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1. 04:04 AM - Re: Re: Vote vote vote (Craig Payne)
2. 05:47 AM - Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell (Fraser, Gus)
3. 06:04 AM - Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 06:04 AM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Fraser, Gus)
5. 06:10 AM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 06:15 AM - Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell (ron wasson)
7. 06:33 AM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Fraser, Gus)
8. 06:33 AM - Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell (Fraser, Gus)
9. 07:01 AM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 09:15 AM - CJ6 voltage regulators (JOE HOWSE)
11. 10:48 AM - Vote-vote and the RPA (Drew Blahnick)
12. 12:31 PM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (ADE)
13. 01:09 PM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Roger Doc Kemp)
14. 01:16 PM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Fraser, Gus)
15. 01:48 PM - Re: Vote-vote and the RPA (Ernest Martinez)
16. 02:20 PM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Doug Sapp)
17. 02:37 PM - Re: Re: Vote-vote and the RPA (mark williamson)
18. 02:45 PM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Sherman Charlie)
19. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: Vote-vote and the RPA (Ernest Martinez)
20. 03:27 PM - Re: RPA Political stuff (DaBear)
21. 04:19 PM - Fuels (Craig Payne)
22. 06:53 PM - Alegations and buying airplanes (Russ)
23. 07:13 PM - Simple dual electronic ignition (david stroud)
24. 07:15 PM - Re: Fuels (Ernest Martinez)
25. 07:52 PM - Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell (Brian Lloyd)
26. 07:56 PM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Brian Lloyd)
27. 08:00 PM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Brian Lloyd)
28. 08:12 PM - Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks (Brian Lloyd)
29. 08:15 PM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Brian Lloyd)
30. 08:25 PM - Re: Vote-vote-vote (Brian Lloyd)
31. 08:31 PM - Who else is going to do the work? (Frank Haertlein)
32. 08:32 PM - Re: Fuels (Brian Lloyd)
33. 08:43 PM - Brand New RPA T-shirt (ByronMFox@aol.com)
34. 08:44 PM - Re: Fuels (Frank Haertlein)
35. 09:02 PM - FW: Brand New RPA T-shirt (Frank Haertlein)
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| Subject: | Re: Re: Vote vote vote |
Well Alrighty Now! Just when things were getting dull and everyone has half a glow
from Christmas parties. ( or Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, whatever)
I do believe the broader issues at hand deserve a civil, but measured airing on
the 'list. Nothing wrong with discussion centered on RPA issues not personal
attack. Since no other forum is quite as focused as this 'list that we all support,
use the 'list for "broadcast" type messages. Perhaps more useful discussion
will occur off-list.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | scoop to fix exhaust smell |
Be careful, I no nothing about the internal plumbing of a CJ but think about
the vents on the header tank. The last thing you want is to run out of gas
in the header tank because you have changed the relative pressure dynamics
around the vents and by some fluke you are applying positive pressure to the
header tank vent, enough to blow back the fuel to the mains, great for fuel
efficiency, crap for keeping the motor running.
Gus
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
Subject: Re: Yak-List: scoop to fix exhaust smell
Hi Ron;
May be slightly less drag. Profile and skin friction drag may increase since
it is larger than the original bump. However, if it works as planned, the
exit air should provide a smooth transition and eliminate the turbulence
behind the bump. A tuft test would give some insight (if it's worth the
effort), your flight tests do not indicate a problem.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: ron <mailto:ronwasson@mindspring.com> wasson
Subject: Yak-List: scoop to fix exhaust smell
I think I have a cheap fix for the?exhaust smell on a CJ. A?reverse?scoop in
place of the panel over the header fuel tank on the belly. This is a screw
on panel with no mods to the A/C. It?creates a large low?pressure in the
header tank bay. This bay has two large holes in for the copilot seat
up/down seat adjustment. The panel is fiberglass with black carbon fiber
around the screw edges. Test flown out to 370k and acro.? Close trail
wingman sees no flutter. Front vent open, this thing flows a lot of air and
there is no exhaust smell. Side vent open there is lots of exhaust. Fresh
air from the front air vent now seems to make it to the back This might make
it cooler in summer? while leaving the side vent closed.I have no CO meter
just my nose.?Price is $110? plus shipping. Pictures attached. This about
cost. The fiberglass guy is willing to do them as long as the?temporary mold
lasts as a favor plus a Yak ride once and while. ?If there is interest he
will make up a batch.? Edge holes undrilled?since each A/C is
slightly?different on the nut plates. Painted in epoxy to seal for oil.
There is got to be more drag but I can't tell it from the gps ground speed
or climb.
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<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Be careful, I no nothing about the internal
plumbing of a CJ but think about the vents on the header tank. The last
thing you want is to run out of gas in the header tank because you have changed
the relative pressure dynamics around the vents and by some fluke you are
applying positive pressure to the header tank vent, enough to blow back the fuel
to the mains, great for fuel efficiency, crap for keeping the motor
running.
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<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter
Lannon
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: scoop to fix exhaust
smell
Hi Ron;
May be slightly less drag. Profile and skin
friction dragmay increase since it is larger than the original bump.
However, if it works as planned, the exit air should provide a smooth
transition and eliminate the turbulence behind the bump. A tuft test would
give some insight (if it's worth the effort),your flight tests do not
indicate a problem.
Walt
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<A title=ronwasson@mindspring.com ">ron
wasson
To: <A title=yak-list@matronics.com
">yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 4:29
PM
Subject: Yak-List: scoop to fix exhaust
smell
I think I have a cheap fix for the?exhaust smell on
a CJ. A?reverse?scoop in place of the panel over the header fuel tank on the
belly. This is a screw on panel with no mods to the A/C. It?creates a large
low?pressure in the header tank bay. This bay has two large holes in for the
copilot seat up/down seat adjustment. The panel is fiberglass with black
carbon fiber around the screw edges. Test flown out to 370k and acro.? Close
trail wingman sees no flutter. Front vent open, this thing flows a lot of
air and there is no exhaust smell. Side vent open there is lots of exhaust.
Fresh air from the front air vent now seems to make it to the back This
might make it cooler in summer? while leaving the side vent closed.I have no
CO meter just my nose.?Price is $110? plus shipping. Pictures
attached. This about cost. The fiberglass guy is willing to do them as long
as the?temporary mold lasts as a favor plus a Yak ride once and while. ?If
there is interest he will make up a batch.? Edge holes undrilled?since each
A/C is slightly?different on the nut plates. Painted in epoxy to seal for
oil. There is got to be more drag but I can't tell it from the gps ground
speed or climb.
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| Subject: | Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell |
Gus,
I think you'll find that the header tank has a dedicated vent line that run
(on CJ-6) from the header tank up the left side of the front cockpit than
down to exit the belly of the airplane just near the wing root. Venting the
belly should not interfere with the head tank since its sealed.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Be careful, I no nothing about the internal plumbing of a CJ but think about
the vents on the header tank. The last thing you want is to run out of gas
in the header tank because you have changed the relative pressure dynamics
around the vents and by some fluke you are applying positive pressure to the
header tank vent, enough to blow back the fuel to the mains, great for fuel
efficiency, crap for keeping the motor running.
Gus
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| Subject: | Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Brian,
A buddy of mine fitted electronic ignition to his RV. He did one side then
when he was happy with that he did the other side. One very important thing
to remember, what about total electrical failure. He solved this by
installing an emergency power supply for the electronic ignition with a low
voltage sense circuit on the main power. On the very much plus side he says,
though I have not seen this myself, that he does not get mag drop when
switching as the ignition system is doing such a bang up job.
Gus
>Of course, there is no reason not to run an electronic ignition system
either.
>I think I know how I am going to wire the starting system on my CJ. No
boost coil for me.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Brian,
Designing and making available an "electronic ignition" that would virtually
eliminate our antiquated ignition system would be THE ultimate for both the
Housai and M14 engines. The M9F (fixed timing) mags on the M14P are getting
extremely expensive and difficult to find.
With your vast knowledge, could you design an electronic ignition that we
might take to some small job shop manufacturer to have made for our engines?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Steve Dalton wrote:
>
>> My -52TW has the Russian M9-35 centrifugal advance mags with the Slick
>> Start system installed to help in starting. The engine is started with
>> the mags at 1+2. Works great!
>
> This is a little known feature of the Slick Start system. You can use it
> with any magneto to turn it into a "shower of sparks" system. The
> problem is timing. Somehow you have to retard the mag timing to fire at
> or after TDC when starting. The retard breaker does this as does an
> impulse coupling. Centrifugal advance mags do this too as their timing
> is down to less than 5 degrees BTDC when the engine is at idle RPM or
> lower.
>
> If you connect a Slick Start system to a regular mag with fixed timing
> (around 25 degrees BTDC) you pretty much guarantee kick-back as it
> *will* fire your cylinders at 25d BTDC.
>
> Frankly, we knew about variable ignition timing a long time ago. Cars in
> the '40s had centrifugal advance AND vacuum advance (you can advance the
> timing if you are running at a lower MAP, something to consider if
> flying cross-country). So why are we still using fixed-timed mags?
>
> If I had an M-14P I certainly would have at least the
> centrifugal-advance mags and probably put in a slick-start system and
> punt the boost coil. The boost coil is Ford Model-T technology. Using
> the high-voltage distributor to handle timing is just plain old UGLY!
>
> Of course, there is no reason not to run an electronic ignition system
> either.
>
> I think I know how I am going to wire the starting system on my CJ. No
> boost coil for me.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell |
header vent is a aluminum tube out of the top of the tank all the way
to the wing root
ron wasson
ronwasson@mindspring.com
On Dec 12, 2005, at 7:46 AM, Fraser, Gus wrote:
> Be careful, I no nothing about the internal plumbing of a CJ but
> think about the vents on the header tank. The last thing you want
> is to run out of gas in the header tank because you have changed
> the relative pressure dynamics around the vents and by some fluke
> you are applying positive pressure to the header tank vent, enough
> to blow back the fuel to the mains, great for fuel efficiency, crap
> for keeping the motor running.
