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1. 04:00 AM - Re: Re: Iris Instead of Grills (Craig Payne)
2. 05:07 AM - Re: gear problem (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 05:33 AM - Re: gear problem (Fraser, Gus)
4. 05:40 AM - Re: Iris Instead of Grills (Fraser, Gus)
5. 06:42 AM - Re: Going after overzealous FedsGoing after overzealous Feds (Valkyre1)
6. 06:51 AM - CJ6A: stations for CG calculation (Brian Lloyd)
7. 06:51 AM - Re: Useful VFR Maps Site (Valkyre1)
8. 06:59 AM - Re: Going after overzealous Feds (Brian Lloyd)
9. 07:14 AM - Re: Useful VFR Maps Site (David McGirt)
10. 07:14 AM - Re: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium) [some of you will want to hit delete now] (Valkyre1)
11. 07:22 AM - Re: Iris Instead of Grills (marksorenson)
12. 07:34 AM - Re: Hangars (marksorenson)
13. 07:37 AM - Re: Useful VFR Maps Site (marksorenson)
14. 09:14 AM - CJ (doug sapp)
15. 09:20 AM - Re: CJ6A: stations for CG calculation (cjpilot710@aol.com)
16. 09:40 AM - Re: CJ6A: stations for CG calculation (Ernest Martinez)
17. 09:54 AM - Re: CJ (Scooter)
18. 10:50 AM - Re: Iris Instead of Grills (Scott Kirk)
19. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: Iris Instead of Grills (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
20. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Re: Iris Instead of Grills (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
21. 10:57 AM - RedStar S. E. Region Pilots (cjpilot710@aol.com)
22. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: CJ (doug sapp)
23. 12:44 PM - Re: CJ6A: stations for CG calculation (Brian Lloyd)
24. 12:44 PM - Re: CJ6A: stations for CG calculation (Brian Lloyd)
25. 01:55 PM - Re: CJ (cgalley)
26. 03:50 PM - Overzealous Feds (Frank Haertlein)
27. 03:50 PM - Fun to fly again (Frank Haertlein)
28. 03:52 PM - Re: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium) [some of you will want to hit delete now] (Frank Haertlein)
29. 04:27 PM - Re: Overzealous Feds (Brian Lloyd)
30. 07:28 PM - Check your computers folks. (fraseg)
31. 07:53 PM - Re: 4 sale (Michael Beach Hartwigs Trucks)
32. 08:19 PM - gear retract (jandefinley@comcast.net)
33. 09:26 PM - Re: Going after overzealous Feds (fish@aviation-tech.com)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Iris Instead of Grills |
Mark G wrote:
>
>I ran them out from the front of the
>engine supercharger cover
Hmmm, could that be the engine gearbox cover?
>(using the same mounting studs that the IRIS would
>attach to) HORIZONTALLY to the front cowl ring. Four of them, one every 90
>degrees. These acted like spokes on a wheel, and gave back the support that
>the original gills had.
>
>Result? Problem cured. No more cowling damage... problem is 100% FIX
>
I too have removed the gills but left the gill outer ring in place with the original
mounting rods. Since I have the Crowder spinner in place now, I'm watching
it all very closely. Another problem I have noticed on cowls without gills
is that the cowl skin UNDER the lower mounting brackets tend to crack through
around the bracket that holds the "donuts" the pins go through. Doublers on the
skin are required.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: gear problem |
Terry,
Walt makes some good points. But I would check your gear handle valve. Me
thinks, that with the gear working AFTER you've put the handle in neutral
(dumping all pressure), that you may have a problem there in that the face of
the valve may be scratched or corroded allowing pressure to cross even if the
valve moved to the up side.
Also might want to recheck that emergency shuttle valve. If you can sake it
and hear the valve spring back and forth, it's good. If that valve is not
seated just a little bit, the gear will not re track.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Emergency shuttle valve gets my vote, I had exactly the same issue and that
was it.
Gus
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: gear problem
Terry,
Walt makes some good points. But I would check your gear handle valve. Me
thinks, that with the gear working AFTER you've put the handle in neutral
(dumping all pressure), that you may have a problem there in that the face
of the valve may be scratched or corroded allowing pressure to cross even if
the valve moved to the up side.
