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1. 12:32 AM - having fun (Mark Jefferies YAK Uk)
2. 03:51 AM - Re: having fun (Frank Haertlein)
3. 04:03 AM - Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Yakmech)
4. 05:52 AM - Re: having fun (Fraser, Gus)
5. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: FAA & Warbirds (Ron Davis)
6. 06:27 AM - Re: decompression sickness and narcosis (was: AYS-bound) (Ron Davis)
7. 06:33 AM - Re: Re: FAA & Warbirds (Roger Kemp)
8. 06:42 AM - Re: having fun (Ron Davis)
9. 07:16 AM - Re: having fun (Kevin Pilling)
10. 07:18 AM - Straight and level (Roger Kemp)
11. 07:25 AM - Re: having fun (Brian Lloyd)
12. 07:37 AM - Fw: having fun (Kevin Pilling)
13. 07:37 AM - Re: having fun (Kevin Pilling)
14. 07:41 AM - Re: FL180 (Jon Boede)
15. 07:49 AM - Night VFR in Canada etc (Paul)
16. 08:18 AM - Contact Info (Mark Sorenson)
17. 08:40 AM - (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) (Mark Schrick)
18. 08:46 AM - Re: More Decompression Sickening sickness. (Sarah Tobin)
19. 08:51 AM - Re: Contact Info (doug sapp)
20. 09:17 AM - Altitude Chamber locations (Sarah Tobin)
21. 09:20 AM - Re: More Decompression Sickening sickness. (Roger Kemp)
22. 09:26 AM - Dos Gringos (Sarah Tobin)
23. 09:26 AM - Re: having fun (Roger Kemp)
24. 09:48 AM - Re: having fun (Fraser, Gus)
25. 10:03 AM - Re: Dos Gringos (Roger Kemp)
26. 10:10 AM - Re: Dos Gringos (Fraser, Gus)
27. 10:18 AM - Re: having fun (Kevin Pilling)
28. 10:21 AM - Re: Dos Gringos (Kevin Pilling)
29. 10:43 AM - Re: Straight and level (Buzzard Aviation)
30. 10:59 AM - Re: Dos Gringos (Roger Kemp)
31. 11:00 AM - Re: having fun (Roger Kemp)
32. 11:06 AM - Re: Straight and level (Gpw678@AOL.COM)
33. 11:25 AM - Re: Straight and level (Roger Kemp)
34. 11:35 AM - Re: Straight and level (Roger Kemp)
35. 12:20 PM - Re: Straight and level (Hans Oortman)
36. 12:31 PM - Re: Pilot versus Aircraft (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
37. 01:01 PM - Re: Straight and level (Gpw678@AOL.COM)
38. 03:33 PM - Airplanes vs. women (Frank Haertlein)
39. 04:01 PM - Re: Airplanes vs. women (Brian Lloyd)
40. 06:33 PM - Join, speak-up and get what you want ! ! ! ! (Frank Haertlein)
41. 07:59 PM - Re: FAA & Warbirds & Beer (MikSpin@aol.com)
42. 08:48 PM - Re: Re: FAA & Warbirds & Beer (Roger Kemp)
43. 10:35 PM - All Red Star (Shinden33)
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Guys I was wondering if you can help me. We have this sort of informal
aerobatics club over here in quaint old England and try as hard as we can we
just can't get the damn planes to fly straight and level for hours on end.
As you guys in the US seem to have this down I was wondering if you might
give us some pointers. We are obviously so crap at doing this by ourselves
so we really need your help.
Just to show you how bad things have got I have attached a video of our
ridiculously piss poor performance.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-339593460784738519 (this link ends
in "9")
Please help we are desperate.
I have seen your video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2772544527369613198 (this link ends
in "8") apart from Bud Granley it seams to depict a lot of aircraft being
polished, taxiing, and talk about flying, OK there are a few nice shots of
solo a/c also. One thing we cant muster in UK is the L-39's you beat us
there, cheap gas I guess. Nice to see them flying.
Oh and if we do really really well can you see your way clear to letting us
have one or two of those cute little patches that you have ?
Thanks in advance Mark Jefferies
PPFP
Piss
Poor
Formation
Pilot
Ps, before someone get realy hot under the collar don't take me to seriously
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Nice video, Mark. Liked the music too and it fits with the aircraft. Strikes
me as a celebration of flight in honor of our Russian friends who designed
the aircraft.
Frank
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| Subject: | Yak 52 r/h gear failure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
for those of you that might be interested. Just before xmas I was test flying
a yak 52 for a customer after service. On the landing roll the right gear collapsed
at on roll out. To cut a long storey short, the aircraft in question was
32 hours old.. the right gear actuating Ram had the internal locking collar
assembled 180 degrees out. The result of this incorrect assembly meant that with
a sharp bump the gear could unlock and retract . And yes before you ask ..
the gear selector was in the neatural position. ( yes I know it's not supposed
to be ). The fault was not picked up during normal servicing of the aircraft.
The gear reacted normally to retraction and extension checks both normal
and emergency. When the gear was down and the air pressure removed from the down
side of the ram the gear could be unlocked by a sharp blow with the palm of
your hand on the drag brace at the ram attach point. I might add that in this
same position you could literally kick the gear from behind attempting to retract
it and it would not move... it was only with a blow to the drag brace that
the gear unlocked.
Fortunately in this case the aircraft was travelling slowly when it collapsed and
caused only minor damage to wing tip and aileron.
If you would like any further info or pictures of the ram. pm me with your email
address and I will forward them on to you.
