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1. 06:12 AM - Re: Vote (Bill Walker)
2. 06:25 AM - Re: Vote (Bill Walker)
3. 07:20 AM - Stephen Fox has sent you an Apple iCard (Stephen Fox)
4. 07:44 AM - Re: overvoltage relay protection module for CJ6A (Ernest Martinez)
5. 09:24 AM - Re: Vote (Brian Lloyd)
6. 09:27 AM - Re: overvoltage relay protection module for CJ6A (Brian Lloyd)
7. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Vote (Craig Payne)
8. 02:11 PM - Re: Vote (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Re: Vote (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 02:28 PM - Re: Vote (Stephen Fox)
11. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: Re: Vote (Roger Kemp)
12. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: Re: Vote (Brian Lloyd)
13. 03:51 PM - Re: Vote (Brian Lloyd)
14. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: Re: Vote (Brian Lloyd)
15. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: Re: Vote (Roger Kemp)
16. 03:57 PM - Re: Vote (Brian Lloyd)
17. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Re: Vote (Mark Williamson)
18. 05:31 PM - Ohh yee little Brian spunt and the vote.............. (Frank Haertlein)
19. 07:08 PM - Re: Re: Re: Vote (Brian Lloyd)
20. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: Re: Vote (Roger Kemp)
21. 09:53 PM - Re: Stephen Fox has sent you an Apple iCard (N13472@aol.com)
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do not archive
There are probably more members in the SE that do not use their email regularly,
read the list, or access the RPA site enough to be aware of this vote. (You
know, country boys, red necks, and hillbillys) I'll get on the phone with the
numbers I have and would suggest that might be a way of getting this done.
"Wild Bill"
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Vote
No need archive:
You Troops in the SE region of RPA.
Vote. Particularly if you are in favor of the new By-laws. There are 33 members
down here who have not voted so far. Since by-laws require a 2/3 majority
is to pass, not voting or failing to vote, is the same as a no vote. Even if
your vote is no, still vote. We need to know if you are getting the message.
Now I personally hope you'll vote for the by-laws. I truly believe that regional
representation of the BoD is the best direction for RPA to go. This is the
major change in the By-laws that I personally feel strongly about. Are the
By-laws perfect? None ever are. But I believe this is the best step forward.
Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah , and Happy New Year.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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do not archive:
and by the way, is the electronic vote pretty fool proof? Is there a way to check
and see if your vote went through without voting twice. How about a way to
keep these cold nubs I'm using for fingers from hitting the wrong buttons?
Merry Christmas
"Wild Bill"
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Vote
No need archive:
You Troops in the SE region of RPA.
Vote. Particularly if you are in favor of the new By-laws. There are 33 members
down here who have not voted so far. Since by-laws require a 2/3 majority
is to pass, not voting or failing to vote, is the same as a no vote. Even if
your vote is no, still vote. We need to know if you are getting the message.
Now I personally hope you'll vote for the by-laws. I truly believe that regional
representation of the BoD is the best direction for RPA to go. This is the
major change in the By-laws that I personally feel strongly about. Are the
By-laws perfect? None ever are. But I believe this is the best step forward.
Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah , and Happy New Year.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: overvoltage relay protection module for CJ6A |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Brian, does it replace the stock reg, or is added to the existing system.
(Sorry, I wasnt following the thread that closely)
Ernie
On 12/22/05, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Bob has confirmed that the cost for the over voltage protection module
> will be under $100. He expects it to be around $75.
>
> Let me know if you want one. (Every CJ6A with the stock generator needs
> one.)
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
"Wild Bill" Walker wrote:
> and by the way, is the electronic vote pretty fool proof? Is there a way
> to check and see if your vote went through without voting twice. How
> about a way to keep these cold nubs I'm using for fingers from hitting
> the wrong buttons?
I am finding this whole vote thing interesting. Has anybody asked the
question, "how will this voting affect my flying?" If the answer is,
"not at all," then how the vote turns out is not particularly important.
The accuracy of the vote would then be equally unimportant.
Regional "representation" (or any "representation" for that matter)
doesn't strike me as being too all-fired critical. Regardless of
"representation" we need individuals to step up to the plate and deal
with things. Formal organizational structure does not equal people
getting things done. Someone has to step up and organize regional fly-ins.
