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1. 06:06 AM - Survival Vest (Timothy Gagnon)
2. 07:36 AM - Re: survival of the vested (Roger Kemp)
3. 09:03 AM - FAST cards (MFilucci@aol.com)
4. 09:18 AM - Re: survival of the vested (cjpilot710@aol.com)
5. 09:21 AM - Re: Air bottles (Ernest Martinez)
6. 09:25 AM - Re: Waycross Races Again (Ernest Martinez)
7. 09:39 AM - Seasons Greetings (Ernest Martinez)
8. 11:11 AM - Re: So this is "Addiction" (Barry Hancock)
9. 11:57 AM - Re: survival of the vested (Schlafly Fred)
10. 02:38 PM - Re: Stephen Fox has sent you an Apple iCard (ADE)
11. 03:52 PM - EFIS-D10A - Yak 52-TW (David McGirt)
12. 04:39 PM - Re: EFIS-D10A - Yak 52-TW (bpx2horn@aol.com)
13. 04:53 PM - Re: survival of the vested (Roger Kemp)
14. 06:36 PM - Re: survival of the vested (fish@aviation-tech.com)
15. 07:01 PM - Re: survival of the vested (ggg6@att.net)
16. 09:34 PM - Re: survival of the vested (Roger Kemp)
17. 09:40 PM - Re: survival of the vested (ggg6@att.net)
18. 10:06 PM - Re: survival of the vested (Roger Kemp)
19. 10:09 PM - Re: survival of the vested (Roger Kemp)
20. 10:13 PM - Re: survival of the vested (ggg6@att.net)
21. 10:17 PM - Ck this out (ggg6@att.net)
22. 10:42 PM - LAPD cop shot in the butt..... (Frank Haertlein)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
I would say that only the 9mm will cause you some issues. Every state has
laws regarding a the carrying of a gun. In Ohio, you can after you have
taken the required training and been authorized to carry a concealed (or
not) weapon. Some states simply do not allow it. I would leave the pistol at
home.
By the way, you can find the radio if you look hard enough. The USAF
recently switched to newer radios and may be looking to dump the old ones.
Check the DRMO or Ebay for one.
Tim
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| Subject: | survival of the vested |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Jon,
Unless you have a pistol permit for each state you plan to visit, leave the
gun behind. You need to check with the respective state law enforcement
agencies of the states you wish to transverse. Some have a two step rule
for transporting firearms. That as it sounds takes two distinct time
consuming steps to fire the weapon. IE. it has to be retreived from a
locked console, loaded, cocked, and fired.
As for the radio, an ICOM fits nicely in the pouch and does not weigh as
much as a PRC 90 (the old mil.radio). The advantage of a PRC is that it has
a transponder (ELT). The disadvantage is if you go down and need help, you
are going to be talking on the Military emergency frequency on UHF not VHF.
There probably will not be military aircraft overhead intially equiped to
talk to you on the UHF for awhile.
All else that you are going to carry in you vest is legal. I would leave
the vest in the cargo bag stowed in the YAK though after landing.
Particularly if it involves having to go through screeners to get back out
on the ramp. Before someone pipes up and says we are not going into any
place that requires screening before departure, it will happen. Even in
class C FBO's, it is happening. Big Brother is watching.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Jon Boede <jon@email.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 12/25/2005 10:31:46 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: survival of the vested
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> I recently came into posession (hey, *legally*, even) of a fully equipped
> current-issue survival vest. Everything but the radio and the sidearm.
> It was a good Christmas. :-)
>
> So here's the question, and I know this is just the place to ask it. ;-)
>
> What's the legality of carrying all that (knife, flares, 9mm, etc.) on a
> cross-country flight? Am I going to wind up with somebody peering over
> their mirrored sunglasses and saying, "Boy, you're in a heap of trouble."
> ??
>
> Jon
>
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RPA Warbird Drivers,
We'll be issuing the 2006 RPA FAST cards over the next few weeks. If you meet
the following two conditions, your card will be automatically sent out to you:
1. formation current
2. RPA membership current
You can check on your formation status/currency by logging onto the RPA
website.
