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1. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Iris Instead of Grills (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: Iris Instead of Grills (Tim Gagnon)
3. 07:02 AM - Another day in a Viper (Tim Gagnon)
4. 11:58 AM - Hangars (Greg Arnold)
5. 12:07 PM - Re: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium) [some of you will want to hit delete now] (Valkyre1)
6. 01:28 PM - Re: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium) [some of you will want to hit delete now] (Brian Lloyd)
7. 01:53 PM - R.T. Foster (MikSpin@aol.com)
8. 03:43 PM - Re: Radium (Ron Davis)
9. 04:46 PM - Love YA Val, and Brian too..... :) (Frank Haertlein)
10. 07:19 PM - Re: Hangars (Roger Kemp)
11. 08:53 PM - Six New Email Lists / Forums At Matronics! (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Iris Instead of Grills |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
My interpretation was Mark was considering changing the standard cooling
louvers over to the iris type. I was just wondering why someone would want
to do that unless their existing cooling louvers were severely damaged and
cost prohibitive to repair.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 11:18 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Iris Instead of Grills
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> Mark,
>
> I have an Iris setup on my Yak-50. Main reason is the airplane did not
> come with the gills when I bought it. I wanted something so I could
> control the temps and decided on the Iris. It has quite a few less parts
> and in the long run, was cheaper. I DO NOT have the titanium Iris. Mine
> are stainless steel.
>
> I am still working on a way to "control" them as they are fixed right now.
> My temps are right where they should be. The only thing I deal with is
> longer warm up times.
>
> Something else to think about. The gills add structure to the engine
> cowling where the Iris does not. Mark Bitterlich can add more to this. I
> have not had any issues with it so far but have quite a bit less time
> without the gills than Mark does. Mine is ROCK solid without the gills but
> I am not under the impression that that will remain true and am taking
> steps to prevent that.
>
> As to Dennis's question why, I think it is a simpler system with less
> parts. It may also be cheaper. Dennis or Doug can answer that question
> though..
>
> Tim
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7753#7753
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Iris Instead of Grills |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co wrote:
> My interpretation was Mark was considering changing the standard cooling
> louvers over to the iris type. I was just wondering why someone would want
> to do that unless their existing cooling louvers were severely damaged and
> cost prohibitive to repair.
> Dennis
>
> ---
Ahhh...yeah I would agree that it would not be worth the effort if the existing
system is intact.
If it aint broke...dont fix it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7797#7797
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| Subject: | Another day in a Viper |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
A fellow pilot here at Continental Express is going through F-16 RTU at Kelly right
now. I thought it was a good read and well written and thought I would share
it with you guys...
So there I was protecting the O-club when the silence was broken....
Viper 2, Break right! Bandit your 6 Oclock 2 miles level! There is excitement in
leads voice, a little from the adrenaline but mostly because that MiG 29s radar
is locked firmly on my jet, the energy bubbling my skin, turning my future
kids into girls and not his. While those thoughts go through my mind I react
quickly, roll up knife edge and pull for all Im worth. The power comes back and
my fingers are working double time, one spitting out flares and two others slewing
the radar to the spot I think he might be. 8 gs pile on the jet and I look
straight back trying to pick up a tally on the enemy who is up in my chili
in the perfect spot to paint a kill on his jet. A vapor cloud forms above the
wing and as I look back a fireworks show of flares erupts behind me. As the flares
ripple off they get caught in the wake of jet and their smoke trails eddy,
swirling earthward as they fall away - under other circumstances it would make
a great calendar picture under the clear blue sky but today there is more
to worry about.
Even though this guy started in a huge position of advantage, he screwed up by
attacking two of us. Ive been in this position before several times on offense
and in defense in 1vs 1. Ive spent the last 2 months dogfighting, studying offensive
and defensive tactics and employing them in the air. From an offensive
position I can kill the opponent 90 percent of the time 100 percent of the time,
my defense has similar odds ending up neutral or occasionally to a kill. Im
becoming an ER doc with the Sidewinder and a surgeon with the gun.
