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1. 03:27 AM - Re: ELECTRONIC MAGS (Frank Haertlein)
2. 04:53 AM - AYS-bound (Jeff Linebaugh)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: AYS-bound (Roger Kemp)
4. 05:37 AM - Re: AYS-bound (David McGirt)
5. 05:40 AM - Re: AYS-bound (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 06:08 AM - Re: AYS-bound (Stephen Fox)
7. 07:23 AM - Re: ELECTRONIC MAGS (Fraser, Gus)
8. 08:43 AM - Re: matronics (Fraser, Gus)
9. 09:48 AM - Re: AYS-bound (Roger Kemp)
10. 09:54 AM - Re: AYS-bound (Roger Kemp)
11. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: AYS-bound (Craig Payne)
12. 01:10 PM - Re: Re: Re: AYS-bound (Roger Kemp)
13. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Re: AYS-bound (Brian Lloyd)
14. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: Re: AYS-bound (cjpilot710@aol.com)
15. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Re: AYS-bound (Brian Lloyd)
16. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Re: AYS-bound (Roger Kemp)
17. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: Re: AYS-bound (Roger Kemp)
18. 02:49 PM - FL180 (Craig Payne)
19. 02:56 PM - Very Short U-2 Story (Fraser, Gus)
20. 03:08 PM - Re: Very Short U-2 Story (JAmund1009@aol.com)
21. 03:58 PM - Re: Very Short U-2 Story (cjpilot710@aol.com)
22. 05:15 PM - Re: FL180 (Roger Kemp)
23. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: Re: AYS-bound (Brian Lloyd)
24. 06:22 PM - Re: Very Short U-2 Story (Brian Lloyd)
25. 06:29 PM - Re: Very Short U-2 Story (Ron Davis)
26. 06:31 PM - Re: Best regs in the world (Ron Davis)
27. 06:36 PM - Re: FAA & Warbirds, (Ron Davis)
28. 06:39 PM - Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS (Ron Davis)
29. 07:12 PM - Re: Very Short U-2 Story (Terry Lewis)
30. 07:16 PM - Re: FAA & Warbirds, (cjpilot710@aol.com)
31. 07:18 PM - Re: Very Short U-2 Story (cjpilot710@aol.com)
32. 07:52 PM - Re: Best regs in the world (Walter Lannon)
33. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Re: AYS-bound (Roger Kemp)
34. 07:57 PM - Re: Very Short U-2 Story (Terry Lewis)
35. 08:33 PM - March Fly-IN (Mark Sorenson)
36. 09:51 PM - decompression sickness and narcosis (was: AYS-bound) (Brian Lloyd)
37. 10:08 PM - Re: Best regs in the world (N13472@aol.com)
38. 10:18 PM - Re: decompression sickness and narcosis (was: AYS-bound) (Brian Lloyd)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:12 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: ELECTRONIC MAGS
Frank,
I have a mag that needs a coil. The overall workings of the mag is fine with
exception of a trashed coil.
Contact me off list if you still want it.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Haertlein <mailto:yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Sent: 1/16/2006 7:29:22 PM
Subject: Yak-List: ELECTRONIC MAGS
YAKKERS
Somebody recently said they were going to try and develop an electronic
ignition system for the M14.
Well, I gave that some thought and have come up with a circuit design that
will work.
What I need is a trashed mag that I can retrofit. Anyone got one laying
around the hangar?
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
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Yakers going to Waycross...
I am looking to leave Memphis at noon on Thursday. Anybody want to link up?
Form X/C much more fun than solo...
Also...weather looks 50/50 at best for me getting back on Sunday...what's
everybody's take on the weather?
Linedog
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Linedogg,
You are correct on the weather for Sunday. There as you know is another front pushing
in after this one today.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Linebaugh
Sent: 1/17/2006 6:49:47 AM
Subject: Yak-List: AYS-bound
Yakers going to Waycross...
I am looking to leave Memphis at noon on Thursday. Anybody want to link up? Form
X/C much more fun than solo...
Also...weather looks 50/50 at best for me getting back on Sunday...what's everybody's
take on the weather?
Linedog
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There is a group of us meeting up in LaGrange, GA around noon on
Thursday, then flying down together.. Tim Williams, Robert Langford,
BJ, Bill Walker, and a few more I think... You are welcome to crash
the party.. self-serve gas there too..
David McGirt
Yak 52 TW
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: AYS-bound
Yakers going to Waycross...
I am looking to leave Memphis at noon on Thursday. Anybody want to link up?
Form X/C much more fun than solo...
Also...weather looks 50/50 at best for me getting back on Sunday...what's
everybody's take on the weather?
Linedog
<http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=409&lang=9>
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Looks like this front that's coming though AL today will be out of the AYS
area by Wed. afternoon. Saturday at AYS may be a wash-out due to a low out
near the Rockies. We'll be near the center of that low, midday Saturday,
between a warm front to our east and a cold front to our west. IF its a slow
mover, Sunday will be iffy particularly anyone heading NE.
Chief Prognosticator Jim "Pappy" Goolsby :-/
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On Jan 17, 2006, at 8:37 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> Looks like this front that's coming though AL today will be out of
> the AYS area by Wed. afternoon. Saturday at AYS may be a wash-out
> due to a low out near the Rockies. We'll be near the center of
> that low, midday Saturday, between a warm front to our east and a
> cold front to our west. IF its a slow mover, Sunday will be iffy
> particularly anyone heading NE.
>
> Chief Prognosticator Jim "Pappy" Goolsby :-/
It's Sunday's WX that's messing me up since I have to be in NY on
Monday AM. So if this pattern holds sadly AYS may be a no go this year.
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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Didn't someone say on the list recently that they had a CJ engine that
broke a connecting rod, post hydro lock ?
Oh and it landed in a field :)))
Gus
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:29 PM
Subject: Yak-List: ELECTRONIC MAGS
YAKKERS
Somebody recently said they were going to try and develop an electronic
ignition system for the M14.
Well, I gave that some thought and have come up with a circuit design that
will work.
What I need is a trashed mag that I can retrofit. Anyone got one laying
around the hangar?
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
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<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Didn't someone say on the list recently that they had a CJ
engine that broke a connecting rod, post hydro lock ?