To navigate to the database:
* From the Home page, click on the "Operations" menu along the top of the
Home page menu bar
* Select "FAST Formation" from the sidebar menu
* Scroll down to "FAST Database Locator and Contact List," "RPA FAST Currency
Roster--Updated Dec 26th, 2005"
* Select "Download here"
Regards,
Mike Filucci
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| Subject: | Re: survival of the vested |
Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding
.22 cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In
survival situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits,
birds, etc., for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in
AK
and wilder points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even
notice a .22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not
think any local county Mountie will brother you with a .22 cal rifle or any
caliber rifle in you possession. ALL pistols are problems no matter what
caliber.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I kept the original air fittings on both my CJ and L-29. When I travel
I have a schrader to russian adapter. Fits in the glove box of the CJ
or my side puch in the jet.
Ernie
On 12/25/05, Jon Boede <jon@email.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> I have a SCUBA to "red star" hose that flies with my airplane... I used to
> be concerned about running out of air but then I discovered something:
>
> When primed up good, when the weather is above 40F, hand-propping the CJ
> is really quite easy. It WANTS to start.
>
> Once you get over any trepidation about hand propping it, the SCUBA
> fitting is really the backup to the backup. Carrying extra air around
> hasn't been something that would have "saved the day", at lease at so far,
> after 1,200 hours.
>
> Jon
>
> > I have a standard type SCUBA bottle in my hangar and I carry the SCUBA
> > fitting with on a cross country for emergency. Not many places you cannot
> > borrow or rent a SCUBA bottle for an emergency. A schraeder fitting is not
> > necessary as the check valve in the system does the same, the small amount
> > of loss when you unhook the botle is not worth the trouble. I tapped the
> > fuselage fitting for AN816- 4 pipe fitting and use matching fitting on
> > the SCUBA hose then cap the fitting to keeo the dirt out with AN929-4 cap.
> > However as Craig says hand propping is not that difficult. To make it
> > safer I bleed off all the air then chock the airplane as you will have no
> > brakes!
> >
> > Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all
> >
> > Joe
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Waycross Races Again |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Count me in.
Ernie
On 12/25/05, Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
>
> I saw the good news from Shane, 34 airplanes signed up for Waycross. Anybody
> up for some fun? Last year a few volunteers helped me test some ideas on how
> to put on a Racing Exhibition act and we learned a few things from that
> brief practice, This year I'd like to take it a few more steps.
>
> So far, our RPA leaders have shied away from the idea of endorsing a Race
> Act for hire so I propose to put together an independent team of FAST rated
> pilots that are interested in doing a demo or two somewhere to develop an
> act for the airshow circuit.
>
> Speed is not an issue, sharp, disciplined flying is. This is a scripted
> routine where Yaks fly just as fast as CJ's and the end product is an
> exciting display of low level non-aerobatic "exhibition" flying on a tight
> closed course.
>
> Let me know off-list.
>
>
> Merry Christmas!
> Craig Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | Seasons Greetings |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
do not archive
Just got back from sunny Ft Myers Fl. Took the jet down just to blow
some holiday cheer out my tail pipe (300 gallons to be exact!). Just
got done reading all the posts, seems things have been going smoothly
in my absence :)
Merry X-mas and Happy New Year, Happy Hanuka to all you semites, Happy
Kuanza to all the black folk out there who are into that sort of
thing, happy (make a clearing your throat sound like you've got 3
pints of loogeys in there) to all you muslims, and happy whatever to
the rest of you heathens.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: So this is "Addiction" |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
OK, I'll take a whack at this one....
>
Having spent considerable time and money on my "dream" CJ (funny, my
dream has changed a bit now! ;) ) I hope there are a few lessons
learned to pass on....
>
> 1. Auxiliary air bottle. Really necessary for the day you arrive in
> the middle
> of nowhere and forget to close the air valve.