Also might want to recheck that emergency shuttle valve. If you can sake it
and hear the valve spring back and forth, it's good. If that valve is not
seated just a little bit, the gear will not re track.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Emergency shuttle valve
gets my vote, I had exactly the same issue and that was it.
Gus
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<EM>Walt makes some good
points. But I would check your gear handle valve. Me thinks, that
with the gear working AFTER you've put the handle in neutral (dumping all
pressure), that you may have a problem there in that the face of the valve may
be scratched or corroded allowing pressure to cross even if the valve moved to
the up side.</EM>
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #80ff00"></EM>
<EM>Also might want to
recheck that emergency shuttle valve. If you can sake it and hear the
valve spring back and forth, it's good. If that valve is not seated just
a little bit, the gear will not re track.</EM>
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| Subject: | Iris Instead of Grills |
Un the Sukhoi and my SP the whole cowl is MUCH stronger than the standard
50/52 cowl. For example, the front of the cowl is shaped like a wing there
is baffling on the inside of the cowl that gives great strength. Also there
are support arms from all cylinders to the cowl (see attached picture) I bet
you have wondered what those bolts on the front of the cylinder were for,
well guess no more because they are the mounting for the support arms.
The diameter of the cowl opening is also slightly smaller hence the gap on a
52 cowl when the flaps are closed.
Hope this helps
Gus
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich GS11
Mark G
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:22 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Iris Instead of Grills
Hello Mark,
This is ANOTHER "Mark" so this is bound to get confusing. Tim mentioned my
experience in regard to flying without gills, so I thought I would bring my
experiences in this regard to light.
There have been a number of people who have replaced the gill system with
the IRIS system, and the conversion is fairly simple. One thing to keep in
mind is that there are two different types of systems for controlling the
IRIS. The original system found on most Sukhoi 26's and their ilk used two
cables in semi hard tubes that each fed to a round wheel on the IRIS itself.
In the cockpit there is a control LEVER that pulls on one cable at a time...
obviously as you pull on one cable (and put it into tension) the other moves
backwards and is slack and at that point the wheel on the IRIS pulls keeping
it taught. Just picture two cables attached 180 degrees apart to the outer
rim of a wheel and you'll get the picture.
The newer method (and more preferable by far) is found on the newer SU-31's,
and uses a HARD TUBE PUSH/PULL ROD very close to what controls the original
YAK prop and gills. If you get the NEWER IRIS, you should be able to use
the existing YAK control that comes on the aircraft that used to control
your gills.
Ok, now the bad news.
My YAK-50 came with the Les Crowder big spinner mod. (I mean as in HUGE..
looks good though, and I have been told that this is really a YAK-18T
spinner, but I don't know for sure). Anyway, this mod required all the
gills to be removed.
So, when I originally bought the aircraft, it had 110 hours on it since new,
and away I went... no gills, no problem, who cares anyway?
After about 150 additional hours or so, I started getting all sorts of
cracking on the cowling leading edges. Then the hollow tubes that the front
of the top and bottom cowling are riveted to, started cracking too. This
problem became more serious as time went on, because at the same time, the
little red tubes/struts that hold the cowl MOUNTING ring in place started to
crack and break TOO! These are the little adjustable things that bolt to
the front of each cylinder and go straight out to the cowl mounting ring.
At the time, I could not imagine what was causing all this. When my cowl
was closed, it closed fairly firmly on the front cowl ring I just described
above. I thought this might be the problem so I loosened everything up.
Wrong Answer. The problem got worse.
I put soft fabric material between the mounting ring and the cowl ring....
this helped a little, but it could still easily be seen that things were
just vibrating too darn much. I might also mention that my two bladed prop
was also out of balance quite a bit. Balanced the prop.... and that helped,
but did not STOP the problem.
I then got the chance to study a YAK-52 up close and personal, and could see
that those gills added quite a lot of support to that front cowl ring. So,
I made four adjustable struts out of stainless steel tubing.... identical in
design and function to the ones coming straight out from the cylinder
attachment points, but for these... I ran them out from the front of the
engine supercharger cover (using the same mounting studs that the IRIS would
attach to) HORIZONTALLY to the front cowl ring. Four of them, one every 90
degrees. These acted like spokes on a wheel, and gave back the support that
the original gills had.
Result? Problem cured. No more cowling damage... problem is 100% FIXED.
