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1. 01:42 AM - Re: Air bottles (fish@aviation-tech.com)
2. 05:20 AM - Air Bottle Testing (Jeff Linebaugh)
3. 05:27 AM - Air Bottle Testing (Jeff Linebaugh)
4. 05:35 AM - Re: Air Bottle Testing (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 05:56 AM - Re: Air bottles (Fraser, Gus)
6. 06:17 AM - Overhead Breaks (MFilucci@aol.com)
7. 06:40 AM - Re: Air bottles (doug sapp)
8. 06:44 AM - Re: prop pitch (Scott Kirk)
9. 07:11 AM - Re: slow air leak (doug sapp)
10. 07:18 AM - Toolbox pictures (Buzzard Aviation)
11. 07:26 AM - formation breaks (Mark Jefferies YAK Uk)
12. 07:34 AM - Re: formation breaks (Jerome Van der Schaar)
13. 08:00 AM - Re: Air bottles (Brian Lloyd)
14. 09:25 AM - Re: Air bottles (Walter Lannon)
15. 10:17 AM - Re: prop pitch (Walter Lannon)
16. 12:28 PM - aerobatics (FamilyGage@aol.com)
17. 12:45 PM - FOD CHECK~! (Tom Johnson)
18. 12:46 PM - Annual Inspection Checklist (Tom Johnson)
19. 01:06 PM - Re: FOD CHECK~! (Stephen Fox)
20. 01:44 PM - Re: Annual Inspection Checklist (Roger Kemp)
21. 02:08 PM - Re: FOD CHECK~! (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
22. 02:30 PM - BOTTLE TEST (JOE HOWSE)
23. 03:24 PM - Re: Survival Vest (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
24. 04:18 PM - Survival Vest (Frank Haertlein)
25. 06:08 PM - Survival Vest (Timothy Gagnon)
26. 06:32 PM - Re: Survival Vest (Roger Kemp)
27. 07:04 PM - Re: Survival Vest (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
28. 07:12 PM - Re: Survival Vest (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
29. 07:25 PM - Re: Annual Inspection Checklist (A. Dennis Savarese)
30. 08:02 PM - Re: Survival Vest (Brian Lloyd)
31. 11:13 PM - Journey complete! (Barry Hancock)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Yak List,
Over the weekend I was watching the Myth Busters, and they did a show on the
movie JAWS. One of the things they did was to shoot a hole in a Scuba bottle,
and the results were very interesting. The bottle did not blow up, but did have
to expend a serious amout of pressure(bounce all over a 40' sea container).
They stated the equivilant in explosives, but I do not remember.
Be carfull
John Fischer
Yak-52, N213YA
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:31 PM
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>>
>> Ignoring the emergency tank and assuming the paintball tank as estimated
>> Boyle's Law say's there will be 2800 psi in the CJ main tank.
>>
>> Walt
>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>>>
>>> Dave;
>>>
>>> The CJ air tanks are 12 liters (main) and 3 liters (emerg). With the main
>>> air valve open both tanks are charged from the external supply (or from
>>> the compressor)
>>> With the main air valve closed only the small emergency tank will be
>>> charged.
>>>
>>> Arithmetic gives me a headache but here are some numbers for you that
>>> suggest you treat that 3000 psi bottle with great respect.
>>>
>>> 1. Don't know the actual size of your paintball tank but lets call it 6"
>>> dia X 24" long. That represents an internal volume of 0.3927 cu. ft.
>>> Into that is packed 72 cu ft of air or 183 tank volumes.
>>>
>>> 2. One paintball tank volume (0.3927 cu ft) = 11.12 liters
>>>
>>> 3. Without getting too involved in the arithmetic that means when you
>>> transfer that 3000 psi to the CJ main you would theoretically have
>>> slightly less than 3000 psi in that tank.
>
> If your paintball tank volume is
>>> less than my estimate then you will have more than 3000 psi.
>
>WRONG. Got that backwards.
> The smaller the external tank the lower the pressure. But to stay under the
>operating pressure limit of 50 Atm (730psi) the external tank cannot exceed
>3 liters in volume at a pressure of 3000 psi for transfer to a 12 liter
>tank.
>
>Theoretically
>>> of course since the CJ tank (and/or most of the aircraft) would have
>>> exploded long before then.
>>>
>>> Please be very cautious. You are dealing with a bomb
>>>
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| Subject: | Air Bottle Testing |
Get your air bottles tested, YES!
Two years ago, I found my CJ emergency bottle in very sad shape, and had to
replace it. My main bottle was tested and found to be fine...
At that time we postulated that the emergency tank sits "stagnant" more than
the main tank. When filling the main air tank, I squirt a bit of air tool
oil in the fill line to add a little rust preventative. The emergency tank
doesn't benefit from this if still full as the air recharge won't get to it.
Using Nitrogen instead of air would help prevent rust. (That is the reason
Nitrogen should be used in struts instead of air Dave.) Nitrogen is not too
desireable for the main tank in my book (and besides, it would be quickly
diluted by the compressor air), but should be just fine for emergency tank
use. Fill the emergency tank to a value just slightly higher than the main
system operating pressure (but still below normal limits). Then assuming no
leaks, your emergency system should remain isolated and full of N2, and be
less prone to rust. To do this requires playing with your pressure regulator
This method would not be required for Yak 52 folks as their emergency system
is completely isolated (cannot be charged by the compressor). Is it common
to charge Yak 52 systems with N2? I hope so...
Just a thought...