>
> Gus
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 2:58 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: scoop to fix exhaust smell
>
> Hi Ron;
>
> May be slightly less drag. Profile and skin friction drag may
> increase since it is larger than the original bump. However, if it
> works as planned, the exit air should provide a smooth transition
> and eliminate the turbulence behind the bump. A tuft test would
> give some insight (if it's worth the effort), your flight tests do
> not indicate a problem.
>
> Walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ron wasson
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 4:29 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: scoop to fix exhaust smell
>
> I think I have a cheap fix for the?exhaust smell on a CJ. A?reverse?
> scoop in place of the panel over the header fuel tank on the belly.
> This is a screw on panel with no mods to the A/C. It?creates a
> large low?pressure in the header tank bay. This bay has two large
> holes in for the copilot seat up/down seat adjustment. The panel is
> fiberglass with black carbon fiber around the screw edges. Test
> flown out to 370k and acro.? Close trail wingman sees no flutter.
> Front vent open, this thing flows a lot of air and there is no
> exhaust smell. Side vent open there is lots of exhaust. Fresh air
> from the front air vent now seems to make it to the back This might
> make it cooler in summer? while leaving the side vent closed.I have
> no CO meter just my nose.?Price is $110? plus shipping. Pictures
> attached. This about cost. The fiberglass guy is willing to do them
> as long as the?temporary mold lasts as a favor plus a Yak ride once
> and while. ?If there is interest he will make up a batch.? Edge
> holes undrilled?since each A/C is slightly?different on the nut
> plates. Painted in epoxy to seal for oil. There is got to be more
> drag but I can't tell it from the gps ground speed or climb.
>
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| Subject: | Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
I would buy a set. Especially if it were in a job lot with fuel injection.
Ok Ok I am allowed to dream it's early. Wow that would mean that in aviation
we have engines that belong if not in the 21st centaury at the end of the
20th :)))
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
--> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Brian,
Designing and making available an "electronic ignition" that would virtually
eliminate our antiquated ignition system would be THE ultimate for both the
Housai and M14 engines. The M9F (fixed timing) mags on the M14P are getting
extremely expensive and difficult to find.
With your vast knowledge, could you design an electronic ignition that we
might take to some small job shop manufacturer to have made for our engines?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Steve Dalton wrote:
>
>> My -52TW has the Russian M9-35 centrifugal advance mags with the Slick
>> Start system installed to help in starting. The engine is started with
>> the mags at 1+2. Works great!
>
> This is a little known feature of the Slick Start system. You can use it
> with any magneto to turn it into a "shower of sparks" system. The
> problem is timing. Somehow you have to retard the mag timing to fire at
> or after TDC when starting. The retard breaker does this as does an
> impulse coupling. Centrifugal advance mags do this too as their timing
> is down to less than 5 degrees BTDC when the engine is at idle RPM or
> lower.
>
> If you connect a Slick Start system to a regular mag with fixed timing
> (around 25 degrees BTDC) you pretty much guarantee kick-back as it
> *will* fire your cylinders at 25d BTDC.
>
> Frankly, we knew about variable ignition timing a long time ago. Cars in
> the '40s had centrifugal advance AND vacuum advance (you can advance the
> timing if you are running at a lower MAP, something to consider if
> flying cross-country). So why are we still using fixed-timed mags?
>
> If I had an M-14P I certainly would have at least the
> centrifugal-advance mags and probably put in a slick-start system and
> punt the boost coil. The boost coil is Ford Model-T technology. Using
> the high-voltage distributor to handle timing is just plain old UGLY!
>
> Of course, there is no reason not to run an electronic ignition system
> either.
>
> I think I know how I am going to wire the starting system on my CJ. No
> boost coil for me.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
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| Subject: | scoop to fix exhaust smell |
Thanks Ron,
As far as CJs go my ignorance knows no bounds. :))
Gus
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron wasson
Subject: Re: Yak-List: scoop to fix exhaust smell
header vent is a aluminum tube out of the top of the tank all the way to the
wing root
ron wasson
ronwasson@mindspring.com <mailto:ronwasson@mindspring.com>
On Dec 12, 2005, at 7:46 AM, Fraser, Gus wrote:
Be careful, I no nothing about the internal plumbing of a CJ but think about
the vents on the header tank. The last thing you want is to run out of gas
in the header tank because you have changed the relative pressure dynamics
around the vents and by some fluke you are applying positive pressure to the
header tank vent, enough to blow back the fuel to the mains, great for fuel
efficiency, crap for keeping the motor running.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com> ] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
Subject: Re: Yak-List: scoop to fix exhaust smell
Hi Ron;
May be slightly less drag. Profile and skin friction drag may increase since
it is larger than the original bump. However, if it works as planned, the
exit air should provide a smooth transition and eliminate the turbulence
behind the bump. A tuft test would give some insight (if it's worth the
effort), your flight tests do not indicate a problem.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:ronwasson@mindspring.com> ron wasson
Subject: Yak-List: scoop to fix exhaust smell
I think I have a cheap fix for the?exhaust smell on a CJ. A?reverse?scoop in
place of the panel over the header fuel tank on the belly. This is a screw
on panel with no mods to the A/C. It?creates a large low?pressure in the
header tank bay. This bay has two large holes in for the copilot seat
up/down seat adjustment. The panel is fiberglass with black carbon fiber
around the screw edges. Test flown out to 370k and acro.? Close trail
wingman sees no flutter. Front vent open, this thing flows a lot of air and
there is no exhaust smell. Side vent open there is lots of exhaust. Fresh
air from the front air vent now seems to make it to the back This might make
it cooler in summer? while leaving the side vent closed.I have no CO meter
just my nose.?Price is $110? plus shipping. Pictures attached. This about
cost. The fiberglass guy is willing to do them as long as the?temporary mold
lasts as a favor plus a Yak ride once and while. ?If there is interest he
will make up a batch.? Edge holes undrilled?since each A/C is
slightly?different on the nut plates. Painted in epoxy to seal for oil.
There is got to be more drag but I can't tell it from the gps ground speed
or climb.
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color#0000ff size2>As far as CJs go my ignorance knows no bounds.
:))
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color#0000ff size2>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ron
wasson
To:
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: scoop to fix exhaust
smell
header vent is a aluminum tube out of the top of the tank all the
way to the wing root
ron wasson
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gas in the header tank because you have changed the relative pressure
dynamics around the vents and by some fluke you are applying positive
pressure to the header tank vent, enough to blow back the fuel to the mains,
great for fuel efficiency, crap for keeping the motor
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Sunday, December 11, 2005 2:58 PM<BR
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">yak-list@matronics.com<BR
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<SPAN classApple-style-span
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<SPAN classApple-style-span
style"FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">May be slightly less drag.
Profile and skin friction dragmay increase since it is larger than
the original bump. However, if it works as planned, the exit air should
provide a smooth transition and eliminate the turbulence behind the bump.
A tuft test would give some insight (if it's worth the effort),your
flight tests do not indicate a problem.
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I think I have a cheap fix for the?exhaust
smell on a CJ. A?reverse?scoop in place of the panel over the header
fuel tank on the belly. This is a screw on panel with no mods to the
A/C. It?creates a large low?pressure in the header tank bay. This bay
has two large holes in for the copilot seat up/down seat adjustment. The
panel is fiberglass with black carbon fiber around the screw edges. Test
flown out to 370k and acro.? Close trail wingman sees no flutter. Front
vent open, this thing flows a lot of air and there is no exhaust smell.
Side vent open there is lots of exhaust. Fresh air from the front air
vent now seems to make it to the back This might make it cooler in
summer? while leaving the side vent closed.I have no CO meter just my
nose.?<SPAN classApple-style-span
style"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Price is $110? plus shipping.
Pictures attached. This about cost. The fiberglass guy is willing to do
them as long as the?temporary mold lasts as a favor plus a Yak ride once
and while. ?If there is interest he will make up a batch.? Edge holes
undrilled?since each A/C is slightly?different on the nut plates.
Painted in epoxy to seal for oil. There is got to be more drag but I
can't tell it from the gps ground speed or
climb.<BR
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| Subject: | Re: Vote-vote-vote |
No need to archive.
Just to kick the cow pies some more before bugging out to enjoy the holiness
of Christmas.
Brain said in summery
The point is: this stuff happens because of the interests of
individuals, not organizations.
Plato said; "Anarchism is the perfect democracy. It keeps destroying it
self."
No organization can exist with individuals and individuals can't get any
where without organization. The very basic fact that you have an airplane to
fly is a product of organization.
Now Brain said he can get along very well without organization. Well the
licenses, ratings and FAST cards that are in his pocket came from
organizations. They are not handed out wily-nilly and without care or forethought.
(And, yes, I really did rejoin YPA today.)
Yea! Now if someone in his region will put his name on the BoD ballot what
a joy I would have in watching that!!!
And it's "RPA" not "YPA". :)))))
Jim "I'm out a here for Christmas, Pappy" Goolsby
Marry Christmas everybody!
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| Subject: | CJ6 voltage regulators |
I have a replacement for the ZY1500 original voltage regulator using an American
carbon pile regulator and a diode for reverse current control.
All in a package that will bolt on using the existing hardware and wiring.
Contact me off line for info.
Joe Howse
joeh@shaw.ca
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| Subject: | Vote-vote and the RPA |
Folks,
This is long, has it all, addresses some questions posted and if you ever wanted
to get in to what goes on behind the scenes in positioning the RPA for operations,
here it is, printing is suggested, please respond off list to me directly,
as I probably won't catch posts and won't to keep the list for maintenance
and related activity.