Finaly, as stated earlier the aircraft had only done 32 hours from new and it appears
that the ram has come out of the Factory like this. One to check on, next
your Yak 52 in for a service.. :(
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Once you have experienced flight you will forever walk this earth with your eyes
turned skyward for it is there that you have been and there that you long to
return !
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5215#5215
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I am just waiting for the Chang response, this should be awesome.
Gus
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: having fun
Nice video, Mark. Liked the music too and it fits with the aircraft. Strikes
me as a celebration of flight in honor of our Russian friends who designed
the aircraft.
Frank
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color=#0000ff size=2>I am just waiting for the Chang response, this should be
awesome.
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color=#0000ff size=2>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Haertlein
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:51 AM
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: having
fun
Nice
video, Mark. Liked the music too and itfits with the
aircraft.Strikes me as acelebration of flight in honor of our
Russian friends who designed the aircraft.
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| Subject: | Re: FAA & Warbirds |
Thanks for the info.
The US of A didn't win WW one and WW two on LIGHT beer. When did light beer make
it's introduction- during Vietnam?
----- Original Message -----
From: MikSpin@aol.com
To: Yak-List@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: FAA & Warbirds
The Van Nuys FSDO was present and directly supervising the inspection, repairs,
the approved test/ferry flight, and the ensuing ferry flight to OSH. They
did in fact sign for these events. From and operations standpoint, our FAA Program
Designee (the equivalent of a Principal Operations Inspector of POI for
you airline guys) who sits in on our ground schools, takes his own and rides on
our checkrides, also approved the flight.
It is also worth noting that some of our tireless volunteers drove across the
country with 4 rebuilt Wright 1820's (not the engines that had the sudden stoppage)
and props that were hung on the airplane before it moved again under its
own power.
Mike Hastings
PS Make it a Bud Light!
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| Subject: | Re: decompression sickness and narcosis (was: AYS-bound) |
I didn't realize so many CJ pilots were divers. Here's an interesting story about
SCUBA diving to 900 feet HTTP://outside.away.com/outside/features/200508/dave-shaw-1.html
in the deepest freshwater lake (cave) in the world.
----- Original Message -----
From: JOffice@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: decompression sickness and narcosis (was: AYS-bound)
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| Subject: | Re: FAA & Warbirds |
It's part of that NuVo X generation thing.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Davis
Sent: 1/19/2006 8:14:24 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: FAA & Warbirds
Thanks for the info.
The US of A didn't win WW one and WW two on LIGHT beer. When did light beer make
it's introduction- during Vietnam?
----- Original Message -----
From: MikSpin@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: FAA & Warbirds
The Van Nuys FSDO was present and directly supervising the inspection, repairs,
the approved test/ferry flight, and the ensuing ferry flight to OSH. They did
in fact sign for these events. From and operations standpoint, our FAA Program
Designee (the equivalent of a Principal Operations Inspector of POI for you
airline guys) who sits in on our ground schools, takes his own and rides on
our checkrides, also approved the flight.
It is also worth noting that some of our tireless volunteers drove across the country
with 4 rebuilt Wright 1820's (not the engines that had the sudden stoppage)
and props that were hung on the airplane before it moved again under its
own power.
Mike Hastings
PS Make it a Bud Light!
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First, you'll need to go to a bigger country. A straight line from Lands End to
Berkwick-upon-Tweed is less than 400 miles and even then you have to jog east
around the Cheviot to stay in England. A good many 400 mile flights in the
US don't even get us to a different state. If we start in the dead center of
the US we can do that at least 2 more times before dealing with Customs and Immigration.
If we start from a corner... Good thing gas is cheap here.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk
To: 'YAK USA LIST'
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:32 AM
Subject: Yak-List: having fun
Guys I was wondering if you can help me. We have this sort of informal aerobatics
club over here in quaint old England and try as hard as we can we just can't
get the damn planes to fly straight and level for hours on end. As you guys
in the US seem to have this down I was wondering if you might give us some pointers.
We are obviously so crap at doing this by ourselves so we really need
your help.
Just to show you how bad things have got I have attached a video of our ridiculously
piss poor performance.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-339593460784738519 (this link ends in "9")
Please help we are desperate.
I have seen your video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D2772544527369613198 (this link ends in "8") apart from Bud Granley it seams to depict a lot of aircraft being polished, taxiing, and talk about flying, OK there are a few nice shots of solo a/c also. One thing we cant muster in UK is the L-39's you beat us there, cheap gas I guess. Nice to see them flying.
Oh and if we do really really well can you see your way clear to letting us have
one or two of those cute little patches that you have ?
Thanks in advance Mark Jefferies
PPFP
Piss
Poor
Formation
Pilot
Ps, before someone get realy hot under the collar don't take me to seriously
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MessagePleased you accepted Mark's tongue-in-cheek humour in the spirit intended.
Some of our US friends have failed to translate UK humour in times past.....no
names mentioned Jim.
Regards
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Haertlein
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:50 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: having fun
Nice video, Mark. Liked the music too and it fits with the aircraft. Strikes
me as a celebration of flight in honor of our Russian friends who designed the
aircraft.
Frank
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Cc: "yak-list" <yak-list@matronics.com>
| Subject: | Straight and level |
Mark Ol'boy,
Straight and level is for the heavies. Problem for you bloks is that water locked
aircraft carrier you launch off of! Always having to turn to stay within
your bounderies as well avoid all that weather ya'll have.