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color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Oh and it landed in a field :)))
<FONT face=Arial
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<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Haertlein
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:29 PM
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: ELECTRONIC
MAGS
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>YAKKERS
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Somebody recently said they were going to try and develop an
electronic ignition system for the M14.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Well, I gave that some thought and have come up with a circuit
design that will work.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>What I need is a trashed mag that I can retrofit. Anyone got one
laying around the hangar?
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Frank
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>N9110M
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>YAK-52
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Cc: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
To post to the list just send to yak-list@matronics.com
<mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
and you should be fine. As for the manuals, sorry CJs are not my area of
expertise, sorry
Gus
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From: Jim Bowerman [mailto:jbowerman@fastspot.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: matronics
I subscribed through the Matronics page in what I presumed was a normal
manner. I am receiving the emails and have been since subscribing.
Thank you for your help. I do have one question for you in case I am not
able to send it to the group: Is there an English language maintenance
manual available for the CJ6?
Jim
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From: Fraser, Gus [mailto:gus.fraser@gs.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: matronics
Hi Jim,
How did you subscribe ? I know that Matt has a blocking program to stop spam
mail maybe you got blocked there. I have taken your email list and
subscribed it for you via the subscription page let me know if you get the
email for that.
That is about all I can do as it's not my site, hope it helps
Gus
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From: Jim Bowerman [mailto:jbowerman@fastspot.net]
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:25 PM
Subject: matronics
Gus,
I have been trying to send an email to the Yak forum since rejoining a few
weeks back, but keep getting rejects. Can you help?
Thanks,
Jim Bowerman
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<FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>To post to the list just send to <A
">yak-list@matronics.com
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>
<FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>and you should be fine. As for the manuals, sorry CJs
are
not my area of expertise, sorry
<FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>
<FONT face=3DArial
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Gus
From: Jim Bowerman
[mailto:jbowerman@fastspot.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006
10:46 AM
Subject: RE:
matronics
<SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I subscribed through
the Matronics page in what I presumed was a normal manner. I am
receiving the emails and have been since
subscribing.
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<SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thank you for your
help. I do have one question for you in case I am not able to send it to
the group: Is there an English language maintenance manual available for
the CJ6?
<SPAN
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<SPAN
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Gus [mailto:gus.fraser@gs.com]
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AM
Bowerman'
Subject: RE:
matronics
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<SPAN
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? I know that Matt has a blocking program to stop spam mail maybe you got
blocked there. I have taken your email list and subscribed it for you via the
subscription page let me know if you get the email for
that.
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<SPAN
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I
can do as it's not my site, hope it helps
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w:st=3D"on">jbowerman@fastspot.net</st1:PersonName>]
<SPAN
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Gus
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matronics
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<SPAN
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Guys,
We are in the southeastern winter 3 day front cycle now. What ever is happening
on the west coast today will be here is 3 days. This front that is pushing thru
Montgomery today will pass AYS tomorrow. Should have reasonable weather Fri
and Sat/Sun become iffy. Pappy's right.
My Guard drill days were moved from the first weekend in Jan to 21-22. It is a
manadatory weekend also so I can't miss. So I'm a bust for AYS this year.
But all should start thinking of Red Air Fall Fling II in Oct! Probably the name
will change to Red Air Oktoberfeast! Since we have so many Oct babies in the
southeastern RPA membership. I know, got to get past S&F and OSH first. There's
rumbings of a May Feast but the details are still iffy right now.
Really should think of moving AYS back to Mar or latter Feb. The weather is still
iffy even then. I know it is getting close to S&F with wanting to get some
of the students carded.
Good luck with AYS this year,
Dogmatic Viperdoc
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Fox
Sent: 1/17/2006 8:07:58 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: AYS-bound
On Jan 17, 2006, at 8:37 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
Looks like this front that's coming though AL today will be out of the AYS area
by Wed. afternoon. Saturday at AYS may be a wash-out due to a low out near the
Rockies. We'll be near the center of that low, midday Saturday, between
a warm front to our east and a cold front to our west. IF its a slow mover, Sunday
will be iffy particularly anyone heading NE.
Chief Prognosticator Jim "Pappy" Goolsby :-/
It's Sunday's WX that's messing me up since I have to be in NY on Monday AM. So
if this pattern holds sadly AYS may be a no go this year.
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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Talon,
You out to have your fill of close by the time you get to AYS from LaGrange! Between
Linedogg and Mongoose, you ought to have your 4 ship knocked out along with
your 2 ship element rejoins and wing work. Just need your form TO and you'll
be there!
Ain't like rout'n in the weeds with a Hornet though!
Dogmatic Viperdoc
----- Original Message -----
From: David McGirt
Sent: 1/17/2006 7:34:16 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: AYS-bound
There is a group of us meeting up in LaGrange, GA around noon on
Thursday, then flying down together.. Tim Williams, Robert Langford,
BJ, Bill Walker, and a few more I think... You are welcome to crash
the party.. self-serve gas there too..
David McGirt
Yak 52 TW
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 7:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: AYS-bound
Yakers going to Waycross...
I am looking to leave Memphis at noon on Thursday. Anybody want to link up? Form
X/C much more fun than solo...
Also...weather looks 50/50 at best for me getting back on Sunday...what's everybody's
take on the weather?
Linedog
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| Subject: | Re: Re: AYS-bound |
Steve wrote:
>It's Sunday's WX that's messing me up since I have to be in NY on
>Monday AM. So if this pattern holds sadly AYS may be a no go this year.
>
>Steve "SOB" Fox
>
Now here's a case where a Yakker needs a CJ...one of those super CJ's with M-14PF,
long range fuel and full glass. Just file for FL180 and depart with de-ice
on, auto-pilot engaged , and oxygen mask at the ready :>)
Craig Payne
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Craig,
You really do not want to start this. I know a YAK-52 driver that you meet at Red
Air who has had his stock 52 at FL200. As a matter of fact you meet Weasle
when we operated out of his hanger. Yep, all you need is extended range tanks.
Fuel is an issue at this time. Can opt for the back seat ferry tank (strapped
in), the centerline that Stu has, tip tanks from Termikus, or the two wing tanks
on pylons from Dennis.
Fights on. Again!