Yep, like many things, there are those who have, and those who
will....I haven't yet (well, on the road, anyway) but I'm sure I will!
;)
> b. Install an additional air
> bottle in series with the existing tank but with a shut-off valve so
> this can
> be isolated when fully charged. This will allow a system re-charge and
> probably
> get you going UNLESS you forgot to close the isolation valve as well!
This is what I did, and what we will do to our incoming aircraft. It's
an almost fool proof setup and beats dragging a bottle around and/or
taking a bottle out to fill it. If you forget to close two air
bottles....
> 2. Try the upside down AH for a while , you may get to like it.
The Chinese originals are just fine, like others have said. However,
of the 4 total Chinese AI's that I've had, 3 failed in the couple
hundred hours I owned my first CJ. I went with a standard size Czech
gyro (used in Zlins) with solid state inverters on my current CJ and
like them very much. However, if I had it to do over I would go with a
Dynon, hands down. Lots more info on a very reliable unit...and not a
lot more than a standard gyro.
>
> 4. Aux. fuel tanks, yep BIG$$$$. Standard fuel is 77 lts per side, 154
> lts plus
> about 8 lts in the header 4 of which are useable SO useable fuel is
> 158 lts.
> At 56 lts/hr that is about 2.8 hrs to DRY tanks.
I always felt uncomfortable going cross country with the smaller tanks.
Flying over parts of the Western US....like going almost anywhere from
SLC...can leave you limited options. I have Doug Sapp's aux. tanks
which gives me 77 gallons. I have only once gone 3+ hours in my
CJ....when I ferried Doug's new CJ from Phoenix to Omak last year with
the 60+ gal. fuel bladders (I can still taste Dad Sapp's pancakes!) I
had a 4+ hour leg......NEVER again!!!!!!! Point is it's nice to have
options if you're going to be flying a lot of X/C....I'd rather have a
sore butt and peace of mind. That being said 2+ hours of reasonable
cruise will be plenty until you get enough money in the kitty...I'd do
the other things you mentioned first.
> Until you know your actual fuel consumption I would limit your flights
> to a max.
> of 2 Hrs. I guess I could have converted to that antiquated gallon
> system, but
> thought I should help encourage you Americans to get with the program.
You know, I have gallons in my CJ (two EI gauges I like very much) and
I find myself multiplying by 4 to get a WAG on minutes remaining.
Using the conservative liter/min. rule for cruise flight is sure
handy....
Val, this is just the beginning....good luck!
Barry
PS Our first two completely overhauled CJ's are in the process of
clearing customs in Long Beach. I'm hopeful to have them at our
facility by the end of the week. Will post "arrival" pictures....you
can see pictures of the planes in China at www.cj6.com.
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| Subject: | Re: survival of the vested |
If you are flying over country with dangerous game, a .44 mag pistol should be
your minimum protection if forced to land. A short lever rifle in 45-70 or similar
is better. If the dangerous game is on two legs, a .357, 9mm or .40 cal pistol
will work just fine. No pistols allowed in Canada...what a shame. More than
half the States in the US recognize right to carry CCW permits from other
states or do not require a permit. Check with each State before going there.
Personally, if a State does not recognize my permit, I avoid that State and spend
my money elsewhere. For food (light game) a folding or breakdown .22 rifle
is good...one even floats.
Be prepared,
Fred Schlafly
YAK-52
----- Original Message -----
From: tcjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding
.22 cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In
survival situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits, birds,
etc., for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in AK
and wilder points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even notice
a .22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not
think any local county Mountie will brother you with a .22 cal rifle or any caliber
rifle in you possession. ALL pistols are problems no matter what caliber.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Stephen Fox has sent you an Apple iCard |
Mine is!!
On Dec 23, 2005, at 11:52 PM, N13472@aol.com wrote:
>
> That has to be a doctored picture! NO BODYS hangar is that clean!!!!!