The other night coming home from a local house party I happen to see B. Lloyds
post and responded - I'm glad to see Jim Goolsby called Brian, that was the
better way to address his post; I was offended at his words as I know that Jim
G. has put a lot of effort forward right up to this month at ICAS on behalf of
friends, events and programs. I made the decision to contacting Brian last night,
and will do so, but that was a little late for my reply. I recently read
the autobiography (re-edited) of Ben Franklin, he had good advice in such matters
-
Thanks to those of you who emailed me off list yesterday, I didn't recognize
every name, but if you atend the Waycross event I hope to see you there.
I'm also glad to see Al posted a more positive message, "positive is not in-accurate"
here, just reflective of a more constructive position.
I'm pleased to write the following, past the ars stuff is what I think excellent
back-end information on the RPA, it may lead you to join or help out...
Now please read this next section carefully, I will try to keep this from becoming
a philosophical rant. And I would like to make a request, I write this
because I can address the listers at one time, but reply directly to me off list
and I will respond accordingly, and if there is something you bring up that
I need to address as a group, it will go out in one of the RPA NOTAMS (an extensive
one was in the works and sent last night) to the membership if needed.
I will also address, as someone asked, those points Al brought up. But again,
in respect of this list as a hard core maintenance and technical service to
yak and CJ owners, reply off list.
Ok, here goes:
All red star and rpa....The RPA, The RedStar Pilots Association. It should not
be "over there", it should not be "those guys, who knows who they are", it
should not be one or a few individuals, it should not be in your mind Mike Filluci
or Drew Blahnick or Barry Hancock or Jim Goolsby or...
But for some, and many, it's not is it? It is that guy or those few guys...I
recognized that when I first put pen to paper (with the help of B. Lloyd by the
way) to found ARS. Some guy called me, a Yak 52 driver, and said (true story)
"hey, if this is another one of those CJ formation club events my group isn't
coming" When I asked why, it went something like this "that yak pilots association
is some CJ guys over on the East coast telling us yak owners how to
fly here?". Well, I felt the same at the time, and since I started with the
goal of giving an event that everyone on the western seaboard would have a reason
to attend, I realized it needed to be all aircraft - and what to call it -
all aircraft...only thing uniting them is their origination and what western-only
pilots call a backward turning prop..."all backward turning prop convention"...no,
kinda dumb...what about that Red Star...almost all have or had a Red
Star....All Red Star - final credit goes probably to
someone
out there I was on the cell phone discussing this issue with. Who cares about
a name anyways right, its flying that's important. No, perceptions are important
The event had some 45 aircraft that year and it was as poorly run as you might
expect for a first go at it, but with the help of volunteers it often didn't
feel that way to attendees, who ultimately voted with their aircraft and returned
for more good times each year and each year it has gotten better - Barry
came on the second year and his incredible drive and enthusiasm assured it would
head in the right direction.
It was very much differant than the normal events you attend on the back side
as well, we leased on airport dormatories and rec halls, the size mandated special
emergency coordination procedures with airport and local authories (or I
was just anal about anyone ending up in the a farm trapped under a burning piece
of aluminum), and there was endless emails and phone calls to convince the
airport manager and answer his 10pm "hey what about this..."
this was a full time job, but it was a challenge to pull off for the group, and
we had nothing else going on the entire west coast...and the real reason I
made a LLC to operate the event under? Why? The real reason? Cause someone told
this recently Air Force active duty captain that "hey, better watch yourself,
any one of your 40 airplanes has an accident and you could get sued big time
from just about anyone" So someone suggested incorporating the event would
somehow protect my home - a corporate bubble if you will - today I seriously
doubt that reality. I had already opened a business account under a locally registered
state DBA, so that I kept my personal account seperate from ARS, which
was becoming quite a bear to manage.
Every year ARS attempts to charged more than what is 'break even' from the cost
of the leases, cleaning bills, printing, food catering, self purchased consumables,
rubber chickens, bomb drop flour, etc. in the hopes of having a growing
kitty to increase next years events; a massive tent on the tarmack-great idea,
we need 3 projectors to hold all the briefings and classes-great idea, we
need a portable PA system-great idea, we need 8 walky talkies - great idea, we
need custom trophies for all the competitions and tournaments - great idea, we
need to pay for a band for the guys-great idea, we need dancing girls at the
friday crud tournament - bad idea...
ARS was supposed to be, and did become, a 4-5 day unique aviation event for backward
turning props to train, to learn, to meet, to party and to generate embarrassing
storys like when Dave King drove the rental car in to a park bench
at the rec center or Barry ran outside to see a formation fly-by and drove his
noggin straight in to a plate glass window or I failed to prep my rear mag switch
during JimG. scoring of the first ever formation team challenge and cost
the A Team the win, mistakes were made, some small and trivial, some large and
not so trivial, some that bug me to this day - such as the nice guy that purchased
B. Lloyds aircraft who left pretty darn upset because collectively, but
individually, a high hand and not a guiding one, was taken towards this flyer
and his aircraft. That lesson, and a few others, reminded me the axiom for this
event, and one that is such a challenge in this position as the president of
the RPA as both Mike and I have reflected on in the
past;
How you sound in communication has a bigger effect than the message itself, and
the resultant message is always the first thing to get lost in the transmission.
I was often too busy to say thank you enough to volunteers and supporters, the
goal was to get it on its feet and not bust an airplane or go further in to
credit card debt (comingled funds? Yes, I comingled my personal funds to pay for
upfront costs and ran a credit card debt to remind me to apply for a business
card - this is what drives me to help establish an RPA event business account
and provide RPA event organizers an association charge card for their event
startup and seed costs as I know Shane and Ira and very aware)
Let me also say that me and Barry always believed that ARS could have a low-intrusive
sat-one day airshow venue hosting our RPA acts where gates were sold
to the public, shirts hats food etc., cororate sponsors and local business would
support the effort and this would then pay for the assoc. pilots to have ARS
for no-low cost, the ICAS performers would be compensated as per market rates,
RPA would get a hefty donation to support its operations and have its' own
airshow (sorta like the CAF does), and the full time/near full time staff would
be compensated as it is real part time to full time effort (especially in the
last 2 months pre-event). Remember, I started ARS before I was ever on the board
or its president, this was the original "where do we go with this", don't
confuse this with
This model has never happened, but Barry tested the format to great success
in 2005 on a break even plan basis - costs were higher than expected, it came
up short, ARS is, as many of the attendees have told me personally "the best time
they ever had with their airplanes" (and yes, as I recounted, a few will say
a lot less than that, and if I had something to do with that, I apologize,
email me off list - but please, not about the lack of pillows or sheets!!). Barry
invested in ARS after it was founded and running in year II, we believed
it had such potential for the benefit of all, and the economic energy from visitors
who wanted an airshow at castle (big ex military base and community) would
make a return on several years investment, not from our pilot buds who showed
up, we have a great time and help fund the fly-in event only, but from the
gate revenues that ultimately would pay for all the member-flyers to attend for
near free and pay for all the rest of what goes in
to an
airshow.
So to the idea of comingling funds. Not accurate, but certainly a sloppy first
attempt at accounting by crayon - and I have taken my turn at the head of
that awards podium!! On recommendation by a nationwide and insanely expensive
accounting firm, the recommendation was to run ARS while its an event-only through
RPA - its an RPA event - and then have RPA treasury cut the checks back
to the organizers to pay all bills. No real differant then any other event in
our stable, except this one involves a great deal more attendees and a lot of
bills - greatest quote from ARS I attendee: you guys are basically running a
wedding here with three people.
If you want to look at it as RPA looks to Barry and his volunteer team to put
on ARS, whatever, he doesn't get paid, but the leases do, the tent provider,
the toilet provider, the caterer and Costco/Amex gets paid - out of the fees collected
and shirts sold. Sloppy execution on our part in the past - you bet,
many of you don't know Jim Esposito worked hard to be the treasurer for the RPA,
but got called away, only until Ira answered the call did we get some dedicated
pro on board. I take the blame for that.
So where did we at ARS and to a lessor extent every every RPA event goof up good
accounting? Here's how; If you wrote a check to the RPA for ARS or any event
such as MTW or Waycross, and also purchased an RPA hat or shirt, at any event,
even though we all know better, in the heat of battle the checks get written,
dumped in to an envelope and mailed off to the RPA account - - and we (event
organizers from around the assoc, me included) drove Ira nuts, completely
nuts, I mean out of his gord nuts, steam coming out of my computer from his emails
- because Ira is trying to do his job as an RPA volunteer in treasury; figure
out what this check was for - "ok, $86, this guy bought a membership at Waycross
and a hat probably, $75 from Joe Smith at MTW, this is his event fees,
$236.50 from ARS, this is his event fees and some hats and polos, ugg, Drew we
need a system"..."yes we do Ira, talk to me man" and off we go on yet another
RPA problem solving effort to make this 8 legged o
ctopus
run smoother...This is nothing new from the begining of the YPA, except we are
larger with more events, but with Iras help and recommendation, and Deons web
automation and EStore plug in support, and Byrons efficiency with merchandise
shipping and inventory all we non accountant trained (can you be a non trained
accountant) pilots have learned to take new measures to save Ira from blowing
a gasket. I can not say enough about the need for volunteers with unique skill
sets to come forward to help save the day...
Did I personally profit from ARS? Yes and no: No - I skipped many, many man-days
with my Air Force Reserve unit (until they got tired of that and activated
me ;) to get things ready for ARS that cost a ton (by the way, Mike later told
me his volunteer time with YPA/RPA cost him big in such reserve duty/dropped
trips as well, time is money, more about how I'm trying to save you the volunteers
more of that in a second), I spent personal money and ran up a credit
card bill for last minute and big purchases that I had no seed money for (biggest
was a lap top sony vio for ars that broke before ars II, grrr). I know B.
