association, attend the events, help your fellow pilots at such
>>> events, volunteer where needed, send "there I was" articles to inform
>>> others, be good aviators to your neighbors and enjoy this
>>> opportunity...
>>>
>>> And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to be a
>>> checkairman in this organization,
>>>
>>> I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air
>>> Force career, I would always take team players pushing for a good
>>> cause over one sour puss with an ulterior motive behind his own
>>> seemingly altruistic drive for exerting "knowledge"...
>>>
>>> If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish you
>>> luck in life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the same
>>> group and welcome...
>>>
>>> Meanwhile the RPA is busting it's a-- right now to give you a next
>>> generation website, recruiting volunteers to help publish your stories
>>> for all to read, get your local choice on the board in 2006, expand
>>> events in places they have never been, field and manage a complex
>>> airshow demo program (thanks to Jeff, terry, Jim and Zoe, as well as
>>> all 56 team members who signed up) and bring in sponsors to help cover
>>> costs.
>>>
>>> I lost my financial ability to fly my private warbird almost 2 years
>>> ago as an airline pilot with a legacy carrier, but heck if I'm giving
>>> up on this group, in life, dreams are long term or no term...
>>>
>>> Ask me what you want in thi s association, and if you are willing to
>>> commit time with me and others, I will work with you, otherwise, you
>>> know my opinion...
>>>
>>> If you want to be on the web development team, or an opinion as an end
>>> user, our coders are making mock ups now and need your input, if you
>>> can help on the electronic newsletter publishing team, your
>>> fellow pilots need you, if you can help flush out an event crew, your
>>> buds need you, if you can negotiate well, the corporate sponsorship
>>> committee is looking for you, if you can judge and score fairly,
>>> become a formation team challenge judge or a judge for best in show or
>>> other individual/team performance competition at the next event, if
>>> you're an A&P, or a technical expert on the Yak, CJ or AV, help the
>>> assoc build up its maintenance document library on the new website-or
>>> help publish more technical newsletters like the suggested "Metric"
>>> Bulletin, if you are a web coder by trade, help us use web technology
>>> to provide improved services for the your fellow pilots (I could use
>>> a guy who can quickly "Form Code" for either opt-in or email
>>> delivery format right now),
>>>
>>> Feel free to email me directly off list, the new website comes out in
>>> Feb and, assuming enough members vote and the By-Laws pass, send me,
>>> off list, anyones name & contact for NW, SW, NC, SC, NE, SE regional
>>> board of director nominations - those by-laws mandate an immediate
>>> selection of 6 regional directors via regional elections - that's
>>> local elections - and I'm looking for action oriented directors and I
>>> know so are you...
>>>
>>>
>>> Fly safe, fly often
>>>
>>> Drew
>>>
>>> Drew Blahnick
>>> RPA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/footer/shopping/*http://
>>> shopping.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTE2bzVzaHJtBF9TAzk1OTQ5NjM2BHNlYwNtYWls
>>> dGFnBHNsawNob2xpZGF5LTA1%20>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
OFF LIST!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vote-vote-vote
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Stephen,
>
> Where do you suggest we do bitch?
>
> Ernie
>
> On 12/11/05, Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
>>
>> STOP! Everyone! If you've got an issue with the RPA, don't like it's
>> rules fine don't be a member this is your choice, but keep it to
>> yourself, by slamming the RPA you indirectly slam those who have
>> chosen to be members and enjoy it. Drew, likewise when somebody goes
>> off on the RPA leave it alone, don't take it so personally and
>> certainly don't answer the person publicly on the YAK list. Bear
>> rather than quitting the Board in a huff work from within and get
>> your questions answered. And yes they need to be answered.
>>
>> I can't speak to what the RPA was like before the RPA, but I agree we
>> seem to be loosing members and to that end I think the RPA could do a
>> better job of offering it's members some tangible benefits beyond
>> FAST and downloadable manuals. Both my brother and I are working on
>> this and in the coming weeks we hope to able report on our progress
>> in this area.