Jeff
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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| Subject: | Air Bottle Testing |
My personal experience with Tyms for air bottle testing was not too great
It took 5 weeks to get my bottles back, and one of the fitting seats was
damaged (on my brand new emergency tank). It required 3 phone calls to get
my bottles back. A friend had a similar experience just last month.
I have since been told that most large cities should have bottle testing
companies, as most forklifts are going to propane, and their bottles require
regular testing. I have also been told that they should have fittings to fit
our bottles... I have not comfirmed this, but was told by a forklift
mechanic. Anybody else have an alternative? Tyms, in my book is not a great
alternative...
Jeff
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Air Bottle Testing |
It is possible to charge Yak 52's with Nitrogen particularly if both the main and
emergency systems are completely empty. However, I would recommend after doing
so to discharge the main air tank and recharge it with dry compressed air
(breathing air) to a point just below the pressure relief valve pressure. This
technique should prevent the compressed air from diluting the Nitrogen in the
emergency tank.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Linebaugh
To: yak-list@matronics. com
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:17 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Air Bottle Testing
Get your air bottles tested, YES!
Two years ago, I found my CJ emergency bottle in very sad shape, and had
to replace it. My main bottle was tested and found to be fine...
At that time we postulated that the emergency tank sits "stagnant" more
than the main tank. When filling the main air tank, I squirt a bit of air tool
oil in the fill line to add a little rust preventative. The emergency tank doesn't
benefit from this if still full as the air recharge won't get to it.
Using Nitrogen instead of air would help prevent rust. (That is the reason
Nitrogen should be used in struts instead of air Dave.) Nitrogen is not too
desireable for the main tank in my book (and besides, it would be quickly diluted
by the compressor air), but should be just fine for emergency tank use.
Fill the emergency tank to a value just slightly higher than the main system
operating pressure (but still below normal limits). Then assuming no leaks, your
emergency system should remain isolated and full of N2, and be less prone
to rust. To do this requires playing with your pressure regulator.
This method would not be required for Yak 52 folks as their emergency system
is completely isolated (cannot be charged by the compressor). Is it common
to charge Yak 52 systems with N2? I hope so...
Just a thought...
Jeff
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
No problem and I will throw in a Cuban at OSH :)
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Air bottles
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Jim,
Many thanks for the heads up/correction, I did not check the numbers and am
guilty of assuming that they were correct. You owe me a beer Gus!
What exactly is Boyles law?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Bernier
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Air bottles
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Dave,
When solving for this pressure drop I get 385 psi final pressure. That is
using Doug's 8 liter bottle and Boyles Law. I trust that he is correct. I
assumed that the main tank was empty. That turns out to be 27 atm. I have
started my plane on the amount. The plus side is that you will have over 9
liters of air at that pressure instead of 8, if you leave the bottle
connected. When you empty the tank, then fill it from the paint gun bottle,
try to start it cold. That will be the final test. But here in Dallas it
isn't really cold, ever.
You never know for certain until you try.
Jim B
>>> rvfltd@televar.com 01/03/06 1:10 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Dave,
Remember that 750PSI is 51 atms. While this is just 1 ATM over the
operating pressure I would recommend that you use a bit of caution if your
bottle has not been off and tested recently. If it has been tested
recently, I doubt that you have anything to worry about. The CJ6 tech
manual says that operating pressure is 50 atms (page 104) and that the 8
liter tank should fill in 22 minutes (page 107).
As a group we have been extremely lucky in that we have not had any main air
bottles explode yet (that I know of). I would caution you all to not become
complacent and feel that because we have not had a failure that this is
really not a potentially serious problem. A in-flight failure could have
very serious consequences. If your bottle has not been checked, get it
done, record it in the log book, it's very cheap insurance.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Laird
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
On Jan 3, 2006, at 11:20 AM, Fraser, Gus wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> David,
> Remember that your 3000PSI will 'expand' to 750 psi in the main tank.
> Treat the paintball tank like a capacitor it has a load of charge so
> your small tank should give you a full charge of the 6 ltr bottle in
> the plane.
>
> Gus
>
cool! thanks Gus.... I think I'm going to empty the main air this week and
then go ahead and fill it from the paintball tank to try it out!
Dave
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In a message dated 1/3/2006 7:45:52 AM Central Standard Time,
cpayne@joimail.com writes:
RedStar pilots usually do a good job but seeing it go wrong in slow motion
brings home the importance of timing the break, flying the same line and
maintaining the interval and glideslope angle. Were there any specific aerial
practice maneuvers used in military training to sharpen up the 4-ship break?
Practice, practice, practice...
A few things do contribute to success: briefing and flying a precise speed on
downwind, making sure each aircraft is precisely in line and on altitude on
downwind, starting the base turn precisely abeam the numbers (or at a
prebriefed reference point) using a shorter break interval (most pilots can count
to 2
or 3 pretty well but beyond that we seem to have problems). It also helps to
fly with the same pilots over and over again--we all have a natural, internal
cadence--flying together regularly will help you get "in sync" with one another
and improve your performance.
Mike
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Walt,
Page 107 of the Maint and Tech Specifications for the CJ6 states that the
tank is 8 liters. But now that you mention 12 liters I went to the PT-6
Trainer Aircraft Overhaul Manual for Airframe Accessories and find that it
calls out 12 liters. Who is buying the beer? I'm getting a sinking feeling
that it's me.
But Walt is correct on one point for sure, proceed VERY carefully, you are
dealing with a bomb.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Dave;
The CJ air tanks are 12 liters (main) and 3 liters (emerg). With the main
air valve open both tanks are charged from the external supply (or from the
compressor)
With the main air valve closed only the small emergency tank will be
charged.
Arithmetic gives me a headache but here are some numbers for you that
suggest you treat that 3000 psi bottle with great respect.