You see here in the colonies we have wide open airspaces, no user fees, and cheap
fuel so we can afford to fly a bit. So we use the ol' acro to lighten the load
on our bottum sides. You know a littl' roll in the inverted to get a little
blood back in the checks so we can press on! Now if they would just move that
rudder pedal a bit farther forward, we could really recline back for that extended
sortie to gran mum's house. Which of course is one of the cheap fuel stops
on the way to one of our many published maintenace, training, display, or
airshow sites as per our program letter. So when fitted with a Texas Condom catheter
and foley bag, the ol' bladder does not interfer with the extended XC.
But one might would want to strap that bag to ones leg if they plan on a little
Acro along the way. A bit messy otherwise. Now we just have to solve the problem
of the limit fuel bladders on the stock 52!
Cheers,
The video was great!
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Mark Jefferies YAK Uk wrote:
> Guys I was wondering if you can help me. We have this sort of informal
> aerobatics club over here in quaint old England and try as hard as we
> can we just can't get the damn planes to fly straight and level for
> hours on end. As you guys in the US seem to have this down I was
> wondering if you might give us some pointers. We are obviously so crap
> at doing this by ourselves so we really need your help.
Actually, old man, you don't need to. You see, we need to be able to fly
for hours and hours and hours and hours straight and level because our
country is so starkly, uncomprehendingly, unimaginably *huge*! Why just
two weeks ago I had to fly straight-and-level for 13 hours in an
airplane that goes 170 kts to get from one side to the other.
You, on the other hand, live in a more (ahem) "modestly" sized country.
{sigh} Let's face it, your country is barely bigger than your aerobatic
box. You don't *need* to fly straight and level for hours on end. Heck,
if you flew for more than 30 minutes in any one direction you would have
to start speaking French, Dutch, German, Welsh, Scottish, or Irish. (I
know, technically the Scots and the Irish speak English but they only
tell you that to fool you.)
We understand and applaud your preoccupation with aerobatics. You need
that capability to keep your aircraft within your own borders. And a
fine job you do of it too! Keep up the good work!
So relax. Go flying. Take fifteen minutes to get reacquainted with your
country's geography, what there is of it, and then nip on down to the
pub for a pint. Treat yourself to a pasty in the knowledge of a job well
done!
By the way, bloody good show!
Stiff upper lip and all that!
> Ps, before someone get realy hot under the collar don't take me to seriously
PPS: don't take me too seriously either. ;-)
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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MessageHenry Kissenger and Al Haigh could have learned a thing or two from Mark
don't you all agree ?
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: having fun
I am just waiting for the Chang response, this should be awesome.
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:51 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: having fun
Nice video, Mark. Liked the music too and it fits with the aircraft. Strikes
me as a celebration of flight in honor of our Russian friends who designed the
aircraft.
Frank
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Lands End is for Tourists and Berwick-upon-Tweed is for those that know no better.
Fly South and then East and take in the UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Denmark(minor
track deviation)Germany again ( former East Germany), a fragment of Russia,
then Poland and finally Lithuania....8 countries and languages in a single
day......even in a Yak.....a cultural extravaganza ! Awesome.
At least Marks thread interrupts the Nitrogen thread overload
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Davis
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: having fun
First, you'll need to go to a bigger country. A straight line from Lands End
to Berkwick-upon-Tweed is less than 400 miles and even then you have to jog east
around the Cheviot to stay in England. A good many 400 mile flights in the
US don't even get us to a different state. If we start in the dead center of
the US we can do that at least 2 more times before dealing with Customs and
Immigration. If we start from a corner... Good thing gas is cheap here.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk
To: 'YAK USA LIST'
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:32 AM
Subject: Yak-List: having fun
Guys I was wondering if you can help me. We have this sort of informal aerobatics
club over here in quaint old England and try as hard as we can we just
can't get the damn planes to fly straight and level for hours on end. As you guys
in the US seem to have this down I was wondering if you might give us some
pointers. We are obviously so crap at doing this by ourselves so we really need
your help.
Just to show you how bad things have got I have attached a video of our ridiculously
piss poor performance.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D-339593460784738519 (this link ends in "9")
Please help we are desperate.
I have seen your video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3D2772544527369613198 (this link ends in "8") apart from Bud Granley it seams to depict a lot of aircraft being polished, taxiing, and talk about flying, OK there are a few nice shots of solo a/c also. One thing we cant muster in UK is the L-39's you beat us there, cheap gas I guess. Nice to see them flying.
Oh and if we do really really well can you see your way clear to letting us
have one or two of those cute little patches that you have ?
Thanks in advance Mark Jefferies
PPFP
Piss
Poor
Formation
Pilot
Ps, before someone get realy hot under the collar don't take me to seriously
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
I took the CJ up to 18,000 one time... it was still climbing good when the
controller suggested that I was going to need a clearance to keep going.
Jon
> Craig,
> Yeah,but an L-39 is another story'. : )
> I found a couple "restored" for the cost of one of those souped up
> CJ-6A's you be boasting of.That is per a/c of course. Hum... YAK-50 or
> L-39??? Or neither...Fly cheap and low or high and fast. It all comes
> back to $'s out the tailpipe and the FAA restrictions. So for now, its
> the 52 for me. I'll save the high and fast for the Viper!.
> So you are telling me you can sprint out to 160. Well you can run. But
> can you turn? And with that we are back to the extolling the virtues of
> our selected steads. Not to beat a dead horse.; -))
> So, what you are saying is if you want a XC bird, then buy as CJ 6a! Now
> if you want to loop and turn like a , then the YAK -52 would be the bird!
> Or maybe a "nifty 50" is the real quickie in this little ditty!