>>
>> But most importantly stop the bitching about RPA on this list, it's
>> petty, the wrong forum and if I didn't know a few of you and already
>> know you to be good people and fun to be with I sure as hell wouldn't
>> be sure if I'd want to be part of this group let alone the RPA.
>>
>> Steve "SOB" Fox
>> Yak 52
>> N3043R
>> http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
>>
>> On Dec 11, 2005, at 12:44 PM, DaBear wrote:
>>
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>> >
>> > Members,
>> >
>> > Your vote on the by-laws count, even if you don't vote. Voting for
>> > the
>> > bylaws requires action (vote). You can vote against the bylaws by
>> > voting or not voting as passage requires 2/3rd majority to approve.
>> > This is your association, please vote. I recommend voting against the
>> > bylaws, but either way, please vote.
>> >
>> > Drew,
>> >
>> > Pile your BS somewhere else. Brian doesn't deserve your personal
>> > attacks because he didn't attack you. Always remember, he who is
>> > without sin, can cast the first stone. Well, I'm not without sin, but
>> > I'll not see you fling your BS and let it appear that you are above
>> > anyone.
>> >
>> > 1. Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
>> > had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
>> > helping the membership.
>> > 2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
>> > other members, that have yet to materialize.
>> > 3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key
>> > values
>> > to the membership)
>> > 4. We have lost total membership
>> > 5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
>> > organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
>> > accounting.
>> > 6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on
>> > spending
>> > and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
>> > requested many many times)
>> > 7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
>> > sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
>> > 8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
>> > year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
>> > Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you
>> > have
>> > now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
>> > important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the
>> > election.
>> >
>> > Don't go flinging personal attacks because someone disagrees with your
>> > point of view. You stated you were looking at stepping down after
>> > your
>> > bylaws were approved. I can't wait. Your leadership sucks, your
>> > communication style sucks, and your personal integrity sucks. The
>> > membership of this organization deserves better than you are
>> > delivering.
>> >
>> > To the membership, you deserve better than I've have been giving as
>> > well. Therefore, as of this point in time, I resign from the BoD.
>> > I'm
>> > sorry.
>> >
>> >
>> > A.R. DeVere
>> >
>> >
>> > Drew Blahnick wrote:
>> >
>> >> Folks,
>> >>
>> >> Vote on the by-laws if you are a RPA member.
>> >>
>> >> There is so many cracks in Loyds bulls--it post I don't want to waste
>> >> the time to list them, but I suspect anyone can see them.
>> >>
>> >> Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only,
>> >> do so, the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the
>> >> association, attend the events, help your fellow pilots at such
>> >> events, volunteer where needed, send "there I was" articles to inform
>> >> others, be good aviators to your neighbors and enjoy this
>> >> opportunity...
>> >>
>> >> And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to
>> >> be a
>> >> checkairman in this organization,
>> >>
>> >> I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air
>> >> Force career, I would always take team players pushing for a good
>> >> cause over one sour puss with an ulterior motive behind his own
>> >> seemingly altruistic drive for exerting "knowledge"...
>> >>
>> >> If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish
>> >> you
>> >> luck in life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the
>> >> same
>> >> group and welcome...
>> >>
>> >> Meanwhile the RPA is busting it's a-- right now to give you a next
>> >> generation website, recruiting volunteers to help publish your
>> >> stories
>> >> for all to read, get your local choice on the board in 2006, expand
>> >> events in places they have never been, field and manage a complex
>> >> airshow demo program (thanks to Jeff, terry, Jim and Zoe, as well as
>> >> all 56 team members who signed up) and bring in sponsors to help
>> >> cover
>> >> costs.
>> >>
>> >> I lost my financial ability to fly my private warbird almost 2 years
>> >> ago as an airline pilot with a legacy carrier, but heck if I'm giving
>> >> up on this group, in life, dreams are long term or no term...
