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1. 12:54 AM - Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Mark Jefferies YAK Uk)
2. 01:21 AM - Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Yakmech)
3. 01:35 AM - Re: Dos Gringos (Kevin Pilling)
4. 01:36 AM - Re: Straight and level (Kevin Pilling)
5. 04:36 AM - Re: All Red Star (Stephen Fox)
6. 05:35 AM - Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 07:12 AM - Re: having fun (Barry Hancock)
9. 07:28 AM - Re: All Red Star (Barry Hancock)
10. 07:37 AM - Re: All Red Star (Tim Gagnon)
11. 09:37 AM - Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Walter Lannon)
12. 09:50 AM - beginners (Mark Jefferies YAK Uk)
13. 10:05 AM - Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Brian Lloyd)
14. 10:13 AM - Re: beginners (Brian Lloyd)
15. 10:26 AM - Re: beginners (Kevin Pilling)
16. 10:29 AM - Re: beginners (Roger Kemp)
17. 10:30 AM - Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Roger Kemp)
18. 10:33 AM - Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Roger Kemp)
19. 10:35 AM - Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (A. Dennis Savarese)
20. 10:38 AM - Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Walter Lannon)
21. 10:44 AM - Re: beginners (Brian Lloyd)
22. 10:50 AM - Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Brian Lloyd)
23. 10:59 AM - Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Brian Lloyd)
24. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: All Red Star (Dee L. Conger)
25. 11:52 AM - Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Yakmech)
26. 11:59 AM - Re: Re: All Red Star (Brian Lloyd)
27. 12:19 PM - Re: Straight and level (Gpw678@aol.com)
28. 12:33 PM - Re: Straight and level (Fraser, Gus)
29. 12:36 PM - Re: Straight and level (Gpw678@aol.com)
30. 01:41 PM - Re: Altitude Chamber locations (Robert Starnes)
31. 02:13 PM - Re: Altitude Chamber locations (Centrifuge) (Fraser, Gus)
32. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: All Red Star (Frank Haertlein)
33. 04:09 PM - Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Roger Kemp)
34. 04:27 PM - Prep ()
35. 04:39 PM - Re: Altitude Chamber locations (Centrifuge) (Roger Kemp)
36. 06:15 PM - Trying to contact Steve Fox (A. Dennis Savarese)
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| Subject: | Yak 52 r/h gear failure |
Gents, take this with a pinch of salt, ask the witnesses to this pilot/
mechanic accident. There is a lot of BS and "pride/ reputation" trying to be
protected here.
BTW, I have just has a gear ram on the bench and assembled it wrongly for a
test.
We all know why the gear collapses on the landing/ taxi role don't we ? No
if and buts, this accident was entialy pilot error.
Take care and fly with hull insurance, we can all make mistakes.
Time:
04:03:29 AM PST US
Subject:
Yak 52 r/h gear failure
From:
"Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
for those of you that might be interested. Just before xmas I was
test flying
a yak 52 for a customer after service. On the landing roll the right
gear collapsed
at on roll out. To cut a long storey short, the aircraft in question
was
32 hours old.. the right gear actuating Ram had the internal locking
collar
assembled 180 degrees out. The result of this incorrect assembly
meant that with
a sharp bump the gear could unlock and retract . And yes before you
ask ..
the gear selector was in the neatural position. ( yes I know it's not
supposed
to be ). The fault was not picked up during normal servicing of the
aircraft.
The gear reacted normally to retraction and extension checks both
normal
and emergency. When the gear was down and the air pressure removed
from the down
side of the ram the gear could be unlocked by a sharp blow with the
palm of
your hand on the drag brace at the ram attach point. I might add that
in this
same position you could literally kick the gear from behind attempting
to retract
it and it would not move... it was only with a blow to the drag brace
that
the gear unlocked.
Fortunately in this case the aircraft was travelling slowly when it
collapsed and
caused only minor damage to wing tip and aileron.
If you would like any further info or pictures of the ram. pm me with
your email
address and I will forward them on to you.
Finaly, as stated earlier the aircraft had only done 32 hours from new
and it appears
that the ram has come out of the Factory like this. One to check on,
next
your Yak 52 in for a service.. :(
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
this is what you get for trying to keep others from suffering the same fate....
all you have to do to test it is as i said. the system was re installed as
I have described for a demonstration for the insurance company and OTHER NON BELIEVERS.......
and yes the witness's to the accident were there and NOW have
appologised to me for the roumors that were being spread. They have no doubt
that it occured. I hope that others are not as cynical as you,,, there were non
beleivers here too... But not any more. Oh and I take my job seriously....
