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1. 03:59 AM - Waycross Races Again (Craig Payne)
2. 08:49 AM - So this is "Addiction" (Valkyre1)
3. 09:42 AM - Re: So this is "Addiction" (Buzzard Aviation)
4. 10:22 AM - politically correct (Jerry Painter)
5. 10:58 AM - Frappr Map and Flightaware (PSalter@aol.com)
6. 11:13 AM - Re: So this is "Addiction" (Walter Lannon)
7. 11:32 AM - Re: So this is "Addiction" (Roger Kemp)
8. 11:54 AM - Re: So this is "Addiction" (Roger Kemp)
9. 12:16 PM - Re: Ohh yee little Brian spunt and the vote.. (Drew Blahnick)
10. 04:45 PM - Re: So this is "Addiction" (Craig Payne)
11. 05:24 PM - Air bottles (JOE HOWSE)
12. 07:35 PM - Re: So this is "Addiction" Attn. Dennis Savorese (Cliff Umscheid)
13. 08:07 PM - Re: Air bottles (Jon Boede)
14. 08:20 PM - Nitrogen vs. Air (Jon Boede)
15. 08:32 PM - survival of the vested (Jon Boede)
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| Subject: | Waycross Races Again |
I saw the good news from Shane, 34 airplanes signed up for Waycross. Anybody up
for some fun? Last year a few volunteers helped me test some ideas on how to
put on a Racing Exhibition act and we learned a few things from that brief practice,
This year I'd like to take it a few more steps.
So far, our RPA leaders have shied away from the idea of endorsing a Race Act for
hire so I propose to put together an independent team of FAST rated pilots
that are interested in doing a demo or two somewhere to develop an act for the
airshow circuit.
Speed is not an issue, sharp, disciplined flying is. This is a scripted routine
where Yaks fly just as fast as CJ's and the end product is an exciting display
of low level non-aerobatic "exhibition" flying on a tight closed course.
Let me know off-list.
Merry Christmas!
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | So this is "Addiction" |
Help, is this normal? I just realized that I've spent the last month glued
to the phone, my check book, the Yak List, and a Chujaio Manual. My every
waking (and most of my sleeping) moments have been obsessively driven by the acquisition
of my CJ6. I wake up perpetually grinning.
My friends think I've died because they haven't heard a peep out of me for
so long. My previously noncommunicative 19 year old son keeps following me
around with his tongue hanging out asking "When do we get to go fly it mom?"
"Real" people I know have resorted to waving wildly, flashing their lights
and honking their horns when driving past me in a vain attempt to say "hello".
Evidently I'm oblivious to anything but thoughts of my new airplane.
I've lost 10 pounds in the last two weeks because eating no longer interests
me. Is this normal?
After careful research and some good advice from (of course) Yak List members,
I purchased two David Clark Series K helmets, two flitecom headsets, and
two nearly new Nomex flight suits and gloves.
Dennis Savarese has ordered two chutes for me, aerobatic harness and para
pak material. (Red, so we'll be easier to spot... and because they look kinda
nice with my red cowling and star on the tail of #72).
If there's ANYTHING left in my CJ fund after the completion of purchase,
inspections, hanger, tax etc. I'll throw that back into the Nanchang too. (Help,
my addiction is getting EXPENSIVE!)
I am attempting to prioritize any additional goodies that I might have added
to the aircraft while I'm at it. Any thoughts on these. ( Your opportunity
to spend someone's else's $$...that's OK, at the rate I'm going I'll probably
be living in the T Hanger with the CJ anyway, or it might be a moot point when
I check my balance.)
(1.) An additional small pneumatic air bottle for those times when you pre
flight and find through operator error, or mechanical fault, no pressure in
the system. I would imagine that you could also use it in an in flight no pneumatics
pressure emergency assuming the problem wouldn't bleed it all away.
(2.) A conventional US artificial horizon for the front cockpit.
(3.) An alternator ( I've heard that the only real problems of consequence
that CJ owners seem to experience are with the generator.) Yes Brian, I am
paying attention to the new overvoltage relay system that your friend is developing.
It sounds good and affordable. I think I'll let other folks test it out
for awhile first.