But the people who are actually motivated to do that will do that
regardless of how RPA is organized. And we do need someone to handle the
paperwork for FAST but we have that too. And we have the shell of RPA to
provide the appearance of legitimacy that makes other FAST signatory
organizations and the FAA happy. (In a bureaucracy it doesn't matter
what you actually do, you only need to have the *appearance* of doing it
right.)
So what you need is a way to communicate with your fellow fliers and for
a couple of you to actually plan something. If you live in the SE,
someone pick a place and plan a fly-in. The rest of you show up. It is
that simple and your vote on the by-laws will have absolutely no effect
on your flying experience.
--
Brian "the anarchist" Lloyd
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
(Ignore the petty things. Go flying instead.)
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| Subject: | Re: overvoltage relay protection module for CJ6A |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Ernest Martinez wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Brian, does it replace the stock reg, or is added to the existing system.
This will be a module that is added to the existing electrical system
and VR. It does not change the operation of any of the existing
components and is only minimally invasive to the existing wiring. The
only thing we do is insert a pair of relay contacts between the existing
generator switch and the generator. The rest is a small amount of new
wiring.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Brian wrote:
>
>If you live in the SE, someone pick a place and plan a fly-in. The rest of you
show up.
>It is that simple and your vote on the by-laws will have absolutely no effect
>on your flying experience.
>
>
Sooo, a block of hotel reservations just happens? the FBO is prepared to host us
with ramp space, fuel truck, oil for radial engines, and extra help when we
appear? Same FBO just happens to have extra crew vans available as loaners? Resturants
happen to have banquet rooms just waiting for someone like us to show
on on slow Saturday nights?
That "someone" who plans also makes sure IP's and Check pilots just appear...and
happens to have a FAST school presentation and workbooks ready to go? In the
correct quantity?
Magic. May Santa grace your stocking with something "special" this season :>)
Merry Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/Boxing Day/Seasons Greetings to you.
Craig Payne
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In a message dated 12/23/2005 12:26:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
brian-yak@lloyd.com writes:
>
>
> I am finding this whole vote thing interesting. Has anybody asked the
> question, "how will this voting affect my flying?" If the answer is,
> "not at all," then how the vote turns out is not particularly important.
> The accuracy of the vote would then be equally unimportant.
>
Hmmm In about 3 weeks time, the guys (25 of them) in the SE are going to AYS
for a clinic. They'll be getting a free dinner, vans, and lunches. There
will be an acro box. Can you do that on the spare of the moment when ever you
felt like it without help? I don't think so.
Does that effect your flying? No. Only you can effect your flying.
Pappy
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In a message dated 12/23/2005 5:00:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cpayne@joimail.com writes:
no need to archive
>
> Merry Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/Boxing Day/Seasons Greetings to you.
>
Kwanzaa? In all the years I flew to Africa - no one, - no where -EVER
-talked about Kwanzaa. NO SUCH HOLIDAY. It was "started" by a black activists
former jail bird con-man who's now a professor of "Black Studies" in (guess where)
California. The black community is being duped again.
Sorry Craig this just bugs me no-end.
Pappy
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On Dec 23, 2005, at 5:11 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/23/2005 12:26:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> brian-yak@lloyd.com writes:
>
> Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am finding this whole vote thing interesting. Has anybody asked the
>> question, "how will this voting affect my flying?" If the answer is,
>> "not at all," then how the vote turns out is not particularly
>> important.
>> The accuracy of the vote would then be equally unimportant.
>
>
> Hmmm In about 3 weeks time, the guys (25 of them) in the SE are
> going to AYS for a clinic. They'll be getting a free dinner, vans,
> and lunches. There will be an acro box. Can you do that on the
> spare of the moment when ever you felt like it without help? I
> don't think so.
>
> Does that effect your flying? No. Only you can effect your flying.
>
> Pappy
Not to mention the underwriting of the AYS event by Canon Insurance
which only happened because of the RPA and elected board members!
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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Pappy,
I'm with you! In the baston of Civil Rights Activism, Alabama, I had never heard
of it until a "Black Activitist" decided to celebrate a pagen holiday of questionable
origin during the time of the birth of our lord! Kwanzaa!
Hum, "though shalt have no other gods before me" (Exodus 20:3).
Guess it will all get sorted out when we take the eternal dirt nap.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Re: Vote
In a message dated 12/23/2005 5:00:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, cpayne@joimail.com
writes:
no need to archive
Merry Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/Boxing Day/Seasons Greetings to you.
