---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/25/06: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:58 AM - Handheld Radio Deals (Tim Gagnon) 2. 10:06 AM - Yak52 TW Owners Group (David McGirt) 3. 11:24 AM - Re: Yak52 TW Owners Group (A. Dennis Savarese) 4. 11:45 AM - Re: Yak52 TW Owners Group (joffice@aol.com) 5. 12:28 PM - Re: Yak52 TW Owners Group (David McGirt) 6. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: bureaucrats (Ron Davis) 7. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Ron Davis) 8. 02:13 PM - Fw: Fw: link (cjpilot710@aol.com) 9. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure (Fraser, Gus) 10. 02:24 PM - Dan Fortin? (Richard Basiliere) 11. 02:54 PM - Sun n Fun Housing (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:32 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Handheld Radio Deals From: "Tim Gagnon" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" Folks, As a carryover from my old pilot supply business, I have been offered the following deal on handheld radios. I am passing this deal on to you. I will not make a single dime on this deal. I just wanted to share this with you guys. They may be good for a suvival vest?? As I am rebuilding the business (hard to run while your deployed to the desert for an extended period of time.), I cannot accept credit cards other than through PayPal. Checks or money orders are always welcomed. If anyone is interested, I will place a mass order at the end of the month. Here are the following models available: Vertex Standard http://www.vertexstandard.com/?cmd=DivisionHome&DivisionID=2 VXA-210 $195.00 (discontinued but there is a small stock available) VXA-150 $198.25 VXA-710 $357.50 VXA-300 $256.75 When I finish putting my small little business back together, I will let everyone know. RPA members will get supplies at cost. Tim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6731#6731 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:43 AM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: Yak-List: Yak52 TW Owners Group I have put together a small list for 52TW owners. So we can discuss issues and things specific to the 52TW, and not clog the RedStar list ect Please feel free to join, or please pass along to any 52TW owners you know. http://groups.google.com/group/Yak-52-TW-Owners-Group David McGirt Yak 52TW Atlanta, GA ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:49 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak52 TW Owners Group David, Although I did join the group I would like to suggest you not take the technical discussions off the Yak list pertaining to the 52 TW. You certainly won't be clogging up the list with technical discussions. Many of the TW issues are also common to the standard Yak 52's and I'm sure many of the people flying both TW's, W's and standard Yaks would like to be able to commonly share information with all other owners of all 52's. Additionally, there are many, many people who maintain many types of aircraft, including TW's, on the list that can potentially offer solutions which may be beneficial. FWIW, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: David McGirt To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: Yak-List: Yak52 TW Owners Group I have put together a small list for 52TW owners. So we can discuss issues and things specific to the 52TW, and not clog the RedStar list ect Please feel free to join, or please pass along to any 52TW owners you know. http://groups.google.com/group/Yak-52-TW-Owners-Group David McGirt Yak 52TW Atlanta, GA ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:51 AM PST US From: joffice@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak52 TW Owners Group Dennis & David- I wholeheartedly concur with Dennis; even those of us who are not (currently) YAK-owners stand to learn from the technical postings. A single-source of distribution for all things YAK would better serve my needs. Thanks for your efforts on the -TW. BTW, have you had any problems with the gear-door hinges? We have a potential fix... Jon Lowrey -----Original Message----- From: A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:23:28 -0600 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak52 TW Owners Group David, Although I did join the group I would like to suggest you not take the technical discussions off the Yak list pertaining to the 52 TW. You certainly won't be clogging up the list with technical discussions. Many of the TW issues are also common to the standard Yak 52's and I'm sure many of the people flying both TW's, W's and standard Yaks would like to be able to commonly share information with all other owners of all 52's. Additionally, there are many, many people who maintain many types of aircraft, including TW's, on the list that can potentially offer solutions which may be beneficial. FWIW, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: David McGirt Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: Yak-List: Yak52 TW Owners Group I have put together a small list for 52TW owners. So we can discuss issues and things specific to the 52TW, and not clog the RedStar list ect Please feel free to join, or please pass along to any 52TW owners you know. http://groups.google.com/group/Yak-52-TW-Owners-Group David McGirt Yak 52TW