Today however is different. I am no longer alone and unafraid, Im a 2 ship ---
and unafraid. We are flying ACM, Air Combat Maneuvers, and I have a flight lead
taking me to the fight. 2vs1 should make things easier but the workload is tripled
trying to keep track of the extra aircraft in the 3 dimensional envelope
in which we fly. Morty Feldman is the new technique to Waleye my eyeballs keeping
1 eye boresighted to each aircraft. New rules apply to keep us effective
as a 2 ship but more importantly to keep us from swapping paint. The strength
of the US Air Force is our ability to work as a team, and even though this guy
started out behind us we were still dealt a better hand.
A third of the way around the turn I strain my neck and pick up the tally just
in time to see a crack of the bandits wings as he turns away from me and goes
after lead.
Bandit Switched! I shout to Viper 1 to let him know he is soon to be in a defensive
position.
The bandit is in full blower towards lead, who by this time is nose on 1 mile apart
with 1000 knots of head on closure. That distance closes in about 3 seconds,
the fight progressing incredibly quickly. At these speeds a blink in the wrong
direction is enough to get us killed.
Viper 1 Engaged my nose 1 mile, ID HOSTILE!! Lead spouts the magic words I need
to take the shot by declaring him a bad guy. I slam the throttle forward to the
stop opening a bloody gash in my ring finger knuckle, smashing it against the
spider guard that holds the canopy closed. A bloody glove is the tell tale
sign that a B course student had fun today, immediately noticed by the crew chief
upon landing. Niagra opens as 50,000 ponies flood out my burner can as I sunder
the nose low through the horizon to pick up some knots on my way back into
the fight. The wick lights and Im thrown back as I start to accelerate towards
the ensuing furball between lead and the dude that wrecked our day. My fangs
are out looking for what should be an easy shot but then the fight takes a
turn for the worse. The brawl erupts on top of me as lead gets into a vertical
rolling scissors back in my direction. A rolling scissors is a classic duel resembling
two snakes battling each other, their bodies entwined and twisted around,
both jets canopy to canopy spiraling skyward trying to spit the other out
front for a gun shot. Imagine the jets winding up a chain of DNA angled 45 degrees
high in my direction, the two strands separated by a 1000 foot bubble,
in war that distance would be significantly closer. I don't have a shot and have
to bail low to recoup. I was warned not to stick my nose into the fray, screaming
past as a high speed cheerleader unable to help at all, so I get a little
distance and a few more knots and I pitch back in....
Around the horn and a perfect picture unfolds in front of me - a tail aspect 1.5
mile Aim-9 shot. Viper 2, Fox 2! Code for a heater flying off my jet bringing
me just 4 kills shy of being an ace. The missile times out and I call the victory.
Viper 2, kill hostile left hand turn 16,000 Egress south.
And then the words that shook the world.
Confirm kill left hand turn? Lead queries, and doubt sets in.
I think youll be egressing alone, thats a lonely and unfortunate way to go home.
Vipers terminate.
The problem is the MiG today was simulated by a gray cammo Viper - A Viper that
looks exactly the same as mine and more importantly the same as my flight leads.
Fratricide is taken seriously around the squadron, and by serious I mean payment
with beer. Calling a kill on the hostile when it was invalid and taking
a guy out of the fight prematurely costs a six pack and a little ribbing. Killing
flight lead - a Keg for the bar, ridicule, and harassment until one of the
other studs does something worse. Weeks down the road it will be brought up
at random - Remember that time when you shot me down..... It is horrible but definitely
possible and has happened in war. Did I get them mixed up as they spired
around each other? Did it happen again? Nooooo....
Last week on a 1v1 I ended up in a vertical stack going straight up, canopy to
canopy 1000 feet apart, looking at the knee board of the dude in the other Viper
straight out the top of my jet. As we rocketed towards space, screaming skywards
better than 40,000 feet per minute, time compression set in and I was witnessing
the coolest thing I have seen to date in an aircraft. While thinking
about giving him the American peace gesture waiting for him to fall off I got
an impossible lock and took the shot, called the kill and terminated the fight.