(4.) Aux fuel tanks. (I know, probably LOTs of $$). I'll show no shame
here and ask what is probably a no-brainer question to most of you here.) In reading
the CJ manual, something was lost in the translation for me where the fuel
capacity listed is concerned. It says the fuel tanks have a capacity of 77liters.
Is that each...or combined? A liter is .26 gallons. If that's combined,
the standard CJ holds 20.02 gallons total. If it burns 14 -16 gallons per hour,
that results in what is, for me, a rather limited aloft time. How much does
it hold TOTAL and what is a reasonable "aloft" time before heading for the fuel
truck?
(5.) I will be flying from Aurora, Oregon to Salt Lake City Intnl Airport
where #72 will be hangered soon. Does anyone have any ideas as to a good route
of flight in Jan. Feb.?
The last 28 years have been on airways at 42,000 feet with 100,000 pounds
of fuel plus. Something tells me this will be just a tad different. I'll
be coming back with Skip Slyfield though, so I won't be a danger to myself or
any of you who happen to be up there at the time. No need to clear the area or
execute emergency descents when you see me coming . And I did come from a general
aviation background. I'm sure it will all come back to me.
Well it's Christmas morning, I haven't opened my presents, and I'm on the
Yak List. Am I addicted and is there any hope for me?
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good flight!
- Val
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| Subject: | Re: So this is "Addiction" |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Buzzard Aviation <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
At 16:48 25/12/2005, Valkyre1 wrote:
> Help, is this normal? I just realized that I've spent the
> last month glued to the phone, my check book, the Yak List, and a
> Chujaio Manual. My every waking (and most of my sleeping) moments
> have been obsessively driven by the acquisition of my CJ6. I wake
> up perpetually grinning.
> My friends think I've died because they haven't heard a peep
> out of me for so long. My previously noncommunicative 19 year old
> son keeps following me around with his tongue hanging out asking
> "When do we get to go fly it mom?"
> "Real" people I know have resorted to waving wildly,
> flashing their lights and honking their horns when driving past me
> in a vain attempt to say "hello". Evidently I'm oblivious to
> anything but thoughts of my new airplane.
> Well it's Christmas morning, I haven't opened my presents,
> and I'm on the Yak List. Am I addicted and is there any hope for me?
Hiya,
Sounds like normal "new plane" behavior to me:-) Trouble is, it
usually wears off.
Then I got a Yak 18 and 20 months on I'm still in trouble:-) Who'd
have thought the Russians would have made something that is just so much FUN!
Happy Christmas to all from the UK.
Happy Landings
____|____
\O/
o'o Martin Robinson
Auster AOP 9 G-BKVK (WZ662)
Yak 18T HA-YAV
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| Subject: | politically correct |
University of Copenhagen: Physics Question
The following concerns a question in a physics degree exam at the University
of Copenhagen:
"Describe how to determine the height of a skyscraper with a barometer."
One student replied: "You tie a long piece of string to the neck of the
barometer, then lower the barometer from the roof of the skyscraper to the
ground. The length of the string plus the length of the barometer will equal
the height of the building."
This highly original answer so incensed the examiner that the student was
failed immediately. He appealed on the grounds that his answer was
indisputably correct, and the university appointed an independent arbiter to
decide the case. The arbiter judged that the answer was indeed correct, but
did not display any noticeable knowledge of physics.
To resolve the problem, it was decided to call the student in and allow him
six minutes in which to provide a verbal answer which showed at least a
minimal familiarity with the basic principles of physics. For five minutes
the student sat in silence, forehead creased in thought. The arbiter
reminded him that time was running out, to which the student replied that he
had several extremely relevant answers, but couldn't make up his mind which
to use.
On being advised to hurry up the student replied as follows:
"Firstly, you could take the barometer up to the roof of the skyscraper,
drop it over the edge, and measure the time it takes to reach the ground.
The height of the building can then be worked out from the formula H 05g x
t squared. But bad luck on the barometer."
"Or if the sun is shining you could measure the height of the barometer,
then set it on end and measure the length of its shadow. Then you measure
the length of the skyscraper's shadow, and thereafter it is a simple matter
of proportional arithmetic to work out the height of the skyscraper."
"But if you wanted to be highly scientific about it, you could tie a short
piece of string to the barometer and swing it like a pendulum, first at
ground level and then on the roof of the skyscraper. The height is worked
out by the difference in the gravitational restoring force T 2 pi square
root (l / g)."