> Now we are back to its all about performance! And, it would appear the
> "nifty 5O" is the real fighter in this mea lie! Now the 50 'it'll out
> perform a "51" initially! And where is the CJ in this fray? Cruising
> along on those wings so long.
>
> DVD
>
>
> DVD
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Craig Payne
> To: yak-list
> Sent: 1/17/2006 4:48:20 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: FL180
>
>
> ViperDoc wrote:
>
>>Craig,
>>You really do not want to start this. I know a YAK-52 driver that you
>> meet at Red
>>Air who has had his stock 52 at FL200.
>>
> Certainly I want to start this! Sharpens the edge for the coming fray! I
> can Best the Boast of any man with a beer in my hand!
>
> The only problem with a Yak-52 with long-range tanks at altitude is that
> it's still a Yak-52. No speed. Even at a lowly altitude of 11500 without
> Ox, I see 160kts true...with a stock (almost) M-14P, more if I go lower
> and leave the money levers forward. Looking at the "Super Yak-18T" specs
> (400hp), it's claimed that a cruise at 17,000 is doable to get over the
> Alps with a healthy margin.
>
> Most of my "alps" are getting over the hills of NW Georgia when the scud
> lies low. OTOH, even with a stock CJ, I didn't have a problem with either
> the Sierras or the Rockies. (They were good days though)
>
> Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Night VFR in Canada etc |
Ron,
Unfortunatelt you were misled. I have been flying for 33 years with single / multi
engine / night / VFR / IFR and floats. Flew night VFR and IFR single engine
over land AND water and can still do so in the CJ "IF", as Dan says, I want
to equip and certify it for nite and/or IFR (nite is simple). Same for night
VFR over land or water. Went to Trinidad in a Bonanza in 1980 - lots of water
as Brian attests. Got to go over lots of water to get to Vancouver Island where
Joe and a lot of CJ's/52's/18T's live and "they" ,ATC, sometimes restrict you
to low altitudes due to lots of IFR traffic. We all suffer from the same stuff
from "swivel servants" on either side of the line with little nuances to make
life interesting. With the freedom we have with Limited Category aircraft -
CJ /52 etc. we do not have the same freedom you do with Experimental in terms
of mods etc.
Paul Dumoret
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Sorenson <marksorenson@sprintpcs.com>
HI Doug,
Could you fwd your contact info as I have the digest mode and it doesn't list your
e-mail or number. Thanks.
marksorenson@sprintpcs.com
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| Subject: | (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) |
Dear YAKers,
I have two M-14P engines for sale. Both have had a prop strike in grass
runways in Russia. I have Russian log books and both are in engines crates for
storage as a spare or to use on a CJ-6 conversation.
Both engines are under 1000 hours (one is 390TTE) on first over hauls and all
components. If you know anything about these engines you will find that
everyone just places a new prop on these engines and fly's away.
New engines are going for $26,000 (360 HP) to $38,000 for the new 450HP.
These engines are considerable less than that. Save money now for Aeromotors
is raising prices for overhauls to $17,000 in January 2006.
Pay less than an overhaul.
I will accept the best offer for the engines but before February 1st.
Thank you for the consideration.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email <mailto:schrick@pacbell.net> schrick@pacbell.net
Website <http://www.yakdriver.com/> www.YAKDRIVER.com
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| Subject: | Re: More Decompression Sickening sickness. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sarah Tobin" <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
Before I joined the AF, I wanted to get my High Altitude sign-off in a
P-Navajo. So, to get the physiological training, I went down to Peterson
AFB, paid 25 bucks and they let me go thru the entire course, just like I
have to do now every five years. I remember that they only ran the civilian
course once a quarter.
Smash
>From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>CC: viperdoc@mindspring.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Decompression Sickening sickness.
>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:00:14 -0600
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
>
>Brian wrote,
>
> > It has been a long time since I have gotten a chamber ride. Do you know
> > if they have a chamber at Beale (given the U-2 wing there I bet they
> > have one) and, if so, whether they give civilians a ride?
>
>Brian,
>My last chamber ride was at Tyndall, in Panama City, Fl.
>The last I knew Beale still had a hyperbaric chamber for support.
>They do fly civilians in the AF hypobaric chambers by appointment.
>Tomorrow, I will check with Brooks to see where a chamber is close to you.
>Doc
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Mark and all,
Phone is 509-826-4610
email is rvfltd@televar.com
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Sorenson
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:18 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Contact Info
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Sorenson <marksorenson@sprintpcs.com>
HI Doug,
Could you fwd your contact info as I have the digest mode and it doesn't
list your e-mail or number. Thanks.
marksorenson@sprintpcs.com
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| Subject: | Altitude Chamber locations |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sarah Tobin" <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
Where to get Training:
The FAA and the U.S. Air Force have a joint training agreement to offer
high-altitude, hypobaric chamber training to civilians for a nominal $35.00
fee. Applicants should contact FAA Aeromedical Education Division (AAM-400),
Airman Education Programs, Civil Aeromedical Institute, Oklahoma City, Okla.
at (405) 954-4837 to schedule training sessions at any of the following
facilities:
Beale AFB, Marysville, Calif.
Brooks AFB, San Antonio, Texas
Columbus AFB, Columbus, Mich.
Fairchild AFB, Spokane, Wash.
Holloman AFB, Alamogordo, N.M
Langley AFB, Norfolk, Va.
Laughlin AFB, Del Rio, Texas
Little Rock AFB, Little Rock, Ark.
Mike Monroney Aeronautical Ctr., Okla.
Offutt AFB, Omaha, Neb.
Peterson AFB, Colorado Springs, Colo.