Solo at the time, my IP in the other jet was puzzled how I managed to kill him
from that position but figured we would wait to analize in the debrief. Playing
the tapes back at 1g and zero knots it was clear that I got a spurious lock
on Full Bird Colonel in another jet, in another area, 30 miles away. I full
up shot him down and he wasnt even in my game. The apology at the desk the next
morning got some laughs.
Sir, sorry for shooting you down yesterday.
Did we fly together yesterday?
O-6s are old and have forgotten more knowledge than I will ever have but are sometimes
oblivious of everything that happened more than an hour ago.
No Sir, I was in a different flight.... and again I apologize for shooting you
down
Everyone at the desk caught on in laughter and it didnt cost me a thing since he
was red air that day and I had the global SA to shoot bad guys that werent in
my flight. It was brought up again on Friday for everyone to laugh at.
I was thoroughly debriefed on that shot and the importance of Q.C.ing every shot
before letting them rip.
Turns out today the O-club was saved and my flight lead could join me for a beer.
I did shoot the Hostile but mixed up the comm. The hostile was in a right hand
turn, not left and that was debriefed in depth as well. Im no fighter pilot
yet, I did however write a big R and L on each glove so I wont make the same
mistake again.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=7800#7800
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Any of you guys located in the southeast USA put up a hangar lately? I'm trying
to find a "local" metal building manufacturer that does hangars. My property
is located near Tuscaloosa, AL.
Thanks.
Greg Arnold
N624PT
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| Subject: | Re: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium) [some |
of you will want to hit delete now]
You know, one nice thing about nuclear "waste" is that about 99% of the
energy is still in it. In 20-50 years it might be nice to have all that
stored energy ready to recycle and not have to go to some other country
to buy it again. Think "energy independence".
Analogy: do you ever play the game of "Hearts"? The Queen of Spades is a
bad thing to have. Some people pass it away at the beginning but my
strategy is to keep it in order to have control over who gets it instead
of me. I would much rather have the nuclear waste under our control than
someone else's. I wouldn't even mind living next to it.
OK Yakkers, fair warning right here that Brian and I are going to begin a
fun verbal sparring match that does have something to do with keeping our warbirds
flying, but will likely stray off onto another philosophical tangent. Let's
start with remembering that our concern here is with the Feds basically grounding
our aircraft due to "parts no longer available." They are killing off
previously legal businesses that supply us with the parts at an affordable price
and damaging these good people who have been providing them.
The point of my last posting was to provide what I thought might be potential
legal ammunition in our arsenal to fight this battle should the membership
choose to do so. We may want to do this before the whole thing spins out of
control and gets too big to fight.
Brian, if you're right about the recycling of nuclear waste into a viable
form of energy independence in our lifetimes, then I will apologize and owe
you a nice steak dinner. I don't think that the states that are reaping the benefits
of producing it or the Japanese believe that or they would be keeping it
in their own back yards as we speak. We object to taking the risk for their
profits. Where did you say you live? I'll tell them that you're anxious to live
next to the stuff and you can take the goodies.
> What makes it worse is the fact that these storage facilities aren't
> exactly well contained or secure. This also makes our City a more
> attractive site for potential terrorist activity.
Uh, is this an example of the, "I don't need to outrun the bear; I only
need to outrun you;" attitude? We want to make sure it is someone else's
city that is more attractive to terrorists in order to feel safe?
I prefer the, "catch them, shoot them, drop their bodies in a ditch and
throw dirt on them," approach to dealing with terrorists instead of
running, hiding, or pretending that we are actually dealing with
terrorist effectively. (The latter is the Bush administration's approach.)
My position, again, is that the city that stirred up the bear should keep
it in their own back yard instead of chasing it into ours. I just don't believe
in stuffing a nice juicy steak down my britches while trying to outrun the
bear. I personally believe that any decisions that are made out of fear or anger
will be bad decisions.