1. Don't know the actual size of your paintball tank but lets call it 6" dia
X 24" long. That represents an internal volume of 0.3927 cu. ft.
Into that is packed 72 cu ft of air or 183 tank volumes.
2. One paintball tank volume (0.3927 cu ft) = 11.12 liters
3. Without getting too involved in the arithmetic that means when you
transfer that 3000 psi to the CJ main you would theoretically have slightly
less than 3000 psi in that tank. If your paintball tank volume is less than
my estimate then you will have more than 3000 psi. Theoretically of course
since the CJ tank (and/or most of the aircraft) would have exploded long
before then.
Please be very cautious. You are dealing with a bomb
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Laird" <dave@davelaird.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2006, at 11:20 AM, Fraser, Gus wrote:
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>>
>> David,
>> Remember that your 3000PSI will 'expand' to 750 psi in the main tank.
>> Treat
>> the paintball tank like a capacitor it has a load of charge so your
>> small
>> tank should give you a full charge of the 6 ltr bottle in the plane.
>>
>> Gus
>>
>
> cool! thanks Gus.... I think I'm going to empty the main air this week
> and then go ahead and fill it from the paintball tank to try it out!
>
> Dave
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
Craig,
I'm curious as I have the same symptoms you describe (unable to achieve
Cruise 2 settings) on my Yak-55 and we havent been able to pinpoint the
cause, does/did your prop pass the normal prop tests during the runup. My
prop passes the runup tests just fine but in flight the prop wont pull back
to even the Cruise 1 settings without reducing power and in all honesty the
Nominal 2 setting (70%) is tough to achieve without a power reduction
(reducing MP). Blade angles have been checked and reset, two governors
produced the same results. This metal ring you discuss is a glimmer of
hope.
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Mark Jefferies YAK Uk" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Subject: Yak-List: prop pitch
Craig, I think you will find the one that's least course is for the Yak 50.
Still there are very few of those "rings" about.
Cheers, mj
Time:
04:30:55 AM PST US
From:
"Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Subject:
Prop Parts and Pitch
I'll admit that I'm always learning something new about these
aircraft....no matter
how long I'm around them. Since purchasing a brand new Vperiod B-530
TA six
years ago I have learned lots of *stuff* about it, which parts
interchange
with the CJ prop, what is under the paint on the blades, etc. I have
always known
that the Russian paddle blades came in different blade diameters but
I
had
assumed that everything in the hub was the same between different
versions.
And, I always wondered why I was unable to reduce RPM down to the
Cruise II setting.
Turns out that there are different sizes of that little metal ring
that
is attached to the end of the prop dome piston with those flat cotter
pins. "Duh",
my brain said when I measured the amount of coarse pitch travel that
this
removeable ring limits. Just 1/8" difference in ring thickness makes
a
big difference.
Now, I'm going to get some real economy :>)
Craig Payne
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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THANK YOU GARY!
I have been preaching this for years, but very few would listen to my
rantings. Many expensive trouble shooting sorties could have been prevented
by simply checking the nose gear retract cly first. But the "red herring"
is that there is air escaping from the front cockpit gear valve, and in many
cases convinces the owner/mechanic that the valve QSF-2A ($270.00) is going
bad. Now, understand I just love selling $270.00 valves, but in many
situations it simply will not fix the problem. A full set of nose gear
retract cly seals and felts is only $40.00 if you want to tackle it
yourself, or I now have all the special tools and will overhaul your cly and
Fed Ex it to you for $100.00, or with epoxy primer $115.00. You do the
math.
I will be at ARS this year with a new ultrasonic leak detector, which I
think will find even a very small high pressure leak. These units retail
for about $400.00 for the good one with head phones. If it works as well as
I expect it to it might be a good item to have at all the Yak gatherings on
both coasts and in Nebraska.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 5:57 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: slow airleak
Hi Phil, Gary in LAS here, My CJ for the first seveal years I owned it,
setting with the air valve turned off, would loose no air down stream of the
air valve setting for weeks, then a couple of years ago it started loosing
air pressure on the gauge when it sat with the air valve turned off, the
gauge would read zero, I found out that the leak was because the Nose Gear
Retract Cyl. Seals were slowly leaking the air while the acft sat for a
number of days. Have since overhauled all the retract Cyls. and it can sit
for weeks now and no lose of pressure on the air gauge... this may not be
your problem, just a heads up on the retract cyl. seals....Gary Gabbard
N22YK
-------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: --------------
'83 CJ6A recent slow leak, 6-10 atmos in 3-4days. Suggestions to limit
my
search,thanks, [philipdugan1@msn.com]
Philip,
The first place to look is the main air valve. It could be there or the
line coming off the tank. That line - I believe - is one piece from the
tank to the main air valve.
The valve itself is ordinary steel but the valve seat is aluminum. A
natural for rusted up valve or corrosion on the seat.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Toolbox pictures |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Buzzard Aviation <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
Hi all,
First, a happy new year to you all. May we all fly often, with
tailwinds, clear skies and no unpleasant surprises :-)
I have three "different" Yak toolboxes and probably 70% of the
contents of each. I understand there are photographs of complete
toolkits showing what goes where and would love to get a copy of
these to see if I can create one complete set of tools. Can anyone help?
TIA
Happy Landings
____|____
\O/
o'o Martin Robinson
Auster AOP 9 G-BKVK (WZ662)
Yak 18T HA-YAV
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| Subject: | formation breaks |
Someone asked about formation breaks, well take a look at the following and
you will see and hear "live" the calls on how to do it, simple as that.