Kwanzaa? In all the years I flew to Africa - no one, - no where -EVER -talked
about Kwanzaa. NO SUCH HOLIDAY. It was "started" by a black activists former
jail bird con-man who's now a professor of "Black Studies" in (guess where) California.
The black community is being duped again.
Sorry Craig this just bugs me no-end.
Pappy
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Craig Payne wrote:
> Sooo, a block of hotel reservations just happens? the FBO is prepared to
> host us with ramp space, fuel truck, oil for radial engines, and extra
> help when we appear? Same FBO just happens to have extra crew vans
> available as loaners? Resturants happen to have banquet rooms just
> waiting for someone like us to show on on slow Saturday nights?
>
> That "someone" who plans also makes sure IP's and Check pilots just
> appear...and happens to have a FAST school presentation and workbooks
> ready to go? In the correct quantity?
>
> Magic. May Santa grace your stocking with something "special" this
> season :>)
It is always funny to see what happens when one goes about goring sacred
cows. I know that someone has to do all those things. The key point is
that someONE needs to do that. The mythical magical *organization*
doesn't do it; *real* *people* do it. And those real people will step up
to accomplish this task regardless of any *official* organization.
This is like people sitting around and saying, "why didn't the
GOVERNMENT do something?" My response is, "why don't *YOU* get off your
ass and do something?" So when people stand around saying, "why isn't
RPA putting on a fly-in down here," my response is, of course, "why
aren't you getting off your ass and putting on a fly-in down there?"
Want a fly-in? Put one on. Get with the other guys in your area you know
will work on a project to the end and just do it.
It is like this corporate guy I am working with on a start-up out here.
He has been so into doing org-charts, work-flows, and ISO certification
that he has forgotten that someone actually has to turn a screwdriver
and string wires. Turning a screwdriver and stringing wires (or
coordinating with the FBO or making copies of the FAST manual) makes
things actually work.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 12/23/2005 12:26:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> brian-yak@lloyd.com writes:
>
> Lloyd wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I am finding this whole vote thing interesting. Has anybody asked the
>> question, "how will this voting affect my flying?" If the answer is,
>> "not at all," then how the vote turns out is not particularly important.
>> The accuracy of the vote would then be equally unimportant.
>
>
>
> Hmmm In about 3 weeks time, the guys (25 of them) in the SE are going to
> AYS for a clinic. They'll be getting a free dinner, vans, and lunches.
> There will be an acro box. Can you do that on the spare of the moment
> when ever you felt like it without help? I don't think so.
And having a regional coordinator will make that happen? I don't think so.
> Does that effect your flying? No. Only you can effect your flying.
Ah, grasshopper, you begin to show wisdom.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> Kwanzaa? In all the years I flew to Africa - no one, - no where -EVER
> -talked about Kwanzaa. NO SUCH HOLIDAY. It was "started" by a black
> activists former jail bird con-man who's now a professor of "Black
> Studies" in (guess where) California. The black community is being
> duped again.
But it is theirs to be duped. Seems the Black Community is their own
worst enemy. Living in the VI where I was part of the 20% white minority
was an even greater education.
But the key factor is that they are happy with their lot. More power to 'em.
> Sorry Craig this just bugs me no-end.
Oh, just smile, shrug, and go flying. You will feel *much* better.
My father gets that way sometimes. When he does, I pour him a good beer
and we recite our mantra together:
It's not my problem.
It's not my problem.
It's not my problem.
After about 50 recitations we are laughing. No worries mate!
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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And Poof! Red Air Fall Fling just happened. Thanks to Scottie, Jeff, Dennis, Pappy,
Craig, Shane, Doc, Pumper, Kilo, Talon,and others I can not remember that
made contributions in their own ways. RPA being a major contributor with advise
on "how to".
To make a fly-in happen takes a lot of work from a lot of people. RPA is the frame
work for us to work within. Vote Yah or Nay..just make your voice heard.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Re: Vote
Brian wrote:
>
>If you live in the SE, someone pick a place and plan a fly-in. The rest of you
show up.
>It is that simple and your vote on the by-laws will have absolutely no effect
>on your flying experience.
>
>
Sooo, a block of hotel reservations just happens? the FBO is prepared to host us
with ramp space, fuel truck, oil for radial engines, and extra help when we
appear? Same FBO just happens to have extra crew vans available as loaners? Resturants
happen to have banquet rooms just waiting for someone like us to show
on on slow Saturday nights?