Lloyd spent gas money on that first year scouting trips, and barry has invested
time, money and more time, so I'm far from the only one and pretty much looking
in from the outside now. I will tell you how I profited in a second...
Although incorporating was expensive, it was the right thing to do I believe,
as this was pre-YPA/RPA (we put ars on originally as a stand alone event for
the west coast crowd, only later did I get a call from Mike and got suckered in...just
kidding man) and my accountant helped a great deal with legitimate tax
deductions to offset some costs. I still don't think I would ever have protected
my small estate from a lawsuit derived from a blade-hub seperation or other
tragedy...Profit? Yes, I met a lot of interesting and cool aviators, I went
to ICAS to get the event/airshow organizational training they provide to do
some speed learning on how to better run these things, Barry has gone as has the
events ground boss Amy,
Through trial and error, mistakes and luck, and long flights to New York with
a software manual I learned a lot about business structure, had to learn the
basics of HTML code, basic web design, photoshop and how to work with images and
basic graphic arts (ever wonder who designed the logo and patches in the RPA?
Or the banners at ARS/RPA event banners, the RPA redstar header art on your
newsletter, hangar talk or member notams I call "E-Coms" - except, I did not
inspire those 2005 flaming wing logos for ARS/RPA, I ain't gonna say anything
about that design, but it would probably look good on my Wisconsin big dog chopper
;) I pofited on how to really get something out of Excell, why databases
are so vital, organizational structure, learned a lot about the inner workings
of a CJ, refreshed myself every year about bail out and recovery from the ars
classes, drank a few free beers (ok, more than a few), got to feel like I was
flying back in the military with like minded frien
ds
without the OPRs, command post instrusions (well, on second thought the airfield
manager could be a real pain) and mounds of paperwork that occurs before we
ever get to sing the gear lever or click the nvgs in place and head for the low
level,
and because of Mark Shricks direct efforts and all those who helped, attendid
and volunteered, we have a video from the History Channel of this event to show
perhaps your grandkids if you got a copy. (and I should take a moment to apologize
to Mark Shrick for not clearly understanding what he was up to that year,
that guy is a bull at getting compicarted stuff accomplished I believe).
Let me make something clear - this email is a lot of "i" this and that because
some of you asked some questions. But outside of year one and two, the major
cost in time and effort and headaches with ars has been born by someone else,
although I am clearly responsible for how the RPA manages and co-operates with
our events and other operations and take it on the chin for policy gaffs or
mistakes.
My biggest let down? Barry invested money in ARS after it was established when
we were sure we had the right idea to benefit all with a smaller public event
imbedded in ars, and I got activated and then moved with my displacement to
the east coast, not to mention rpa duties - if a saturday civillian event is
to happen ever, it will take the same dedication and time that got the mega fly-in
going, but more, much more, - Barry has put together an exapanded team to
provide you an improved, year after year, ARS event. Knowing what it takes to
make the original goal execute, it's a bummer not to be there in time or location
to face to face with vendors, sponsors, county, CoC, etc. to add to that
time from the background. He doesn't know this, but regardless if the conditions
resulted in me being a motivated seller, I wanted Barry to purchase my Yak
50 at what was $10,000+ under what I had in it with morgage and big refurb bills
and add on costs instead of selling and sending s
omehwere
else (barry, in our lingo - a zero balance comp, but no comp for sure), much in
part over his efforts in ARS, with the original design of buying it back at
his fair price - anyways, thats beyond the scope of this email.
But here is the result of ARS, regardless if I or anyone else cut their teeth
and made for poor calculator drivers and had to learn on the run; ARS gave back
to the attendees and member of this association big time, and has great potential
to do so, if you pay an event fee, your fee goes to pay all the bills,
and if anything is left over, it goes in the kitty, Barry may send a volunteer
to ICAS or may have to purchase a lap top or printer for the War Room at the
event one day, that's why the rule was from day one: break even on event fees
is a great way of starting over in debt every year and burning out...meanwhile
the accounting lessons get learned RPA wide and things improve for all event
management operations.
My final word on ars is also applicable to the rpa ; I tend to be mission oriented
when the tasks are ahead and not behind me, to the point that folks and
officers in past military missions, could rightly ask if I'm an s.o.b. at times.
Folks can make any mistakes and gaffs in execution around me, heck I do, that's
to be expected and makes us human and allows us to learn, if not litening
up the mood, but I can be short and ill tempered with people who point fingers
from behind who had the chance to lead from the front, or indicated they would
or could, but don't or won't. Those who know me, or ever socialized at the
bar after the mission was put to bed know that my s.o.b. side is a part time
occupation only ;)
With the RPA in this position, and leading a normal life, I can and should get
to the point of working headlong on providing others (volunteers) an ability
to more efficiently execute their missions while not being the Airborne commander
at every event with an issue colt .45 in the right hand yelling follow me
(this will make more sense when I hit the newsletter question) - that role (although
not quite that comical) is for you, the leaders in the field, at events,
at airshows, as program managers ...my job, due to the amount of work needed,
is to give you a platform to execute your programs, technology solutions not
of my own invention of course that help you spend less time working for free,
accounts, legal & fin. tools, working policies that promote the charter and
on and on...I have said it before, this is leadership of and by the group, I will
point the direction based on the volunteer manpower available, that direction
is often given to me by you, but in the end when
the
grenade rolls in to the fox hole, someone in that foxhole has to jump on it or
stick his head up and throw it back...pointing to the next guy just gets us all
waxed...
Now let me hit these others: I will add comments on personal association infrustructure
and systems solutions that may slightly wander off topic, but some
of you may find interesting to the back end machinery of this association...
1. Since becoming the RPA, we have grown smaller.
No, the RPA database is at 315 +/- 20 based on the membership cut off date nov
and because we don't have an automated membership reminder sytem for our current
12 month rolling system, and some % of members aren't loggin in much at the
web, if we take 2005 calendar memberships its at 365. When I joined we had
285+/-. Each year we gain and loose, but the net is a gain. The transition certainly
lost us some folks, but gained others during this time. I get all e-store
transaction records and see renewals every day. This does not mean we are
doing a good job, both in member services I will touch on and membership/renewal
drive support. On that let me say we need to bring in the simply technolgy
solution, among many other services, that auto-reminds folks to renew as long
as we are on the 12 month rolling membership program driven by our server side
database system. I have hired a web coder provided by Deon for the web make-over
and this should be fixed. Small pet pieve, let
me move
on...
2. I changed the name to attract jets.
No, I proposed to the membership and board that the long term benefits of the
association and to its membership would best be served if we had a name that
did not alienate anyone, based on make or model aircraft. The membership voted
overwhelmingly for the name change. Remember all red star, same grass roots
concept. Jets have been showing up more in the association, but like anything
else, they need a reason to be here, but the name change is for all owner/operators,
nanchang, yak, mig, Su, etc. more on that later, lets move on...
3. We went over 6 qtrs without a newsletter and thats a key membership service.
True! When the YPA started up Mike was often left to put together, print, fold,
stuff, lick and mail your newsletters, lots of time involved for sure. When
I took over I made the decision that a paper newsletter is a great idea, now
lets come up with an efficient plan to share design, production and distribution.
The author of this statement about not having a newsletter certainly did
not volunteer to take on even a portion of the duties of this program himself
- and not his fault I guess, he may equally have had major time limits himself.
So during my activation with the AF reserves I searched another solution,
how can I get a platform that will allow members to communicate with other members
more efficiently and retain the interesting nature of a newsletter with
pictures to convey meaning, etc. Paper is once every 3 months, sure would like
to communicate more often, like an occasional flight training bulletin, or maintenance
alert or "notice to members" that doesn't
kill us
to issue to membership....so I looked at how the big boys solve this issue, how
AMR does it and my union does it for us pilots at american...remember, the issue
is giving you the services and making the service not a killer to volunteers....our
current electronic newsletter service.
Cut and paste this entire string in to your browser, or click it if its a hot
link,
http://www.maildogmanager.com/page.html?p=000001XDDtjKE68MIelVwwJr006I8TB8yCSg==
or this one sent out recently by me on membership news and ops update:
http://www.maildogmanager.com/page.html?p=000001XDDtjH889sQYkwYguzLuiRUByoRM
or this one on flight training:
http://www.maildogmanager.com/page.html?p=000001XDDtjL0998UZkgchujPviBRcMMuFTQ==
or this on Shanes Waycross event, you can also sign up to atend from this one:
http://www.maildogmanager.com/page.html?p=000001XDDtjH+b/c8TmA0rsDnlgh4KwY9H
You may not like it, but I've worked many many hours with the staff at maildog
in St Petersburg Florida to solve issues of non delivery, posting on the web,
public access archiving for back issue review - and if you are a paid up member
and did not get last nights Member NOTAM that I have a link to above, you
should let me know off list.
But here is the key; even this system gets left behind without motivated/dedicated
and talented volunteers from our membership - recently, Dan Fortin, Ashley
Battles and Zoe came forward to help with several aspects of producing these
e-coms/newsletters for us. Even though the system is set up, it's dependant
on a group of member-volunteers to master and use this simple online platform,
the hard work has been done, now all that is needed is people to jump in. What
about the folks with no email address, or don't use a computer? We have 2
on our rolls now with "no email". Our new regional board members would be tasked
with mailing out to their consituents a paper version - or everyone gets paper
newsletter, the key is in the elected leadership standing as one, taking
charge, to execute and not pointing fingers. If you know of a potential member
who is not computer connected, let me know.
I wear too many hats and you don't want to hear from me only - it takes time
away from hearing from your regional buds or the guy on the other coast who has
a great new glass cockpit he wants to write about, or....the only thing you
really want to hear in my words is what you read in member notams: election notices,
calls for program managers, recent service improvements and other organizational
level info important to you as members, but when it comes to Hangar
Talk (flight training information) Red Alert (newsletter on regional affairs),
Metric (maintenance bulletin) and Event Bulletin (up coming events and instant
online pre-registration) I and every other member wants you to hear from you,
instructors, event organizers, regional active members with interesting stuff
for the rest of us to hear about, etc. So thats why we have worked to perfect
the electronic commnication system as a viable alternative...