>> >>
>> >> Ask me what you want in thi s association, and if you are willing to
>> >> commit time with me and others, I will work with you, otherwise, you
>> >> know my opinion...
>> >>
>> >> If you want to be on the web development team, or an opinion as an
>> >> end
>> >> user, our coders are making mock ups now and need your input, if you
>> >> can help on the electronic newsletter publishing team, your
>> >> fellow pilots need you, if you can help flush out an event crew, your
>> >> buds need you, if you can negotiate well, the corporate sponsorship
>> >> committee is looking for you, if you can judge and score fairly,
>> >> become a formation team challenge judge or a judge for best in
>> >> show or
>> >> other individual/team performance competition at the next event, if
>> >> you're an A&P, or a technical expert on the Yak, CJ or AV, help the
>> >> assoc build up its maintenance document library on the new website-or
>> >> help publish more technical newsletters like the suggested "Metric"
>> >> Bulletin, if you are a web coder by trade, help us use web technology
>> >> to provide improved services for the your fellow pilots (I could use
>> >> a guy who can quickly "Form Code" for either opt-in or email
>> >> delivery format right now),
>> >>
>> >> Feel free to email me directly off list, the new website comes out in
>> >> Feb and, assuming enough members vote and the By-Laws pass, send me,
>> >> off list, anyones name & contact for NW, SW, NC, SC, NE, SE regional
>> >> board of director nominations - those by-laws mandate an immediate
>> >> selection of 6 regional directors via regional elections - that's
>> >> local elections - and I'm looking for action oriented directors and I
>> >> know so are you...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Fly safe, fly often
>> >>
>> >> Drew
>> >>
>> >> Drew Blahnick
>> >> RPA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/footer/shopping/*http://
>> >> shopping.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTE2bzVzaHJtBF9TAzk1OTQ5NjM2BHNlYwNtYWls
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>> Steve "SOB" Fox
>> Yak 52
>> N3043R
>> http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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<439C6570.1030807@damned.org>
<52C45C06-ADA9-4710-8DDF-BE953A01B77B@adelphia.net>
<5d7b0ec70512111223i2e0accb8w75b9c4932027cca3@mail.gmail.com>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Or at least use the DO NOT ARCHIVE flag!
Matt
At 03:07 PM 12/11/2005 Sunday, you wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
>OFF LIST!
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 2:23 PM
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Vote-vote-vote
>
>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>Stephen,
>>Where do you suggest we do bitch?
>>Ernie
>>On 12/11/05, Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>>--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
>>>
>>>STOP! Everyone! If you've got an issue with the RPA, don't like it's
>>>rules fine don't be a member this is your choice, but keep it to
>>>yourself, by slamming the RPA you indirectly slam those who have
>>>chosen to be members and enjoy it. Drew, likewise when somebody goes
>>>off on the RPA leave it alone, don't take it so personally and
>>>certainly don't answer the person publicly on the YAK list. Bear
>>>rather than quitting the Board in a huff work from within and get
>>>your questions answered. And yes they need to be answered.
>>>
>>>I can't speak to what the RPA was like before the RPA, but I agree we
>>>seem to be loosing members and to that end I think the RPA could do a
>>>better job of offering it's members some tangible benefits beyond
>>>FAST and downloadable manuals. Both my brother and I are working on
>>>this and in the coming weeks we hope to able report on our progress
>>>in this area.
>>>
>>>But most importantly stop the bitching about RPA on this list, it's
>>>petty, the wrong forum and if I didn't know a few of you and already
>>>know you to be good people and fun to be with I sure as hell wouldn't
>>>be sure if I'd want to be part of this group let alone the RPA.
>>>
>>>Steve "SOB" Fox
>>>Yak 52
>>>N3043R
>>>http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
>>>
>>>On Dec 11, 2005, at 12:44 PM, DaBear wrote:
>>>
>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>>>>
>>>> Members,
>>>>
>>>> Your vote on the by-laws count, even if you don't vote. Voting for
>>>> the
>>>> bylaws requires action (vote). You can vote against the bylaws by
>>>> voting or not voting as passage requires 2/3rd majority to approve.