Click to watch: Aerostars
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4232720495256192752&q=mark+jefferi
es&pr=goog-sl> in Evora Portugal flying YAK-50 and YAK-52 Mark Jefferies
Description: Portugal airshow in September 1999, Pilots Andy Hammond, Mark
Jefferies, Jeff Stow, Gene Wilson, Fred Basset, Gary Sharp, Mark Levy, Chris
Heames. In cockpit transit flight, airshow flight and general show film.
Try this link for more Aeros but they are not all in YAK's
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=mark+jefferies
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| Subject: | formation breaks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
Hey Mark,
Did see you've sold a 52 to the Netherlands.
Who is the lucky one?
Jerome
>From: "Mark Jefferies YAK Uk" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: "'YAK USA LIST'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Yak-List: formation breaks
>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:24:27 -0000
>
>Someone asked about formation breaks, well take a look at the following and
>you will see and hear "live" the calls on how to do it, simple as that.
>
>Click to watch: Aerostars
><http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4232720495256192752&q=mark+jefferi
>es&pr=goog-sl> in Evora Portugal flying YAK-50 and YAK-52 Mark Jefferies
>
>Description: Portugal airshow in September 1999, Pilots Andy Hammond, Mark
>Jefferies, Jeff Stow, Gene Wilson, Fred Basset, Gary Sharp, Mark Levy,
>Chris
>Heames. In cockpit transit flight, airshow flight and general show film.
>
>Try this link for more Aeros but they are not all in YAK's
>
>http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=mark+jefferies
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
doug sapp wrote:
> What exactly is Boyles law?
P1*V1 = P2*V2
P = pressure
V = volume
For example: if you start with a 1 litre bottle with 100 kg/cm2 and then
let that expand into a 10 litre bottle, the final pressure will be 10
Kg/cm2. This assumes that the temperature and total amount of gas
remains constant.
It is a specific application of the more general formula for the ideal
gas law of:
PV = nRT
where:
P = pressure
V = volume
n = number of moles of a gas (based on Avogadro's constant -- actually
the number of molecules of the gas present in the container)
R = the universal gas law constant (0.0821 liter-atm / mol-K)
T = absolute temperature in degrees Kelvin (0C = 273K)
This latter formula will allow you to do calculations where the
temperature changes or the amount of gas present changes. If you want to
know what temperature will do to the pressure of the gas, you can
calculate it with this formula.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Hey Doug;
We must have different Tech. Specs. manuals. Pg 107 does not mention air
tanks. That is on pg. 109 and shows 12 liters.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Air bottles
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Walt,
> Page 107 of the Maint and Tech Specifications for the CJ6 states that the
> tank is 8 liters. But now that you mention 12 liters I went to the PT-6
> Trainer Aircraft Overhaul Manual for Airframe Accessories and find that it
> calls out 12 liters. Who is buying the beer? I'm getting a sinking
> feeling
> that it's me.
>
> But Walt is correct on one point for sure, proceed VERY carefully, you are
> dealing with a bomb.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 7:53 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> Dave;
>
> The CJ air tanks are 12 liters (main) and 3 liters (emerg). With the main
> air valve open both tanks are charged from the external supply (or from
> the
> compressor)
> With the main air valve closed only the small emergency tank will be
> charged.
>
> Arithmetic gives me a headache but here are some numbers for you that
> suggest you treat that 3000 psi bottle with great respect.
>
> 1. Don't know the actual size of your paintball tank but lets call it 6"
> dia
> X 24" long. That represents an internal volume of 0.3927 cu. ft.
> Into that is packed 72 cu ft of air or 183 tank volumes.
>
> 2. One paintball tank volume (0.3927 cu ft) = 11.12 liters
>
> 3. Without getting too involved in the arithmetic that means when you
> transfer that 3000 psi to the CJ main you would theoretically have
> slightly
> less than 3000 psi in that tank. If your paintball tank volume is less
> than
> my estimate then you will have more than 3000 psi. Theoretically of course
> since the CJ tank (and/or most of the aircraft) would have exploded long
> before then.
>
> Please be very cautious. You are dealing with a bomb
>
> Walt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Laird" <dave@davelaird.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2006, at 11:20 AM, Fraser, Gus wrote:
>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>>>
>>> David,
>>> Remember that your 3000PSI will 'expand' to 750 psi in the main tank.
>>> Treat
>>> the paintball tank like a capacitor it has a load of charge so your
>>> small
>>> tank should give you a full charge of the 6 ltr bottle in the plane.
>>>
>>> Gus
>>>
>>
>> cool! thanks Gus.... I think I'm going to empty the main air this week
>> and then go ahead and fill it from the paintball tank to try it out!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
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>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
The "metal ring" is the factory adjustable coarse pitch stop on all V530
type propellors.
I do not believe it is the cause of the symptoms described.
In my opinion the cause is the low RPM limit stop screw assembly attached
to the prop. governor.
The governor set-up procedure described in the M14P manual is absolutely
correct and is identical to the procedure in the Hamiliton Standard manual
for their operationally identical equipment.
However, it is quite impossible to set up in accordance with the manual due
to the existance of the RPM adjustable stop assy. attached to the governor.
The only way that could be accomplished is to cut the low RPM stop off of
the assy. to allow the governor full travel to the low RPM position. This
stop screw is worse than redundant. The correct low RPM stop assy. is
contained in the governor head and is set up at governor overhaul. You
cannot just remove the whole assy., the high RPM stop is necessary.