>
> Tom & Nora Elliott
> CASCADE WARBIRDS
> CJ-6A NX63727
> 777 Quartz Ave # 7004
> Sandy Valley NV 89019
> Home 702-723-1223
> Fax 702-723-1243
> Cell 702-595-2680 Tom
> Cell 702-808-1316 Nora
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| Subject: | EFIS-D10A - Yak 52-TW |
Anyone out there have experience putting an EFIS-D10A into a 52 TW? I have
only heard good things about the units so far..
David "Talon" McGirt
Proud new owner of a 52-TW
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS-D10A - Yak 52-TW |
Yes I have a D10A in my plane and took out the vacume pump. I am very happy with
it and its ablity to not get lost unless the acro gets extreme. If it does get
lost after some spins or snaps it takes just a few moments to realign after
flying straight and level. The best part is there is no moving parts to wear
out.
Paul Hornick
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| Subject: | Re: survival of the vested |
Fred,
I agree with you. Any state that does not recognize my pistol permit does not get
my money. Now a 9mm with high power hollow point rounds work fine for both
two and 4 legged varmits. 13 rounds in the magazine and 1 in the snout, gives
you even more options. Just incase you were off a little with the first shot,
you have 13 more to finish what you started. The hollow point disapates the majority
of it's energy on impact leaving a rather large entrance and exit hole.
Just asked the somewhat peaved cotton mouth that crawled up on my deck last summer.
Blew it in half from 25 yards. 5 feet long and 4 3/4 in diameter. The round
hit the decking but only a minor amount of damage was done to the wood.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Schlafly Fred
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
If you are flying over country with dangerous game, a .44 mag pistol should be
your minimum protection if forced to land. A short lever rifle in 45-70 or similar
is better. If the dangerous game is on two legs, a .357, 9mm or .40 cal pistol
will work just fine. No pistols allowed in Canada...what a shame. More than
half the States in the US recognize right to carry CCW permits from other
states or do not require a permit. Check with each State before going there.
Personally, if a State does not recognize my permit, I avoid that State and spend
my money elsewhere. For food (light game) a folding or breakdown .22 rifle
is good...one even floats.
Be prepared,
Fred Schlafly
YAK-52
----- Original Message -----
From: tcjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding .22
cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In survival
situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits, birds,
etc., for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in AK and
wilder points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even notice
a .22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not think
any local county Mountie will brother you with a .22 cal rifle or any caliber
rifle in you possession. ALL pistols are problems no matter what caliber.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: survival of the vested |
--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Doc,
I beg to disagree, the 9mm hollow point will stop too many things. I know this
from personel experiance.
Last week I had an acidental discharge of my beretta 9mm, as I was reholtering
it after a search. I was shot in the right theigh with 9mm hollow point. It
felt like I had been kicked. Two days with a small limp and then just a bruise
and two small holes to heal. My doctor was going to release me back to full
duty with in 7 days of the incident, but work was going to take 4-6 weeks to
clear me.
When I returned from the Doc's, my boss told me the city had cleard me to return
full duty as soon as my doc clears me.
I am just glad I was not shot with a 45 cal!
One last thing, wear the vest when you fly. Studies have shown that what you
have when you leave the aircraft is what you will have in a survival setting.
Fly Safe
John Fischer
Ex-Aviation Life Support Tech
LAPD
>
>Fred,
>I agree with you. Any state that does not recognize my pistol permit does not
get my money. Now a 9mm with high power hollow point rounds work fine for both
two and 4 legged varmits. 13 rounds in the magazine and 1 in the snout, gives
you even more options. Just incase you were off a little with the first shot,
you have 13 more to finish what you started. The hollow point disapates the
majority of it's energy on impact leaving a rather large entrance and exit hole.
Just asked the somewhat peaved cotton mou
>Doc
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Schlafly Fred
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Sent: 12/26/2005 1:57:24 PM
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
>
>
>If you are flying over country with dangerous game, a .44 mag pistol should
be your minimum protection if forced to land. A short lever rifle in 45-70 or
similar is better. If the dangerous game is on two legs, a .357, 9mm or .40
cal pistol will work just fine. No pistols allowed in Canada...what a shame.