Dogmatic Viperdoc
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
Sent: 1/17/2006 2:22:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Re: AYS-bound
Steve wrote:
>It's Sunday's WX that's messing me up since I have to be in NY on
>Monday AM. So if this pattern holds sadly AYS may be a no go this year.
>
>Steve "SOB" Fox
>
Now here's a case where a Yakker needs a CJ...one of those super CJ's with M-14PF,
long range fuel and full glass. Just file for FL180 and depart with de-ice
on, auto-pilot engaged , and oxygen mask at the ready :>)
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Roger Kemp wrote:
> You really do not want to start this. I know a YAK-52 driver that you
> meet at Red Air who has had his stock 52 at FL200. As a matter of fact
> you meet Weasle when we operated out of his hanger. Yep, all you need is
> extended range tanks. Fuel is an issue at this time. Can opt for the
> back seat ferry tank (strapped in), the centerline that Stu has, tip
> tanks from Termikus, or the two wing tanks on pylons from Dennis.
> Fights on. Again!
> Dogmatic Viperdoc
Yo Dog! (I like that.)
I took my CJ with the Huosai to 180 doing time-to-climb testing. (I did
it twice.) No problem. Lots of climb left but I didn't want to file IFR
to keep going plus the nasal canulas are not certified for ops above 180.
I would expect a Yak-52 to be able to go to 200. HP=climb. I would
expect the CJ to go higher on the same engine tho'. Better aerodynamics
and a higher aspect ratio wing should make a difference up there.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Ever see those high altitude WW2 gun camera films? The P-51s with the
slightly higher aspect wing was turning in side those 109s &190s. No steep angles
of bank up there. Makes me think that once again the CJ would woop some ass
up there too! Speed below - lift above.
"Oh give me a CJ-6 A
And send me into the fray.
With guns and panache
I'll kick any ass.
Yes! give me a CJ-6 A."
Pappy
Roger Kemp wrote:
> You really do not want to start this. I know a YAK-52 driver that you
> meet at Red Air who has had his stock 52 at FL200. As a matter of fact
> you meet Weasle when we operated out of his hanger. Yep, all you need is
> extended range tanks. Fuel is an issue at this time. Can opt for the
> back seat ferry tank (strapped in), the centerline that Stu has, tip
> tanks from Termikus, or the two wing tanks on pylons from Dennis.
> Fights on. Again!
> Dogmatic Viperdoc
Yo Dog! (I like that.)
I took my CJ with the Huosai to 180 doing time-to-climb testing. (I did
it twice.) No problem. Lots of climb left but I didn't want to file IFR
to keep going plus the nasal canulas are not certified for ops above 180.
I would expect a Yak-52 to be able to go to 200. HP=climb. I would
expect the CJ to go higher on the same engine tho'. Better aerodynamics
and a higher aspect ratio wing should make a difference up there.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> */Ever see those high altitude WW2 gun camera films? The P-51s with the
> slightly higher aspect wing was turning in side those 109s &190s. No
> steep angles of bank up there. Makes me think that once again the CJ
> would woop some ass up there too! Speed below - lift above./*
> *//*
> */"Oh give me a CJ-6 A/*
> */And send me into the fray./*
> */With guns and panache/*
> */I'll kick any ass./*
> */Yes! give me a CJ-6 A."/*
Oh yes, give me a break!
Pappy, I am going to have to come over there a whoop ass on you if you
don't stop pickin' on those Yak-52 kids! They're nice kids and they have
a nice airplane too. Din't yo' mama larn you to talk nice and git along?
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Brian,
If I were going to operate continuous above FL 150, I would install a
diluter demand regulator, a O2 tank in the instrument bay, a CRU-6O and an
aviators 02 mask. Also, if I were going to climb to >FL2OO- 250 , I would
pre-breath 100% 02 for 20 minutes. Just because my old fat self is at
higher risk for nitrogen narcosis.
That is assuming I intended to remain at attitude for a XC > 30min. to 1
hour or so. you already know the instruments needed for IFR@ FL's. as you
say staying below FL18 does not require filing IFR. Only if you want to get
over some stuff, would you want to file IFR. you are going to want that
down filled Flight Suit at those FL's this time of year. Actually, you
would want them in the summer to if you plan on staying up therein that
air-ish YAK of mine!
Dogmatic Viperdoc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/17/2006 3:47:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Re: AYS-bound
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> Roger Kemp wrote:
>
> > You really do not want to start this. I know a YAK-52 driver that you
> > meet at Red Air who has had his stock 52 at FL200. As a matter of fact
> > you meet Weasle when we operated out of his hanger. Yep, all you need is
> > extended range tanks. Fuel is an issue at this time. Can opt for the
> > back seat ferry tank (strapped in), the centerline that Stu has, tip
> > tanks from Termikus, or the two wing tanks on pylons from Dennis.
> > Fights on. Again!
> > Dogmatic Viperdoc
>
> Yo Dog! (I like that.)
>
> I took my CJ with the Huosai to 180 doing time-to-climb testing. (I did
> it twice.) No problem. Lots of climb left but I didn't want to file IFR
> to keep going plus the nasal canulas are not certified for ops above 180.
>
> I would expect a Yak-52 to be able to go to 200. HP=climb. I would
> expect the CJ to go higher on the same engine tho'. Better aerodynamics
> and a higher aspect ratio wing should make a difference up there.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Like I Said, Fight's on - Fight's on!
DVD
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/17/2006 4:23:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Re: AYS-bound
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> > */Ever see those high altitude WW2 gun camera films? The P-51s with the
> > slightly higher aspect wing was turning in side those 109s &190s. No
> > steep angles of bank up there. Makes me think that once again the CJ
> > would woop some ass up there too! Speed below - lift above./*
> > *//*
> > */"Oh give me a CJ-6 A/*
> > */And send me into the fray./*
> > */With guns and panache/*
> > */I'll kick any ass./*
> > */Yes! give me a CJ-6 A."/*
>
> Oh yes, give me a break!
>
> Pappy, I am going to have to come over there a whoop ass on you if you
> don't stop pickin' on those Yak-52 kids! They're nice kids and they have
> a nice airplane too. Din't yo' mama larn you to talk nice and git along?