I am an Aircraft Engineer and peoples lives depend on me.... what use is it for
me to Lie about this sort of thing. If this is the sort of reply that im going
to get off this site then in future I will keep the information to myself
and let you deal with the posssible consequenc's later. I posted this info
after one of the non believers told me about the site....... Sorry for trying
to help out and prevent the same from occuring again......
--------
Once you have experienced flight you will forever walk this earth with your eyes
turned skyward for it is there that you have been and there that you long to
return !
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5425#5425
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
Obviously an aerobatic enthusiast coz inverted as XS69N it still looks good
!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:56 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Dos Gringos
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Not Sure..can you hum a few bars?
> How's this for an N number...N69SX..someone at the FAA had a sick sense of
> humor and sent that to a friend recently! Who says bureaucracy does not
> have a sense of twisted humor.
> Doc
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Fraser, Gus <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Straight and level |
Hi Gerald...How ya doin'....long time no see. Hows the Hunter ?
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Gpw678@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Straight and level
You guys are right, thats why i moved to south africa, now thats a cross country
trip!
fuel prices aint bad here either.
By the way the Yak world aero champs are also here later this year. not sure
why, but they are.
gerald Williams
Yak 52
ZU-RUS
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| Subject: | Re: All Red Star |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
On Jan 20, 2006, at 1:33 AM, Shinden33 wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
>
> When is ARS this year?
>
May 18-21
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure |
Mark,
Although you are correct in saying we all know why the gear collapses on the landing/roll
out/taxi, I think it is inappropriate to imply that Mick used an incorrectly
assembled actuator as the cause of the incident and then proceeded to
tell the world what happened. I seriously doubt very many of us would bother
to tell the world we had a wing drop to the ground if it was caused by pure
pilot error. I for one believe Mick and appreciate him advising us of what he
found during his investigation. Heck, he even admitted he had the gear handle
in neutral.
The reason why this never occurred in the previous 32 hours of operation was because
the gear handle was most likely never in the neutral position before while
the airplane was landing, rolling out or taxiing. If Mick had put the gear
handle in the DOWN position, there would have been an adequate amount of air
pressure on the down side of the actuator to prevent this from happening.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk
To: 'YAK USA LIST'
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 2:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 r/h gear failure
Gents, take this with a pinch of salt, ask the witnesses to this pilot/ mechanic
accident. There is a lot of BS and "pride/ reputation" trying to be protected
here.
BTW, I have just has a gear ram on the bench and assembled it wrongly for a test.
We all know why the gear collapses on the landing/ taxi role don't we ? No if
and buts, this accident was entialy pilot error.
Take care and fly with hull insurance, we can all make mistakes.
Time:
04:03:29 AM PST US
Subject:
Yak 52 r/h gear failure
From:
"Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
for those of you that might be interested. Just before xmas I was
test flying a yak 52 for a customer after service. On the landing roll
the right gear collapsed at on roll out. To cut a long storey short, the
aircraft in question was 32 hours old.. the right gear actuating Ram had
the internal locking collar assembled 180 degrees out. The result of this
incorrect assembly meant that with a sharp bump the gear could unlock
and retract . And yes before you ask .. the gear selector was in the neatural
position. ( yes I know it's not supposed to be ). The fault was not
picked up during normal servicing of the aircraft. The gear reacted normally
to retraction and extension checks both normal and emergency. When
the gear was down and the air pressure removed from the down side of the
ram the gear could be unlocked by a sharp blow with the palm of your hand
on the drag brace at the ram attach point. I might add that in this same
position you could literally kick the gear from behind attempting to retract
it and it would not move... it was only with a blow to the drag brace
that the gear unlocked. Fortunately in this case the aircraft was
travelling slowly when it collapsed and caused only minor damage to wing
tip and aileron. If you would like any further info or pictures of the
ram. pm me with your email address and I will forward them on to you.
Finaly, as stated earlier the aircraft had only done 32 hours from new and
it appears that the ram has come out of the Factory like this. One to check
on, next your Yak 52 in for a service.. :(
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Mick,
Don't ever apologize for sharing your experience. I most definitely
appreciate it. But I must say this. If the gear handle had been in the
DOWN position at the time, the incident would have not occurred because
there would have been air pressure on the down side of the actuator. That
is why this never occurred in the previous 32 hours of operation. The only
way you would have found out would be either on jacks with the gear handle
in neutral and you specifically pushed on the drag link in an effort to test
the locking mechanism of the actuator. Or of course, the way you found out
about it ie: the hard way.
Thanks for sharing with us.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:21 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
>
> this is what you get for trying to keep others from suffering the same
> fate.... all you have to do to test it is as i said. the system was re
> installed as I have described for a demonstration for the insurance
> company and OTHER NON BELIEVERS....... and yes the witness's to the
> accident were there and NOW have appologised to me for the roumors that
> were being spread. They have no doubt that it occured. I hope that
> others are not as cynical as you,,, there were non beleivers here too...