More than half the States in the US recognize right to carry CCW permits from
other states or do not require a permit. Check with each State before going
there. Personally, if a State does not recognize
>
>Be prepared,
>
>Fred Schlafly
>YAK-52
>----- Original Message -----
>From: tcjpilot710@aol.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 12:17 PM
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
>
>
>Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding
.22 cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In
survival situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits, birds,
etc., for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in AK
and wilder points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even notice
a .22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not think
any local county Mountie will brother
>
>Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: survival of the vested |
If any of You have a CCW, or are planning on qualifying for one, or if not, here is a web site to look at in regards to one state honoring another starts CCW permit, as for the states of New York, Wisconson, and of course California, they have a left wing attitude about a person protecting oneself. Good places to avoid...... www.packing.com It will give you a lot of info... Gary
-------------- Original message from "Schlafly Fred" <fschlafly@sprynet.com>: --------------
If you are flying over country with dangerous game, a .44 mag pistol should be
your minimum protection if forced to land. A short lever rifle in 45-70 or similar
is better. If the dangerous game is on two legs, a .357, 9mm or .40 cal pistol
will work just fine. No pistols allowed in Canada...what a shame. More than
half the States in the US recognize right to carry CCW permits from other
states or do not require a permit. Check with each State before going there.
Personally, if a State does not recognize my permit, I avoid that State and spend
my money elsewhere. For food (light game) a folding or breakdown .22 rifle
is good...one even floats.
Be prepared,
Fred Schlafly
YAK-52
----- Original Message -----
From: tcjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding .22
cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In survival
situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits, birds,
etc., for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in AK and
wilder points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even notice
a .22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not think
any local county Mountie will brother you with a .22 cal rifle or any caliber
rifle in you possession. ALL pistols are problems no matter what caliber.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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If any of You have a CCW, or are planning on qualifying for one, or if not, here is a web site to look at in regards to one state honoring another starts CCW permit, as for the states of New York, Wisconson, and of course California, they have a left wing attitude about a person protecting oneself. Good places to avoid...... www.packing.com It will give you a lot of info... Gary
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If you are flying over country with dangerous game, a .44 mag pistol should be
your minimum protection if forced to land. A short lever rifle in 45-70 or similar
is better. If the dangerous game is on two legs, a .357, 9mm or .40 cal pistol
will work just fine. No pistols allowed in Canada...what a shame. More than
half the States in the US recognize right to carry CCW permits from other
states or do not require a permit. Check with each State before going there. Personally,
if a State does not recognize my permit, Iavoid that State and spend
my money elsewhere. For food (light game)a folding or breakdown .22 rifle is
good...one even floats.
Be prepared,
Fred Schlafly
YAK-52
----- Original Message -----
From: t<A title=cjpilot710@aol.com ">cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding .22
cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In survival
situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits, birds, etc.,
for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in AK and wilder
points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even notice a
.22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not think
any local county Mountie will brother you with a .22 cal rifle or any caliber
rifle in you possession. ALL pistols are problems no matter what caliber.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Uh Gary,
That site was for corrugated packing boxes and moving supplies. Do you have a different
URL for this site? Or did I just get sent packing?
I'll pass this site on to my son who is in the middle of a PCS move now.
Thanks,
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
If any of You have a CCW, or are planning on qualifying for one, or if not, here is a web site to look at in regards to one state honoring another starts CCW permit, as for the states of New York, Wisconson, and of course California, they have a left wing attitude about a person protecting oneself. Good places to avoid...... www.packing.com It will give you a lot of info... Gary
-------------- Original message from "Schlafly Fred" <fschlafly@sprynet.com>: --------------
If you are flying over country with dangerous game, a .44 mag pistol should be
your minimum protection if forced to land. A short lever rifle in 45-70 or similar
is better. If the dangerous game is on two legs, a .357, 9mm or .40 cal pistol
will work just fine. No pistols allowed in Canada...what a shame. More than
half the States in the US recognize right to carry CCW permits from other
states or do not require a permit. Check with each State before going there.