Randolph AFB, San Antonio, Texas
Shaw AFB, Columbus, S.C.
Sheppard AFB, Wichita Falls, Texas
Tyndall AFB, Panama City, Fla.
Vance AFB, Enid, Okla.
Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, Ohio
Note: All personnel must have a current flight physical and a current DA
Form 4186 (Medical Recommendation for Flying Duty) indicating FFD before
participating in any hypobaric chamber exercise.
Smash
>From: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: More sickness.
>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:05:14 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
>
>When the ViperDoc and Brain get done whizzing all over
>each other's shoes I would like some info as to who I
>can contact to get a chamber ride.
> Sure I'm not the only one wondering this... BTW
>sounds like if you fly a jet this should almost be
>mandatory.
> -Robert Starnes
>
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| Subject: | Re: More Decompression Sickening sickness. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Smash,
Thanks. Have not had a chance to work on setting up the chamber rides yet.
To many "O' by the ways" today!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Sarah Tobin <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/19/2006 10:46:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Decompression Sickening sickness.
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Sarah Tobin" <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
>
> Before I joined the AF, I wanted to get my High Altitude sign-off in a
> P-Navajo. So, to get the physiological training, I went down to Peterson
> AFB, paid 25 bucks and they let me go thru the entire course, just like I
> have to do now every five years. I remember that they only ran the
civilian
> course once a quarter.
>
> Smash
>
>
> >From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >CC: viperdoc@mindspring.com
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: More Decompression Sickening sickness.
> >Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:00:14 -0600
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> >
> >Brian wrote,
> >
> > > It has been a long time since I have gotten a chamber ride. Do you
know
> > > if they have a chamber at Beale (given the U-2 wing there I bet they
> > > have one) and, if so, whether they give civilians a ride?
> >
> >Brian,
> >My last chamber ride was at Tyndall, in Panama City, Fl.
> >The last I knew Beale still had a hyperbaric chamber for support.
> >They do fly civilians in the AF hypobaric chambers by appointment.
> >Tomorrow, I will check with Brooks to see where a chamber is close to
you.
> >Doc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sarah Tobin" <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
I was thinking of Viperdoc today....
Before you get too excited, I bought the new CD by Dos Gringos.
These guys are two Viper drivers that were bored off their a%# in "the deed"
and wrote a bunch of fighter pilot drinking songs. On their first CD, "Live
from the sand trap" they talk about everything from Jeremiah Weed to the
life of a Wingman!
Go to their website and you can get free audio clips and lyrics. They are
so funny (and crude) that I couldn't help but buy both of them. Your wives
will probably not appreciate the song, "The B%$ch spent all my money"
but hey...these songs are for the boys and hangar talk (and some of us gals
that wanna be one of the boys!)
www.dosgringosrocks.com
Smash
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Hey, we have that right here in the colonies....without customs to deal with! Well
maybe that has been fixed now with the EU thing.
We can go from near "proper English of the NE, southern, Mid Western, Chinese,
Viet Namese, Spanish, and EBONICS without even leaving the contentinat bounders
of the Colonies!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Pilling
Sent: 1/19/2006 9:36:51 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: having fun
Lands End is for Tourists and Berwick-upon-Tweed is for those that know no better.
Fly South and then East and take in the UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Denmark(minor
track deviation)Germany again ( former East Germany), a fragment of Russia,
then Poland and finally Lithuania....8 countries and languages in a single
day......even in a Yak.....a cultural extravaganza ! Awesome.
At least Marks thread interrupts the Nitrogen thread overload
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Davis
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: having fun
First, you'll need to go to a bigger country. A straight line from Lands End to
Berkwick-upon-Tweed is less than 400 miles and even then you have to jog east
around the Cheviot to stay in England. A good many 400 mile flights in the
US don't even get us to a different state. If we start in the dead center of
the US we can do that at least 2 more times before dealing with Customs and Immigration.
If we start from a corner... Good thing gas is cheap here.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:32 AM
Subject: Yak-List: having fun
Guys I was wondering if you can help me. We have this sort of informal aerobatics
club over here in quaint old England and try as hard as we can we just can't
get the damn planes to fly straight and level for hours on end. As you guys
in the US seem to have this down I was wondering if you might give us some pointers.
We are obviously so crap at doing this by ourselves so we really need your
help.
Just to show you how bad things have got I have attached a video of our ridiculously
piss poor performance.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-339593460784738519 (this link ends in 9)
Please help we are desperate.
I have seen your video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2772544527369613198 (this link ends in 8) apart from Bud Granley it seams to depict a lot of aircraft being polished, taxiing, and talk about flying, OK there are a few nice shots of solo a/c also. One thing we cant muster in UK is the L-39s you beat us there, cheap gas I guess. Nice to see them flying.
Oh and if we do really really well can you see your way clear to letting us have
one or two of those cute little patches that you have ?
Thanks in advance Mark Jefferies
PPFP
Piss
Poor
Formation
Pilot
Ps, before someone get realy hot under the collar don't take me to seriously
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
I would just like to point out that the size of your country is not
important it is what you do with it that counts, just think what we would
have done with this place :)))
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: having fun
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Mark Jefferies YAK Uk wrote:
> Guys I was wondering if you can help me. We have this sort of informal
> aerobatics club over here in quaint old England and try as hard as we
> can we just can't get the damn planes to fly straight and level for
> hours on end. As you guys in the US seem to have this down I was
> wondering if you might give us some pointers. We are obviously so crap
> at doing this by ourselves so we really need your help.