> But not any more. Oh and I take my job seriously.... I am an Aircraft
> Engineer and peoples lives depend on me.... what use is it for me to Lie
> about this sort of thing. If this is the sort of reply that im going to
> get off this site then in future I will keep the information to myself and
> let you deal with the posssible consequenc's later. I posted this info
> after one of the non believers told me about the site....... Sorry for
> trying to help out and prevent the same from occuring again!
> ......
>
> --------
> Once you have experienced flight you will forever walk this earth with
> your eyes turned skyward for it is there that you have been and there
> that you long to return !
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5425#5425
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:59 PM, Gus wrote:
> just think what we would
> have done with this place :)))
You tried that once already....I think had you succeeded most of us
west of Louisiana would be under Vincente Fox's rule!!!!
God
Bless George Washington and the Founding Fathers. Just think about how
complicated our flying machines would all be had they not succeeded!
Ever seen the insides of a Spitfire, Sea Fury, or Gnat?
GEEESSH!!!!!!!!!!!
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: All Red Star |
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
>
> When is ARS this year?
Good question! We have tentatively scheduled for the 17-21 of
May....the now traditional weekend after Mother's Day. However, there
are two issues. The CAF traditionally has their TRARON at Castle the
weekend before Memorial Day, and this year that creates a conflict
between the events.
Second, Castle Airport has rented their facilities to a couple of
flight schools, which forces us off base as of this time. I don't like
it, but only being there 5 days out of 365 doesn't give us much pull.
I am trying to negotiate them opening up other housing facilities on
base, but that is wrought with issues (getting them cleaned and
functional being the main one!). They would be a bit nicer than the
dorms facilities wise, but they haven't been used in a while and it
would take some effort to get them in shape. I'm awaiting a response
from the county as to their willingness to do this. I have given them
notice that they have until Wednesday of next week to give me a
decision.
Assuming this does not happen, we have two choices. Move the event to
another location and have it on the 17-21, or change weekends and have
it at Castle with housing at a local hotel. Due to the general lack of
support and enthusiasm from the county of Merced, we are inclined to
move the venue and keep the dates.
You may recall that last year we had 11th hour rate hikes by the county
that jeopardized the economic feasibility of the event and also
significantly delayed registration. This year we are adamant about
getting registration open by mid-February.
I personally do not want to leave Castle as it is a unique venue.
However, we have a very creative and fun staff, so I'm sure we'll be
able to keep the spirit of the event where ever we go.
BTW, I just got an email from Brian Shul who has reconfirmed his
availability for the event as the keynote speaker. Brian is the best
public speaker/pilot I have ever heard and he has the best aviation
book I've ever seen. We're very excited to have him committed.
(www.sleddriver.com)
Soooo, gang. Hang tight. I'll keep you posted on our progress and
have a firm date/venue for us in the near future!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Event Director
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
www.allredstar.com
"A Unique Aviation Experience"
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| Subject: | Re: All Red Star |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
How about the old George AFB? If I remember right, there is tons of open skies
around the place and they had just done some updating to the place before the
closed it.
Barry, let me know if I can help again this year.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5467#5467
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure |
Mark;
I tend to agree with Dennis on this one. Sure emough it was pilot error for not
having the handle in the down position. But to say it was ENTIRELY pilot error
is a stretch. If the ball lock was correctly assembled AND not function tested
after assembly it would not likely have happened. Seems that there were two
equally contributing screw up's in this case and as you said we can all make
mistakes. I think Mick deserves our respect
for bring it to our attention.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk
To: 'YAK USA LIST'
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 r/h gear failure
Gents, take this with a pinch of salt, ask the witnesses to this pilot/ mechanic
accident. There is a lot of BS and "pride/ reputation" trying to be protected
here.
BTW, I have just has a gear ram on the bench and assembled it wrongly for a test.
We all know why the gear collapses on the landing/ taxi role don't we ? No if
and buts, this accident was entialy pilot error.
Take care and fly with hull insurance, we can all make mistakes.