This leads me to advise AGAINST putting an IRIS system on a YAK-50/52,
UNLESS you also take additional steps to support that front cowl ring.
There are a lot of other factors involved here... such as: "What condition
are your engine mounting rubbers in?" Bottom line, the front of the cowls
MUST MOVE WITH THE ENGINE, and if you take out the gills, you basically have
a situation best pictured by imagining a person holding a HULA-HOOP out in
front of himself with outstretched arms. Then picture something/ANYTHING,
"hanging from the hula-hoop itself"... you can see, there just is not any
structural strength in that kind of assembly. Put the gills in, and mount
the gills to the engine itself, and you can see that the above picture
regains all of its strength.
By the bye, this is yet another reason to keep those leather mounting pads
in good condition that are located on the engine itself. These ALSO provide
quite an amount of structural support to the whole upper and lower cowl.
Sorry for the long post, but the details were needed in my opinion.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
Here are some other interesting things that I learned the hard way about...
last week!
p.s. Another tid bit for the YAK list. The YAK-52/50/55 and the
Sukhoi-26/29/31 AND the CJ-6, all use the exact same piston in the
air-compressor relief valve. This piston and seal are what you adjust to
control the peak pressure in your air system in the aircraft. Doug Sapp
sells the whole assy. for the CJ.... and you can take it right apart, take
out the piston and spring (and locking nut) and put the whole mess into your
YAK, if you want to do that instead of repair what you have with a new
rubber bushing. Here's the TID BIT: The YAK-52W (and I am GUESSING the
YAK-52TW as well) has a DIFFERENT PISTON in the pressure relief assy. It is
slightly BIGGER and is NOT a direct replacement with all the others
mentioned earlier. Why not? Go figure.
p.p.s. YAK-52W guys... did you know that there is an emergency pressure
relief valve behind the seat that allows you to eliminate emergency air
pressure to the landing gear without having to crack fittings and jack and
cycle the gear, if you ever do happen to open the emergency bottle valve?
p.p.p.s. For those aircraft with the manual engine starting valves (YAK-55,
Sukhoi's) be aware that the rubber replacement tab for the starter valve
MUST have a whole cut in the middle of it. Ignore that fact, and the lever
will work a few times and then fail forever. Trust me on this and save
yourself a lot of head scratching.
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Hello all,
Can anyone tell me if it is practical to replace the grills on the front of
my Yak with an Iris type grill. Thanks.
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<SPAN
class=722013213-31012006>Un the Sukhoi and my SP the whole cowl is MUCH stronger
than the standard 50/52 cowl. For example, the front of the cowl is shaped like
a wing there is baffling on the inside of the cowl that gives great strength.
Also there are support arms from all cylinders to the cowl (see attached
picture) I bet you have wondered what those bolts on the front of the cylinder
were for, well guess no more because they are the mounting for the support
arms.
<SPAN
class=722013213-31012006>
<SPAN
class=722013213-31012006>The diameter of the cowl opening is also slightly
smaller hence the gap on a 52 cowl when the flaps are
closed.
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<SPAN
class=722013213-31012006>Hope this helps
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<SPAN
class=722013213-31012006>Gus
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GS11 Mark G
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:22 PM
'yak-list@matronics.com'
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Iris Instead of
Grills
Hello Mark,
This is ANOTHER "Mark" so this is bound to get
confusing. Tim mentioned my experience in regard to flying without
gills, so I thought I would bring my experiences in this regard to
light.
There have been a number of people who have replaced the gill
system with the IRIS system, and the conversion is fairly simple. One
thing to keep in mind is that there are two different types of systems for
controlling the IRIS. The original system found on most Sukhoi 26's and
their ilk used two cables in semi hard tubes that each fed to a round wheel on
the IRIS itself. In the cockpit there is a control LEVER that pulls on
one cable at a time... obviously as you pull on one cable (and put it into
tension) the other moves backwards and is slack and at that point the wheel on
the IRIS pulls keeping it taught. Just picture two cables attached
180 degrees apart to the outer rim of a wheel and you'll get the
picture.
The newer method (and more preferable by far) is found on the
newer SU-31's, and uses a HARD TUBE PUSH/PULL ROD very close to what controls
the original YAK prop and gills. If you get the NEWER IRIS, you should
be able to use the existing YAK control that comes on the aircraft that used
to control your gills.
Ok, now the bad news.