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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ViperDoc wrote:
>Craig,
>You really do not want to start this. I know a YAK-52 driver that you meet at
Red
>Air who has had his stock 52 at FL200.
>
Certainly I want to start this! Sharpens the edge for the coming fray! I can Best
the Boast of any man with a beer in my hand!
The only problem with a Yak-52 with long-range tanks at altitude is that it's still
a Yak-52. No speed. Even at a lowly altitude of 11500 without Ox, I see 160kts
true...with a stock (almost) M-14P, more if I go lower and leave the money
levers forward. Looking at the "Super Yak-18T" specs (400hp), it's claimed
that a cruise at 17,000 is doable to get over the Alps with a healthy margin.
Most of my "alps" are getting over the hills of NW Georgia when the scud lies low.
OTOH, even with a stock CJ, I didn't have a problem with either the Sierras
or the Rockies. (They were good days though)
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Very Short U-2 Story |
Speaking of high altitude flight I got this (see below) from a friend.
Gus
_____
From: David Knight [mailto:david@terbine.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:08 AM
Subject: Fwd: Very Short U-2 Story
>From Colonel Clet Kresge...Enjoy, David.
Subject: U-2 Story
I remember hearing this transmission on the radio as a very young pilot
flying into Beale:
Pogo 22; "Oakland Center Pogo 22 020 degrees 60 DME with Charlie (ATIS),
requesting FL850."
Oakland Center; "Pogo 22 if you can get there it is all yours. Altimeter
30.02"
Pogo 22; "Roger Pogo 22 descending to FL850, 30.02."
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=3DGENERATOR>
<SPAN
class=3D500145522-17012006>Speaking of high altitude flight I got this (see below)
from a friend.
<SPAN
class=3D500145522-17012006>
<SPAN
class=3D500145522-17012006>Gus
From: David Knight [mailto:david@terbine.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:08 AM
Gus
Subject: Fwd: Very Short U-2 Story
<SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
face=3D"Times New Roman, Times, serif">From Colonel Clet Kresge...Enjoy,
David.
<SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<SPAN
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: U-2
Story
<FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack
size=3D2><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I remember
hearing this transmission on the radio as a very young pilot flying into
Beale:
<FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack
size=3D2><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Pogo
22; "Oakland Center Pogo 22 020 degrees 60 DME with Charlie (ATIS),
requesting
FL850."
<ST1:PLACE
w:st=3D"on"><ST1:PLACENAME w:st=3D"on"><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack
size=3D2><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></ST1:PLACENAME><FONT
face=3DArial color=3Dblack
size=3D2><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><ST1:PLACETYPE
w:st=3D"on">Oakland
Center</ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACE><FONT
face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">;
"Pogo 22 if you can get there it is all yours. Altimeter
30.02"
<FONT face=3DArial
color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><FONT
face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Pogo
22;<FONT
face=3DArial color=3Dblack size=3D2><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> "Roger Pogo 22
descending to FL850,
30.02."
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U-2's cannot and never will reach FL850. SR-71 might.
John Amundson Col USAF, Retired, former U-2 pilot.
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| Subject: | Re: Very Short U-2 Story |
U-2's cannot and never will reach FL850. SR-71 might.
John Amundson Col USAF, Retired, former U-2 pilot.
Buddy would I have like to been in your flight suit! Even if the U-2
couldn't get to FL850.
The highest I ever had the 747 is 43,000. Surprising how quite it got.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Craig,
Yeah,but an L-39 is another story'. : )
I found a couple "restored" for the cost of one of those souped up CJ-6A's you
be boasting of.That is per a/c of course. Hum... YAK-50 or L-39??? Or neither...Fly
cheap and low or high and fast. It all comes back to $'s out the tailpipe
and the FAA restrictions. So for now, its the 52 for me. I'll save the high
and fast for the Viper!.
So you are telling me you can sprint out to 160. Well you can run. But can you
turn? And with that we are back to the extolling the virtues of our selected
steads. Not to beat a dead horse.; -))
So, what you are saying is if you want a XC bird, then buy as CJ 6a! Now if you
want to loop and turn like a , then the YAK -52 would be the bird! Or maybe
a "nifty 50" is the real quickie in this little ditty!
Now we are back to its all about performance! And, it would appear the "nifty 5O"
is the real fighter in this mea lie! Now the 50 'it'll out perform a "51"
initially! And where is the CJ in this fray? Cruising along on those wings so
long.
DVD
DVD
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
Sent: 1/17/2006 4:48:20 PM
Subject: Yak-List: FL180
ViperDoc wrote:
>Craig,
>You really do not want to start this. I know a YAK-52 driver that you meet at
Red
>Air who has had his stock 52 at FL200.
>
Certainly I want to start this! Sharpens the edge for the coming fray! I can Best
the Boast of any man with a beer in my hand!
The only problem with a Yak-52 with long-range tanks at altitude is that it's still
a Yak-52. No speed. Even at a lowly altitude of 11500 without Ox, I see 160kts
true...with a stock (almost) M-14P, more if I go lower and leave the money
levers forward. Looking at the "Super Yak-18T" specs (400hp), it's claimed
that a cruise at 17,000 is doable to get over the Alps with a healthy margin.
Most of my "alps" are getting over the hills of NW Georgia when the scud lies low.
OTOH, even with a stock CJ, I didn't have a problem with either the Sierras
or the Rockies. (They were good days though)
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Roger Kemp wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Brian,
> If I were going to operate continuous above FL 150, I would install a
> diluter demand regulator, a O2 tank in the instrument bay, a CRU-6O and an
> aviators 02 mask.
Well, you can do that if you like. It wastes O2 compared to a pulse
demand regulator like Mountain High's or Nelson's but, what the hey, O2
is cheap ... to the military.
> Also, if I were going to climb to >FL2OO- 250 , I would
> pre-breath 100% 02 for 20 minutes. Just because my old fat self is at
> higher risk for nitrogen narcosis.
Working on our physiology are we? Let's see -- nitrogen narcosis, aka
"rapture of the deep," comes from a *higher* partial pressure of N2
dissolved in nervous tissue. You don't get narc'd when you go up, only
down, as in SCUBA. When the dissolved N2 comes out of the tissues as the
pressure drops you get decompression illness, otherwise known as "the
bends".