Time:
04:03:29 AM PST US
Subject:
Yak 52 r/h gear failure
From:
"Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
for those of you that might be interested. Just before xmas I was
test flying a yak 52 for a customer after service. On the landing roll
the right gear collapsed at on roll out. To cut a long storey short, the
aircraft in question was 32 hours old.. the right gear actuating Ram had
the internal locking collar assembled 180 degrees out. The result of this
incorrect assembly meant that with a sharp bump the gear could unlock
and retract . And yes before you ask .. the gear selector was in the neatural
position. ( yes I know it's not supposed to be ). The fault was not
picked up during normal servicing of the aircraft. The gear reacted normally
to retraction and extension checks both normal and emergency. When
the gear was down and the air pressure removed from the down side of the
ram the gear could be unlocked by a sharp blow with the palm of your hand
on the drag brace at the ram attach point. I might add that in this same
position you could literally kick the gear from behind attempting to retract
it and it would not move... it was only with a blow to the drag brace
that the gear unlocked. Fortunately in this case the aircraft was
travelling slowly when it collapsed and caused only minor damage to wing
tip and aileron. If you would like any further info or pictures of the
ram. pm me with your email address and I will forward them on to you.
Finaly, as stated earlier the aircraft had only done 32 hours from new and
it appears that the ram has come out of the Factory like this. One to check
on, next your Yak 52 in for a service.. :(
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Ladies and Gents out in the boonies I have another video for you, (just in
case UR TV is cr@p) yesterdays one went down quite well I think, approx 180
views. Thanks to those that passed compliments. (did you know you can
download to UR PC and keep?)
That vid set the standard that we expect to see you chaps post to Google
from your side of the world, even down under can join in if they wish. Team
NZ I know is good. I believe there are some "hot shots" on the left side
that talk a good fight, lets see some nicely edited footage.
Anyway, I ramble on. We do have some Muppets in the UK also, here some are:-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7006498580767303146 (ends in 6)
have a good weekend, bye......
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Walter Lannon wrote:
> Mark;
>
> I tend to agree with Dennis on this one. Sure emough it was pilot error
> for not having the handle in the down position. But to say it was
> ENTIRELY pilot error is a stretch.
We do rather seem to want to lay blame here a lot. I winced when Mick
said he had the gear handle in the neutral position but I figured that
was pretty obvious and didn't need me to rub his face in it. I think it
is useful to know that it is possible to assemble the gear actuator lock
backwards and beating up on Mick seems a bit unnecessary.
If we beat up on everyone who admits to pilot error but provides
otherwise good information, eventually no one will ever provide information.
I have made plenty of errors when flying but have been lucky and never
bent an airplane. Errors you survive are fodder for training others to
avoid those errors.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Mark Jefferies YAK Uk wrote:
> Anyway, I ramble on. We do have some Muppets in the UK also, here some are:-
>
>
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7006498580767303146 (ends in 6)
Some damn fine cinematography there. I especially like the effect where
the camera focuses on the crazing in the canopy perspex. The T-shirt is
a nice touch too. And I like the fact that things are kinda moving
around. It implies speed. Yesterday's vid had all the planes moving
smoothly together. How boring is that!
Good show! We want more!
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
Worry....one of the guys featured is a big passenger jet Pilot too
!!!!!!!!!!!
kp
ps. the GIB is permanently looking away from the camera ship.......fear ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: beginners
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Mark Jefferies YAK Uk wrote:
>
>> Anyway, I ramble on. We do have some Muppets in the UK also, here some
>> are:-
>>
>>
>>
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7006498580767303146 (ends in 6)
>
> Some damn fine cinematography there. I especially like the effect where
> the camera focuses on the crazing in the canopy perspex. The T-shirt is
> a nice touch too. And I like the fact that things are kinda moving
> around. It implies speed. Yesterday's vid had all the planes moving
> smoothly together. How boring is that!
>
> Good show! We want more!
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
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Hey Mark,
Should have some coming your way soon from AYS, Red Stars, Red Air and assorted
airshows.
Got a neet little lipstick video camara the other day to record one's buffonery!
Chec 6,
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk
Sent: 1/20/2006 11:49:48 AM
Subject: Yak-List: beginners
Ladies and Gents out in the boonies I have another video for you, (just in case
UR TV is cr@p) yesterdays one went down quite well I think, approx 180 views.
Thanks to those that passed compliments. (did you know you can download to UR
PC and keep?)
That vid set the standard that we expect to see you chaps post to Google from your
side of the world, even down under can join in if they wish. Team NZ I know
is good. I believe there are some hot shots on the left side that talk a good
fight, lets see some nicely edited footage.
Anyway, I ramble on. We do have some Muppets in the UK also, here some are:-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7006498580767303146 (ends in 6)
have a good weekend, bye.
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure |
Well said,
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
Sent: 1/20/2006 11:36:41 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 r/h gear failure
Mark;
I tend to agree with Dennis on this one. Sure emough it was pilot error for not
having the handle in the down position. But to say it was ENTIRELY pilot error
is a stretch. If the ball lock was correctly assembled AND not function tested
after assembly it would not likely have happened. Seems that there were two
equally contributing screw up's in this case and as you said we can all make
mistakes. I think Mick deserves our respect
for bring it to our attention.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 r/h gear failure
Gents, take this with a pinch of salt, ask the witnesses to this pilot/ mechanic
accident. There is a lot of BS and pride/ reputation trying to be protected
here.