With that external stop in place the governor is limiting the blade pitch to
a value less than would be allowed by the PROPELLOR coarse pitch stop (the
magic ring) so removing or reducing this will have no effect whatever in
normal ooperation. Removing or substantially reducing the ring would not be
noticed until a failure causing loss of governor oil pressure allowed the
blades to go to an angle too high for the engine to handle. Don't mess with
the ring.
The Chinese use the same totally unnecessary stop screw but revise the
manual procedure to accomodate it with no regard to the fact that their
procedure is quite wrong.
Walt
--- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: prop pitch
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
Craig,
I'm curious as I have the same symptoms you describe (unable to achieve
Cruise 2 settings) on my Yak-55 and we havent been able to pinpoint the
cause, does/did your prop pass the normal prop tests during the runup. My
prop passes the runup tests just fine but in flight the prop wont pull back
to even the Cruise 1 settings without reducing power and in all honesty the
Nominal 2 setting (70%) is tough to achieve without a power reduction
(reducing MP). Blade angles have been checked and reset, two governors
produced the same results. This metal ring you discuss is a glimmer of
hope.
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Mark Jefferies YAK Uk" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Subject: Yak-List: prop pitch
Craig, I think you will find the one that's least course is for the Yak 50.
Still there are very few of those "rings" about.
Cheers, mj
Time:
04:30:55 AM PST US
From:
"Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Subject:
Prop Parts and Pitch
I'll admit that I'm always learning something new about these
aircraft....no matter
how long I'm around them. Since purchasing a brand new Vperiod B-530
TA six
years ago I have learned lots of *stuff* about it, which parts
interchange
with the CJ prop, what is under the paint on the blades, etc. I have
always known
that the Russian paddle blades came in different blade diameters but
I
had
assumed that everything in the hub was the same between different
versions.
And, I always wondered why I was unable to reduce RPM down to the
Cruise II setting.
Turns out that there are different sizes of that little metal ring
that
is attached to the end of the prop dome piston with those flat cotter
pins. "Duh",
my brain said when I measured the amount of coarse pitch travel that
this
removeable ring limits. Just 1/8" difference in ring thickness makes
a
big difference.
Now, I'm going to get some real economy :>)
Craig Payne
http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
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Gentlemen:
A fiend of mine, here at Spruce Creek, is seriously considering buying a
Yak-52.
His name is William Gantt. Will is a Southwest pilot and has been involved
with competitive competition for years. He asked me to inquire from our
members who may have had aerobatic experience in their Yaks to please get in
touch with him.
His E-mail address is _wgantt@cfl.rr.com_ (mailto:wgantt@cfl.rr.com)
Thanks in advance!
Ray Gage
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
Time for the semi-annual FOD check.
Flashlight and mirror and eyeballs in the hellhole.
Who gets the prize for the most atrocious piece of FOD they discover?
Tj
---------------------------
Thomas Johnson
Airpower Insurance, LLC
36 West Ocotillo Road
Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
Tel: 602-628-2701
Fax: 623-321-5843
E: tomjohnson@cox.net
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| Subject: | Annual Inspection Checklist |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
Does anybody have an annual inspection checklist for Yak or CJ they could
email me?
Prefer as a Word Document.
tomjohnson@cox.net
---------------------------
Thomas Johnson
Airpower Insurance, LLC
36 West Ocotillo Road
Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
Tel: 602-628-2701
Fax: 623-321-5843
E: tomjohnson@cox.net
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On Jan 4, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Tom Johnson wrote:
> Who gets the prize for the most atrocious piece of FOD they discover?
Not sure this worthy of a prize, but right now searching for a nob
off my transponder that came floating by my head mid loop the other day.
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Inspection Checklist |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Tom,
I have the YAK-52 maintance manuel. It has the required inspection items for 100hrs,
200 hrs ect.
Ask Dennis Savarese...He has something he follows from his Maintance course.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Johnson <tomjohnson@cox.net>
>Sent: Jan 4, 2006 2:45 PM
>To: "Yak-List@Matronics. Com" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Yak-List: Annual Inspection Checklist
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
>
>Does anybody have an annual inspection checklist for Yak or CJ they could
>email me?
>
>Prefer as a Word Document.
>tomjohnson@cox.net
>
>
>---------------------------
>Thomas Johnson
>Airpower Insurance, LLC
>36 West Ocotillo Road
>Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
>Tel: 602-628-2701
>Fax: 623-321-5843
>E: tomjohnson@cox.net
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I am not sure this qualifies as FOD... but....
I purchased my YAK-50 in 1999, and soon afterwards was happily learning the
capabilities of my new airplane. The one thing that bothered me was that I
had a really hard time holding the aircraft from entering a spin when
performing simple high angle of attack slow flight. The aircraft would
BREAK very quickly and enter a spin. I could not "walk it around" using
rudder like I could every other aircraft I had every flown. I attributed
this to it being a "hot aircraft" and thought no more about it, other than
to watch my butt during slow flight.
Working into the spin regimes, the airplane kept doing things that were
unexpected and sometimes pretty darn violent. Still the light did not go
off in my head.
A year later, while working on a tail-wheel shimmy problem, I found a 15
POUND LEAD WEIGHT mounted in the tail of the aircraft where it was
impossible to see unless you removed the fairings on the elevator. This
weight was actually MOUNTED with bolts in the aircraft so thus it does not
really qualify as FOD in my mind.... Never-the-less, there was no log book
entry for this "modification", and no apparent reason for it, other than it
is well known that with an aft CG, an aircraft will SNAP much better than
with a forward CG. I can only imagine this was what some one had in mind.
Removing this "item" from my aircraft resulted in a dramatic change in how
it flew, making it much more normal and predictable as you can imagine. I
never did do the math on how far out my CG was... but it had to be so much
that I really don't want to ever know about it anyway.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Johnson [mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net]
Subject: Yak-List: FOD CHECK~!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
Time for the semi-annual FOD check.