> That is assuming I intended to remain at attitude for a XC > 30 min. to 1
> hour or so.
Well, given how long it takes to get up there I not particularly worried
unless I have been SCUBA diving. No flying within 24 hours of any
decompression diving. Other than that, no big if we are going to be
working at 250 and below. If I were going to be pressure breathing O2 at
420 I would start to worry about it.
> you already know the instruments needed for IFR@ FL's.
You need instruments? Whoa dude, awesome! I play keyboards myself.
> as you
> say staying below FL18 does not require filing IFR. Only if you want to get
> over some stuff, would you want to file IFR.
Let's see, there was this beautiful woman and I am still trying to get
over her. Now I know that filing IFR will help.
> you are going to want that
> down filled Flight Suit at those FL's this time of year. Actually, you
> would want them in the summer to if you plan on staying up therein that
> air-ish YAK of mine!
You know what Dog? Been there, done that. I wear my long johns,
fleece-lined flight jacket, and warmie socks. No problems, even in winter.
> Dogmatic Viperdoc
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Fraser, Gus wrote:
> Speaking of high altitude flight I got this (see below) from a friend.
They don't need to talk to center until they get down to FL600. I
suspect that was supposed to read "requesting 550."
> *Subject:* U-2 Story
>
> I remember hearing this transmission on the radio as a very young
> pilot flying into Beale:
>
>
> *Pogo 22*; "Oakland Center Pogo 22 020 degrees 60 DME with Charlie
> (ATIS), requesting FL850."
>
> *Oakland Center*; "Pogo 22 if you can get there it is all yours.
> Altimeter 30.02"
>
> *Pogo 22*; "Roger Pogo 22 descending to FL850, 30.02."
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Very Short U-2 Story |
and the altimeter setting is 29.92
----- Original Message -----
From: JAmund1009@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Very Short U-2 Story
U-2's cannot and never will reach FL850. SR-71 might.
John Amundson Col USAF, Retired, former U-2 pilot.
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| Subject: | Re: Best regs in the world |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
Daytime, no overwater, VFR, right?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Best regs in the world
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>
> There is more to this Medical issue the meets the eye. I personally know
> the people involved in this dispute and can say that they and Transport
> Canada have not seen eye to eye for quite some time. The general feeling
> is that TC is dusting off an obscure REG to pull a "Bob Hoover" on them. I
> sincerely hope they are successful in their fight, for he definitely is
> more fit then a lot of us for acro work.
>
> As for Walt's comment, we Canadian were successful a few years back in
> obtaining from TC the authorization to operate ANY (from the Yak to the
> Mig21) Warbirds as a recreational airplane. Basically, all Canadian YAK/CJ
> are pre-moratorium.
>
> Dan
>
>
>>From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Best regs in the world
>>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:36:44 -0800
>>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>>
>>Gus;
>>Before you beat up on Canada maybe you should ask some questions of your
>>friend who has a friend who had by-pass surgery.
>>For example when did he have the surgery.
>>
>>Being a long in the tooth Canadian pilot I have a number of pilot friends
>>who have had bypass surgery and returned to flight status after a period
>>of time.
>>
>>In one case after a quintupal by-pass back to commercial operation in six
>>months.
>>
>>The Feds can be a pain in the ass here in many respects but in fact are no
>>different than the FAA or any other civil "servants".
>>
>>I guess you missed Joe's post a few day's back pointiung out that us poor
>>downtrodden frozen Canucks can fly our CJ's, Yak's etc. anywhere in the
>>country at any time for any reason without sending a FAX to anyone. Yeah
>>we do have it tough!
>>
>>Walt
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:50 AM
>>Subject: Yak-List: Best regs in the world
>>
>>
>>>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>>>
>>>See while our (FAA) regs may be a pile of s&
t, they are the best pile of
>>>s
&t you can get, Read below :-
>>>
>>>From: <aboyd@qnx.com>
>>>Subj: [Acro] Acro Videos, etc
>>>Date: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:39 pm
>>>Size: 1K
>>>To: <acro@aerobatics.ws>
>>>
>>>We're busy trying to get four pilots trained up and qualified, but we've
>>>hit
>>>a minor snag.
>>>
>>>One of our pilots had heart bypass surgery, and our local Feds (Transport
>>>Canada) are saying that it's medically unsafe to fly aerobatics after
>>>heart
>>>bypass surgery.
>>>
>>>We asked them what data they had, and their reply was "none". We pointed
>>>out to them that in the USA, the FAA permitted aerobatics after heart
>>>bypass
>>>surgery, and Transport Canada replied "We don't care about the FAA".
>>>
>>>We really don't want to let Transport Canada set a precedent like this,
>>>on
>>>no evidence - in fact, ignoring the evidence - so we're off the Tribunal
>>>to
>>>argue this.
>>>
>>>If you - or someone else you know - has had heart bypass surgery, and
>>>went
>>>on to fly aerobatics on his FAA medical, I'd appreciate it if you could
>>>send
>>>me an email with his or her name, so that I could present a list of
>>>American
>>>pilots to the Tribunal who had heart bypass surgery, had got their FAA
>>>medicals back, and went on to fly aerobatics without medical
>>>complications
>>>from their heart surgery. I don't want to violate anyone's privacy,
>>>though!
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>>--
>>>aboyd ATP www.pittspecials.com/movies/outsideloop.wmv
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: FAA & Warbirds, |
Who signed off to ferry the EAA's B-17? It was certainly an A&P who signed the
ferry permit that said the plane was in a safe condition for flight, not an FAA
employee. Look at the logbook for your plane. Who said the plane was capable
of flying? Some mechanic signed off that it was in a safe condition for flight
and the FAA/DAR signed "I find that the aircraft is eligible for the certificate
requested", no comment or opinion at all on whether it would fly.
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: Yak-List: FAA & Warbirds,
Today I sat though ground school on the Colling's B-17. My 5th years now.
In the room of 12 pilots was also an FAA FDSO guy. He's going though chemo/radiation
for lung cancer (he's was a nonsmoker). We treat him like one of us.