BTW, I have just has a gear ram on the bench and assembled it wrongly for a test.
We all know why the gear collapses on the landing/ taxi role don't we ? No if and
buts, this accident was entialy pilot error.
Take care and fly with hull insurance, we can all make mistakes.
Time: 04:03:29 AM PST US
Subject: Yak 52 r/h gear failure
From: "Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
for those of you that might be interested. Just before xmas I was test flying
a yak 52 for a customer after service. On the landing roll the right gear
collapsed
at on roll out. To cut a long storey short, the aircraft in question was
32 hours old.. the right gear actuating Ram had the internal locking collar
assembled 180 degrees out. The result of this incorrect assembly meant that
with
a sharp bump the gear could unlock and retract . And yes before you ask
..
the gear selector was in the neatural position. ( yes I know it's not supposed
to be ). The fault was not picked up during normal servicing of the aircraft.
The gear reacted normally to retraction and extension checks both normal
and emergency. When the gear was down and the air pressure removed from
the down
side of the ram the gear could be unlocked by a sharp blow with the palm
of
your hand on the drag brace at the ram attach point. I might add that in
this
same position you could literally kick the gear from behind attempting to
retract
it and it would not move... it was only with a blow to the drag brace that
the gear unlocked.
Fortunately in this case the aircraft was travelling slowly when it collapsed
and
caused only minor damage to wing tip and aileron.
If you would like any further info or pictures of the ram. pm me with your
email
address and I will forward them on to you.
Finaly, as stated earlier the aircraft had only done 32 hours from new and
it appears
that the ram has come out of the Factory like this. One to check on, next
your Yak 52 in for a service.. :(
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Again, well said. That is what safety is all about...reviewing the mistakes
of others (yourself included) and hopefully not repeating them.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/20/2006 12:05:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 r/h gear failure
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Walter Lannon wrote:
> > Mark;
> >
> > I tend to agree with Dennis on this one. Sure emough it was pilot error
> > for not having the handle in the down position. But to say it was
> > ENTIRELY pilot error is a stretch.
>
> We do rather seem to want to lay blame here a lot. I winced when Mick
> said he had the gear handle in the neutral position but I figured that
> was pretty obvious and didn't need me to rub his face in it. I think it
> is useful to know that it is possible to assemble the gear actuator lock
> backwards and beating up on Mick seems a bit unnecessary.
>
> If we beat up on everyone who admits to pilot error but provides
> otherwise good information, eventually no one will ever provide
information.
>
> I have made plenty of errors when flying but have been lucky and never
> bent an airplane. Errors you survive are fodder for training others to
> avoid those errors.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure |
Agree 100% Walt.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 r/h gear failure
Mark;
I tend to agree with Dennis on this one. Sure emough it was pilot error for not
having the handle in the down position. But to say it was ENTIRELY pilot error
is a stretch. If the ball lock was correctly assembled AND not function tested
after assembly it would not likely have happened. Seems that there were
two equally contributing screw up's in this case and as you said we can all make
mistakes. I think Mick deserves our respect
for bring it to our attention.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk
To: 'YAK USA LIST'
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:54 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 r/h gear failure
Gents, take this with a pinch of salt, ask the witnesses to this pilot/ mechanic
accident. There is a lot of BS and "pride/ reputation" trying to be protected
here.
BTW, I have just has a gear ram on the bench and assembled it wrongly for a
test.
We all know why the gear collapses on the landing/ taxi role don't we ? No
if and buts, this accident was entialy pilot error.
Take care and fly with hull insurance, we can all make mistakes.
Time:
04:03:29 AM PST US
Subject:
Yak 52 r/h gear failure
From:
"Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
for those of you that might be interested. Just before xmas I was
test flying a yak 52 for a customer after service. On the landing roll
the right gear collapsed at on roll out. To cut a long storey short, the
aircraft in question was 32 hours old.. the right gear actuating Ram had
the internal locking collar assembled 180 degrees out. The result of this
incorrect assembly meant that with a sharp bump the gear could unlock
and retract . And yes before you ask .. the gear selector was in the neatural
position. ( yes I know it's not supposed to be ). The fault was not
picked up during normal servicing of the aircraft. The gear reacted normally
to retraction and extension checks both normal and emergency. When
the gear was down and the air pressure removed from the down side of the
ram the gear could be unlocked by a sharp blow with the palm of your hand
on the drag brace at the ram attach point. I might add that in this same
position you could literally kick the gear from behind attempting to retract
it and it would not move... it was only with a blow to the drag brace
that the gear unlocked. Fortunately in this case the aircraft was
travelling slowly when it collapsed and caused only minor damage to wing
tip and aileron. If you would like any further info or pictures of the
ram. pm me with your email address and I will forward them on to you.