"Or if the skyscraper has an outside emergency staircase, it would be easier
to walk up it and mark off the height of the skyscraper in barometer
lengths, then add them up."
"If you merely wanted to be boring and orthodox about it, of course, you
could use the barometer to measure the air pressure on the roof of the
skyscraper and on the ground, and convert the difference in millibars into
feet to give the height of the building."
But since we are constantly being exhorted to exercise independence of mind
and apply scientific methods, undoubtedly the best way would be to knock on
the janitor's door and say to him 'If you would like a nice new barometer, I
will give you this one if you tell me the height of this skyscraper'."
The student was Nils Bohr, the only Dane to win the Nobel prize for Physics.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
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| Subject: | Frappr Map and Flightaware |
Merry Christmas!
Today, I visited a friends blog site and found he had set up a map of any
aircraft owners of his type aircraft, that were interested in adding their
picture, location and name. I think it is a great idea and tool that would be
beneficial to the group. Currently, my CJ is still in pieces sitting at the
Camarillo CA airport and I am in Texas. I could go to the map and see who is near
if I need a hand.Or on my cross-country trip to Texas (God willing) I could
find owners based along my route. This would be a great way to find out who
is local to your area. If you are planning a move to a new area, it would be
simple to see if other like aircraft are near your future home.
I takes about 5 minutes to add your site.
_http://www.frappr.com/nanchangandyakaircraft_ (http://www.frappr.com/nanchangandyakaircraft)
Also, I recently found a site online that offers a "FREE" flight tracker. It
tracks all domestic IFR and VFR aircraft (if given a squawk). The name of
the program is Flightaware. I have had a blast tracking friends and airline
flights. It will also show 90 day tracking history.
_http://flightaware.com/live/_ (http://flightaware.com/live/)
Happy Holidays
Phil Salter
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| Subject: | Re: So this is "Addiction" |
Merry Christmas Val;
I kind of remember all that as being pretty normal. Being not at all adverse to
spending someone else's money here are a few comments on your wish list.
1. Auxiliary air bottle. Really necessary for the day you arrive in the middle
of nowhere and forget to close the air valve. The next morning you are in big
trouble. Not too difficult to get a battery charged or get a jump start for a
"normal" aircraft. But find a supply of high pressure air or nitrogen? - Good
Luck.
There are are few ways around this: a. Install a Cornelius compresser. Hard to
find, require lots of battery power. Not my choice. b. Install an additional air
bottle in series with the existing tank but with a shut-off valve so this can
be isolated when fully charged. This will allow a system re-charge and probably
get you going UNLESS you forgot to close the isolation valve as well! c.
Install a Certified (dirty word to some) high pressure bottle, SCUBA or?, about
2000 psi and plumbed into the CHARGING circuit only (or not plumbed in at all
but with a hose to reach the external charge port). This will provide about
8 full system charges and gives you the possibility of some emergency air system
maintenance if needed. Disadvantage? You have to take it for recharge when
needed and every 5 years have it inspected and re-certified the same as an onboard
O2 bottle.
2. Try the upside down AH for a while , you may get to like it.
3. The alternator is good but expensive. The original CJ generator system is OK,
so far I have had a problem with only one aircraft (out of 5, in about 9 years)
and was able to correct it with point cleaning and adjustment. Think about
the alternator if your CJ has the modified solid state system installed.
4. Aux. fuel tanks, yep BIG$$$$. Standard fuel is 77 lts per side, 154 lts plus
about 8 lts in the header 4 of which are useable SO useable fuel is 158 lts.
At 56 lts/hr that is about 2.8 hrs to DRY tanks.
Until you know your actual fuel consumption I would limit your flights to a max.
of 2 Hrs. I guess I could have converted to that antiquated gallon system, but
thought I should help encourage you Americans to get with the program.
You are on the Yak list. Are you addicted? Sure looks like it to me. Is there any
hope? Nada.
All the best
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Valkyre1
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 8:48 AM
Subject: Yak-List: So this is "Addiction"
Help, is this normal? I just realized that I've spent the last month
glued to the phone, my check book, the Yak List, and a Chujaio Manual. My every
waking (and most of my sleeping) moments have been obsessively driven by the
acquisition of my CJ6. I wake up perpetually grinning.