In a room full of professionals, he was just that also. Being that we are
seeing this guy all the time, as he is assigned to over see our operations, one
can't help seeing the human side of such guys at times. AND he loves being
around these airplanes as much as we. We laugh tell jokes on our self's and
often confess this or that - that often cover some aspect of the subject we love
i.e. B-17, B-24, or B-25. That is how we learn.
God save us from the uncaring bureaucrat, BUT we do have some friends in
those places that are willing to help. Even sometimes go out on a limb. Case
in point. EAA's B-17 has the gear come-up on landing out CA. Who signed off
the a ferry flight half way across the US? The airplane had a broken back from
where the belly turret had gone though the roof. All four engines had been
though sudden stoppage and had temporary replacement props. The landing gear
had to be bolted down for entire flight. EAA needed to get the ship back to
OSH for effective permanent repairs. The FAA signed off the ferry flight.
Some say the EAA has more pull than we. Very true and may have been the
case. But these airplanes mean an awful lot to a lot of people in terms of national
pride and treasure. I like to think the FAA realizes that also.
Once a out of district FSDO guy threaten to pull my airworthiness certificate
if I ever came into his area. (details to long to cover why). I went to
"my FSDO guy" for help. His words "Jim you belong to me, and you can fly anywhere
you want. Give me his number." Problem solved.
This year at ICAS we heard the FAA come up with some new procedure that will
actually make it easier on you at airshows. Details are still working out,
but you may be able to leave a lot of paper work at home soon.
Polly Anna? I guess and maybe not prudent. But each time I've treated one
of them like a fellow pro- I seem to find my way around a lot of troublesome
rules. Ass holes? Yes, but in my 50 years, I can count them on one hand and
have some fingers left over.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
You just can't let go of "the order" can you?
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Ok Ron. You keep doing what your doing and interpreting the Order and
> your ops limits any way you want to.
>
> Obviously you believe the only limitation is you can't go to foreign
> countries. I'd like to suggest you contact either your local FSDO
> inspector or the EAA or both and ask them if that is the only restriction
> and also what the term EVENT means by the FAA's definition.
>
> Are you implying your aircraft does not have an airworthiness certificate?
> Just because it says "special airworthiness certificate" doesn't change
> the fact that it is an airworthiness certificate.
>
> Personally, I could care less where you go with your airplane. My main
> concern is that we don't bring attention to our Exhibition category
> airplanes by abusing the rules under which our aircraft received their
> airworthiness certificate.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
>>
>> We have been through this before and you can't seem to grasp that FAA
>> order 8130.2F only applies to people who want an airworthiness
>> certificate. It has no legal standing whatsoever for people who have an
>> airworthiness certificate. The ops limits apply to an aircraft holding
>> an airworthiness certificate. FAA orders specify what goes on the ops
>> limits when you get them, but changing the orders doesn't change what the
>> previously-certified planes can do.
>>
>> And yes I can go see my grandmother if I send the FAA a fax because there
>> is an "event" that happens to be taking place whereever she lives
>> whenever I want to go. Events are what experimental-exhibition planes
>> are for. If you're not any better at finding "events" than you are at
>> interpreting the regs, then I presume your flying is considerably more
>> limited than mine.
>>
>> The only real limitation is that you can't go to foreign countries and
>> that's an ICAO thing rather than an FAA thing.
>>
>> Lazarus Long was right.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
>>
>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>>> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>>>
>>> Really Ron? What does the FAA Order 8130.2F (or its predecessors) say
>>> with regards to "..you can go anywhere you want if you put it on your
>>> program letter or fax the FSDO." Are you saying that if you want to go
>>> visit your grandmother and she lives outside of your 300 NM proficiency
>>> area, all you have to do is either have "going to visit my grandmother
>>> in Anytown, USA" on you annual program letter or send a FAX to your FSDO
>>> saying "going to visit my grandmother in Anytown, USA"?
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> It's easy to make rules that apply to activities in the future and
>>>> considerably harder, legally and public relations wise, to take away
>>>> something that has already been granted. That's why yesterday's rules
>>>> apply to yesterday's airplanes and today's rules apply to airplanes
>>>> certified today and henceforth.
>>>>
>>>> The rules on certifying a plane include the operating limits that will
>>>> apply to the plane. The rules on certifying a plane have nothing to do
>>>> with planes that already have an airworthiness certificate. Could you
>>>> quote a particular chapter and verse of the constitution that you think
>>>> this violates?
>>>>
>>>> Besides that, you can go anywhere you want if you put it on your
>>>> program letter or fax the FSDO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>>>> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yakkers;
>>>>> I'm asking WHY should some of us be "Grandfathered" into no flight
>>>>> restrictions for Experimental Exhibition registered aircraft
>>>>> (pre-moratorium) and others with the exact same plane be limited with
>>>>> FAA
>>>>> restrictions like the no flight past a 300 mile limit rule? What the
>>>>> hell
>>>>> were these pointy headed FAA bureaucrats thinking? Where do they get
>>>>> off
>>>>> letting some have all the freedoms they want while restricting others?
>>>>> It
>>>>> seems like an unacceptable and unequal application of the law. I seem
>>>>> to
>>>>> remember somewhere that all laws have to be equally administered or
>>>>> they are
>>>>> unconstitutional. And why put that restriction on us anyways? What
>>>>> pointy
>>>>> headed bureaucrat thought of that one and why? I suggest we, as RPA
>>>>> members,
>>>>> use our clout to get rid of this unconstitutional and bullshit set of
>>>>> regulations!
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>> "All proficiency/practice flights shall be conducted within the
>>>>> geographical
>>>>> area described in the applicant's program letter and any amendments to
>>>>> that
>>>>> letter, but that area will not exceed 300 nautical miles of the
>>>>> aircraft's
>>>>> home base airport. An exception is permitted for proficiency flying
>>>>> outside
>>>>> of the area stated above for organized formation flying, training, or
>>>>> checkout in conjunction with a specific event listed in the
>>>>> applicant's
>>>>> program letter (or amendments). The program letter should indicate the
>>>>> location and dates for this proficiency flying."
>>>>>
>>>>> OOOHHHH............But if you're "grandfathered" and one of the
>>>>> "special
>>>>> ones" you don't have to do this even though you own the exact same
>>>>> airplane.