Finaly, as stated earlier the aircraft had only done 32 hours from new and
it appears that the ram has come out of the Factory like this. One to check
on, next your Yak 52 in for a service.. :(
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Brian;
I hope you are not suggesting I am beating up on Mick. I thought I made it
quite clear in the last half of my post that was not the case.
You cut that part for brevity. Good idea but in this case maybe changed the
message.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 r/h gear failure
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Walter Lannon wrote:
>> Mark;
>>
>> I tend to agree with Dennis on this one. Sure emough it was pilot error
>> for not having the handle in the down position. But to say it was
>> ENTIRELY pilot error is a stretch.
>
> We do rather seem to want to lay blame here a lot. I winced when Mick
> said he had the gear handle in the neutral position but I figured that
> was pretty obvious and didn't need me to rub his face in it. I think it
> is useful to know that it is possible to assemble the gear actuator lock
> backwards and beating up on Mick seems a bit unnecessary.
>
> If we beat up on everyone who admits to pilot error but provides
> otherwise good information, eventually no one will ever provide
> information.
>
> I have made plenty of errors when flying but have been lucky and never
> bent an airplane. Errors you survive are fodder for training others to
> avoid those errors.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Kevin Pilling wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
>
> Worry....one of the guys featured is a big passenger jet Pilot too
> !!!!!!!!!!!
>
> kp
>
> ps. the GIB is permanently looking away from the camera ship.......fear ?
No, he is afraid he might be recognized.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
On second thought, if it is Roger we are beating up on then it is OK.
(Wink wink, nudge nudge)
Dogmatic: remember, we only hurt the ones we love. ;-)
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Walter Lannon wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> Brian;
>
> I hope you are not suggesting I am beating up on Mick. I thought I made
> it quite clear in the last half of my post that was not the case.
> You cut that part for brevity. Good idea but in this case maybe changed
> the message.
Sorry, no. I apologize if it gave anyone that impression. I forget who
it was that made a more vociferous comment about it being pilot error
but felt the need to comment and yours was the only one lefts in this
thread when I replied.
I had originally cut it to just the first sentence but felt that would
have indeed implied that you were doing what I was complaining about and
that was definitely not the case.
Again, sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I thought your posting was
useful.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: All Red Star |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dee L. Conger" <dee@ansatainc.com>
Having flown F-4s at George, I can attest that it is a great place to
fly. Downsides are that it is very high - if I remember correctly, the
field elevation is around 5,000'. Also, it is usually quite windy,
which might be "sporty" for some of the participants. Also going to be
HOT that time of year.
Other than that, there is outstanding terrain and great low level
flying.
Bones
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:34 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: All Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
How about the old George AFB? If I remember right, there is tons of open
skies around the place and they had just done some updating to the place
before the closed it.
Barry, let me know if I can help again this year.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5467#5467
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakmech" <mjpoole@hunterlink.net.au>
Thanks gents..
--------
Once you have experienced flight you will forever walk this earth with your eyes
turned skyward for it is there that you have been and there that you long to
return !
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5532#5532
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| Subject: | Re: All Red Star |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Dee L. Conger wrote:
> Downsides are that it is very high - if I remember correctly, the
> field elevation is around 5,000'.
2,885'
> Also, it is usually quite windy,
True.
> which might be "sporty" for some of the participants. Also going to be
> HOT that time of year.
There aren't many good motels nearby either.
> Other than that, there is outstanding terrain and great low level
> flying.
The weather will be good, that is for sure.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Straight and level |
hi KP
how are things,
not bought a hunter yet after our formo trip last year?
gerald
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| Subject: | Straight and level |
Last time I was in a Hunter T2 it was through the mountains in Wales,
awesome fun.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gpw678@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Straight and level
hi KP
how are things,
not bought a hunter yet after our formo trip last year?
gerald
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Last time I was in a
Hunter T2 it was through the mountains in Wales, awesome fun.
Gus
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Gpw678@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:19
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hi KP
how are things,
not bought a hunter yet after our formo trip last year?
gerald
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| Subject: | Re: Straight and level |
it was most likley a T7 or T8 and I must agree, the Welsh Valleys are the
best fun you can have with your clothes on!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Altitude Chamber locations |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
Thanks for posting this Sarah. Terrific info. -Robert
Starnes
--- Sarah Tobin <vorchaser@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Sarah Tobin"
> <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
>
> Where to get Training:
>
> The FAA and the U.S. Air Force have a joint training
> agreement to offer
> high-altitude, hypobaric chamber training to
> civilians for a nominal $35.00
> fee. Applicants should contact FAA Aeromedical
> Education Division (AAM-400),
> Airman Education Programs, Civil Aeromedical
> Institute, Oklahoma City, Okla.