Regionalizing the Board and the new By-Laws as it effects member services:
If its a mailed out newsletter you want, I believe I've given you a solution
for the long term success of such services: vote for the By-Laws, and then tell
your regional board nominee who you are voting for to get you a mailed out
newsletter. I spearheaded the regional board system to insure you're desired
service requests are answered because your local bud is on the board.
But let me prepare you; we all have to pitch in and execute from idea to implentation
RPA programs and services, my current board is full of some super guys,
in meetings they put forward their opinions that have resulted in good decisions,
not to single anyone out, but guys like Jim G. have really jumped in and
would spend hours and hours to get out a paper newsletter, and the regional
system will honor his efforts and result in his success much more than being left
to hold the entire system up - thats the vertical nature of this organization
we are trying to flatten. The regional system helps board members focus soley
on their sphere of incluence, in effect, it allows an elected leader to only
bite off what he/she can chew, while retaining the ability to influence the
entire organization through his stewardship. The result is more personalized
service and improved membership experience. And by the way, if you don't get the
services you asked for, I authored and the board p
assed a
simple out of term voter recall system in the by-laws that turns that decision
over to the membership. Ok lets move on...
4. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on spending and revenue
for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was requested many
many times).
Yes it was requested by the person who wrote this statement, just for the record,
I pointedly offered the job of fin. oversite and report producer to this
individual when he requested such information - we needed a volunteer bad. He
was asked to help Jim Esposito (the treasurer who was over taxed by life issues)
and he chose otherwise. Come on, if you are on the board, and you want to
see the books, and we are short one talented volunteer - then jump in and say,
board, I will do it, you have the authority to get the online access to the account
and watch, download reports, etc.
Other than basic accounting, Jim, one of the most honest people I know, simply
could no longer privide this level of service (started his own company and
moved east), we found Ira after several calls to the membership and he spent his
first year creating the infrastructure and quickbooks accounting system that
links up with store transactions that was needed - a ton of work!!. He now reports
to us as he did in the last board meeting (the author of this statement
was not present at this board meeting and won't know this) and has been tasked
to provide visual graphs to me for a specail report on the treasury for an upcoming
e-com/member notam. Also, in the web re-write, I should mention Ira gets
his own page "Finance and Accounting" for him to communicate the state of
treasury for members to view, I see it as mostly graphs and short reports, but
its his puppy.
So what is the state of treasury? Not info for here but its healthy, its growth
is near break even, up a tick. Right now my goal is to set up an event account
and implement a sytem where we can provide secure/controlled seed monies
to event organizers when called for...I want this for another reason, events should
be for all owners, not just those working on their formation cards, instructional
seminars, etc., all kinds of stuff could be going on...as long as you
have the volunteers...
5. We held an election for a board member where Ballots were sent to just a select
few. He's talking about Barry hancock, I had a board seat unfilled and in
the old bylaws the president can appoint a board member until a legal election
as per the interpretation of the previous. Outside of posting a crued online
vote system which did not work, no ballots we're sent out. Barry is aware
that he is appointed to cover the SW and he goes up for election as soon as the
members agree on the by-laws (that mandates the process). All I can say here
folks is I just codeed the first template form for you new board election system
and for the vast majority it will be a snap for us to pull off an election,
so you shouldn't see this issue again for the next guy...
Again the electronic information system I spoke about for your e-coms/newsletter,
etc. also supports online electronic voting at a fraction of the time and
effort on overtaxed volunteers. Like the online form many of you used to vote
on the bylaws, paperless elections are the key to not burning out volunteers
in a staggered 9 member board election multi-year plan. Major unions and other
organizations have gone to this. Ballots will still be mailed out if we get
notified of the need, but with e-coms with imbedded voter platforms that are
also present on the secure side of the web site, publicly downloadable ballots
to mail or fax in, e-vote phone campaigns, I think we can gently push the 99%
of members who have an email address on file an likely a computer connection
to help their association help themselves. Yes, does this potentially leave someone
in the dark?
Yes, but with 98+% with email addresses, what we are really asking is, would
you please take 3 minutes to check the website once a month to save a volunteer(s)
6-9 hours to design, print, fold, stuff, lick, mail, open, read, manually
input with pencil or keyboard your vote?
Toward that end, based on the high use of the e-voter form (forms I custom design
or pay a coder $50 bucks a pop for -hint, I'm doing them myself) I am having
the web coder make a members only room dedicated to elections and governance.
On it will be the by-laws displayed, current lists of whos who, candidate
bios, and e-voter form links for whatever elections are running. Through this
and e-coms, that should tackle most voters, and the rest would be contacted
directly via phone or mail by region, as Harry Duston is heading up now with the
by-law vote.
6. I waited until 30 days prior to the bod elections to change the by laws.
Folks, the real story is this entire regional system was one of my founding plans
layed out to the board in our first board meeting years ago, I even put it
in to an early slide graphic at ars the first year. I pushed it to a vote then
with the board, the author of this statment was, as is his right, the vocal
critic of it then and now, then, the other bod members voted one way - This
year the other members of the board did not agree with his basic position and
voted otherwise - the measure passed 6 to 1 as public record. The reality is,
I should have continued pushing it all along, but during non election years I
focused on the e-com systema and other items. We have a near complete turn over
in 2005-2006, so this is the best time to let you decide, with your votes,
on what election system to use, old or new, do it now or let it languish. I
want you to have that choice, because if its a regional system with accountable
directors working for you that you know regioanlly,
I want
to give it to the membership now, not another 3 years from now. The current system
puts too much on too few, is not a sound accountable system. All I can say
to you is Mike and I are well experienced in this end of the 8 legged octopus
and we certaily agree its the right thing to do to better manage and serve
the membership (flatten the organization). However, it was my decision only to
stop the train and turn the decision over to you now, not later.
If you don't agree, simply vote no.
The by-law vote has caused a delay in the board elections, such that the new
board members regionally elected as soon as the by law vote is complete would
serve slightly shorter terms to keep the overlap system in place. I just think
these candidates understand and are eager to jump in and get this system on its
feet. Heck it may usher in a new regionalized plan for newsletter mailouts
;)
6 regional board elected in 2005 for 3 year terms
3 national board members elected in 2006 for 3 year terms
3 national officers elected in 2007 (pres, vp, sect, treasury = voted by the
board)
repeats...
However, I will put my office up for election of course in 2006 and stay an extra
year to help this transition to the 2007 cycle as the board votes,
Something about the web was brought up, too much emphasis was being placed there.
There is a lot of work going on in event support, opening up the south central
to events...the newlstter support platform...we are gearing up to support
the redstars airshow program...but in the end, what other service can a national/international
aviation association provide, run by only volunteers, that
is available to you for membership services 24/7, 365 days a year including holidays?
To find an event, to register, to list your aircraft for sale, to read
the newsletter that came from your words, to sedn feedback, on and on and on?
So here it is:
3 changes directed at the web coder:
1) Make navigation easier, remove the left side nav bar and increase direct one-click
to destination navigation
2) Put more of the web services on the public side (like flight training and
others); only the most crucial or locator info on the log in side (formation,
elections, membership locator, fin. and accounting)
3.) Clear up the home page, clean, neat and clear
4.) Increase back end server utilities - such that we can do more things in an
automated way (this is for volunteers mostly)
5.) Increase members services:
- code an auto-loading aircraft 4 sale / trade site. I don't want to manually
load members pictures, have the code do it.
- Code a Fin and accounting page for Ira
- make the event list auto-clean up, after an event, the event record is erased,
make it easier to find and registration easy to locate
- code a newsletter room for seeing the e-coms listed as links
- create airshow center to support redstars annual mass formation scheduling
efforts
Thats it, if you made it this far you're one of the few! If you are not a member,
and basically agree with the direction, then head over to the websties online
store and join so you can vote for your local nominee in the new board (regional)
elections, if you are overdue, renew and if you are a current member
and patently dissagree with a direction, or have a solution, email me off list.
Drew
Drew Blahnick
RPA
Prior to your taking over the YPA, the membership was growing, we
had regular quarterly newsletters, and the association was seen as
helping the membership.
2. As you requested, we changed the name to RPA to attract jets and
other members, that have yet to materialize.
3. We went over 6 quarters without a newsletter (one of the key values
to the membership)
4. We have lost total membership
5. You co-mingled funds ($10,000-$20,000) with a for-profit
organization for which you still have failed to provide financial
accounting.
6. For 2 years, you failed to provide financial accounting on spending
and revenue for the association to the BoD or the membership (it was
requested many many times)
7. You held an election for a BoD position where the ballots were not
sent to the whole membership, just a select few.
8. You waited until 30 days before BoD elections were to be held this
year, then delayed the election until you could change the bylaws.
Rather than hold the vote on time, and then change the bylaws, you have
now delayed the vote for over 6 months. *IF* this bylaw change was so
important in your eyes, you should have changed it long before the
election.
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ADE <coolade@cox.net>
Monty Barretr has one for a jacobs radial designed by a guy in Ada OK.,
I called him to inquire about the MP 14--- He said he'd build one if I
sent him a mag base to use, anyone have an old mag laying around???
On Dec 12, 2005, at 8:10 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Brian,
> Designing and making available an "electronic ignition" that would
> virtually eliminate our antiquated ignition system would be THE
> ultimate for both the Housai and M14 engines. The M9F (fixed timing)
> mags on the M14P are getting extremely expensive and difficult to
> find.
>
> With your vast knowledge, could you design an electronic ignition that
> we might take to some small job shop manufacturer to have made for our
> engines?