Actually, old man, you don't need to. You see, we need to be able to fly for
hours and hours and hours and hours straight and level because our country
is so starkly, uncomprehendingly, unimaginably *huge*! Why just two weeks
ago I had to fly straight-and-level for 13 hours in an airplane that goes
170 kts to get from one side to the other.
You, on the other hand, live in a more (ahem) "modestly" sized country.
{sigh} Let's face it, your country is barely bigger than your aerobatic box.
You don't *need* to fly straight and level for hours on end. Heck, if you
flew for more than 30 minutes in any one direction you would have to start
speaking French, Dutch, German, Welsh, Scottish, or Irish. (I know,
technically the Scots and the Irish speak English but they only tell you
that to fool you.)
We understand and applaud your preoccupation with aerobatics. You need that
capability to keep your aircraft within your own borders. And a fine job you
do of it too! Keep up the good work!
So relax. Go flying. Take fifteen minutes to get reacquainted with your
country's geography, what there is of it, and then nip on down to the pub
for a pint. Treat yourself to a pasty in the knowledge of a job well done!
By the way, bloody good show!
Stiff upper lip and all that!
> Ps, before someone get realy hot under the collar don't take me to
> seriously
PPS: don't take me too seriously either. ;-)
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Smash,
I have a CD waiting for me in the squadron as we speak. Was introduced to
them by our new weapons guy, Flash...a colorful guy himself!
2 Wth his glance at the crotch and lost at the notch...what a hoot!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Sarah Tobin <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/19/2006 11:26:20 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Dos Gringos
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Sarah Tobin" <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
>
> I was thinking of Viperdoc today....
>
> Before you get too excited, I bought the new CD by Dos Gringos.
>
> These guys are two Viper drivers that were bored off their a%# in "the
deed"
> and wrote a bunch of fighter pilot drinking songs. On their first CD,
"Live
> from the sand trap" they talk about everything from Jeremiah Weed to the
> life of a Wingman!
>
> Go to their website and you can get free audio clips and lyrics. They
are
> so funny (and crude) that I couldn't help but buy both of them. Your
wives
> will probably not appreciate the song, "The B%$ch spent all my
money"
> but hey...these songs are for the boys and hangar talk (and some of us
gals
> that wanna be one of the boys!)
>
> www.dosgringosrocks.com
>
> Smash
>
> _________________________________________________________________
FREE!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Does anyone know all the words for "My name is Tommy Tucker" ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:26 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Dos Gringos
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sarah Tobin" <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
I was thinking of Viperdoc today....
Before you get too excited, I bought the new CD by Dos Gringos.
These guys are two Viper drivers that were bored off their a%# in "the deed"
and wrote a bunch of fighter pilot drinking songs. On their first CD, "Live
from the sand trap" they talk about everything from Jeremiah Weed to the
life of a Wingman!
Go to their website and you can get free audio clips and lyrics. They are
so funny (and crude) that I couldn't help but buy both of them. Your wives
will probably not appreciate the song, "The B%$ch spent all my money"
but hey...these songs are for the boys and hangar talk (and some of us gals
that wanna be one of the boys!)
www.dosgringosrocks.com
Smash
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
Laughed out loud at this post !
Smile
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: having fun
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> I would just like to point out that the size of your country is not
> important it is what you do with it that counts, just think what we would
> have done with this place :)))
>
> Gus
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
Nope...but I can manage at least 10 verses of The Engineers Song and Eskimo
Nell........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Dos Gringos
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> Does anyone know all the words for "My name is Tommy Tucker" ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:26 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Dos Gringos
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| Subject: | Re: Straight and level |
=
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Not Sure..can you hum a few bars?
How's this for an N number...N69SX..someone at the FAA had a sick sense of
humor and sent that to a friend recently! Who says bureaucracy does not
have a sense of twisted humor.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Fraser, Gus <gus.fraser@gs.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/19/2006 12:10:13 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Dos Gringos
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> Does anyone know all the words for "My name is Tommy Tucker" ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:26 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Dos Gringos
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Sarah Tobin" <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
>
> I was thinking of Viperdoc today....
>
> Before you get too excited, I bought the new CD by Dos Gringos.
>
> These guys are two Viper drivers that were bored off their a%# in "the
deed"
>
> and wrote a bunch of fighter pilot drinking songs. On their first CD,
"Live
> from the sand trap" they talk about everything from Jeremiah Weed to the
> life of a Wingman!
>
> Go to their website and you can get free audio clips and lyrics. They are
> so funny (and crude) that I couldn't help but buy both of them. Your
wives
> will probably not appreciate the song, "The B%$ch spent all my
money"
> but hey...these songs are for the boys and hangar talk (and some of us
gals
> that wanna be one of the boys!)
>
> www.dosgringosrocks.com
>
> Smash
>
> _________________________________________________________________
FREE!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Tommy..was he that littl' %$@#'r?
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Kevin Pilling <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/19/2006 12:18:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: having fun
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
>
> Laughed out loud at this post !
>
> Smile
>
> kp
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:48 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: having fun
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> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
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> > I would just like to point out that the size of your country is not
> > important it is what you do with it that counts, just think what we
would
> > have done with this place :)))
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> > Gus
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| Subject: | Re: Straight and level |
You guys are right, thats why i moved to south africa, now thats a cross
country trip!
fuel prices aint bad here either.
By the way the Yak world aero champs are also here later this year. not sure
why, but they are.
gerald Williams
Yak 52
ZU-RUS
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| Subject: | Re: Straight and level |
Aye, but anyday with air under one's ars is a great day indeed!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Buzzard Aviation
Sent: 1/19/2006 12:42:26 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Straight and level
Mark Ol'boy,
Straight and level is for the heavies. Problem for you bloks is that water locked
aircraft carrier you launch off of! Always having to turn to stay within
your bounderies as well avoid all that weather ya'll have.