My friends think I've died because they haven't heard a peep out of me
for so long. My previously noncommunicative 19 year old son keeps following me
around with his tongue hanging out asking "When do we get to go fly it mom?"
"Real" people I know have resorted to waving wildly, flashing their lights
and honking their horns when driving past me in a vain attempt to say "hello".
Evidently I'm oblivious to anything but thoughts of my new airplane.
I've lost 10 pounds in the last two weeks because eating no longer interests
me. Is this normal?
After careful research and some good advice from (of course) Yak List
members, I purchased two David Clark Series K helmets, two flitecom headsets,
and two nearly new Nomex flight suits and gloves.
Dennis Savarese has ordered two chutes for me, aerobatic harness and para
pak material. (Red, so we'll be easier to spot... and because they look kinda
nice with my red cowling and star on the tail of #72).
If there's ANYTHING left in my CJ fund after the completion of purchase,
inspections, hanger, tax etc. I'll throw that back into the Nanchang too. (Help,
my addiction is getting EXPENSIVE!)
I am attempting to prioritize any additional goodies that I might have
added to the aircraft while I'm at it. Any thoughts on these. ( Your opportunity
to spend someone's else's $$...that's OK, at the rate I'm going I'll probably
be living in the T Hanger with the CJ anyway, or it might be a moot point
when I check my balance.)
(1.) An additional small pneumatic air bottle for those times when you
pre flight and find through operator error, or mechanical fault, no pressure
in the system. I would imagine that you could also use it in an in flight no pneumatics
pressure emergency assuming the problem wouldn't bleed it all away.
(2.) A conventional US artificial horizon for the front cockpit.
(3.) An alternator ( I've heard that the only real problems of consequence
that CJ owners seem to experience are with the generator.) Yes Brian, I am
paying attention to the new overvoltage relay system that your friend is developing.
It sounds good and affordable. I think I'll let other folks test it out
for awhile first.
(4.) Aux fuel tanks. (I know, probably LOTs of $$). I'll show no shame
here and ask what is probably a no-brainer question to most of you here.) In
reading the CJ manual, something was lost in the translation for me where the
fuel capacity listed is concerned. It says the fuel tanks have a capacity of
77liters.
Is that each...or combined? A liter is .26 gallons. If that's combined,
the standard CJ holds 20.02 gallons total. If it burns 14 -16 gallons per hour,
that results in what is, for me, a rather limited aloft time. How much does
it hold TOTAL and what is a reasonable "aloft" time before heading for the
fuel truck?
(5.) I will be flying from Aurora, Oregon to Salt Lake City Intnl Airport
where #72 will be hangered soon. Does anyone have any ideas as to a good route
of flight in Jan. Feb.?
The last 28 years have been on airways at 42,000 feet with 100,000 pounds
of fuel plus. Something tells me this will be just a tad different. I'll
be coming back with Skip Slyfield though, so I won't be a danger to myself or
any of you who happen to be up there at the time. No need to clear the area
or execute emergency descents when you see me coming . And I did come from a general
aviation background. I'm sure it will all come back to me.
Well it's Christmas morning, I haven't opened my presents, and I'm on
the Yak List. Am I addicted and is there any hope for me?
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good flight!
- Val
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| Subject: | Re: So this is "Addiction" |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Val,
Plain and simple, you are addicted! I've had my YAK for 2 years now and I
still look for excuses to get out to the hanger from the office or home.
Either to work on it or fly! Preferably to fly!
It only gets worse. When you start flying her it becomes hopeless!
Unfortunaltely you were introduced to the YAK-List before beginning to fly
your CJ. It to is an addiction.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Buzzard Aviation <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/25/2005 11:42:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: So this is "Addiction"
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Buzzard Aviation
<martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>
> At 16:48 25/12/2005, Valkyre1 wrote:
>
> > Help, is this normal? I just realized that I've spent the
> > last month glued to the phone, my check book, the Yak List, and a
> > Chujaio Manual. My every waking (and most of my sleeping) moments
> > have been obsessively driven by the acquisition of my CJ6. I wake
> > up perpetually grinning.
> > My friends think I've died because they haven't heard a peep
> > out of me for so long. My previously noncommunicative 19 year old
> > son keeps following me around with his tongue hanging out asking
> > "When do we get to go fly it mom?"