Personally, if a State does not recognize my permit, I avoid that State and spend
my money elsewhere. For food (light game) a folding or breakdown .22 rifle
is good...one even floats.
Be prepared,
Fred Schlafly
YAK-52
----- Original Message -----
From: tcjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding .22
cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In survival
situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits, birds,
etc., for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in AK and
wilder points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even notice
a .22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not think
any local county Mountie will brother you with a .22 cal rifle or any caliber
rifle in you possession. ALL pistols are problems no matter what caliber.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Hi Doc,,, here it is again, I just typed it in and it came up for CCW info...
http://www.packing.org/ Gary.
-------------- Original message from "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>: --------------
Uh Gary,
That site was for corrugated packing boxes and moving supplies. Do you have a different
URL for this site? Or did I just get sent packing?
I'll pass this site on to my son who is in the middle of a PCS move now.
Thanks,
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
If any of You have a CCW, or are planning on qualifying for one, or if not, here is a web site to look at in regards to one state honoring another starts CCW permit, as for the states of New York, Wisconson, and of course California, they have a left wing attitude about a person protecting oneself. Good places to avoid...... www.packing.com It will give you a lot of info... Gary
-------------- Original message from "Schlafly Fred" <fschlafly@sprynet.com>: --------------
If you are flying over country with dangerous game, a .44 mag pistol should be
your minimum protection if forced to land. A short lever rifle in 45-70 or similar
is better. If the dangerous game is on two legs, a .357, 9mm or .40 cal pistol
will work just fine. No pistols allowed in Canada...what a shame. More than
half the States in the US recognize right to carry CCW permits from other
states or do not require a permit. Check with each State before going there.
Personally, if a State does not recognize my permit, I avoid that State and spend
my money elsewhere. For food (light game) a folding or breakdown .22 rifle
is good...one even floats.
Be prepared,
Fred Schlafly
YAK-52
----- Original Message -----
From: tcjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding .22
cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In survival
situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits, birds,
etc., for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in AK and
wilder points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even notice
a .22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not think
any local county Mountie will brother you with a .22 cal rifle or any caliber
rifle in you possession. ALL pistols are problems no matter what caliber.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Hi Doc,,, here it is again, I just typed it in and it came up for CCW info...
http://www.packing.org/ Gary.
-------------- Original message from "Roger Kemp" viperdoc@mindspring.com: --------------
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Uh Gary,
That site was for corrugated packing boxes and moving supplies. Do you have a different
URL for this site? Or did I just get sent packing?
I'll pass this site on to my son who is in the middle of a PCS move now.
Thanks,
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: <A title=ggg6@att.net ">
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
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If any of You have a CCW, or are planning on qualifying for one, or if not, here is a web site to look at in regards to one state honoring another starts CCW permit, as for the states of New York, Wisconson, and of course California, they have a left wing attitude about a person protecting oneself. Good places to avoid...... www.packing.com It will give you a lot of info... Gary
-------------- Original message from "Schlafly Fred" fschlafly@sprynet.com: --------------
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1528" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
If you are flying over country with dangerous game, a .44 mag pistol should be
your minimum protection if forced to land. A short lever rifle in 45-70 or similar
is better. If the dangerous game is on two legs, a .357, 9mm or .40 cal pistol
will work just fine. No pistols allowed in Canada...what a shame. More than
half the States in the US recognize right to carry CCW permits from other
states or do not require a permit. Check with each State before going there. Personally,
if a State does not recognize my permit, Iavoid that State and spend
my money elsewhere. For food (light game)a folding or breakdown .22 rifle is
good...one even floats.
Be prepared,
Fred Schlafly
YAK-52
----- Original Message -----
From: t<A title=cjpilot710@aol.com ">cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding .22
cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In survival
situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits, birds, etc.,
for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in AK and wilder
points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even notice a
.22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not think
any local county Mountie will brother you with a .22 cal rifle or any caliber
rifle in you possession. ALL pistols are problems no matter what caliber.