That "someone" who plans also makes sure IP's and Check pilots just appear...and
happens to have a FAST school presentation and workbooks ready to go? In the
correct quantity?
Magic. May Santa grace your stocking with something "special" this season :>)
Merry Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/Boxing Day/Seasons Greetings to you.
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Stephen Fox wrote:
> Not to mention the underwriting of the AYS event by Canon Insurance
> which only happened because of the RPA and elected board members!
And what does that buy you? I know this is supposedly a big deal but I
have trouble understanding what it adds to the process.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Williamson" <yakk52@verizon.net>
brian, maybe you just need to go fly and release yourself from the tyranny
of this petty thing :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Re: Vote
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Craig Payne wrote:
>
>> Sooo, a block of hotel reservations just happens? the FBO is prepared to
>> host us with ramp space, fuel truck, oil for radial engines, and extra
>> help when we appear? Same FBO just happens to have extra crew vans
>> available as loaners? Resturants happen to have banquet rooms just
>> waiting for someone like us to show on on slow Saturday nights?
>> That "someone" who plans also makes sure IP's and Check pilots just
>> appear...and happens to have a FAST school presentation and workbooks
>> ready to go? In the correct quantity?
>> Magic. May Santa grace your stocking with something "special" this
>> season :>)
>
> It is always funny to see what happens when one goes about goring sacred
> cows. I know that someone has to do all those things. The key point is
> that someONE needs to do that. The mythical magical *organization* doesn't
> do it; *real* *people* do it. And those real people will step up to
> accomplish this task regardless of any *official* organization.
>
> This is like people sitting around and saying, "why didn't the GOVERNMENT
> do something?" My response is, "why don't *YOU* get off your ass and do
> something?" So when people stand around saying, "why isn't RPA putting on
> a fly-in down here," my response is, of course, "why aren't you getting
> off your ass and putting on a fly-in down there?"
>
> Want a fly-in? Put one on. Get with the other guys in your area you know
> will work on a project to the end and just do it.
>
> It is like this corporate guy I am working with on a start-up out here. He
> has been so into doing org-charts, work-flows, and ISO certification that
> he has forgotten that someone actually has to turn a screwdriver and
> string wires. Turning a screwdriver and stringing wires (or coordinating
> with the FBO or making copies of the FAST manual) makes things actually
> work.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ohh yee little Brian spunt and the vote.............. |
It seems to me that for an organization like Red Stars we really should have
regional representation. For example, if you fail to vote for the current
bylaws then RPA will not have regional representation. I think it would then
fall on the National coordinators (guys like Drew) to organize EVERYTHING. I
doubt they are going to do that for all regions of the country on a
continuing basis. Bottom line is few will devote a majority of their time
and effort for free so you have little choice but to divide those
responsibilities regionally among willing volunteers.
All RPA staff are volunteers. So, yes, ohh yee little Brian spunt, the vote
does affect RPA's organizational abilities and thus your flying activities
as part of an organized group.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Mark Williamson wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Williamson" <yakk52@verizon.net>
>
> brian, maybe you just need to go fly and release yourself from the
> tyranny of this petty thing :)
I did. Great day. I introduced my girlfriend's grandkids to general
aviation. Her granddaughter (age 15) was at first afraid to fly but then
went with us anyway. I finally got her into the right seat and showed
her how to make the airplane turn. I think I made a convert.
Yeah, it was a good day.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
50 mantras or 50 beers?!
Heck after 50 beers, the mantra ought to just slide right off the tongue.
Now whether it is intelligable is another issue all togather.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/23/2005 5:59:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Re: Vote
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Kwanzaa? In all the years I flew to Africa - no one, - no where -EVER
> > -talked about Kwanzaa. NO SUCH HOLIDAY. It was "started" by a black
> > activists former jail bird con-man who's now a professor of "Black
> > Studies" in (guess where) California. The black community is being
> > duped again.
>
> But it is theirs to be duped. Seems the Black Community is their own
> worst enemy. Living in the VI where I was part of the 20% white minority
> was an even greater education.
>
> But the key factor is that they are happy with their lot. More power to
'em.
>
> > Sorry Craig this just bugs me no-end.
>
> Oh, just smile, shrug, and go flying. You will feel *much* better.
>
> My father gets that way sometimes. When he does, I pour him a good beer
> and we recite our mantra together:
>
> It's not my problem.
> It's not my problem.
> It's not my problem.
>
> After about 50 recitations we are laughing. No worries mate!
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
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