Flashlight and mirror and eyeballs in the hellhole.
Who gets the prize for the most atrocious piece of FOD they discover?
Tj
---------------------------
Thomas Johnson
Airpower Insurance, LLC
36 West Ocotillo Road
Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
Tel: 602-628-2701
Fax: 623-321-5843
E: tomjohnson@cox.net
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YAKKERS
I use a local fire extinguisher company, they test and certify according to the
CJ specs., label and date the bottles.
Joe
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Excuse me Tim, but I have to disagree. There is simply nothing in the world
wrong with carrying a gun in the United States of America, although I do
recommend that everyone should take the time to obtain a Concealed Carry
Permit (CCW). The more law abiding people that go armed in this country,
the more you will see violent crime decrease on our streets, and this is a
proven statistic based on EVERY SINGLE STATE that has passed "shall issue"
concealed carry laws. It is simply irrefutable and by the way... really
tends to upset anti-gun folks.
That said, whether carrying a weapon legally either concealed or in the
open, go to: www.packing.org to find out ALL the scoop about what every
state has to say about it. I used to have carry permits from a whole slew
of states, now-a-days most states honor the permits from others. For
example, I have a North Carolina Concealed Carry Permit, and there are only
17 states in CONUS that do NOT have complete reciprocity with North
Carolina. If you examine the laws even further, you will find that even in
the states where there is no reciprocity, they often will have "Friendly
Travel laws" that allow you to have the weapon in baggage.
I have ferried aircraft across this country, and have crossed some really
desolate places where I felt a lot better carrying a weapon. In fact, I even
carry one going from North Carolina to Florida! When I ferried a YAK-50 to
California, all I had to do when I landed in California was to take my .45
Kimber, unload it, put it into a locked box, and carry it right into the San
Diego airport and declare it to the desk agent at the airlines. She had me
open it, make sure it was unloaded, locked it back up again, sealed it, and
then I carried it right over to the TSA folks and away it went. No problem
what-so-ever.
Instead of buying a replacement survival "radio" for the vest, I would
instead recommend that a person upgrade the vest in the same way the
military is doing, or as close as possible that is! Purchase one of the new
model survival radio BEACONS, that includes a built in GPS. These handheld
units are registered to you by name and not only broadcast on 121.5 for DF
purposes, but also on 406 Mhz with GPS location data, along with a "digital
I.D." telling just who it is that is sending the distress call. They are a
little "pricey", but how much is your life worth?
Sorry for the strong response on the gun issue, but after spending 35 years
(and counting)defending our Constitution, I believe people should not be
afraid to exercise the rights it guarantees, otherwise... what's the point?
I realize too that others may not agree and would rather avoid a possible
hassle no matter what.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
p.s. As an amusing anecdote, I'd like to mention that I have not had one
single person ever question me when walking into an FBO with a holstered .45
strapped to my belt after climbing out of my YAK-50. In fact, I usually get
faster line service! Typically though, I suggest just keeping it legally
concealed, and if you do that right, you will NEVER get hassled because no
one is EVER going to KNOW!
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Gagnon [mailto:NiftyYak50@msn.com]
Subject: Yak-List: Survival Vest
--> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
I would say that only the 9mm will cause you some issues. Every state has
laws regarding a the carrying of a gun. In Ohio, you can after you have
taken the required training and been authorized to carry a concealed (or
not) weapon. Some states simply do not allow it. I would leave the pistol at
home.
By the way, you can find the radio if you look hard enough. The USAF
recently switched to newer radios and may be looking to dump the old ones.
Check the DRMO or Ebay for one.
Tim
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
Don't worry Mark, I agree with ya. Really, I do! And if anybody disagrees
well then we'll just have to shoot em' : )
Frank
-----Original Message-----
Excuse me Tim, but I have to disagree. There is simply nothing in the
world wrong with carrying a gun in the United States of America,
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Mark,
If you took my reply to the survival vest thread as anti-gun, that was not
my intent. My point was that if someone chose to carry a weapon with them
while they transient multiple states, they may want consider the laws
pertaining to each state as to carry a weapon. It may end up not being worth
the hassle. You also may run into a not so friendly law enforcement officer
that would have no problem liberating the weapon. Just a thought.
This has NOTHING to do with Yaks but...
I have no problem with Joe Public carrying a weapon as long as that person
has been trained in the use of that weapon. Me, I will be pursuing a permit
this spring and also hope to attend the Federal Flight Deck Officer program
in the late summer. It is taught mostly by former SpecOps and Federal Agency
types. You are issued a weapon (an HK USP Sub Compact .40) and tested every
six months. The training is rigorous and the testing compares with other
federal law enforcement agencies.
Happy New Year.
Tim
If I can be of assistance with some life support issues, I will. We have a
great shop (best in the biz) and they are more than happy to help.
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Mark,
I'm on your side of the fence on this one. I have to make deposites for my office.
I would not dream of walking up to night teller window without an exposed
weapon. Not the crowd that generally roams around these days. I alter the banks
I go to so as not set up a pattern as well as alter routes to and from, and
alter the times as best as possible.
I have a concealed weapon permit. I agree if I'm going X/C over unfamilar terittory
that is desolate, I will have a weapon. May even look for a way to put my
turkey shotgun in aircraft. Never felt uncomfortable about just flying with my
Browning 9mm though.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Survival Vest
Excuse me Tim, but I have to disagree. There is simply nothing in the world wrong
with carrying a gun in the United States of America, although I do recommend
that everyone should take the time to obtain a Concealed Carry Permit (CCW).