My YAK-50 came with the Les Crowder big spinner mod. (I mean
as in HUGE.. looks good though, and I have been told that this is really a
YAK-18T spinner, but I don't know for sure). Anyway, this mod required
all the gills to be removed.
So, when I originally bought the aircraft, it had 110 hours on
it since new, and away I went... no gills, no problem, who cares anyway?
After about 150 additional hours or so, I started getting all
sorts of cracking on the cowling leading edges. Then the hollow tubes
that the front of the top and bottom cowling are riveted to, started cracking
too. This problem became more serious as time went on, because at the
same time, the little red tubes/struts that hold the cowl MOUNTING ring in
place started to crack and break TOO! These are the little adjustable
things that bolt to the front of each cylinder and go straight out to the cowl
mounting ring.
At the time, I could not imagine what was causing all
this. When my cowl was closed, it closed fairly firmly on the front cowl
ring I just described above. I thought this might be the problem so I
loosened everything up. Wrong Answer. The problem got worse.
I put soft fabric material between the mounting ring and the
cowl ring.... this helped a little, but it could still easily be seen that
things were just vibrating too darn much. I might also mention that my
two bladed prop was also out of balance quite a bit. Balanced the
prop.... and that helped, but did not STOP the problem.
I then got the chance to study a YAK-52 up close and personal,
and could see that those gills added quite a lot of support to that front cowl
ring. So, I made four adjustable struts out of stainless steel
tubing.... identical in design and function to the ones coming straight out
from the cylinder attachment points, but for these... I ran them out from the
front of the engine supercharger cover (using the same mounting studs that the
IRIS would attach to) HORIZONTALLY to the front cowl ring. Four of them,
one every 90 degrees. These acted like spokes on a wheel, and gave back
the support that the original gills had.
Result? Problem cured. No more cowling damage...
problem is 100% FIXED.
This leads me to advise AGAINST putting an IRIS system on a
YAK-50/52, UNLESS you also take additional steps to support that front cowl
ring. There are a lot of other factors involved here... such as: "What
condition are your engine mounting rubbers in?" Bottom line, the front
of the cowls MUST MOVE WITH THE ENGINE, and if you take out the gills, you
basically have a situation best pictured by imagining a person holding a
HULA-HOOP out in front of himself with outstretched arms. Then picture
something/ANYTHING, "hanging from the hula-hoop itself"... you can see, there
just is not any structural strength in that kind of assembly. Put the
gills in, and mount the gills to the engine itself, and you can see that the
above picture regains all of its strength.
By the bye, this is yet another reason to keep those leather
mounting pads in good condition that are located on the engine itself.
These ALSO provide quite an amount of structural support to the whole upper
and lower cowl.
Sorry for the long post, but the details were needed in my
opinion.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
Here are some other interesting things that I learned the hard
way about... last week!
p.s. Another tid bit for the YAK list. The
YAK-52/50/55 and the Sukhoi-26/29/31 AND the CJ-6, all use the exact same
piston in the air-compressor relief valve. This piston and seal are what
you adjust to control the peak pressure in your air system in the
aircraft. Doug Sapp sells the whole assy. for the CJ.... and you can
take it right apart, take out the piston and spring (and locking nut) and put
the whole mess into your YAK, if you want to do that instead of repair what
you have with a new rubber bushing. Here's the TID BIT: The
YAK-52W (and I am GUESSING the YAK-52TW as well) has a DIFFERENT PISTON in the
pressure relief assy. It is slightly BIGGER and is NOT a direct
replacement with all the others mentioned earlier. Why not? Go
figure.
p.p.s. YAK-52W guys... did you know that there is an
emergency pressure relief valve behind the seat that allows you to eliminate
emergency air pressure to the landing gear without having to crack fittings
and jack and cycle the gear, if you ever do happen to open the emergency
bottle valve?
p.p.p.s. For those aircraft with the manual engine
starting valves (YAK-55, Sukhoi's) be aware that the rubber replacement tab
for the starter valve MUST have a whole cut in the middle of it. Ignore
that fact, and the lever will work a few times and then fail forever. Trust me
on this and save yourself a lot of head scratching.
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Can anyone tell me if it is practical to replace the grills on
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I like this idea as well as Jon's. Things like this do seem to work. Thanks for
the input and let's add it to our "arsenal" if need be. - Val
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
I am doing the W&B on a CJ6A for a friend. I am trying to find a full
set of stations for doing the calculation without having to go back to
the Chinese book and figure it out all over again.