You see here in the colonies we have wide open airspaces, no user fees, and cheap
fuel so we can afford to fly a bit. So we use the ol' acro to lighten the load
on our bottum sides. You know a littl' roll in the inverted to get a little
blood back in the checks so we can press on!
Mark,
Roger is absolutely right of course. Both of the strips I use here in Devon are
mud pools, the weather is totally cr** and they can afford fuel. Not fair is
it :'(
Happy Landings
____|____
\O/
o'o Martin Robinson
Auster AOP 9 G-BKVK (WZ662)
Yak 18T HA-YAV
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| Subject: | Re: Straight and level |
Neither are we??
Yeh, and you really do have some indiginous creatures down there that one should
travel well armed on XC.
Doc
Sorry, I'm in one of my rare moods today! Must be antcipation of the upcoming drill
and being pissed over not making it to AYS
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 1/19/2006 1:03:43 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Straight and level
You guys are right, thats why i moved to south africa, now thats a cross country
trip!
fuel prices aint bad here either.
By the way the Yak world aero champs are also here later this year. not sure why,
but they are.
gerald Williams
Yak 52
ZU-RUS
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| Subject: | Straight and level |
So that's where you are Gerald. Joining the formation flying this year at
North Weald?.Are you having your jet toys in SA as well???
Good to know where you are.
Hans
Pa3arw@euronet.nl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gpw678@aol.com
Sent: donderdag 19 januari 2006 20:04
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Straight and level
You guys are right, thats why i moved to south africa, now thats a cross
country trip!
fuel prices aint bad here either.
By the way the Yak world aero champs are also here later this year. not sure
why, but they are.
gerald Williams
Yak 52
ZU-RUS
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| Subject: | Pilot versus Aircraft |
You're absolutely right! Nice trick question by the way. Were you aware
that Ivan also actually shot down an ME-262 AND,
TWO P-51's?
His LA-5 was mistaken for a FW-190 and the two P-51's opened up on him... he
had no choice but to shoot back, which he did with great effect .... one
pilot bailed out, and the other was killed.
Another interesting tidbit is that Bubi surrendered to the Americans and was
promptly turned over to the Soviets who imprisoned him for the next 10 years
for "war crimes". They admitted their error decades later after he died.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert Starnes
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pilot versus Aircraft
--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
Since this is the Yak-List I would also like to remind
ya'll that the highest scoring ALLIED ace was Ivan
Kozhedub of the Soviet air force (VVS). Flew P-39's,
P-40's, Yaks and LaGG series fighters.
Asking who the highest scoring allied ace is a sure
way to win a free beer with this info, as everybody
always guesses it was Johnny Johnson, Dick Bong, etc.
Hope to see everybody down in Waycross Saturday.
-Robert Starnes
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| Subject: | Re: Straight and level |
hi hans
will not be at weald for the formation this year, but will be back in march
to fly my Hunter,
and yes i did bring a few toys down here with me.
Take care, fly safe and see you in the EU at some stage.
Ger
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| Subject: | Airplanes vs. women |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Airplanes vs. women
Sixteen reasons why airplanes are easier to live with than women:
1) Airplanes usually kill you quickly - a woman takes her time.
2) Airplanes can be turned on by a flick of a switch.
3) Airplanes don't get mad if you do a "touch and go."
4) Airplanes don't object to a preflight inspection.
5) Airplanes come with manuals to explain their operation.
6) Airplanes have strict weight and balance limitations.
7) Airplanes can be flown any time of the month.
8) Airplanes don't come with in-laws.
9) Airplanes don't care about how many other airplanes you've flown before.
10) Airplanes and pilots both arrive at the same time.
11) Airplanes don't mind if you look at other airplanes.
12) Airplanes don't mind if you buy airplane magazines.
13) Airplanes expect to be tied down.
14) Airplanes don't comment on your piloting skills.
15) Airplanes don't whine unless something is really wrong.
16) However, when airplanes go quiet, just like women,
it's usually not good
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| Subject: | Re: Airplanes vs. women |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> 14) Airplanes don't comment on your piloting skills.
Like hell they don't!
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Join, speak-up and get what you want ! ! ! ! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
EAA-FAA SUMMIT YIELDS LENGTHY AGENDA
January 19, 2006 - Discussions that touched on several important aspects of
many different general aviation sectors took place this week at the EAA-FAA
Mid-Winter 2006 Recreational Aviation Summit held Wednesday and Thursday at
the EAA Aviation Center in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Items discussed during the
two days included amateur-built aircraft; sport pilot/light-sport aircraft;
warbirds; vintage/aging aircraft; and Canadian harmonization issues.
"I've been meeting with FAA people for several decades," noted EAA President
Tom Poberezny.
"This two-day summit has been one of the best if not the best sessions I've
ever been involved with. We've really set our agenda as to where EAA will
focus its resources for the coming year and beyond."
Jim Ballough, Director of Flight Standards, said, "This week was important
and beneficial not only for the FAA and EAA, but for the flying public as
well. We have a lot of worthy initiatives under way as a result."
The recreational aviation summit builds on EAA's longtime spirit of finding
solutions to aviation issues and forging constructive working relationships
with government, industry and aviation users. For instance, members of the
EAA Warbirds of America board were also involved in the summit,
participating in discussions on specific warbird issues such as operating
limitations and safety training programs. EAA's Vintage Aircraft Association
and International Aerobatic Club were also represented during the two-day
session.