The more law abiding people that go armed in this country, the more you will
see violent crime decrease on our streets, and this is a proven statistic based
on EVERY SINGLE STATE that has passed "shall issue" concealed carry laws.
It is simply irrefutable and by the way... really tends to upset anti-gun folks.
That said, whether carrying a weapon legally either concealed or in the open, go to: www.packing.org to find out ALL the scoop about what every state has to say about it. I used to have carry permits from a whole slew of states, now-a-days most states honor the permits from others. For example, I have a North Carolina Concealed Carry Permit, and there are only 17 states in CONUS that do NOT have complete reciprocity with North Carolina. If you examine the laws even further, you will find that even in the states where there is no reciprocity, they often will have "Friendly Travel laws" that allow you to have the weapon in baggage.
I have ferried aircraft across this country, and have crossed some really desolate
places where I felt a lot better carrying a weapon. In fact, I even carry
one going from North Carolina to Florida! When I ferried a YAK-50 to California,
all I had to do when I landed in California was to take my .45 Kimber, unload
it, put it into a locked box, and carry it right into the San Diego airport
and declare it to the desk agent at the airlines. She had me open it, make sure
it was unloaded, locked it back up again, sealed it, and then I carried it
right over to the TSA folks and away it went. No problem what-so-ever.
Instead of buying a replacement survival "radio" for the vest, I would instead
recommend that a person upgrade the vest in the same way the military is doing,
or as close as possible that is! Purchase one of the new model survival radio
BEACONS, that includes a built in GPS. These handheld units are registered
to you by name and not only broadcast on 121.5 for DF purposes, but also on 406
Mhz with GPS location data, along with a "digital I.D." telling just who it
is that is sending the distress call. They are a little "pricey", but how much
is your life worth?
Sorry for the strong response on the gun issue, but after spending 35 years (and
counting)defending our Constitution, I believe people should not be afraid to
exercise the rights it guarantees, otherwise... what's the point? I realize
too that others may not agree and would rather avoid a possible hassle no matter
what.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
p.s. As an amusing anecdote, I'd like to mention that I have not had one single
person ever question me when walking into an FBO with a holstered .45 strapped
to my belt after climbing out of my YAK-50. In fact, I usually get faster line
service! Typically though, I suggest just keeping it legally concealed, and
if you do that right, you will NEVER get hassled because no one is EVER going
to KNOW!
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Gagnon [mailto:NiftyYak50@msn.com]
Subject: Yak-List: Survival Vest
--> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
I would say that only the 9mm will cause you some issues. Every state has
laws regarding a the carrying of a gun. In Ohio, you can after you have
taken the required training and been authorized to carry a concealed (or
not) weapon. Some states simply do not allow it. I would leave the pistol at
home.
By the way, you can find the radio if you look hard enough. The USAF
recently switched to newer radios and may be looking to dump the old ones.
Check the DRMO or Ebay for one.
Tim
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No Tim, honestly I did not take your reply as "Anti-Gun". I would find it
hard to believe that anyone with military experience would ever have that
view, and I know you have a lot of time in the Air Force, so I never even
thought that for an instant.
I am also sure that you are correct in that there are a number of "not so
bright" law enforcement types that could indeed make your life miserable
should they so choose. The fact is, I ran into one just like that once!
(But never in an airplane) I say a prayer that such officers are a very
small minority, and to date that has seemed to be the case.
I guess the only point I was trying to make was that even if there is the
possibility of a hassle.... I believe that those of us in this country that
accept the responsibility of carrying a firearm (which is soon to be you
too) need to do so whenever possible. To exercise your rights or privileges
in a responsible manner is to me... a way of making sure you will keep them
and keep acting responsibly when doing so.
Carrying a gun indeed has little to do with flying.... but carrying it WHILE
flying I do think qualifies as a reasonable subject for discussion even on
the YAK list. If someone chews my butt and disagrees, I'll respect that
too! Regardless, I thought it worth talking about and discussing at least
once.
I applaud your obtaining a CCW permit, and most especially in taking the
time to attend and to qualify for a Federal Flight Deck Officer endorsement!
We need as many good people/Aircrew as we can to do this and it is a program
that has long been overdue. Good Luck!
Happy Holidays,
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Gagnon [mailto:NiftyYak50@msn.com]
Subject: Yak-List: Survival Vest
--> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Mark,
If you took my reply to the survival vest thread as anti-gun, that was not
my intent. My point was that if someone chose to carry a weapon with them
while they transient multiple states, they may want consider the laws
pertaining to each state as to carry a weapon. It may end up not being worth
the hassle. You also may run into a not so friendly law enforcement officer
that would have no problem liberating the weapon. Just a thought.
This has NOTHING to do with Yaks but...
I have no problem with Joe Public carrying a weapon as long as that person
has been trained in the use of that weapon. Me, I will be pursuing a permit
this spring and also hope to attend the Federal Flight Deck Officer program
in the late summer. It is taught mostly by former SpecOps and Federal Agency
types. You are issued a weapon (an HK USP Sub Compact .40) and tested every
six months. The training is rigorous and the testing compares with other
federal law enforcement agencies.
Happy New Year.
Tim
If I can be of assistance with some life support issues, I will. We have a
great shop (best in the biz) and they are more than happy to help.
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DO NOT ARCHIVE
No Frank.... if we shoot them it will make guns look bad. Too many people
think that guns are evil anyway... except those people in England, Canada
and Australia... who have seen around a 600% increase in violent crime since
(most if not all) firearms were made illegal.