Atlanta, GA ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:43 PM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak52 TW Owners Group Good Points Jon & Dennis, I will try to use both.. I think there is a lot of discussions about the oil cooler location , and tricks there that will be a little painful for all, but I think it would be helpful to post important findings for all.. David _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of joffice@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak52 TW Owners Group Dennis & David- I wholeheartedly concur with Dennis; even those of us who are not (currently) YAK-owners stand to learn from the technical postings. A single-source of distribution for all things YAK would better serve my needs. Thanks for your efforts on the -TW. BTW, have you had any problems with the gear-door hinges? We have a potential fix... Jon Lowrey -----Original Message----- From: A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:23:28 -0600 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak52 TW Owners Group David, Although I did join the group I would like to suggest you not take the technical discussions off the Yak list pertaining to the 52 TW. You certainly won't be clogging up the list with technical discussions. Many of the TW issues are also common to the standard Yak 52's and I'm sure many of the people flying both TW's, W's and standard Yaks would like to be able to commonly share information with all other owners of all 52's. Additionally, there are many, many people who maintain many types of aircraft, including TW's, on the list that can potentially offer solutions which may be beneficial. FWIW, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: David McGirt yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: Yak-List: Yak52 TW Owners Group I have put together a small list for 52TW owners. So we can discuss issues and things specific to the 52TW, and not clog the RedStar list ect Please feel free to join, or please pass along to any 52TW owners you know. http://groups.google.com/group/Yak-52-TW-Owners-Group David McGirt Yak 52TW Atlanta, GA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:57 PM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: bureaucrats Doug offers good advice- in theory, but: Holding a geiger counter up to the knob doesn't tell what you want to know. The amount of radioactivity on the handle cannot possibly affect your lifespan IF IT STAYS ON THE HANDLE. What you want to know is if it is staying there or flaking off. This is done by wiping the handle with a small cloth swab and then putting the swab in an instrument. This needs to be done by someone who knows what he is doing. If the cloth is clean then the radioactive material is still on the handle and you have no problem. If it is coming off, you should do something. Something would be fix it all back in place (paint over it), replace the knob with one in good condition, and as a last resort remove the radioactivity. Removing is the last choice because those of you who aren't trained radiation workers (this will be roughly all of you?) will end up getting it all over yourself, gloves or not. This isn't going to make you keel over in the forseeable future, but it's better if you don't. Radium in the amounts on instruments (or 100 times that amount) doesn't pose a significant hazard on your skin. It is quantifyably bad for you to get it in your mouth, nose, eyes or in a wound. It's worse to get it in your lungs, but that isn't going to make you keel over next year either. Cancer has a long latency period. Cigarettes cause cancer, but not in everyone and not very fast in anyone. Water will not dissolve radium or the binder that it's in. You would need solvents or abrasives. The suggestion to dispose of the stuff in the "proper manner" is good advice. The " " I presume is one of those internet emoticons for wink, wink or nudge, nudge. A great many hazardous materials are less hazardous where they are than when you start messing with them. This includes your radium throttle, unless it's flaking off. As for flight instruments, even if the radium is flaking off, it stays in the case, so there's no hazard unless you disassemble it. >My suggestion is the same now as it was then, GET YOUR AIRCRAFT CHECKED WITH A GEIGER COUNTER. If >it's hot, remove the handles, submerge them in water, wear long rubber gloves, remove all the "white stuff" from the >groves on the knobs, dispose of the gloves, brushes, water and white stuff in the "proper manner", recheck the >handles and re clean if necessary. Or throw them away ("in the proper manner") and buy the late model ones that >are free of radium. ----- Original Message ----- From: doug sapp To: Roger Baker ; Yak list Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: Yak-List: RE: bureaucrats ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:14 PM PST US From: "Ron Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" Air Speed indicator? In the long list of things that wreak havok when they fail on an airplane, I don't personally see how an airspeed indicator made it to number 3 on your list. I'll conceed that it's not as bad as an air bottle blowing up or a prop disintegrating, but there are several hundred parts I think I need more than an A/S indicator to safely get back to terra firma. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fraser, Gus" Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" > > Here is Marks list of lifed items > > http://www.yakuk.com/lifeitems.asp > > Gus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:56 AM > To: 'yak-list@matronics.com' > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" > > I agree, > If it is in 6 years as opposed to 5, given a good hanger environment etc > etc, is it going to fail ? Probably not but there are aircraft operating > in > the US that have been out of overhaul for getting on for 10 years, how > many > of those have had all the required preventative maintenance ? > > As far as this stuff goes spread the love, do one oleo this year, another > next year and so on. Otherwise the sticker shock of doing it all at once > will really hurt. > > Gus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans Oortman > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:36 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" > > Gus, > > Mark is right of course, lifed items should be replaced. > > On the other hand though: in the previous Sovjet Union maintenance > programs > for aircraft were in first instance not set up for the sake of the > aircraft, > i.e. technically required, but for the sake of employment, i.e. keeping > everybody at work...... > > On our Yak (RA3326K previous a.k.a LY-AQC) we do replace lifed items > according to the book though.... > > Hans O. > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Fraser, Gus > Verzonden: maandag 23 januari 2006 15:01 > Aan: 'yak-list@matronics.com' > Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" > > Mark raises what is almost the single most serious point with ongoing > maintenance of these aircraft, regardless of country of origin. That is > the > issue of lifed items. > > Now how many of you out there are riding around fat dumb and stupid with > seals over 5 years old, fuel lines that have exceeded useful life. These > aircraft have a considerable list of items that need to be changed on > spec, > how many of you are doing that ? > > Mark can you post a list of lifed items for Yak aircraft as I think it > will > shock some subscribers. As Mark mentions it will not take long for > insurance > companies to see this as an out if you don't get this stuff replaced. But > as > always it is up to you if you know about it and choose to avoid it don't > complain when the insurance company says bye bye. > > Personally I think this is probably the biggest safety risk to the US > fleet > right now and I am sure that we will see a few more issue sin this space > in > the future. As far as fuel lines go, for example, it cost very little to > have them replaced, a lot more than the cost and pain associated with an > in > flight fire. > > I would urge you to also look at the information that Mark put together > about Yak 52 bulletins at http://www.yakuk.com/MPD.asp > > Gus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yakmech > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 6:17 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakmech" > > Since this incident I have been very concious of the fact that there is > alot > to know and learn, I for one will never say that i know everything because > I > learn something every day. > > I still say that in this case the maintenance was sufficent for the > information available. Although the aircraft is approaching 15 years old, > the flight and maintenance history of this aircraft is very well known. > Remember it only has 32 hours total time. Its because of this fact and > knowing what the aeroplane has done,, or rather has not done that makes me > believe that all that could have been done, was done to the best of our > knowledge. > > I have seen rusted yak systems etc before, so I know what it does and > potentially what it can cause. There was no need or concern for this > aircraft with regards to this sort of problem, even though it is > approaching > 15 years and hence no nead to pull the rams out and disassemble them. I am > not interested in saving money for the customer if safety is a factor. > Im not interested in being that "cheap bloke" down the road for aircraft > maintenance, im more interested in seeing the aeroplane perform as it > should > between services without the customer having to come back for unsheduled > maintenance. > > Unfortunately most of the time maintenance practices only change when > there > is an accident or incident or better and further information is available. > In this case I / We now have both. In my case my personal practices both > in > the hangar and in the air will change from this incident, all be it a hard > way to learn. But once again the reason for my post...the more that know > the less likely that its going to happen again. > > You can never know to much or have to much information when the safety of > others is in your hands. The more I can pass on as a result of this > incident and the more I can learn personaly can only be of benefit surely. > > So rather than can me or any other person / organisation trying to pass on > information for others to learn from, maybe, as you have started doing in > your later posts, pass on the information and not can a bloke