> at (405) 954-4837 to schedule training sessions at
> any of the following
> facilities:
>
> Beale AFB, Marysville, Calif.
> Brooks AFB, San Antonio, Texas
> Columbus AFB, Columbus, Mich.
> Fairchild AFB, Spokane, Wash.
> Holloman AFB, Alamogordo, N.M
> Langley AFB, Norfolk, Va.
> Laughlin AFB, Del Rio, Texas
> Little Rock AFB, Little Rock, Ark.
> Mike Monroney Aeronautical Ctr., Okla.
> Offutt AFB, Omaha, Neb.
> Peterson AFB, Colorado Springs, Colo.
> Randolph AFB, San Antonio, Texas
> Shaw AFB, Columbus, S.C.
> Sheppard AFB, Wichita Falls, Texas
> Tyndall AFB, Panama City, Fla.
> Vance AFB, Enid, Okla.
> Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, Ohio
>
> Note: All personnel must have a current flight
> physical and a current DA
> Form 4186 (Medical Recommendation for Flying Duty)
> indicating FFD before
> participating in any hypobaric chamber exercise.
>
>
> Smash
>
>
> >From: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Yak-List: More sickness.
> >Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:05:14 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes
> <a35plt@yahoo.com>
> >
> >When the ViperDoc and Brain get done whizzing all
> over
> >each other's shoes I would like some info as to who
> I
> >can contact to get a chamber ride.
> > Sure I'm not the only one wondering this... BTW
> >sounds like if you fly a jet this should almost be
> >mandatory.
> > -Robert Starnes
> >
>
>
> Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN
> Search!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> browse
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>
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| Subject: | Altitude Chamber locations (Centrifuge) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Does the same thing exist for a centrifuge ?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:17 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Altitude Chamber locations
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sarah Tobin" <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
Where to get Training:
The FAA and the U.S. Air Force have a joint training agreement to offer
high-altitude, hypobaric chamber training to civilians for a nominal $35.00
fee. Applicants should contact FAA Aeromedical Education Division (AAM-400),
Airman Education Programs, Civil Aeromedical Institute, Oklahoma City, Okla.
at (405) 954-4837 to schedule training sessions at any of the following
facilities:
Beale AFB, Marysville, Calif.
Brooks AFB, San Antonio, Texas
Columbus AFB, Columbus, Mich.
Fairchild AFB, Spokane, Wash.
Holloman AFB, Alamogordo, N.M
Langley AFB, Norfolk, Va.
Laughlin AFB, Del Rio, Texas
Little Rock AFB, Little Rock, Ark.
Mike Monroney Aeronautical Ctr., Okla.
Offutt AFB, Omaha, Neb.
Peterson AFB, Colorado Springs, Colo.
Randolph AFB, San Antonio, Texas
Shaw AFB, Columbus, S.C.
Sheppard AFB, Wichita Falls, Texas
Tyndall AFB, Panama City, Fla.
Vance AFB, Enid, Okla.
Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, Ohio
Note: All personnel must have a current flight physical and a current DA
Form 4186 (Medical Recommendation for Flying Duty) indicating FFD before
participating in any hypobaric chamber exercise.
Smash
>From: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: More sickness.
>Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:05:14 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
>
>When the ViperDoc and Brain get done whizzing all over each other's
>shoes I would like some info as to who I can contact to get a chamber
>ride.
> Sure I'm not the only one wondering this... BTW sounds like if you
>fly a jet this should almost be mandatory.
> -Robert Starnes
>
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| Subject: | Re: All Red Star |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
George is at 2500 and nice in May. July and August are another story.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee L. Conger
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: All Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dee L. Conger" <dee@ansatainc.com>
Having flown F-4s at George, I can attest that it is a great place to fly.
Downsides are that it is very high - if I remember correctly, the field
elevation is around 5,000'. Also, it is usually quite windy, which might be
"sporty" for some of the participants. Also going to be HOT that time of
year.
Other than that, there is outstanding terrain and great low level flying.
Bones
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 7:34 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: All Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
How about the old George AFB? If I remember right, there is tons of open
skies around the place and they had just done some updating to the place
before the closed it.
Barry, let me know if I can help again this year.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=5467#5467
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Yuk Yuk Yuk
doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/20/2006 12:49:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 r/h gear failure
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> On second thought, if it is Roger we are beating up on then it is OK.