>>>>> What a crock of shit these bureaucrats have done to us! What the hell
>>>>> gives
>>>>> them the right to unilaterally declare the exact same planes
>>>>> different? F'in
>>>>> bastards!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Very Short U-2 Story |
Jim,
I had the 747SP to fl 450 and it was a pig. It wallowed around so bad I
had to take it back down to fl 410 so the passengers wouldn't puke.It was too short
coupled for any kind of chop at that altitude.
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Very Short U-2 Story
U-2's cannot and never will reach FL850. SR-71 might.
John Amundson Col USAF, Retired, former U-2 pilot.
Buddy would I have like to been in your flight suit! Even if the U-2 couldn't
get to FL850.
The highest I ever had the 747 is 43,000. Surprising how quite it got.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: FAA & Warbirds, |
Who signed off to ferry the EAA's B-17? It was certainly an A&P who signed
the ferry permit that said the plane was in a safe condition for flight, not
an FAA employee. Look at the logbook for your plane. Who said the plane was
capable of flying? Some mechanic signed off that it was in a safe condition
for flight and the FAA/DAR signed "I find that the aircraft is eligible for
the certificate requested", no comment or opinion at all on whether it would
fly.
----- Original Message
Well I don't disagree that an IA signed it the log, but on my airplane the
'ferry permit' came from the FAA and he (the FAA guy) signed my log book as
such. And I'm willing to bet a beer the same happened with the EAA B-17.
Pappy
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| Subject: | Re: Very Short U-2 Story |
Terry,
I do have the nose wheel rim.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Best regs in the world |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Best regs in the world
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
> Daytime, no overwater, VFR, right?
Ron;
There are a whole bunch of restrictions that CAN be imposed since these are
non type certificated aircraft. The Mig 21 I am sure would have most of them
attached to the airworthiness certificate. In the case of the CJ the only
one I have seen attached is the provision for no operation in foreign
airspace without the authorization of the foreign authority. So if we go
south we do have to send a FAX to the FAA.
Night operation is OK provided the aircraft is properly equipped.
IFR which apparently was initially restricted is also OK providing equipment
meets IFR requirements. No different than type certified for both night &
IFR and of course the same maintenance standards apply. Can you operate IFR
in the US without altimeter, encoder etc. calibration and certification? I
doubt it.
Overwater?? Not even mentioned in the restriction list.
Walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Best regs in the world
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>>
>> There is more to this Medical issue the meets the eye. I personally know
>> the people involved in this dispute and can say that they and Transport
>> Canada have not seen eye to eye for quite some time. The general feeling
>> is that TC is dusting off an obscure REG to pull a "Bob Hoover" on them.
>> I sincerely hope they are successful in their fight, for he definitely is
>> more fit then a lot of us for acro work.
>>
>> As for Walt's comment, we Canadian were successful a few years back in
>> obtaining from TC the authorization to operate ANY (from the Yak to the
>> Mig21) Warbirds as a recreational airplane. Basically, all Canadian
>> YAK/CJ are pre-moratorium.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Re: AYS-bound |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Brian,
Best check again on the nitrogen Narcosis thing at altitude It happens.
It is called decompression sickness. The treatment for it is recompression
in a dive chamber. I have had to fly two military aviators to the chamber
one at Brooks, AFB and the other was at Beale AFB. Both had to be flown
with the cabin pressurized to sea level because of the risk of worsening
the decompression sickness. One of those pilots was my Squadron cc. He had
a gradual cabin pressure leak due to a slow leaking canopy seal.
There are two ways to get the "Bends." One is from decompression and the
other is from compression. In either case, N2 comes out of solution in
blood. It coleses into gas bubbles in the tissue. Most commonly in an
injured joint. It also can happen in the spinal cord, brain (neurological
nitrogen narcosis), and the pulmonary tree. (the chokes). That is putting
it in simple terms.
In otherwords, every time you take that unpressurised twin above FL 180,
you are at risk for for developing the "bends".
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/17/2006 8:18:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Re: AYS-bound
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> Roger Kemp wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Brian,
> > If I were going to operate continuous above FL 150, I would install a
> > diluter demand regulator, a O2 tank in the instrument bay, a CRU-6O and
an
> > aviators 02 mask.
>
> Well, you can do that if you like. It wastes O2 compared to a pulse
> demand regulator like Mountain High's or Nelson's but, what the hey, O2
> is cheap ... to the military.
>
> > Also, if I were going to climb to >FL2OO- 250 , I would
> > pre-breath 100% 02 for 20 minutes. Just because my old fat self is at
> > higher risk for nitrogen narcosis.
>
> Working on our physiology are we? Let's see -- nitrogen narcosis, aka
> "rapture of the deep," comes from a *higher* partial pressure of N2
> dissolved in nervous tissue. You don't get narc'd when you go up, only
> down, as in SCUBA. When the dissolved N2 comes out of the tissues as the
> pressure drops you get decompression illness, otherwise known as "the
> bends".
>
> > That is assuming I intended to remain at attitude for a XC > 30 min. to
1
> > hour or so.
>
> Well, given how long it takes to get up there I not particularly worried
> unless I have been SCUBA diving. No flying within 24 hours of any
> decompression diving. Other than that, no big if we are going to be
> working at 250 and below. If I were going to be pressure breathing O2 at
> 420 I would start to worry about it.
>
> > you already know the instruments needed for IFR@ FL's.
>
> You need instruments? Whoa dude, awesome! I play keyboards myself.
>
> > as you
> > say staying below FL18 does not require filing IFR. Only if you want to
get
> > over some stuff, would you want to file IFR.
>
> Let's see, there was this beautiful woman and I am still trying to get
> over her. Now I know that filing IFR will help.
>
> > you are going to want that
> > down filled Flight Suit at those FL's this time of year. Actually, you
> > would want them in the summer to if you plan on staying up therein that
> > air-ish YAK of mine!
>
> You know what Dog? Been there, done that. I wear my long johns,
> fleece-lined flight jacket, and warmie socks. No problems, even in winter.
>
> > Dogmatic Viperdoc
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Very Short U-2 Story |
Jim,
I'll be at AYS , we will talk.
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Very Short U-2 Story
Terry,
I do have the nose wheel rim.