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>>
>> Steve Dalton wrote:
>>
>>> My -52TW has the Russian M9-35 centrifugal advance mags with the
>>> Slick
>>> Start system installed to help in starting. The engine is started
>>> with
>>> the mags at 1+2. Works great!
>>
>> This is a little known feature of the Slick Start system. You can use
>> it
>> with any magneto to turn it into a "shower of sparks" system. The
>> problem is timing. Somehow you have to retard the mag timing to fire
>> at
>> or after TDC when starting. The retard breaker does this as does an
>> impulse coupling. Centrifugal advance mags do this too as their timing
>> is down to less than 5 degrees BTDC when the engine is at idle RPM or
>> lower.
>>
>> If you connect a Slick Start system to a regular mag with fixed timing
>> (around 25 degrees BTDC) you pretty much guarantee kick-back as it
>> *will* fire your cylinders at 25d BTDC.
>>
>> Frankly, we knew about variable ignition timing a long time ago. Cars
>> in
>> the '40s had centrifugal advance AND vacuum advance (you can advance
>> the
>> timing if you are running at a lower MAP, something to consider if
>> flying cross-country). So why are we still using fixed-timed mags?
>>
>> If I had an M-14P I certainly would have at least the
>> centrifugal-advance mags and probably put in a slick-start system and
>> punt the boost coil. The boost coil is Ford Model-T technology. Using
>> the high-voltage distributor to handle timing is just plain old UGLY!
>>
>> Of course, there is no reason not to run an electronic ignition system
>> either.
>>
>> I think I know how I am going to wire the starting system on my CJ. No
>> boost coil for me.
>>
>> --
>> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
>> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
>> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>>
>> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things .
>> . .
>> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
If he can do it, I'll supply the mag base. I have two lying on my self at
the hanger. Have him contact me off list if possible.
Viperdoc
> [Original Message]
> From: ADE <coolade@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/12/2005 2:30:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ADE <coolade@cox.net>
>
> Monty Barretr has one for a jacobs radial designed by a guy in Ada OK.,
> I called him to inquire about the MP 14--- He said he'd build one if I
> sent him a mag base to use, anyone have an old mag laying around???
> On Dec 12, 2005, at 8:10 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> > <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> > Brian,
> > Designing and making available an "electronic ignition" that would
> > virtually eliminate our antiquated ignition system would be THE
> > ultimate for both the Housai and M14 engines. The M9F (fixed timing)
> > mags on the M14P are getting extremely expensive and difficult to
> > find.
> >
> > With your vast knowledge, could you design an electronic ignition that
> > we might take to some small job shop manufacturer to have made for our
> > engines?
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
> >
> >
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> >>
> >> Steve Dalton wrote:
> >>
> >>> My -52TW has the Russian M9-35 centrifugal advance mags with the
> >>> Slick
> >>> Start system installed to help in starting. The engine is started
> >>> with
> >>> the mags at 1+2. Works great!
> >>
> >> This is a little known feature of the Slick Start system. You can use
> >> it
> >> with any magneto to turn it into a "shower of sparks" system. The
> >> problem is timing. Somehow you have to retard the mag timing to fire
> >> at
> >> or after TDC when starting. The retard breaker does this as does an
> >> impulse coupling. Centrifugal advance mags do this too as their timing
> >> is down to less than 5 degrees BTDC when the engine is at idle RPM or
> >> lower.
> >>
> >> If you connect a Slick Start system to a regular mag with fixed timing
> >> (around 25 degrees BTDC) you pretty much guarantee kick-back as it
> >> *will* fire your cylinders at 25d BTDC.
> >>
> >> Frankly, we knew about variable ignition timing a long time ago. Cars
> >> in
> >> the '40s had centrifugal advance AND vacuum advance (you can advance
> >> the
> >> timing if you are running at a lower MAP, something to consider if
> >> flying cross-country). So why are we still using fixed-timed mags?
> >>
> >> If I had an M-14P I certainly would have at least the
> >> centrifugal-advance mags and probably put in a slick-start system and
> >> punt the boost coil. The boost coil is Ford Model-T technology. Using
> >> the high-voltage distributor to handle timing is just plain old UGLY!
> >>
> >> Of course, there is no reason not to run an electronic ignition system
> >> either.
> >>
> >> I think I know how I am going to wire the starting system on my CJ. No
> >> boost coil for me.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> >> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> >> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
> >>
> >> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things .
> >> . .
> >> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
I have two new ones but really don't want to part with them, but if you get
really stuck I might consider it.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ADE
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
--> Yak-List message posted by: ADE <coolade@cox.net>
Monty Barretr has one for a jacobs radial designed by a guy in Ada OK., I
called him to inquire about the MP 14--- He said he'd build one if I sent
him a mag base to use, anyone have an old mag laying around???
On Dec 12, 2005, at 8:10 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Brian,
> Designing and making available an "electronic ignition" that would
> virtually eliminate our antiquated ignition system would be THE
> ultimate for both the Housai and M14 engines. The M9F (fixed timing)
> mags on the M14P are getting extremely expensive and difficult to
> find.
>
> With your vast knowledge, could you design an electronic ignition that
> we might take to some small job shop manufacturer to have made for our
> engines?
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>>
>> Steve Dalton wrote:
>>
>>> My -52TW has the Russian M9-35 centrifugal advance mags with the
>>> Slick Start system installed to help in starting. The engine is
>>> started with the mags at 1+2. Works great!
>>
>> This is a little known feature of the Slick Start system. You can use
>> it with any magneto to turn it into a "shower of sparks" system. The
>> problem is timing. Somehow you have to retard the mag timing to fire
>> at or after TDC when starting. The retard breaker does this as does
>> an impulse coupling. Centrifugal advance mags do this too as their
>> timing is down to less than 5 degrees BTDC when the engine is at idle
>> RPM or lower.
>>
>> If you connect a Slick Start system to a regular mag with fixed
>> timing (around 25 degrees BTDC) you pretty much guarantee kick-back
>> as it
>> *will* fire your cylinders at 25d BTDC.
>>
>> Frankly, we knew about variable ignition timing a long time ago. Cars
>> in the '40s had centrifugal advance AND vacuum advance (you can
>> advance the timing if you are running at a lower MAP, something to
>> consider if flying cross-country). So why are we still using
>> fixed-timed mags?
>>
>> If I had an M-14P I certainly would have at least the
>> centrifugal-advance mags and probably put in a slick-start system and
>> punt the boost coil. The boost coil is Ford Model-T technology. Using
>> the high-voltage distributor to handle timing is just plain old UGLY!
>>
>> Of course, there is no reason not to run an electronic ignition
>> system either.
>>
>> I think I know how I am going to wire the starting system on my CJ.
>> No boost coil for me.
>>
>> --
>> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
>> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
>> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>>
>> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things .
>> . .
>> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vote-vote and the RPA |
Drew,
Thanks for your attempt at addressing the issues, but you've only created
more questions for me. I know you had asked to reply off list, but this has
become an open debate, and since we dont have annual meetings to go over
this stuff as do other orgs, this open dialog is beneficial to the
membership.
I had no idea how RPA funds were being handled, and by your own admission,
the answer is... pretty poorly. I dont beleive, that "Not info for here but
its healthy, its growth is near break even" is a sufficient report on the
financial state of the organisation.
I'm not bitching here, I'm exerting my right as a member to question what is
going on, and I beleive that a public forum is in order. Allegations of
malfeasance have been alledged, which in my opinion are not baseless and
without meritt.
I beleive that full financial disclosure is in order, the membership
deserves to see a balance sheet. The first responsiblity of any organisation
that charges dues from its members and is intrusted with their money is
absolute financial integrity, everything else including news letters and
websites are superflous. "Accounting by crayons" as you put it left me a bit
astonished, I beleived we had a working accounting system in the YPA, didnt
we?
I personally dont care about ARS, I have nothing to do with it, it has
nothing to do with RPA, or at least it shouldnt have. I dont expect my
elected officals to be working towards bringing me an "expanded ARS event
year after year" its like saying that you're also working towards bringing
me an expanded NASCAR event. Your response has only led me to beleive now
that your idea of RPA is ARS. You stated earlier in your response that
people thought of YPA as "that CJ club back east telling us YAK guys what to
do". Seems like things have reveresed and now RPA is that West coast club
that has that airshow every year.
Had I known that you guys were hiring insanely expensive accounting firms to
tell you to use RPA funds for your ARS event, I would have voted against the
change to YPA back then. I was always under the assumption that ARS was
something you guys were doing on your own.
This is a very serious development which should not be swept under the rug.
And I agree with Doug that elections should be postponed until all this is
resolved. I beleive we have a bit of a crisis on our hands, and I had voted
without knoweldge of the true current state of affairs in our BoD, so I
would like to retract my vote.
Regards
Ernie
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| Subject: | Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
There is a great write up to the last EAA mag about electronic ignition and
the companies that are presently producing them.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
I have two new ones but really don't want to part with them, but if you get
really stuck I might consider it.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ADE
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
--> Yak-List message posted by: ADE <coolade@cox.net>
Monty Barretr has one for a jacobs radial designed by a guy in Ada OK., I
called him to inquire about the MP 14--- He said he'd build one if I sent
him a mag base to use, anyone have an old mag laying around???
On Dec 12, 2005, at 8:10 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Brian,
> Designing and making available an "electronic ignition" that would
> virtually eliminate our antiquated ignition system would be THE
> ultimate for both the Housai and M14 engines. The M9F (fixed timing)
> mags on the M14P are getting extremely expensive and difficult to
> find.
>
> With your vast knowledge, could you design an electronic ignition that
> we might take to some small job shop manufacturer to have made for our
> engines?
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>>
>> Steve Dalton wrote:
>>
>>> My -52TW has the Russian M9-35 centrifugal advance mags with the
>>> Slick Start system installed to help in starting. The engine is
>>> started with the mags at 1+2. Works great!