> > "Real" people I know have resorted to waving wildly,
> > flashing their lights and honking their horns when driving past me
> > in a vain attempt to say "hello". Evidently I'm oblivious to
> > anything but thoughts of my new airplane.
> > Well it's Christmas morning, I haven't opened my presents,
> > and I'm on the Yak List. Am I addicted and is there any hope for me?
>
> Hiya,
>
> Sounds like normal "new plane" behavior to me:-) Trouble is, it
> usually wears off.
>
> Then I got a Yak 18 and 20 months on I'm still in trouble:-) Who'd
> have thought the Russians would have made something that is just so much
FUN!
>
> Happy Christmas to all from the UK.
>
> Happy Landings
> ____|____
> \O/
> o'o Martin Robinson
>
> Auster AOP 9 G-BKVK (WZ662)
> Yak 18T HA-YAV
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | So this is "Addiction" |
Val askes:
(1.) An additional small pneumatic air bottle for those times when you pre
flight and find through operator error, or mechanical fault, no pressure in
the system. I would imagine that you could also use it in an in flight no pneumatics
pressure emergency assuming the problem wouldn't bleed it all away.
From your dive shop, get a pony tank with a stage one. If you have a Shradder
(sp) valve installed in your fill port, you can have high pressure hose and
fittings made to use giving you about 2200 psi in an emergency. The whole system
fits nicely in a helmet bag to transport cross country. If you contact David
DeSimmon at dvesi10942@aol.com. He can give you all the particulars for putting
the system togather. It was extremely reasonable for that matter. I have
not had to use mine, yet. It is piece of mind when XC though.
(2.) A conventional US artificial horizon for the front cockpit. Why? Try flying
the Chinese version for a few days before you go to that expense. I do not
know about CJ's, but I do not think the have a vacumn system. So you are going
to have to get a cagable electric ADI. That will exceed the cost of those 2 chutes
you got from Dennis hands down. If you are going to pull the existing ADI,
I would consider a Dynon system (for my 0.02 cents. Others will add theirs
too).
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: Ohh yee little Brian spunt and the vote.. |
If anyone needs to receive factual information on Lloyds rants, which were written
to do what Brian enjoys best from behind his computer since the days of the
Mike and Brian Yak List Show, email me and I will gladly send you a MS Word
or text file letter. But I will keep the list for aircraft operational info.
Email me for the letter, you may find it informative concerning member services,
regional leadership, event funding, web redesign, newsletter, treasury reporting,
etc., member or not, you may find it informative.
Drew
lacloudchaser@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Re: So this is "Addiction" |
Val,
Some advice on keeping it simple. When I first got my CJ I added "stuff" and made
mods I later ended up un-doing.
> (1.) An additional small pneumatic air bottle for those times when you pre
> flight and find through operator error, or mechanical fault, no pressure in
> the system. I....
I keep a full size bottle in the hanger. That's where most of my forgetfullness
occurs. On the road, tie it down and get a hand prop. Not hard to do if you know
the start drill. You could also modify the external air port by renoving the
center of the handle, drill and tap for a SS 1/8" schrader valve, That will
plug up to either a strut pump or Nitrogen bottle. Again proper start technique
helps.
> (2.) A conventional US artificial horizon for the front cockpit.
>
Try flying with the stock one first (with a safety pilot of course) Not really
so hard to get used to, you will love the flux-gate/compass if you have one that
holds the course.
>
> (3.) An alternator ( I've heard that the only real problems of consequence
> that CJ owners seem to experience are with the generator.)
>
Not in my experience, 10 years worth and 800 hours. Really nothing wrong with the
stock generator, lasts forever and is capable of more juice that you will ever
need with today's low drain avionics.
>
> (4.) Aux fuel tanks.
>
You have about 20 gallons a side and 1-1/2 in the header tank. Using Liters, you
have 80 per side. Figure 1 Liter/minute burn (15gph) and the guages will offer
a conservative estimate of time remaining.
If the CJ is first leveled on the jacks and the skid-slip balls centered, you then
can adjust trim tabs until it flys straight, hands off. The result will be
a fairly even fuel burn and plenty of range until that new parachute gets really
hard.
>
> (5.)
>
Sorry, not my neck of the woods.