No, I'm not afraid to confront terrorists, and this is not what's running
my mouth. On the contrary, that's why during the years following 911 I voluntarily
was chosen and went to the first class of Federal Flight deck Officers
trained at the Law Enforcement Academy in Glynco Georgia. We were specifically
taught how and when to responsibly "stop" (kill) terrorists in the act. I deliberately
chose to fly the "bad guys missiles of choice (Boeing 767/757) to their
targets of choice ( NYC/ LGA/BOS/EWR/DC/and LAX). Not because I was "looking
for trouble", but because with this training and 19 years of martial arts,
I felt that I was best equipped to handle it successfully and identify it before
it happened again.
You also mentioned the thousands of people in India that were
killed and affected by the transport and spills of dangerous chemicals through
populated areas. Point granted and we are all well aware of this. In this case
it's a nationwide battle here that none of us are likely to win, so we pretty
much have to fight small issues and live with it. Nuclear waste presents a very
real potential to not only kill thousands immediately, but to render that area
uninhabitable for hundreds of years with no viable clean up recourse that
I know of. Dead is dead.
In aviation, waiting until you have a body count before you address a problem
is not an acceptable means of handling it. You are exactly right in posing
the question of "Are you willing to Handle it?" when referring to the huge
amount of cash and legal governmental backing that we may be going up against.
That was the question that I posed to the list as to whether this particular
battle had enough long term and far reaching consequences to justify the sacrifices.
Then, what do we have in the way of an effective arsenal to fight with?
All I know is that it's a sure bet that the societies that live in fear
of standing up to the wrongs their governments attempt to perpetrate on them are
no longer in existence. As I said before, let's choose our battles carefully,
all things reviewed, and make our decisions based on those facts.
For anyone who has managed to slog through Brian and my philosophical rants,
I hope that your coffee is still warm and that you had fun too. I'm out now
because I have a lot to learn about CJs and Yaks from those of you who are
putting out some good stuff about the machines. Brian included, he always has
a wealth of information to impart. (The rants really are kind of fun though aren't
they? I always learn something there too, even if I may not agree. Dissent
is good.)
Thanks Brian. By the way, where do you want me to send that stuff again?
You live in California don't -cha? (LOL)
- Val (I really did try to keep this short)
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| Subject: | Re: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium) [some |
of you will want to hit delete now]
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Valkyre1 wrote:
> OK Yakkers, fair warning right here that Brian and I are going to
> begin a fun verbal sparring match that does have something to do with
> keeping our warbirds flying, but will likely stray off onto another
> philosophical tangent. Let's start with remembering that our concern
> here is with the Feds basically grounding our aircraft due to "parts no
> longer available." They are killing off previously legal businesses that
> supply us with the parts at an affordable price and damaging these good
> people who have been providing them.
I agree with you 100%.
> The point of my last posting was to provide what I thought might
> be potential legal ammunition in our arsenal to fight this battle should
> the membership choose to do so. We may want to do this before the whole
> thing spins out of control and gets too big to fight.
I agree with you 100% on this too.
> Brian, if you're right about the recycling of nuclear waste into
> a viable form of energy independence in our lifetimes, then I will
> apologize and owe you a nice steak dinner.
Then you owe me a nice steak dinner.
> I don't think that the states
> that are reaping the benefits of producing it or the Japanese believe
> that or they would be keeping it in their own back yards as we speak.
The problem with nuclear "waste" is not technical but rather political
and security. But let me deal with the technical part of it first.
One of the byproducts of Uranium fission is Plutonium. (Where do you
think the Plutonium comes from for nuclear weapons?) The real problem
with Plutonium is that it is one of the most poisonous materials in the
world, let alone its radioactivity. As we don't have Plutonium reactors
to use the Plutonium "waste" we are forced to store it along with the
other fission products. (The direct fission products are Barium-144 and
Krypton-89 but you get all sorts of trace nasties from the further decay
of Barium, Krypton, and other stuff.)