>>
>> This is a little known feature of the Slick Start system. You can use
>> it with any magneto to turn it into a "shower of sparks" system. The
>> problem is timing. Somehow you have to retard the mag timing to fire
>> at or after TDC when starting. The retard breaker does this as does
>> an impulse coupling. Centrifugal advance mags do this too as their
>> timing is down to less than 5 degrees BTDC when the engine is at idle
>> RPM or lower.
>>
>> If you connect a Slick Start system to a regular mag with fixed
>> timing (around 25 degrees BTDC) you pretty much guarantee kick-back
>> as it
>> *will* fire your cylinders at 25d BTDC.
>>
>> Frankly, we knew about variable ignition timing a long time ago. Cars
>> in the '40s had centrifugal advance AND vacuum advance (you can
>> advance the timing if you are running at a lower MAP, something to
>> consider if flying cross-country). So why are we still using
>> fixed-timed mags?
>>
>> If I had an M-14P I certainly would have at least the
>> centrifugal-advance mags and probably put in a slick-start system and
>> punt the boost coil. The boost coil is Ford Model-T technology. Using
>> the high-voltage distributor to handle timing is just plain old UGLY!
>>
>> Of course, there is no reason not to run an electronic ignition
>> system either.
>>
>> I think I know how I am going to wire the starting system on my CJ.
>> No boost coil for me.
>>
>> --
>> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
>> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
>> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>>
>> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things .
>> . .
>> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Vote-vote and the RPA |
--> Yak-List message posted by: mark williamson <yakk52@verizon.net>
you guys really do need to take this offline. i'm tired of getting this crap in
my mailbox as are others. i've never seen so much childish, venomous backstabbing.
i think the rpa is doing pretty good considering what their salaries
are. give it a rest or take it offline.
>Drew,
>
>Thanks for your attempt at addressing the issues, but you've only created more
questions for me. I know you hadasked to reply off list, but this has become
an open debate, and sincewe dont have annual meetings to go over this stuff as
do other orgs,this open
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Sherman Charlie <cs767capt@yahoo.com>
Check with Valadmir,I am sure he has lots of
"junk"mags laying around.CS
--- ADE <coolade@cox.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ADE
> <coolade@cox.net>
>
> Monty Barretr has one for a jacobs radial designed
> by a guy in Ada OK.,
> I called him to inquire about the MP 14--- He said
> he'd build one if I
> sent him a mag base to use, anyone have an old mag
> laying around???
> On Dec 12, 2005, at 8:10 AM, A. Dennis Savarese
> wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis
> Savarese"
> > <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> > Brian,
> > Designing and making available an "electronic
> ignition" that would
> > virtually eliminate our antiquated ignition system
> would be THE
> > ultimate for both the Housai and M14 engines. The
> M9F (fixed timing)
> > mags on the M14P are getting extremely expensive
> and difficult to
> > find.
> >
> > With your vast knowledge, could you design an
> electronic ignition that
> > we might take to some small job shop manufacturer
> to have made for our
> > engines?
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd"
> <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 12:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of
> Sparks
> >
> >
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd
> <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> >>
> >> Steve Dalton wrote:
> >>
> >>> My -52TW has the Russian M9-35 centrifugal
> advance mags with the
> >>> Slick
> >>> Start system installed to help in starting. The
> engine is started
> >>> with
> >>> the mags at 1+2. Works great!
> >>
> >> This is a little known feature of the Slick Start
> system. You can use
> >> it
> >> with any magneto to turn it into a "shower of
> sparks" system. The
> >> problem is timing. Somehow you have to retard the
> mag timing to fire
> >> at
> >> or after TDC when starting. The retard breaker
> does this as does an
> >> impulse coupling. Centrifugal advance mags do
> this too as their timing
> >> is down to less than 5 degrees BTDC when the
> engine is at idle RPM or
> >> lower.
> >>
> >> If you connect a Slick Start system to a regular
> mag with fixed timing
> >> (around 25 degrees BTDC) you pretty much
> guarantee kick-back as it
> >> *will* fire your cylinders at 25d BTDC.
> >>
> >> Frankly, we knew about variable ignition timing a
> long time ago. Cars
> >> in
> >> the '40s had centrifugal advance AND vacuum
> advance (you can advance
> >> the
> >> timing if you are running at a lower MAP,
> something to consider if
> >> flying cross-country). So why are we still using
> fixed-timed mags?
> >>
> >> If I had an M-14P I certainly would have at least
> the
> >> centrifugal-advance mags and probably put in a
> slick-start system and
> >> punt the boost coil. The boost coil is Ford
> Model-T technology. Using
> >> the high-voltage distributor to handle timing is
> just plain old UGLY!
> >>
> >> Of course, there is no reason not to run an
> electronic ignition system
> >> either.
> >>
> >> I think I know how I am going to wire the
> starting system on my CJ. No
> >> boost coil for me.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle
> Dr.
> >> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA
> 95630
> >> +1.916.367.2131 (voice)
> +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
> >>
> >> I fly because it releases my mind from the
> tyranny of petty things .
> >> . .
> >> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Vote-vote and the RPA |
Do not archive.
I wasnt back stabbing, or think that I was being childish. This is the only
forum that is universally used by the majority of the membership, and as I
said in my previous post this issue has turned into an open debate, this is
club business. If you dont care where your dues dollars are going then so be
it. Had Dabear not brought this to my attention on this list I wouldnt have
known that we had a problem. Since there is no other place to discuss club
business then this forum is the best place available.
Ernie
On 12/12/05, mark williamson <yakk52@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: mark williamson <yakk52@verizon.net>
>
> you guys really do need to take this offline. i'm tired of getting this
> crap in my mailbox as are others. i've never seen so much childish,
> venomous backstabbing. i think the rpa is doing pretty good considering
> what their salaries are. give it a rest or take it offline.
>
>
> >Drew,
> >
> >Thanks for your attempt at addressing the issues, but you've only created
> more questions for me. I know you hadasked to reply off list, but this has
> become an open debate, and sincewe dont have annual meetings to go over this
> stuff as do other orgs,this open
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RPA Political stuff |
--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Do Not Archive
Please,
Take it off the list.
Let me make no mistake. I DO NOT accuse Drew or anyone misappropriation
or illegal use of RPA funds. I have found Drew to be extremely honest
in his dealings with the board and what he has done. I Stated I just
wanted an accounting of some specific dealings. I believe that can be
done outside this forum to the whole membership. This forum isn't for
this discussion and I'm sorry I raised it here. Please send your
comments directly to a board member or Drew so they can be addressed.
Thank you.
A.R. DeVere
Ernest Martinez wrote:
> Drew,
>
> Thanks for your attempt at addressing the issues, but you've only
> created more questions for me. I know you had asked to reply off list,
> but this has become an open debate, and since we dont have annual
> meetings to go over this stuff as do other orgs, this open dialog is
> beneficial to the membership.
>
> I had no idea how RPA funds were being handled, and by your own
> admission, the answer is... pretty poorly. I dont beleive, that "Not
> info for here but its healthy, its growth is near break even" is a
> sufficient report on the financial state of the organisation.
>
>
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Geez, I been having so much fun following the lastest Vote-vote-vote that I kinda
hate to bring up a dull topic: Fuel.
I have done some testing lately on the performance effects of various fuels available
today...at least what we have in FLA. At this time we have no Ethanol spiked
gasoline but that may change. I would not use it anyway in my airplane.
The engine is an M-14P with Taylor racing plug leads and NGK motorcycle plugs.
No other engine mods except a polished carb plenum, polished intake and exhaust
ports, oil filter and Bracket air filter housed in a ram air box.. The carb
is jetted and adjusted for economy; yielding consumption in line with low end
book g/hp/hr values.
I have been running a 50/50 mix of 100LL and 87 Mogas with no ill effects on performance
or maintenance. But, I decided to evaluate what was available.
100LL yields book MP and 2900 rpm. However spark plugs get funky by 50 hrs.
Between 100LL and 93 Mogas I saw no performance difference: ambient + 125mm MP,
2900 rpm. Spark plugs stay clean but the primer "feels" a little stiffer.
When running straight 87 Mogas, available MP was only +105mm and 2880 rpm. 80%
cruise was down 4 kts and max speed down 7-9 kts.
I may test 89 mogas next. Has anyone else evaluated performance differences with
fuels?
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Alegations and buying airplanes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Russ" <Duncan1574@ExecPc.com>
RPAers,
If Al's allegations are true and there has not been a financial
accounting in several years, I do not think that a flippant " The RPA has
more sustained cash on hand and potential financial strength than at anytime
in the past." is sufficient and I as a member of the RPA ask for an
accounting be presented within the next two months, if Al's allegations
about the co-mingling funds are true, then two things should happen:
1. Drew should arrange for those funds to be returned to the coffers of the
RPA and
2: Drew should resign as president and go quietly away.
To Brian's comment about setting up a fund to but Drew an airplane: I
have NEVER owned an airplane and probably never will (I too lost my high
paying job four years ago), BUT I never stopped showing up, volunteering,
and promoting this organization as best I can from the ground (or the
occasional backseat) and that is why I am running for the BoD, so that all
of us represented. I was and never will be a commerical pilot, I just love
flying and the aircraft of the RPA.
Russ "Air Boss" Witte-Dycus
North Central Event Coordinator (and possible BoD member)
Red Star Pilot's Association
http://www.flyredstar.org
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| Subject: | Simple dual electronic ignition |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "david stroud" <dstroud@storm.ca>
Basic dual electronic ignition is a cinch to make in a simple system such as
an auto engine that has a distributor with a cap to receive the high voltage spark
from a coil. It is done regularly by homebuilders with Subaru or Corvair auto conversions.