for trying > to > do the right thing wether he be the pilot or mechanic. > > I will take on board the relevant and useful information that you have > provided and I appreciate that.... BUT I will not stand by and be > critisised > personaly by anyone who does not know the full facts about the incident, > the > aeroplane or the maintenance practices if they realy have no idea what is > going on in the first place. Remember..... dont ASSUME anything or you > will > make an ASS out of U and ME. > > I am willing and ready to learn and know as much as possible about the > aeroplanes that I fly and work on. Anyone that is willing to pass on that > information in a reasonable and constructive manner I am willing to listen > too. > > Mick > > -------- > Once you have experienced flight you will forever walk this earth with > your > eyes turned skyward for it is there that you have been and there that you > long to return ! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6075#6075 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:21 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: Fwd: Fw: link Jim, Here is the SNF hotel room reservation form link: _www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms_ (http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms) Click on Sun n Fun 2006 Room Reservation Form. Thanks, Jim Tobul Return-Path: Received: from rly-yi01.mx.aol.com (rly-yi01.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.129]) by air-yi01.mail.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILINYI11-7a643d7d3b82a9; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:38:36 -0500 Received: from imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.72]) by rly-yi01.mx.aol.com (v108_r1_b1.2) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYI12-7a643d7d3b82a9; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:38:32 -0500 Received: from ibm71aec.bellsouth.net ([70.157.142.195]) by imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20060125193832.YCYH15142.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm71aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:38:32 -0500 Received: from TOBUL9WDSR13FM ([70.157.142.195]) by ibm71aec.bellsouth.net with SMTP id <20060125193831.WOD29035.ibm71aec.bellsouth.net@TOBUL9WDSR13FM> for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:38:31 -0500 From: "James R Tobul" Subject: Fw: link X-AOL-IP: 205.152.59.72 Jim, Here is the SNF hotel room reservatiuon form link: www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms Click on Sun n Fun 2006 Room Reservation Form. Thanks, Jim Jim, Here is the SNF hotel room reservatiuon form link: www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms Click on Sun n Fun 2006 Room Reservation Form. Thanks, Jim ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:31 PM PST US From: "Fraser, Gus" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" Don't comment one way or the other just reporting what the Russians say. Gus -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" Air Speed indicator? In the long list of things that wreak havok when they fail on an airplane, I don't personally see how an airspeed indicator made it to number 3 on your list. I'll conceed that it's not as bad as an air bottle blowing up or a prop disintegrating, but there are several hundred parts I think I need more than an A/S indicator to safely get back to terra firma. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fraser, Gus" Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" > > Here is Marks list of lifed items > > http://www.yakuk.com/lifeitems.asp > > Gus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:56 AM > To: 'yak-list@matronics.com' > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" > > I agree, > If it is in 6 years as opposed to 5, given a good hanger environment etc > etc, is it going to fail ? Probably not but there are aircraft operating > in > the US that have been out of overhaul for getting on for 10 years, how > many > of those have had all the required preventative maintenance ? > > As far as this stuff goes spread the love, do one oleo this year, another > next year and so on. Otherwise the sticker shock of doing it all at once > will really hurt. > > Gus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans Oortman > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 9:36 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" > > Gus, > > Mark is right of course, lifed items should be replaced. > > On the other hand though: in the previous Sovjet Union maintenance > programs > for aircraft were in first instance not set up for the sake of the > aircraft, > i.e. technically required, but for the sake of employment, i.e. keeping > everybody at work...... > > On our Yak (RA3326K previous a.k.a LY-AQC) we do replace lifed items > according to the book though.... > > Hans O. > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Fraser, Gus > Verzonden: maandag 23 januari 2006 15:01 > Aan: 'yak-list@matronics.com' > Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" > > Mark raises what is almost the single most serious point with ongoing > maintenance of these aircraft, regardless of country of origin. That is > the > issue of lifed items. > > Now how many of you out there are riding