Also, the fuel used in light-water reactors (the type we use in the US
to provide electrical power) requires some level of enrichment
(chemically concentrating the fissionable U-235), typically to something
like 20%. As the fuel is consumed, as soon as it drops below a critical
mass (sustaining level) the nuclear reaction will not proceed and the
fuel rods are "spent". Still, the rods contain lots of Uranium-235. All
you need to do is to reprocess the rods to remove the fission products
and to extract the unconsumed U-235 to make new rods.
But we aren't allowed to reprocess spent fuel rods in the US.
So, yes, there is a lot of useful "fuel" left in "waste" fuel rods. If
you go to the trouble of building reactors that produce fuel (breeder
reactors) and reactors that will "burn" plutonium, you can have power
almost forever without having to mine more Uranium.
Still, there will be some fission products that are long-lived,
poisonous, and radioactive that are not usable for anything else and
must be stored somewhere.
So you get back to the political and security issues. First you have a
lot of people who would rather die than think who are convinced that
nuclear power is dangerous and will fight to the death to prevent anyone
from bringing anything near them. The solution is education but how do
you educate people who a) think science is for jerks, and b) would
rather die than think?
The second problem is security. If someone can lay hands on all that
nuclear waste, they have a source of plutonium from which they can build
nuclear weapons. All they have to do is to process the spent fuel to
extract the plutonium.
> We
> object to taking the risk for their profits. Where did you say you
> live? I'll tell them that you're anxious to live next to the stuff and
> you can take the goodies.
Well, I live in Folsom but would not have any trouble living next to a
railroad track where they are transporting nuclear waste nor would I be
averse to living next to a nuclear waste repository. Should a train
derail and the spent fuel rods end up in my front yard I calmly walk out
my back door and walk to safety. They pick up the fuel rods and I go
back home.
OTOH, I *would* be concerned living next to a railroad track where they
are transporting industrial chemicals like chlorine. If a train derails
near my house, the tank is ruptured, and I am downwind, I am most likely
dead right then and there.
> I prefer the, "catch them, shoot them, drop their bodies in a
> ditch and
> throw dirt on them," approach to dealing with terrorists instead of
> running, hiding, or pretending that we are actually dealing with
> terrorist effectively. (The latter is the Bush administration's
> approach.)
>
> My position, again, is that the city that stirred up the bear
> should keep it in their own back yard instead of chasing it into ours. I
> just don't believe in stuffing a nice juicy steak down my britches while
> trying to outrun the bear. I personally believe that any decisions that
> are made out of fear or anger will be bad decisions.
My point there had to do with terrorists. You want to solve the problem?
You attack the source. You don't make yourself a less attractive target
and hope that will keep them from wanting to make an example of your
domicile.
And virtually every decision in the US having to do with either nuclear
power or terrorism has been a bad decision made in fear and/or anger.
> No, I'm not afraid to confront terrorists, and this is not what's
> running my mouth. On the contrary, that's why during the years following
> 911 I voluntarily was chosen and went to the first class of Federal
> Flight deck Officers trained at the Law Enforcement Academy in Glynco
> Georgia. We were specifically taught how and when to responsibly "stop"
> (kill) terrorists in the act. I deliberately chose to fly the "bad
> guys missiles of choice (Boeing 767/757) to their targets of choice (
> NYC/ LGA/BOS/EWR/DC/and LAX). Not because I was "looking for trouble",
> but because with this training and 19 years of martial arts, I felt that
> I was best equipped to handle it successfully and identify it before it
> happened again.
Martial arts are good (I did TaeKwanDo myself) but it is hard to beat a
good blaster at your side when you want to "reach out and touch
someone." (This reminds me of that scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark"
where Indiana Jones is confronted by a scimitar-wielding martial-arts
expert and he dispatches his adversary with his revolver.)
> You also mentioned the thousands of people in India that were
> killed and affected by the transport and spills of dangerous chemicals
> through populated areas. Point granted and we are all well aware of
> this.