>>>> This is your association, please vote. I recommend voting against the
>>>> bylaws, but either way, please vote.
>>>>
>>>> Drew,
>>>>
>>>> Pile your BS somewhere else. Brian doesn't deserve your personal
>>>> attacks because he didn't attack you. Always remember, he who is
>>>> without sin, can cast the first stone. Well, I'm not without sin, but
>>>> I'll not see you fling your BS and let it appear that you are above
>>>> anyone.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
>>>> had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
>>>> helping the membership.
>>>> 2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
>>>> other members, that have yet to materialize.
>>>> 3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key
>>>> values
>>>> to the membership)
>>>> 4. We have lost total membership
>>>> 5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
>>>> organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
>>>> accounting.
>>>> 6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on
>>>> spending
>>>> and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
>>>> requested many many times)
>>>> 7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
>>>> sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
>>>> 8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
>>>> year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
>>>> Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you
>>>> have
>>>> now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
>>>> important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the
>>>> election.
>>>>
>>>> Don't go flinging personal attacks because someone disagrees with your
>>>> point of view. You stated you were looking at stepping down after
>>>> your
>>>> bylaws were approved. I can't wait. Your leadership sucks, your
>>>> communication style sucks, and your personal integrity sucks. The
>>>> membership of this organization deserves better than you are
>>>> delivering.
>>>>
>>>> To the membership, you deserve better than I've have been giving as
>>>> well. Therefore, as of this point in time, I resign from the BoD.
>>>> I'm
>>>> sorry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A.R. DeVere
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Drew Blahnick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Vote on the by-laws if you are a RPA member.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is so many cracks in Loyds bulls--it post I don't want to waste
>>>>> the time to list them, but I suspect anyone can see them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only,
>>>>> do so, the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the
>>>>> association, attend the events, help your fellow pilots at such
>>>>> events, volunteer where needed, send "there I was" articles to inform
>>>>> others, be good aviators to your neighbors and enjoy this
>>>>> opportunity...
>>>>>
>>>>> And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to
>>>>> be a
>>>>> checkairman in this organization,
>>>>>
>>>>> I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air
>>>>> Force career, I would always take team players pushing for a good
>>>>> cause over one sour puss with an ulterior motive behind his own
>>>>> seemingly altruistic drive for exerting "knowledge"...
>>>>>
>>>>> If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish
>>>>> you
>>>>> luck in life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the
>>>>> same
>>>>> group and welcome...
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile the RPA is busting it's a-- right now to give you a next
>>>>> generation website, recruiting volunteers to help publish your
>>>>> stories
>>>>> for all to read, get your local choice on the board in 2006, expand
>>>>> events in places they have never been, field and manage a complex
>>>>> airshow demo program (thanks to Jeff, terry, Jim and Zoe, as well as
>>>>> all 56 team members who signed up) and bring in sponsors to help
>>>>> cover
>>>>> costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I lost my financial ability to fly my private warbird almost 2 years
>>>>> ago as an airline pilot with a legacy carrier, but heck if I'm giving
>>>>> up on this group, in life, dreams are long term or no term...
>>>>>
>>>>> Ask me what you want in thi s association, and if you are willing to
>>>>> commit time with me and others, I will work with you, otherwise, you
>>>>> know my opinion...