Take a look here : http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/beezerguy2001/my_photos if you like,
then click on the first Corvair album, then click on a couple of the lower pictures
of the
bunch. There's a basic wiring diagram too. Some say it's the little bits inside
the mag that
might be the first to fail, not so likely the big driving parts and if you'd be
willing to go
that route then perhaps one complete mag could be eliminated ( how much weight
was
that ?) . Then, dual electronic ignition could be run simultaneously with modules
mounted
180 degrees apart in one mag case similar to my example. Likely, individual coils
mounted
on each plug would make sense or you could do it another way by splitting the high
voltage
output out of a single mag with MSD part number 8210 and run wires to both plugs
on each cyl.
You'd be saving a pile of weight on the final mag too because all the guts would
be taken out
and the case would basically used to house the new electronic bits and spin these
flyweight
things around.
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Brian,
> Designing and making available an "electronic ignition" that would virtually
> eliminate our antiquated ignition system would be THE ultimate for both the
> Housai and M14 engines. The M9F (fixed timing) mags on the M14P are getting
> extremely expensive and difficult to find.
>
> With your vast knowledge, could you design an electronic ignition that we
> might take to some small job shop manufacturer to have made for our engines?
> Dennis
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I tried 50% 100LL and 50% vics vaporub. Didnt get a perfromance increase but
the engined breathed better :)
You never got back to me on a date for the mini clinic. Your room awaits.
Ernie
On 12/12/05, Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
>
> Geez, I been having so much fun following the lastest Vote-vote-vote that
> I kinda hate to bring up a dull topic: Fuel.
>
> I have done some testing lately on the performance effects of various
> fuels available today...at least what we have in FLA. At this time we have
> no Ethanol spiked gasoline but that may change. I would not use it anyway in
> my airplane. The engine is an M-14P with Taylor racing plug leads and NGK
> motorcycle plugs. No other engine mods except a polished carb plenum,
> polished intake and exhaust ports, oil filter and Bracket air filter housed
> in a ram air box.. The carb is jetted and adjusted for economy; yielding
> consumption in line with low end book g/hp/hr values.
>
> I have been running a 50/50 mix of 100LL and 87 Mogas with no ill effects
> on performance or maintenance. But, I decided to evaluate what was
> available.
>
> 100LL yields book MP and 2900 rpm. However spark plugs get funky by 50
> hrs.
>
> Between 100LL and 93 Mogas I saw no performance difference: ambient +
> 125mm MP, 2900 rpm. Spark plugs stay clean but the primer "feels" a little
> stiffer.
>
> When running straight 87 Mogas, available MP was only +105mm and 2880 rpm.
> 80% cruise was down 4 kts and max speed down 7-9 kts.
>
> I may test 89 mogas next. Has anyone else evaluated performance
> differences with fuels?
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: scoop to fix exhaust smell |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Fraser, Gus wrote:
> Be careful, *I no nothing about the internal plumbing of a CJ* but think
> about the vents on the header tank. The last thing you want is to run
> out of gas in the header tank because you have changed the relative
> pressure dynamics around the vents and by some fluke you are applying
> positive pressure to the header tank vent, enough to blow back the fuel
> to the mains, great for fuel efficiency, crap for keeping the motor running.
There is a single vent the serves the two wing tanks and the header
tank. It comes off the belly which is a high-pressure area of the
airframe. Changing the air pressure in the fuselage is not likely to
have an effect on proper fuel flow.
But this does bring up something to consider. At first I thought this
was a good idea but then I realized that the problem comes from the fact
that the fuse is already a low-pressure area. The only way this will
work to decrease CO in the cockpit is to increase the inflow of fresh
air otherwise the reverse scoop will only cause the pressure to be lower
thus drawing in even more CO from the exhaust.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Fraser, Gus wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> Brian,
> A buddy of mine fitted electronic ignition to his RV. He did one side then
> when he was happy with that he did the other side.
There are a couple of good ones. Klaus Savier has a nice one.
> One very important thing
> to remember, what about total electrical failure. He solved this by
> installing an emergency power supply for the electronic ignition with a low
> voltage sense circuit on the main power. On the very much plus side he says,
> though I have not seen this myself, that he does not get mag drop when
> switching as the ignition system is doing such a bang up job.
Building an electrical system with no single-point-of-failure is not
hard to do. If you have an M-14 I think you have a vacuum pump pad. You
can add a B&C dynamo there to provide backup power for the ignition and
for the critical avionics.
OTOH, you can add the electronic ignition in place of one mag and then
keep the other as a backup.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> With your vast knowledge, could you design an electronic ignition that
> we might take to some small job shop manufacturer to have made for our
> engines?
I am going to assume this is a serious comment and go from there.
I could probably handle the electronics but the mechanical parts are
pretty substantial. I would probably go to someone like Klaus Savier who
has a nice system that is popular for the 4-cyl Lycs used in RVs. He
already has the optical pick-off that drops in place of the standard
Bendix or Slick mag. All you need to do at that point is come up with
the electronics. He has done the research to know what works. It would
take me a fair bit of time to get to where he was years ago.
BTW, he uses a coil-per-cylinder approach as I recall. That would be 9
coils for our engines.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Booster Coil vs. Shower of Sparks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Fraser, Gus wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> I would buy a set. Especially if it were in a job lot with fuel injection.
The Airflow Performance guys have done a single-point injection system.
I am not sure how it is a lot better than the pressure carb but they do
know their stuff. Hal has one on his ultimate CJ6A
> Ok Ok I am allowed to dream it's early. Wow that would mean that in aviation
> we have engines that belong if not in the 21st centaury at the end of the
> 20th :)))
The Thielert diesel engines on the Diamond Twin-Star cause me to have
illicit thoughts. I think that may be the airplane for me to do the
round-the-world flight I have always promised myself.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Vote-vote-vote |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> */And it's "RPA" not "YPA". :)))))/*
I knew that. I was just checking to see if you were paying attention.
(Sorry. I had just killed a bottle of Two Buck Chuck and I wasn't
thinking too cohesively.)
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Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> */No organization can exist with individuals and individuals can't get
> any where without organization. The very basic fact that you have an
> airplane to fly is a product of organization./*
There is organization and there is organization. The problem is, there
are a lot of organizations that exist only to perpetuate themselves.
Think FAA. When was the last time you met someone in the FAA who
actually participated in the flying and/or maintenance of airplanes?
They have layers and layers of bureaucracy that exists solely to
perpetuate the bureaucracy. It doesn't actually do anything besides
consume tax dollars and annoy the hell out of those of us actually
flying and maintaining airplanes.
> */Now Brain said he can get along very well without organization. Well
> the licenses, ratings and FAST cards that are in his pocket came from
> organizations. They are not handed out wily-nilly and without care or
> forethought. /*
Pappy, the ratings and cards have nothing to do with my skills. I no
longer have a FAST card because I failed to submit any action reports
for the last two years. Still, I can lead a formation as well as I could
before.
And as I said, the organizations had nothing to do with my ability or
skill set. I would still challenge myself to improve my skills
regardless of what the FAA requires.
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Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Who else is going to do the work? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Lighten up on Drew, guys. He's done more to make RPA what it is today than
most anyone else here. Frankly, I like what I see in the organization even
though I don't agree with everything (flight suits). I'm happy to pay my
dues to make RPA - ARS function.
Get your butt in gear and vote FOR the bylaws change. It's organizational
plan is not unlike some other organizations that I've seen and they have
been around for decades. It's not a bad plan. Stop bitchin', vote FOR the
bylaws, pay your dues and enjoy the benefits.
What I'm witnessing here is nothing more than growing pains of a successful
organization. I've gotten my money's worth so far so what is your problem!
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
K32
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Craig Payne wrote:
> Between 100LL and 93 Mogas I saw no performance difference: ambient +
> 125mm MP, 2900 rpm. Spark plugs stay clean but the primer "feels" a
> little stiffer.
>
> When running straight 87 Mogas, available MP was only +105mm and 2880
> rpm. 80% cruise was down 4 kts and max speed down 7-9 kts.
>
> I may test 89 mogas next. Has anyone else evaluated performance
> differences with fuels?
There shouldn't be any. The energy per gram of fuel should remain the
same. Only the antiknock index changes. If you are losing performance
you might want to take a gander at the top of your pistons to see if you
are getting any detonation. Light detonation would reduce performance
without doing anything gross to the engine.
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Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Brand New RPA T-shirt |
Gentlemen:
Attached is the artwork by famous R. T. Foster for the first of a series of
new aircraft specific T-shirts designs for the RPA On-Line Store. This is the
"NANCHANG DRAGON" to be available in "Stone Blue" on-line within a couple of
weeks.
Stay tuned. I'll keep you posted
Merry Christmas & Thanks, Blitz
Byron M. Fox
RPA On-line Store
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Home 415-380-0907 Eves
Cell 415-307-2405 Days
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Brian
It could be true that he has a loss of performance using mogas. If it is
mixed with alcohol you will have less energy per gallon than with pure gas.
Frank
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| Subject: | Brand New RPA T-shirt |
Hey, Byron
I want the same for my 52 but instead of a dragon how about a nice, pretty
Russian girl?
Frank
PS I had some concept nose art done for my 52...one of which was similar to
your pic only it had a Russian girl posed like Thor with the Russian hammer.
She was surrounded by a few CJ's that were broken and falling from the sky
as though they had been struck my the hammer of Thor :)
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ByronMFox@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: Brand New RPA T-shirt
Gentlemen:
Attached is the artwork by famous R. T. Foster for the first of a series of
new aircraft specific T-shirts designs for the RPA On-Line Store. This is
the "NANCHANG DRAGON" to be available in "Stone Blue" on-line within a
couple of weeks.
Stay tuned. I'll keep you posted
Merry Christmas & Thanks, Blitz
Byron M. Fox
RPA On-line Store
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Home 415-380-0907 Eves
Cell 415-307-2405 Days
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