You might be but it is a stretch to say "we are all well aware ..." Most
people are NOT aware. They choose not to be aware. There is no question
in my mind but that normal industrial chemicals pose a much greater
threat to life and limb than do nuclear wastes. It is just that people
don't react emotionally to industrial chemicals the way they do to
radioactivity. (I think it was all those B-grade movies back in the
1950's that did it. The fear of being attacked by giant ants or giant
men in rubber dinosaur suits is pretty terrifying.)
> In this case it's a nationwide battle here that none of us are
> likely to win, so we pretty much have to fight small issues and live
> with it. Nuclear waste presents a very real potential to not only kill
> thousands immediately, but to render that area uninhabitable for
> hundreds of years with no viable clean up recourse that I know of. Dead
> is dead.
Pardon me but the word "horsehockey" comes to mind here. We have
actually seen a worst-case scenario resulting from a nuclear accident --
Chernobyl. That is why I chose to compare it to Bhopal which was a
straight ahead industrial accident. The thing everyone feared actually
*happened*. But it did not kill thousands. It killed 42. Bhopal killed
thousands.
No I do not want to see a Chernobyl happen again but I am not going to
live in abject terror of nuclear power over it as I know that the threat
is pretty darned small compared to all the other things around me that
are a LOT more likely to kill me. And economic decay is going to kill a
lot of people too but no one will be able to measure its death toll so
it will be ignored.
> In aviation, waiting until you have a body count before you
> address a problem is not an acceptable means of handling it.
But that *is* how we handle it in aviation. It usually takes a "body
count" before we realize we even have a problem. But that aside, flying
is darned safe even if there are still threats we haven't recognized.
> You are
> exactly right in posing the question of "Are you willing to Handle it?"
> when referring to the huge amount of cash and legal governmental backing
> that we may be going up against. That was the question that I posed to
> the list as to whether this particular battle had enough long term and
> far reaching consequences to justify the sacrifices. Then, what do we
> have in the way of an effective arsenal to fight with?
Ah, now we are getting back to the productive discussion. And you have
hit the nail on the head. You have to pick a point and make a stand and
then fight to the last man (or woman). Bureaucrats are not notorious for
standing their ground when faced with a serious threat but there are a
hell of a lot of them and they have a hell of a lot of money. And they
have the rest of the government on their side.
How do you get thousands or tens-of-thousands of people to protest and
fight? There are a few who will fight but the bureaucrats are pretty
good at focusing energy on the few. They just need to get rid of the
activists a few at a time. The rest of the population will then meekly
knuckle under. They win; we lose.
> All I know is that it's a sure bet that the societies that live
> in fear of standing up to the wrongs their governments attempt to
> perpetrate on them are no longer in existence. As I said before, let's
> choose our battles carefully, all things reviewed, and make our
> decisions based on those facts.
But you have to make a stand somewhere. I am prepared to make a stand
but I want to have as much leverage as possible and I sure as hell don't
want to stand alone.
> For anyone who has managed to slog through Brian and my
> philosophical rants, I hope that your coffee is still warm and that you
> had fun too. I'm out now because I have a lot to learn about CJs and
> Yaks from those of you who are putting out some good stuff about the
> machines. Brian included, he always has a wealth of information to
> impart.
Thank you. That is far and away the nicest anyone has ever told me that
I am full of it. ;-)
> (The rants really are kind of fun though aren't they? I always
> learn something there too, even if I may not agree. Dissent is good.)
Yes, but I do it too much. <sigh>
> Thanks Brian. By the way, where do you want me to send that stuff
> again? You live in California don't -cha? (LOL)
Yeah, like the Unthinking People's Republic of California (UPRC) is
going to go along with that? Dreamer.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Hey guys, here's the nose art that R.T. did for our B-25. Top notch!
http://www.dixiewing.org/aircraft/other/pacificprowler%20pictures%20001.jpg
He also did our jackets and the nose art for the B-25 "Old Glory".