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to be on the web development team, or an opinion as an
>>>>> end
>>>>> user, our coders are making mock ups now and need your input, if you
>>>>> can help on the electronic newsletter publishing team, your
>>>>> fellow pilots need you, if you can help flush out an event crew, your
>>>>> buds need you, if you can negotiate well, the corporate sponsorship
>>>>> committee is looking for you, if you can judge and score fairly,
>>>>> become a formation team challenge judge or a judge for best in
>>>>> show or
>>>>> other individual/team performance competition at the next event, if
>>>>> you're an A&P, or a technical expert on the Yak, CJ or AV, help the
>>>>> assoc build up its maintenance document library on the new website-or
>>>>> help publish more technical newsletters like the suggested "Metric"
>>>>> Bulletin, if you are a web coder by trade, help us use web technology
>>>>> to provide improved services for the your fellow pilots (I could use
>>>>> a guy who can quickly "Form Code" for either opt-in or email
>>>>> delivery format right now),
>>>>>
>>>>> Feel free to email me directly off list, the new website comes out in
>>>>> Feb and, assuming enough members vote and the By-Laws pass, send me,
>>>>> off list, anyones name & contact for NW, SW, NC, SC, NE, SE regional
>>>>> board of director nominations - those by-laws mandate an immediate
>>>>> selection of 6 regional directors via regional elections - that's
>>>>> local elections - and I'm looking for action oriented directors and I
>>>>> know so are you...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fly safe, fly often
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew
>>>>>
>>>>> Drew Blahnick
>>>>> RPA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/footer/shopping/*http://>> >> shopping.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTE2bzVzaHJtBF9TAzk1OTQ5NjM2BHNlYwNtYWls
>>>>> dGFnBHNsawNob2xpZGF5LTA1%20>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>Steve "SOB" Fox
>>>Yak 52
>>>N3043R
>>>http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Wow! Talk about stirring up a storm! Here I was just being an annoying
curmudgeon making some smart-assed comments and I get all this. But,
what the heck, I got a nice phone call from Pappy so it can't be all bad.
Funny thing is, buried down in all that was a valid comment -- it tends
to be individuals who do the key work, not organizations. I personally
tend to raise an eyebrow when told just what a great job some
organization is doing for me. Question authority and all that.
Now on to responding to Drew. (And, yes, I am going to keep it civil and
toned down.)
(BTW, I wrote most of this early this morning but decided to let it
simmer and then come back to it later.)
Drew Blahnick wrote:
> Other than to say if you're a loner and want to hang with Lloyd only, do
> so, the rest of you should vote on the by-laws, join the association,
> attend the events, help your fellow pilots at such events, volunteer
> where needed, send "there I was" articles to inform others, be good
> aviators to your neighbors and enjoy this opportunity...
So you can only do this if you join the RPA? Seems to me you can
volunteer where needed, write articles, help your neighbor, and be a
good aviator without joining the RPA or voting on the bylaws.
(Yeah Pappy, there is a fine line between libertarianism and anarchy and
since I started needing glasses I can't seem to see where it is anymore.)
> And I'm fully aware that a few years ago you Lloyd were asking to be a
> checkairman in this organization,
As far as I know, I am still recognized by the insurance companies as
qualified to give dual instruction in the CJ6A in order to reduce the
cost of insurance. I think I am still on the list of qualified CFIs for
the CJ6A from RPA but I suspect that is about to end.
And as for asking to be a check pilot, well, there are only a few ways
to get that and the Yak Pilot's Club was one of them. Now the Yak
Pilot's Club is gone and the YPA is here. Being a check airman is a
function of knowledge and skill. It has nothing to do with
organizational affiliation.
Nowadays if we want to do something "officially" we have to jump through
someone else's hoops. These hoops don't make us any better but there is
usually some sort of "approval" that comes from doing so. Am I a better
pilot because I have met all the FAA requirements for my ratings? I
suspect we could all name people who have "jumped through the hoops" and
yet we would not let our mothers fly with them. Still, they have the
ratings.
> I suspect there are a few who will disagree with me - but in my Air
> Force career, I would always take team players pushing for a good cause
> over one sour puss with an ulterior motive behind his own seemingly
> altruistic drive for exerting "knowledge"...
Seemingly altruistic? Wow, where'd you get that? There is nothing
altruistic about me. People who speak of altruism are suspect because
they usually do have ulterior motives. If someone wants me to teach them
what I know I plan to charge them money or take it out in trade somehow.
If I want to go fly with someone for the heck of it, that is my watch too.