around fat dumb and stupid with > seals over 5 years old, fuel lines that have exceeded useful life. These > aircraft have a considerable list of items that need to be changed on > spec, > how many of you are doing that ? > > Mark can you post a list of lifed items for Yak aircraft as I think it > will > shock some subscribers. As Mark mentions it will not take long for > insurance > companies to see this as an out if you don't get this stuff replaced. But > as > always it is up to you if you know about it and choose to avoid it don't > complain when the insurance company says bye bye. > > Personally I think this is probably the biggest safety risk to the US > fleet > right now and I am sure that we will see a few more issue sin this space > in > the future. As far as fuel lines go, for example, it cost very little to > have them replaced, a lot more than the cost and pain associated with an > in > flight fire. > > I would urge you to also look at the information that Mark put together > about Yak 52 bulletins at http://www.yakuk.com/MPD.asp > > Gus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yakmech > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 6:17 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak 52 r/h gear failure > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakmech" > > Since this incident I have been very concious of the fact that there is > alot > to know and learn, I for one will never say that i know everything because > I > learn something every day. > > I still say that in this case the maintenance was sufficent for the > information available. Although the aircraft is approaching 15 years old, > the flight and maintenance history of this aircraft is very well known. > Remember it only has 32 hours total time. Its because of this fact and > knowing what the aeroplane has done,, or rather has not done that makes me > believe that all that could have been done, was done to the best of our > knowledge. > > I have seen rusted yak systems etc before, so I know what it does and > potentially what it can cause. There was no need or concern for this > aircraft with regards to this sort of problem, even though it is > approaching > 15 years and hence no nead to pull the rams out and disassemble them. I am > not interested in saving money for the customer if safety is a factor. > Im not interested in being that "cheap bloke" down the road for aircraft > maintenance, im more interested in seeing the aeroplane perform as it > should > between services without the customer having to come back for unsheduled > maintenance. > > Unfortunately most of the time maintenance practices only change when > there > is an accident or incident or better and further information is available. > In this case I / We now have both. In my case my personal practices both > in > the hangar and in the air will change from this incident, all be it a hard > way to learn. But once again the reason for my post...the more that know > the less likely that its going to happen again. > > You can never know to much or have to much information when the safety of > others is in your hands. The more I can pass on as a result of this > incident and the more I can learn personaly can only be of benefit surely. > > So rather than can me or any other person / organisation trying to pass on > information for others to learn from, maybe, as you have started doing in > your later posts, pass on the information and not can a bloke for trying > to > do the right thing wether he be the pilot or mechanic. > > I will take on board the relevant and useful information that you have > provided and I appreciate that.... BUT I will not stand by and be > critisised > personaly by anyone who does not know the full facts about the incident, > the > aeroplane or the maintenance practices if they realy have no idea what is > going on in the first place. Remember..... dont ASSUME anything or you > will > make an ASS out of U and ME. > > I am willing and ready to learn and know as much as possible about the > aeroplanes that I fly and work on. Anyone that is willing to pass on that > information in a reasonable and constructive manner I am willing to listen > too. > > Mick > > -------- > Once you have experienced flight you will forever walk this earth with > your > eyes turned skyward for it is there that you have been and there that you > long to return ! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=6075#6075 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:09 PM PST US From: "Richard Basiliere" Subject: Yak-List: Dan Fortin? Dan; Contact me off line - I have the SU-29 photos ready to launch from work Rick ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:05 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Yak-List: Sun n Fun Housing As a follow-up to questions I received at Waycross I can offer some info. Rental homes are around but anyone living near LAL already knows about Sun n Fun and has regular guests scheduled. Another alternative is Furnished Corporate apartments, 1-3 bedroom. The closest ones are already booked for SNF but you might try these about 2-3 miles away: www.oakwood.com 877-969-5142. Their closest property is at 2150 Lake Highland Blvd, just east of LAL, accessible by back roads not choked with SNF traffic. Craig Payne