He and his daughter will work with you on the art design and aircraft history
as well.
Mike Hastings
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Where they really want to put it IS well-contained and secure, namely deep underground
in what was a fairly useless piece of desert in Nevada. It was fairly
useless until the above ground nuclear detonations of the 50s; It's now quite
thoroughly useless.
The federal government is legally obligated to take posession of the commercial
waste but they are at least 20 years behind behind schedule and still being delayed
by pointless legal challenges based in more on emotion than science or
engineering- as is your objection. If they had it, they would no doubt take as
good of care of it as they did the military waste. That was a tongue in cheek
comment. Hanford, Rocky Flats, Paducah, and West Valley are huge messes.
The proposed site, you failed to mention, is on the Goshute reservation. Like
all indian reservations, it is a sovereign land of the indians (held in trust
by the US government). What Utah thinks about the uses of indian land has as
much relevancy as what Utah thinks about the uses Lithuanians choose for their
land.
In any event the solution to your problem is to get Yucca mountain repository open.
----- Original Message -----
From: Valkyre1
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Radium
Add to this series of horrific Bureaucratic bullying the fact that we are now
in the process of fighting a huge conglomerate of energy companies backed by
the U.S. Government here in Utah.
Why? Because they want to import hundreds of thousands of pounds of nuclear waste
from not only other states, but from Japan to store it 60 miles upwind of
Salt Lake City, Utah. It's all obviously pork belly politics and payoffs.
What makes it worse is the fact that these storage facilities aren't exactly
well contained or secure. This also makes our City a more attractive site for
potential terrorist activity.
They also want to transport it through our populated areas on a regular basis
via rail line and truck.
The good news is that there has been quite a public outcry here and at least
our local politicians have changed their tune. Since the Feds. are all for the
energy companies making lots of money importing this stuff and storing it in
our back yard, we're refusing the right to build the rail lines necessary to do
this over other lands.
Point being. We must pick our battles carefully, because the ones that we pick,
we must be determined to win at all costs. In order to do this we must band
together as a large and powerful group and communicate. I think that we have
that through AOPA, the EAA, etc.
Hopefully, the victims of this radon fiasco can use some of this in support of
their cases. Can we take up a collection (all groups) for their legal defense
fund?
Fraternally, - Val
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| Subject: | Love YA Val, and Brian too..... :) |
Valkirie
You said......"In aviation, waiting until you have a body count before you
address a problem is not an acceptable means of handling it".
Well, Val, get used to it. (I love ya...but...........) Our government keeps
letting arabs and other illegals immigrate into this country.
As a result you will keep loosing your freedoms (like TFR's because arabs
want to kill us by using airplanes to attack us).
For your information.........our politicians won't do anything to stop this
shit until we DO have a body count.
Now I'm going to go fix my YAK. Broke the left aileron a few weeks ago.
Lesson learned....never start your YAK in the hangar..........
Best Regards
Frank
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valkyre1
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium)
[some of you will want to hit delete now]
You know, one nice thing about nuclear "waste" is that about 99% of the
energy is still in it. In 20-50 years it might be nice to have all
that
stored energy ready to recycle and not have to go to some other
country
to buy it again. Think "energy independence".
Analogy: do you ever play the game of "Hearts"? The Queen of Spades is
a
bad thing to have. Some people pass it away at the beginning but my
strategy is to keep it in order to have control over who gets it
instead
of me. I would much rather have the nuclear waste under our control
than
someone else's. I wouldn't even mind living next to it.
OK Yakkers, fair warning right here that Brian and I are going to
begin a fun verbal sparring match that does have something to do with
keeping our warbirds flying, but will likely stray off onto another
philosophical tangent. Let's start with remembering that our concern here is
with the Feds basically grounding our aircraft due to "parts no longer
available." They are killing off previously legal businesses that supply us
with the parts at an affordable price and damaging these good people who
have been providing them.