And none of that has anything to do with the RPA either. I will charge
for my services whether or not I belong to the RPA. See, no altruism. I
am a strong believer in the value of a free market. Didn't Orwell write
about, "Da comrade, you should do it for the general benefit of the
collective," stuff in _Animal_Farm_? Hmm.
> If you find yourself incapable of working with others, than I wish you
> luck in life and please fly safe, but you're always a part of the same
> group and welcome...
Incapable? So if I don't join the RPA I am incapable of working with
others? OK, I will join the RPA. Done! Now I am a member of RPA. How
does that change anything?
Getting back to the altruism bandwagon, "...lost my ability to fly my
private warbird." Gee Drew, I'm sorry. I know what it is like to be
broke and jobless. It sure cuts into the budget for maintaining the
airplane, let me tell you!
But you know something, I am going to do something about that. As a
returning member of RPA (after a two or three-year hiatus) I would like
to head the newly proposed (by me) "Buy Drew an Airplane Fund" drive! I
am sure I can get everyone asking everyone else to kick in money.
Friends, Drew has worked his ASS off! American Airlines cut his pay and
he had to sell his airplane. His unceasing and untiring devotion to Our
Cause has made him a martyr. We owe it to him to get him back in the
air. I would like to see the website support a "donations to get Drew
back in the air" section. The rest of you should hit up your neighbors
for donations.
(And if someone wants to head up the "let's get Sean Carrol to pay the
people he owes money to" section of the RPA I will support that too. I
know I sure haven't been successful in that area.)
Now on to the issue of the Red Star Pilot's Association by-laws change.
Other than my general distrust of organizations and their tendency to
get taken over by a few who just want the limelight, I don't have strong
feelings. Given the number of pilots of eastern-bloc aircraft in the US,
I have trouble seeing a need for a two-tier structure. Heck, I have
trouble seeing a real need for even a one-tier structure. The real work
gets done by a few individuals who have specific interests. It seems to
me that the formation support comes from people like Mike Filucci, not
from RPA. Parts for CJ6As come into this country by dint of the efforts
of people like Doug Sapp and the Selbys. Safe operating procedures come
from a lot of people having interesting discussions on this mailing list
but again I would like to point a finger in the general direction of
Jeff Linebaugh who does a great job of helping the rest of us think
about how things work. And don't forget about Dennis Savarese, Richard
Goode, Mark Bitterlich, Walt Murphy, Gus Fraser, and others who are more
than helpful in answering questions about Yak-52s.
The point is: this stuff happens because of the interests of
individuals, not organizations.
(And, yes, I really did rejoin YPA today.)
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Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Steve Dalton wrote:
> My -52TW has the Russian M9-35 centrifugal advance mags with the Slick
> Start system installed to help in starting. The engine is started with
> the mags at 1+2. Works great!
This is a little known feature of the Slick Start system. You can use it
with any magneto to turn it into a "shower of sparks" system. The
problem is timing. Somehow you have to retard the mag timing to fire at
or after TDC when starting. The retard breaker does this as does an
impulse coupling. Centrifugal advance mags do this too as their timing
is down to less than 5 degrees BTDC when the engine is at idle RPM or lower.
If you connect a Slick Start system to a regular mag with fixed timing
(around 25 degrees BTDC) you pretty much guarantee kick-back as it
*will* fire your cylinders at 25d BTDC.
Frankly, we knew about variable ignition timing a long time ago. Cars in
the '40s had centrifugal advance AND vacuum advance (you can advance the
timing if you are running at a lower MAP, something to consider if
flying cross-country). So why are we still using fixed-timed mags?
If I had an M-14P I certainly would have at least the
centrifugal-advance mags and probably put in a slick-start system and
punt the boost coil. The boost coil is Ford Model-T technology. Using
the high-voltage distributor to handle timing is just plain old UGLY!
Of course, there is no reason not to run an electronic ignition system
either.
I think I know how I am going to wire the starting system on my CJ. No
boost coil for me.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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