Jim
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Sorenson <marksorenson@sprintpcs.com>
Hello Fellow Yakers!
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| Subject: | decompression sickness and narcosis (was: AYS-bound) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Roger Kemp wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Brian,
> Best check again on the nitrogen Narcosis thing at altitude It happens.
> It is called decompression sickness.
Go read your books again. Nitrogen narcosis is a malady that occurs when
too much N2 is dissolved in the tissues, especially the tissues of the
nervous system. The symptoms are similar to drunkenness but
hallucination is not uncommon. Divers who are "narc'd" have been known
to offer their regulator mouthpiece to passing fish. When N2 is
dissolved in the tissues it isn't coming out in bubbles.
When the body then decompresses again if it is done too quickly, the N2
can come out of the tissue in bubbles. These tend to lodge in the joints
and cause pain which often causes the victim to contort him/herself in
an attempt to relieve the pain, hence the term "the bends". The official
name for this malady is decompression sickness. This is a completely
different malady from nitrogen narcosis. Both involve nitrogen, both
involve pressure change, but the pathology is different as are the symptoms.
> The treatment for it is recompression in a dive chamber.
The treatment for decompression sickness is to increase the pressure
again so that the N2 goes back into solution in the blood and tissues.
The prevention of decompression sickness is to reduce the pressure
gradually so that the excess N2 in the tissues can stay in solution and
move into the bloodstream where it can move to the lungs and be exhaled.
> I have had to fly two military aviators to the chamber
> one at Brooks, AFB and the other was at Beale AFB. Both had to be flown
> with the cabin pressurized to sea level because of the risk of worsening
> the decompression sickness. One of those pilots was my Squadron cc. He had
> a gradual cabin pressure leak due to a slow leaking canopy seal.
Had he been diving? Remember, the pressure change going from sea level
to FL250 is less than the pressure change from the surface to 30 feet
underwater. I suppose it is possible for someone to get decompression
sickness loss of cabin pressure but a slow leak is unlikely to cause the
problem. I am not saying it can't happen but I am skeptical unless there
was some other mechanism acting to raise the level of N2 in the tissue.
Living at sea level is not likely to cause enough N2 to dissolve in the
blood to cause the bends to happen at FL250, especially if the pressure
drops gradually.
> There are two ways to get the "Bends." One is from decompression and the
> other is from compression.
Sorry, no. The Bends occur *only* on decompression. Compression just
causes more N2 to dissolve in the tissues. If the person is suffering
from The Bends recomressing him/her causes the N2 bubbles to go back
into solution. Once that happens you can begin slow decompression thus
allowing the N2 to slowly and safely move from the tissue to the blood
to the lungs and then be exhaled.
> In either case, N2 comes out of solution in blood.
No, it doesn't. It *only* does that on decompression, hence the name
decompression sickness.
> It coleses into gas bubbles in the tissue. Most commonly in an
> injured joint. It also can happen in the spinal cord, brain (neurological
> nitrogen narcosis), and the pulmonary tree. (the chokes). That is putting
> it in simple terms.
You are describing only decompression sickness. You also called it
nitrogen narcosis which it isn't. Now nitrogen narcosis does happen when
you compress the body in the presence of N2. The greater the pressure,
the greater the symptoms of narcosis.
This is why divers use special breathing gasses that reduce or eliminate
the N2 in the breathing mix (heliox or nitrox) -- so that they are less
likely to experience narcosis while down and less likely to experience
The Bends upon ascending.
> In otherwords, every time you take that unpressurised twin above FL 180,
> you are at risk for for developing the "bends".
Any time you reduce the pressure on the body there is some chance of
developing decompression sickness. OTOH, the chance is very, very,
*VERY* small for people living at sea level or above who don't dive and
smaller still if the pressure change is gradual, i.e. standard rates of
ascent and not explosive decompression. I think if you go back and
research this you will find that this is an *extremely* rare event.
As a pilot who spent three years operating in the Virgin Islands who
dives and flies, I am *VERY* aware of the dangers from rapid pressure
changes and of going directly from a dive to a flight in an airplane.
For safety we use a rule of thumb of 24 hours between a decompression
dive to a flight because we know that even after a successful and safe
decompression dive, the tissues are still saturated to a higher level of
N2 than someone who has not been diving. The extra 24 hours allows the
body to come back to equilibrium before flying. My rule of thumb is
that, if you have been diving today, we don't fly until tomorrow.
So, yeah, I have some idea how all this works. The threat is vanishingly
small compared to what you are implying unless you have been diving and
then the threat is very real.
And nitrogen narcosis is NOT decompression sickness.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Best regs in the world |
In a message dated 1/17/2006 7:53:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
wlannon@cablerocket.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Best regs in the world
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
> Daytime, no overwater, VFR, right?
Ron;
There are a whole bunch of restrictions that CAN be imposed since these are
non type certificated aircraft. The Mig 21 I am sure would have most of them
attached to the airworthiness certificate. In the case of the CJ the only
one I have seen attached is the provision for no operation in foreign
airspace without the authorization of the foreign authority. So if we go
south we do have to send a FAX to the FAA.
Night operation is OK provided the aircraft is properly equipped.
IFR which apparently was initially restricted is also OK providing equipment
meets IFR requirements. No different than type certified for both night &
IFR and of course the same maintenance standards apply. Can you operate IFR
in the US without altimeter, encoder etc. calibration and certification? I
doubt it.
Overwater?? Not even mentioned in the restriction list.
Walt
Only a fax to the FAA?? When I went to Canada it was several phone calls and
$100.00
Canadian! To get approval to take my CJ into Canada. Although I must say
that dealing
with the Canadian FAA i.e. Transport Canada was a very good experience. All
of the people
I dealt with were very helpful, they returned all phone calls and I felt
that they really wanted
to help me get the paper work done so I could attend some airshows in
Canada.
Tom & Nora Elliott
CASCADE WARBIRDS
CJ-6A NX63727
777 Quartz Ave # 7004
Sandy Valley NV 89019
Home 702-723-1223
Fax 702-723-1243
Cell 702-595-2680 Tom
Cell 702-808-1316 Nora
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
But don't take my word for it. Here is a really good article on what
nitrogen narcosis is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_narcosis
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Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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