>
> (Wink wink, nudge nudge)
>
> Dogmatic: remember, we only hurt the ones we love. ;-)
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: <mjbjhf@charter.net>
ok all of you yak and CJ experts, I'm looking for any pointers you might have out
there. I'm getting ready to crank up a new M14 just installed on my CJ. Hopefully
monday or tuesday. I have a great mechanic that has done a great job,
but never hurts to ask others with experience. Mainly wanting to find out if
there are any speacial oil pump priming proceedures that we do not know about.
Looking forward to your feed back
Michael Bolton
"If it doesn't sound round, WHY LOOK"
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| Subject: | Altitude Chamber locations (Centrifuge) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Walt,
The centrifuge at Brooks USAF School of Aerospace medicine occassionally
ask for volunteers for centrfuge rides. I have never heard of a civilian
getting in the centrfuge unless there is a specific training or
physiological profile that they want to look at. It being Fri @ 1800, there
is no way for me to ask the question. The answer is most likely not! I know
you are pulling some healthy G's with your Sukoi and all.
I can promise you the centrifuge is not anything like G's in the plane.
They hurt worse! After 2 trips to the "fuge", my fun meter has been pegged
for life!
Why two trips to the centrifuge you ask...A F 106 driver in my F-15
squadron decided to put himself to sleep in a pitchback at FL210. He woke
up at FL430 enough to respond to Rudy Youngman's call's to roll out. Seems
the squadron CC felt that I needed to go to the "Fuge" so I could come back
and better teach anti-G training to the B coursers. Go figure, I was
already pulling 9 G's and doing damned fine at it in the 310th (my F-16
squadron) at that time. Besides the aluminum aircraft carrier on goes there
when they are scared shitless!
The second time, seems the Guard in 1988 required you to go thru the "fuge"
when converting to the F-16, A-10 or F-15. I had been in the 160th for 9 mo
at this time. We were converting from F4's to Vipers. Got to make the trip
to Brooks once again, even though my flight records were anotated for the
intial punishment and I had the VTR to prove it! Well, now I have two
T-shirts and two video's to prove it..AGAIN! T-shirt reads "spun dry by
USAFSAM department of PHYSIOLOGY!"
Thanks but not thanks. They got all the cardiac and BP monitoring from me
to last the rest of my Life! They had a hayday with me being a flt
doc...medical science and knowledge an all!
TMFI I know!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Fraser, Gus <gus.fraser@gs.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 1/20/2006 4:13:43 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Altitude Chamber locations (Centrifuge)
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> Does the same thing exist for a centrifuge ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:17 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Altitude Chamber locations
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Sarah Tobin" <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
>
> Where to get Training:
>
> The FAA and the U.S. Air Force have a joint training agreement to offer
> high-altitude, hypobaric chamber training to civilians for a nominal
$35.00
> fee. Applicants should contact FAA Aeromedical Education Division
(AAM-400),
> Airman Education Programs, Civil Aeromedical Institute, Oklahoma City,
Okla.
>
> at (405) 954-4837 to schedule training sessions at any of the following
> facilities:
>
> Beale AFB, Marysville, Calif.
> Brooks AFB, San Antonio, Texas
> Columbus AFB, Columbus, Mich.
> Fairchild AFB, Spokane, Wash.
> Holloman AFB, Alamogordo, N.M
> Langley AFB, Norfolk, Va.
> Laughlin AFB, Del Rio, Texas
> Little Rock AFB, Little Rock, Ark.
> Mike Monroney Aeronautical Ctr., Okla.
> Offutt AFB, Omaha, Neb.
> Peterson AFB, Colorado Springs, Colo.
> Randolph AFB, San Antonio, Texas
> Shaw AFB, Columbus, S.C.
> Sheppard AFB, Wichita Falls, Texas
> Tyndall AFB, Panama City, Fla.
> Vance AFB, Enid, Okla.
> Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, Ohio
>
> Note: All personnel must have a current flight physical and a current DA
> Form 4186 (Medical Recommendation for Flying Duty) indicating FFD before
> participating in any hypobaric chamber exercise.
>
>
> Smash
>
>
> >From: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Yak-List: More sickness.
> >Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:05:14 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
> >
> >When the ViperDoc and Brain get done whizzing all over each other's
> >shoes I would like some info as to who I can contact to get a chamber
> >ride.
> > Sure I'm not the only one wondering this... BTW sounds like if you
> >fly a jet this should almost be mandatory.
> > -Robert Starnes
> >
>
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| Subject: | Trying to contact Steve Fox |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Steve,
Please contact me off list or call me.
Thanks
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-2141 Office
334-546-8182 Mobile
www.yak-52.com
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