EAA and FAA officials also continued planning for the agency's involvement
at EAA AirVenture 2006, set for July 24-30 at Wittman Regional Airport in
Oshkosh. FAA's activities at AirVenture include the extremely popular "Meet
the Administrator" session, dozens of forums and presentations by high-level
agency staff, and countless meetings between agency officials and their
aviation constituents.
In his closing remarks, John Hickey, FAA Director of Aircraft Certification,
noted the extensive list of commitments made during the two-day summit.
"Both our organizations always struggle with available resources, but you
have my commitment on all these actions we've discussed over the past two
days."
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
--> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakkers
I think Scott's analysis of the situation is spot on!
Let me relate some observations and facts.
What I do for a living is to measure the strength of materials, vibrate
mechanical assemblies, put them to temperature extremes or test them in in a
thousand different ways to make sure they will stand up to the rigors of an
operational environment. It is these kinds of data that the FAA uses to
"certify" a product. It is their holy grail. I'm the kind of guy who gives
them that data so I know a little about the business.
It's good to test a product in the laboratory but that isn't the only way a
product can be tested. It's possible to test a product in real world
situations and thus derive valid scientific data from that product (read
that to mean real world performance of ANY subsystem, component or even
whole aircraft). It is scientifically sound to determine the airworthiness
of a product by real world flight experience and is, in fact, the preferred
method for determining the airworthiness of a product.
Real world testing of aircraft and their systems goes on all the time with
our military. The military will not accept an aircraft for production until
it has undergone an extreme level of testing in real world
conditions......no matter what the laboratory test results have revealed! It
would be foolish to accept laboratory test results as the only method
towards aircraft airworthiness standards. You got to fly the aircraft and
test its systems in the real world!
This then leads me to aircraft being imported from the eastern block.......
These aircraft are not built to any known US specifications so the FAA says
they have to operate under special flight rules (Experimental Exhibition).
Like many scientists and engineers will tell you...... It's the real world
operational experience that is the most valuable! Just like the military,
who test an aircraft to the extremes, the civilian owners of eastern block
aircraft are doing the same thing in their day to day flying. In a sense
it's a repeat of what the Soviets or the Chinese have already done in
testing our aircraft. Their engineers have bought off on the airworthiness
of these aircraft. They have used their laboratory and real world
experiences to develop the aircraft, aircraft subsystems, maintenance
manuals, operating procedures and thus concluded that a particular aircraft
is airworthy. According to the FAA bureaucracy, all this doesn't mean
squat.....and that is a mistake in my opinion!
I'm not suggesting we "certify" YAKs. What I'm suggesting is a loosening of
the current restrictions.
The FAA mandate towards airworthiness certification is flawed in that it
refuses to accept experience gained in real world operations from processes
other than its own "APPROVED" processes...... Consider that our own military
DEMANDS real world testing of it's aircraft and that this isn't an approved
FAA process either! I'll bet you didn't know that Military airplanes are not
approved by the FAA!! Is that a crock of s&!t or what? Why can't the FAA
accept real world experiences and processes from other sources?
The FAA's airworthiness requirements are scientifically sound given the path
to certification they have chosen. But that process isn't the only way to
judge an aircraft as airworthy. Real world operational experience is another
way to certify airworthiness of a product and, if money was no object, would
in fact be the preferred method of validating an aircraft or it's
subsystems. The FAA chooses to ignore the operational experiences of the
Russians, Chinese and the operational experiences of US citizens who own and
operate these aircraft because it isn't "THEIR APPROVED" process. Don't
forget, real world operational experiences are the most valuable of all the
processes used to determine the airworthiness of an aircraft....... we do it
every day as we fly our aircraft. Why can't the FAA accept this?
I'm forced to conclude the FAA is blindly entrenched in a given process of
airworthiness certification and makes no exceptions to other processes that
are scientifically sound because of their own, internal bureaucratic inertia
(no one is willing to take a stand). I also suspect they use their rules to
serve a political agenda.
This is where Scott nailed it. It's because US aircraft manufacturers are
engaged in misguided protectionist practices. I think US aircraft
manufacturers contributed towards and almost succeeded in getting our
aircraft banned from the US. Thank God for the EAA. Just think for a moment
what your life would be like if they had succeeded. None of us would be
owning the aircraft we do. None of us would have met the friends made
possible by our involvement in these aircraft. Many of us (like myself)
would still be on the ground looking skyward dreaming of one day owning an
aircraft. A dream never to be realized because American, factory built
aircraft are just too expensive. In short, our lives would have been
diminished had the FAA succeeded in banning these aircraft. Just like most
government agencies the FAA isn't working towards increasing your freedoms
but working towards greater and greater restrictions on your flying
activities. When was the last time you heard of them rescinding one of their
rules?
I'm a working guy and if I didn't have the chance to buy a relatively
inexpensive 52 I would be building a kit....not buying and overpriced piece
of American crap spam can that I couldn't ever afford! The Russian and
Chinese airplanes filled a niche that American aircraft manufacturers
couldn't. Where does the FAA get off trying to ban them?
Frank
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| Subject: | Re: FAA & Warbirds & Beer |
OK, screw the economics, I'll take a Guinness, properly poured...
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: FAA & Warbirds & Beer |
Now your talking...particularly since Pappy is buying!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 1/19/2006 9:59:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: FAA & Warbirds & Beer
OK, screw the economics, I'll take a Guinness, properly poured...
Mike
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When is ARS this year?
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