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I found it. It is www.packing.org.
Thanks,
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Uh Gary,
That site was for corrugated packing boxes and moving supplies. Do you have a different
URL for this site? Or did I just get sent packing?
I'll pass this site on to my son who is in the middle of a PCS move now.
Thanks,
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
If any of You have a CCW, or are planning on qualifying for one, or if not, here is a web site to look at in regards to one state honoring another starts CCW permit, as for the states of New York, Wisconson, and of course California, they have a left wing attitude about a person protecting oneself. Good places to avoid...... www.packing.com It will give you a lot of info... Gary
-------------- Original message from "Schlafly Fred" <fschlafly@sprynet.com>: --------------
If you are flying over country with dangerous game, a .44 mag pistol should be
your minimum protection if forced to land. A short lever rifle in 45-70 or similar
is better. If the dangerous game is on two legs, a .357, 9mm or .40 cal pistol
will work just fine. No pistols allowed in Canada...what a shame. More than
half the States in the US recognize right to carry CCW permits from other
states or do not require a permit. Check with each State before going there.
Personally, if a State does not recognize my permit, I avoid that State and spend
my money elsewhere. For food (light game) a folding or breakdown .22 rifle
is good...one even floats.
Be prepared,
Fred Schlafly
YAK-52
----- Original Message -----
From: tcjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding .22
cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In survival
situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits, birds,
etc., for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in AK and
wilder points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even notice
a .22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not think
any local county Mountie will brother you with a .22 cal rifle or any caliber
rifle in you possession. ALL pistols are problems no matter what caliber.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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I found it also.
Thanks, looks like my permit is good just about everywhere except those you already
pointed out.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Hi Doc,,, here it is again, I just typed it in and it came up for CCW info...
http://www.packing.org/ Gary.
-------------- Original message from "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>: --------------
Uh Gary,
That site was for corrugated packing boxes and moving supplies. Do you have a different
URL for this site? Or did I just get sent packing?
I'll pass this site on to my son who is in the middle of a PCS move now.
Thanks,
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
If any of You have a CCW, or are planning on qualifying for one, or if not, here is a web site to look at in regards to one state honoring another starts CCW permit, as for the states of New York, Wisconson, and of course California, they have a left wing attitude about a person protecting oneself. Good places to avoid...... www.packing.com It will give you a lot of info... Gary
-------------- Original message from "Schlafly Fred" <fschlafly@sprynet.com>: --------------
If you are flying over country with dangerous game, a .44 mag pistol should be
your minimum protection if forced to land. A short lever rifle in 45-70 or similar
is better. If the dangerous game is on two legs, a .357, 9mm or .40 cal pistol
will work just fine. No pistols allowed in Canada...what a shame. More than
half the States in the US recognize right to carry CCW permits from other
states or do not require a permit. Check with each State before going there.
Personally, if a State does not recognize my permit, I avoid that State and spend
my money elsewhere. For food (light game) a folding or breakdown .22 rifle
is good...one even floats.
Be prepared,
Fred Schlafly
YAK-52
----- Original Message -----
From: tcjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding .22
cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In survival
situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits, birds,
etc., for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in AK and
wilder points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even notice
a .22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not think
any local county Mountie will brother you with a .22 cal rifle or any caliber
rifle in you possession. ALL pistols are problems no matter what caliber.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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What state is your permit in Doc?
-------------- Original message from "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>: --------------
I found it also.
Thanks, looks like my permit is good just about everywhere except those you already
pointed out.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Hi Doc,,, here it is again, I just typed it in and it came up for CCW info...
http://www.packing.org/ Gary.
-------------- Original message from "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>: --------------
Uh Gary,
That site was for corrugated packing boxes and moving supplies. Do you have a different
URL for this site? Or did I just get sent packing?