Cheap fixes:
- Doing the procedure in (4) will help save fuel in cruise, so will adjusting the
gear doors for a nice fit.
- Installing an experimental dual EGT guage with 2 good senders (1 per side) will
help with both leaning for consistent fuel burn and a good early warning system
of fouled plugs, bad wires, etc. Yes the 9 cylinder engine monitoring system
is better but I said Cheap Fixes.
- Either swap out the gear strut filler valves or get a simple adapter made up.
I used a metric fitting and brazed on a schader valve body. No need for the valve
as nitrogen pressure will open the existing valve. Carry this adapter in
your "ration box".
Craig Payne
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I have a standard type SCUBA bottle in my hangar and I carry the SCUBA fitting
with on a cross country for emergency. Not many places you cannot borrow or
rent a SCUBA bottle for an emergency. A schraeder fitting is not necessary as
the check valve in the system does the same, the small amount of loss when you
unhook the botle is not worth the trouble. I tapped the fuselage fitting for
AN816- 4 pipe fitting and use matching fitting on the SCUBA hose then cap the
fitting to keeo the dirt out with AN929-4 cap.
However as Craig says hand propping is not that difficult. To make it safer I
bleed off all the air then chock the airplane as you will have no brakes!
Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: So this is "Addiction" Attn. Dennis Savorese |
VAL,
Re Extra scuba pony bottle
Re Reference by Walt Lannon to air or nitrogen charge
Re Reference by Craig Payne to use of air or nitrogen charge
First, I am not familiar with the starting system of the CJ and my
experience is mainly with the M-14 P in the YAK 50, also used in some
instances in CJs. So, I come asking for some clarification of
information contained in the above referenced matters.
Somewhere in the distant past the subject of charging the pneumatic
system in our airplanes with nitrogen was discussed. Specifically, the
issue of starting the engine with a nitrogen charge was questioned. It
was asserted that Nitrogen (without O2) would not support combustion
within the cylinder, therefore, Nitrogen was not a proper agent to be
used for such function, though it was acceptable-even preferable- for use
in other pneumatic functions, ie, raising and lowering the gear,
etc.because Nitrogen is drier than compressed air and the threat of
internal corrosion is reduced. Nitrogen is great for use in the oleo
cylinders because it is a closed system but when introduced into the
system accumulators of our airplanes , as in a pre-charge, no distinction
is made as to where it can be directed. In light of the foregoing, is
carrying a pony bottle charged with nitrgen going to help you get your
engine started when your pneumatic system pressure has leaked down? A
pony bottle charged with scuba air would pose no such problem.
I'd like to hear Dennis' comment on this matter.
Cliff
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 09:48:27 -0700 "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
writes:
Help, is this normal? I just realized that I've spent the last
month glued to the phone, my check book, the Yak List, and a Chujaio
Manual. My every waking (and most of my sleeping) moments have been
obsessively driven by the acquisition of my CJ6. I wake up perpetually
grinning.
My friends think I've died because they haven't heard a peep out
of me for so long. My previously noncommunicative 19 year old son keeps
following me around with his tongue hanging out asking "When do we get to
go fly it mom?"
"Real" people I know have resorted to waving wildly, flashing
their lights and honking their horns when driving past me in a vain
attempt to say "hello". Evidently I'm oblivious to anything but thoughts
of my new airplane.
I've lost 10 pounds in the last two weeks because eating no longer
interests me. Is this normal?
After careful research and some good advice from (of course) Yak
List members, I purchased two David Clark Series K helmets, two flitecom
headsets, and two nearly new Nomex flight suits and gloves.
Dennis Savarese has ordered two chutes for me, aerobatic harness
and para pak material. (Red, so we'll be easier to spot... and because
they look kinda nice with my red cowling and star on the tail of #72).
If there's ANYTHING left in my CJ fund after the completion of
purchase, inspections, hanger, tax etc. I'll throw that back into the
Nanchang too. (Help, my addiction is getting EXPENSIVE!)
I am attempting to prioritize any additional goodies that I might
have added to the aircraft while I'm at it. Any thoughts on these. (
Your opportunity to spend someone's else's $$...that's OK, at the rate
I'm going I'll probably be living in the T Hanger with the CJ anyway, or
it might be a moot point when I check my balance.)