Never-the-less, if anyone disagrees we need to kill them with a weapon
without the evil reputation that guns have. Say a CHAINSAW for instance...
heck, they might even make a movie about it. The YAK LIST CHAINSAW
MASSACRE.
Has kind of a nice ring to it......
mgb
p.s. Sorry... this was probably over the top.
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Haertlein [mailto:yak52driver@earthlink.net]
Subject: Yak-List: Survival Vest
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Don't worry Mark, I agree with ya. Really, I do! And if anybody disagrees
well then we'll just have to shoot em' : )
Frank
-----Original Message-----
Excuse me Tim, but I have to disagree. There is simply nothing in the
world wrong with carrying a gun in the United States of America,
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Tom,
I have an 18 page comprehensive Yak inspection guide that I sell for $30.
It is a Word document on CD. Let me know if you want it.
Happy new year,
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Annual Inspection Checklist
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
>
> Does anybody have an annual inspection checklist for Yak or CJ they could
> email me?
>
> Prefer as a Word Document.
> tomjohnson@cox.net
>
>
> ---------------------------
> Thomas Johnson
> Airpower Insurance, LLC
> 36 West Ocotillo Road
> Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
> Tel: 602-628-2701
> Fax: 623-321-5843
> E: tomjohnson@cox.net
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Bitterlich GS11 Mark G wrote:
> No Tim, honestly I did not take your reply as "Anti-Gun". I would find
> it hard to believe that anyone with military experience would ever have
> that view, and I know you have a lot of time in the Air Force, so I
> never even thought that for an instant.
>
> I am also sure that you are correct in that there are a number of "not
> so bright" law enforcement types that could indeed make your life
> miserable should they so choose. The fact is, I ran into one just like
> that once! (But never in an airplane) I say a prayer that such officers
> are a very small minority, and to date that has seemed to be the case.
I unfortunately experienced that with the boys from Customs/DHS at Ft.
Lauderdale Hollywood airport. I had my 1911A1 with me as I was on my way
to a class in NV when one of them looked at my gun case and asked very
pointedly asked if I had a firearm and, if so, why I did not declare my
firearm (my own airplane). I tried to point out that, based on the
Firearm Owner's Protection Act of 1986, I was in transit from a place
where my weapon was legal (USVI) to a place where my firearm was legal
(Nevada) and therefore was within the law. I also pointed out that the
standard customs paperwork had no place to declare a firearm. It went
down hill from there with the customs boys calling both the FAA and BATF
trying to figure out what law I had broken. It was ugly. They held me
for two hours, the longest they can hold you without arresting you,
before turning me out with a warning that they would be annotating my
record and that they would be watching me more closely in the future.
(No lie!)
Oh, and they tried to get me for not having a permit in FL. (I didn't
have my FL CCW then as I was on my way to take the class to get that!)
Oh, and they tried to get me for stealing government property as my
1911A1 said "property of the US Government" on it. It was my father's
sidearm from WW-II.
> I guess the only point I was trying to make was that even if there is
> the possibility of a hassle.... I believe that those of us in this
> country that accept the responsibility of carrying a firearm (which is
> soon to be you too) need to do so whenever possible. To exercise your
> rights or privileges in a responsible manner is to me... a way of making
> sure you will keep them and keep acting responsibly when doing so.
I agree and it sure sounds good. Still, there are many law-enforcement
personnel who are clueless as to the firearm laws in the US. This should
not come as a surprise as regulation of firearms tends to be more of a
function of state law than federal and with conflicting state laws to boot.
> Carrying a gun indeed has little to do with flying.... but carrying it
> WHILE flying I do think qualifies as a reasonable subject for discussion
> even on the YAK list. If someone chews my butt and disagrees, I'll
> respect that too! Regardless, I thought it worth talking about and
> discussing at least once.
I agree. I carry a firearm on many flights, especially when flying a
single-engine aircraft across parts of the country that are less than
hospitable should I be forced to land. This comes under normal aircraft
survival equipment in my book.
(It may be big and clunky but as handguns go, I just like the 1911A1. If
I am ever forced to shoot someone I want them to stay shot. I think that
the .45acp round will do a better job of that than the 9mm Luger round.
And I wouldn't expect even a .45acp round to have much effect on an
angry bear. YMMV.)
> I applaud your obtaining a CCW permit, and most especially in taking the
> time to attend and to qualify for a Federal Flight Deck Officer
> endorsement! We need as many good people/Aircrew as we can to do this
> and it is a program that has long been overdue. Good Luck!
I agree. The current administration fought this tooth and nail. Now that
you have the opportunity to carry in the cockpit, you should. And you
should get good training to go with it. Frankly, the best defensive
firearm training I have encountered is at Front Sight near Las Vegas. I
recommend it highly.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
Gang,
I'm pleased to say that 2 CJ's were offloaded from the container at
Chino this evening with no dings, dents, damage or blood! ;) It was
dark when we were finished, but I'm impressed beyond expectation with
these aircraft. Hundreds of new and IRAN'd parts, each and every one
clearly documented, right down to bolts and screws. The workmanship on
the stainless firewalls is better than I had hoped for. Frankly, after
4 years and I don't want to tell you how much money on my CJ, I'm
really jealous of these airplanes! I'll have pictures on our web site
(www.cj6.com) shortly. As a guys aside, it was also one impressive rig
that delivered the container and unloaded the planes.
Journey complete, now the transformation from Chinese stock to US
refinement begins.
If you'd like more info on these airplanes, visit our web site and/or
contact me directly at bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com.
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
President
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
1-866-L39-JETS
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
www.sharedsquadrons.com
www.cj6.com
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