I'll pass this site on to my son who is in the middle of a PCS move now.
Thanks,
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
If any of You have a CCW, or are planning on qualifying for one, or if not, here is a web site to look at in regards to one state honoring another starts CCW permit, as for the states of New York, Wisconson, and of course California, they have a left wing attitude about a person protecting oneself. Good places to avoid...... www.packing.com It will give you a lot of info... Gary
-------------- Original message from "Schlafly Fred" <fschlafly@sprynet.com>: --------------
If you are flying over country with dangerous game, a .44 mag pistol should be
your minimum protection if forced to land. A short lever rifle in 45-70 or similar
is better. If the dangerous game is on two legs, a .357, 9mm or .40 cal pistol
will work just fine. No pistols allowed in Canada...what a shame. More than
half the States in the US recognize right to carry CCW permits from other
states or do not require a permit. Check with each State before going there.
Personally, if a State does not recognize my permit, I avoid that State and spend
my money elsewhere. For food (light game) a folding or breakdown .22 rifle
is good...one even floats.
Be prepared,
Fred Schlafly
YAK-52
----- Original Message -----
From: tcjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding .22
cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In survival
situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits, birds,
etc., for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in AK and
wilder points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even notice
a .22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not think
any local county Mountie will brother you with a .22 cal rifle or any caliber
rifle in you possession. ALL pistols are problems no matter what caliber.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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What state is your permit in Doc?
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I found it also.
Thanks, looks like my permit is good just about everywhere except those you already
pointed out.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: <A title=ggg6@att.net ">
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
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Hi Doc,,, here it is again, I just typed it in and it came up for CCW info...
http://www.packing.org/ Gary.
-------------- Original message from "Roger Kemp" viperdoc@mindspring.com: --------------
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<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR>
Uh Gary,
That site was for corrugated packing boxes and moving supplies. Do you have a different
URL for this site? Or did I just get sent packing?
I'll pass this site on to my son who is in the middle of a PCS move now.
Thanks,
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: <A title=ggg6@att.net ">
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
<!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
If any of You have a CCW, or are planning on qualifying for one, or if not, here is a web site to look at in regards to one state honoring another starts CCW permit, as for the states of New York, Wisconson, and of course California, they have a left wing attitude about a person protecting oneself. Good places to avoid...... www.packing.com It will give you a lot of info... Gary
-------------- Original message from "Schlafly Fred" fschlafly@sprynet.com: --------------
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1528" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
If you are flying over country with dangerous game, a .44 mag pistol should be
your minimum protection if forced to land. A short lever rifle in 45-70 or similar
is better. If the dangerous game is on two legs, a .357, 9mm or .40 cal pistol
will work just fine. No pistols allowed in Canada...what a shame. More than
half the States in the US recognize right to carry CCW permits from other
states or do not require a permit. Check with each State before going there. Personally,
if a State does not recognize my permit, Iavoid that State and spend
my money elsewhere. For food (light game)a folding or breakdown .22 rifle is
good...one even floats.
Be prepared,
Fred Schlafly
YAK-52
----- Original Message -----
From: t<A title=cjpilot710@aol.com ">cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: survival of the vested
Years ago there survival kits that the USAF carried that had a little folding .22
cal rifle. It was a neat little thing and very good at close range. In survival
situations you don't need large caliber weapons to kill rabbits, birds, etc.,
for meat. If landing in "Indian country" that's different. Up in AK and wilder
points north, because the average big Brown bear will not even notice a
.22 so we can say that where you're at dictates what to carry. I do not think
any local county Mountie will brother you with a .22 cal rifle or any caliber
rifle in you possession. ALL pistols are problems no matter what caliber.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Last week I shot an LAPD cop in the butt with a 9 MM because he dared to
post on the YAK-LIST a non aviation related subject. Let me tell you,
nothin' worse than a LAPD cop shot in the butt.
The jumpin, hollerin', screamin', cursin', and slappin' himself in the
butt....you should have seen it :)
Frank
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