The point of my last posting was to provide what I thought might be
potential legal ammunition in our arsenal to fight this battle should the
membership choose to do so. We may want to do this before the whole thing
spins out of control and gets too big to fight.
Brian, if you're right about the recycling of nuclear waste into a
viable form of energy independence in our lifetimes, then I will apologize
and owe you a nice steak dinner. I don't think that the states that are
reaping the benefits of producing it or the Japanese believe that or they
would be keeping it in their own back yards as we speak. We object to taking
the risk for their profits. Where did you say you live? I'll tell them that
you're anxious to live next to the stuff and you can take the goodies.
> What makes it worse is the fact that these storage facilities aren't
> exactly well contained or secure. This also makes our City a more
> attractive site for potential terrorist activity.
Uh, is this an example of the, "I don't need to outrun the bear; I
only
need to outrun you;" attitude? We want to make sure it is someone
else's
city that is more attractive to terrorists in order to feel safe?
I prefer the, "catch them, shoot them, drop their bodies in a ditch
and
throw dirt on them," approach to dealing with terrorists instead of
running, hiding, or pretending that we are actually dealing with
terrorist effectively. (The latter is the Bush administration's
approach.)
My position, again, is that the city that stirred up the bear should
keep it in their own back yard instead of chasing it into ours. I just don't
believe in stuffing a nice juicy steak down my britches while trying to
outrun the bear. I personally believe that any decisions that are made out
of fear or anger will be bad decisions.
No, I'm not afraid to confront terrorists, and this is not what's
running my mouth. On the contrary, that's why during the years following 911
I voluntarily was chosen and went to the first class of Federal Flight deck
Officers trained at the Law Enforcement Academy in Glynco Georgia. We were
specifically taught how and when to responsibly "stop" (kill) terrorists in
the act. I deliberately chose to fly the "bad guys missiles of choice
(Boeing 767/757) to their targets of choice ( NYC/ LGA/BOS/EWR/DC/and LAX).
Not because I was "looking for trouble", but because with this training and
19 years of martial arts, I felt that I was best equipped to handle it
successfully and identify it before it happened again.
You also mentioned the thousands of people in India that were
killed and affected by the transport and spills of dangerous chemicals
through populated areas. Point granted and we are all well aware of this. In
this case it's a nationwide battle here that none of us are likely to win,
so we pretty much have to fight small issues and live with it. Nuclear waste
presents a very real potential to not only kill thousands immediately, but
to render that area uninhabitable for hundreds of years with no viable clean
up recourse that I know of. Dead is dead.
In aviation, waiting until you have a body count before you address a
problem is not an acceptable means of handling it. You are exactly right in
posing the question of "Are you willing to Handle it?" when referring to the
huge amount of cash and legal governmental backing that we may be going up
against. That was the question that I posed to the list as to whether this
particular battle had enough long term and far reaching consequences to
justify the sacrifices. Then, what do we have in the way of an effective
arsenal to fight with?
All I know is that it's a sure bet that the societies that live in
fear of standing up to the wrongs their governments attempt to perpetrate on
them are no longer in existence. As I said before, let's choose our battles
carefully, all things reviewed, and make our decisions based on those facts.
For anyone who has managed to slog through Brian and my philosophical
rants, I hope that your coffee is still warm and that you had fun too. I'm
out now because I have a lot to learn about CJs and Yaks from those of you
who are putting out some good stuff about the machines. Brian included, he
always has a wealth of information to impart. (The rants really are kind of
fun though aren't they? I always learn something there too, even if I may
not agree. Dissent is good.)
Thanks Brian. By the way, where do you want me to send that stuff
again? You live in California don't -cha? (LOL)
- Val (I really did try to keep this short)
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OSI did mine at Wetumpka. I will have to get the number for you.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Arnold
Sent: 1/29/2006 2:04:55 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Hangars
Any of you guys located in the southeast USA put up a hangar lately? I'm trying
to find a "local" metal building manufacturer that does hangars. My property
is located near Tuscaloosa, AL.
Thanks.
Greg Arnold
N624PT
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