(1.) An additional small pneumatic air bottle for those times when
you pre flight and find through operator error, or mechanical fault, no
pressure in the system. I would imagine that you could also use it in an
in flight no pneumatics pressure emergency assuming the problem wouldn't
bleed it all away.
(2.) A conventional US artificial horizon for the front cockpit.
(3.) An alternator ( I've heard that the only real problems of
consequence that CJ owners seem to experience are with the generator.)
Yes Brian, I am paying attention to the new overvoltage relay system that
your friend is developing. It sounds good and affordable. I think I'll
let other folks test it out for awhile first.
(4.) Aux fuel tanks. (I know, probably LOTs of $$). I'll show no
shame here and ask what is probably a no-brainer question to most of you
here.) In reading the CJ manual, something was lost in the translation
for me where the fuel capacity listed is concerned. It says the fuel
tanks have a capacity of 77liters.
Is that each...or combined? A liter is .26 gallons. If that's
combined, the standard CJ holds 20.02 gallons total. If it burns 14 -16
gallons per hour, that results in what is, for me, a rather limited aloft
time. How much does it hold TOTAL and what is a reasonable "aloft" time
before heading for the fuel truck?
(5.) I will be flying from Aurora, Oregon to Salt Lake City Intnl
Airport where #72 will be hangered soon. Does anyone have any ideas as to
a good route of flight in Jan. = Feb.?
The last 28 years have been on airways at 42,000 feet with
100,000 pounds of fuel plus. Something tells me this will be just a tad
different. I'll be coming back with Skip Slyfield though, so I won't be
a danger to myself or any of you who happen to be up there at the time.
No need to clear the area or execute emergency descents when you see me
coming . And I did come from a general aviation background. I'm sure it
will all come back to me.
Well it's Christmas morning, I haven't opened my presents, and
I'm on the Yak List. Am I addicted and is there any hope for me?
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good flight!
- Val
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
I have a SCUBA to "red star" hose that flies with my airplane... I used to
be concerned about running out of air but then I discovered something:
When primed up good, when the weather is above 40F, hand-propping the CJ
is really quite easy. It WANTS to start.
Once you get over any trepidation about hand propping it, the SCUBA
fitting is really the backup to the backup. Carrying extra air around
hasn't been something that would have "saved the day", at lease at so far,
after 1,200 hours.
Jon
> I have a standard type SCUBA bottle in my hangar and I carry the SCUBA
> fitting with on a cross country for emergency. Not many places you cannot
> borrow or rent a SCUBA bottle for an emergency. A schraeder fitting is not
> necessary as the check valve in the system does the same, the small amount
> of loss when you unhook the botle is not worth the trouble. I tapped the
> fuselage fitting for AN816- 4 pipe fitting and use matching fitting on
> the SCUBA hose then cap the fitting to keeo the dirt out with AN929-4 cap.
> However as Craig says hand propping is not that difficult. To make it
> safer I bleed off all the air then chock the airplane as you will have no
> brakes!
>
> Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all
>
> Joe
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| Subject: | Nitrogen vs. Air |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
My experience has been that straight nitrogen works to bring the system
back to life only if makes up about 50% of the contents of the system.
After that, there's not enough oxygen floating around the intake and
getting it started becomes problematic.
For example, if you get below 20 ATM, you only can run the system back up
to 30 or 35 with nitrogen and it'll work OK. Better to do 30 and try to
get it going than go all the way back to 40 with nitrogen. A second
recharge might be possible but you'll be fighting it... best to give it 6
x "one blade, one pump" of prime and say a little prayer at that point.
If you don't get a good pop in two or three blades, it's better to run a
couple of "one blade, one pump" shots by hand than it is to stand on the
starter button.
I've also found that a standard-issue hair dryer stuffed up under the cowl
for 15 minutes does wonders for combating cold-morning grumpiness.
Jon
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| Subject: | survival of the vested |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
I recently came into posession (hey, *legally*, even) of a fully equipped
current-issue survival vest. Everything but the radio and the sidearm.
It was a good Christmas. :-)
So here's the question, and I know this is just the place to ask it. ;-)
What's the legality of carrying all that (knife, flares, 9mm, etc.) on a
cross-country flight? Am I going to wind up with somebody peering over
their mirrored sunglasses and saying, "Boy, you're in a heap of trouble."
??
Jon
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