I was looking through the archives where we had a big discussion of this
(and one of the famous McCoy/Lloyd flamefests) in May of '02. The
problem is, I can't find a complete set of stations from a standard
datum plane that includes the rear skid or tailcone for the placement of
lead to get the CG back in range.
Yes, I could go back out to the airplane with a tape measure and plumb
bob to figure it out but I suspect that there are a couple of people on
this list who could just answer the question and save me the time and trip.
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- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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David, Very cool site. I was just looking for this. Thanks! - Val
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| Subject: | Re: Going after overzealous Feds |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
John W. Cox wrote:
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> A most effective method is known as "Congressionalizing". Turns out a
>...
> Be sure you reference the facts to support your claim clearly to your
> elected official. The case is not closed until the elected official is
> comfortable the issue has been properly addressed. This is not a
> maneuver that is publicly communicated.
That is fine. When my father was in congress he had staff dedicated to
solving problems constituents had with various government agencies. His
standing rule for his staff was to *always* assume that the federal
agency was wrong and to work from there.
I have had some experience with today's members. Most seem to have the
opposite attitude and constituent complaints more and more fall on deaf
ears. If you have a congresscritter who actually listens and goes to bat
for you, you better do all you can to keep him or her there.
But your point is well taken. It is just that, for some reason, it
doesn't always work. Both Bob Hoover and Bill Bainbridge tried to go
that route to no avail.
> You will get the government you deserve. It does not require money or
> an attorney.
No, and the problem is, because we have been collectively stupid and
complacent, we are getting all the government we deserve. Unfortunately
I don't think *anyone* really deserves what we are getting.
I do think it is time to get serious about this.
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brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
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| Subject: | Useful VFR Maps Site |
Yes, VFR maps are a new thing for me, now that I have a Yak.. :-) High
alt and Jepps are no good in this bugger.. fun to actually fly again..
David
52 TW
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valkyre1
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Useful VFR Maps Site
David, Very cool site. I was just looking for this. Thanks! - Val
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| Subject: | Re: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium) |
[some of you will want to hit delete now]
Brian,
At the risk of sounding like a bad spy movie... I can't tell ya any more
about the specifics of FFDO operations including our ballistics or I'd hafta kill
ya. Actually, I'd probably end up on charges. All that I can say is that the
whole thing is very well monitored and thought out. The only reason I said
anything about having been one is that I am now retired.
I can hear the other Yak Listers desperately banging on their delete buttons
and screaming "Oh Lord please make it stop and just get back to sharing pertinant
Yak info!!!!"
For their sakes I'll try to find time for more friendly verbal sparring with
you via email. I do have, of course, an article re: nuclear waste disposal contradicting
yours. (Heh, heh).
The CJ6 that I was so close to purchasing some months ago had issues that I
was not willing to deal with, so I am currently going to Tennissee to look at
another that seems to be a very nice one.
Wish me luck - Val
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| Subject: | Re: Iris Instead of Grills |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "marksorenson" <marksorenson@sprintpcs.com>
Again thanks for all your responses to my question. My Grils are repairable I
am sure They close fine but when open they shimmy quite a bit durring my routine.
I do have the summer time ring, i guess that is what you call it, to install
when it gets warmer. I haven't taken a close look at it yet to see exactly
how it goes on, but I was assuming that the entire support ring would come
off and this would go on in its place. My Yak is the 55M. However listening
to some of your comments I am not sure if removing the support ring is the way
to go for my summer flying. Currently I only use the grills for warm up and
then once the power goes up it usually stays up for my routine and cooling temps
isn't usually a problem as I don't have any enroute time to the box.
Where I notice most of my wear is on the inner ring close to the crank. The holes
are so elongated that there are a couple that are almost worn through the
edge. I was first wondering if there was a replace ring part available for rebuilding
the grills. The Iris just seemed like a simple device and just as functional.
Maybe that isn't exactly the case. Again, thanks for all the imput.
--------
Mark Sorenson
Tigerbatics N921GRrrrrr
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8424#8424
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "marksorenson" <marksorenson@sprintpcs.com>
Greg,
I actually built my house in mine. I have a 7000sq ft. hangar and made a two story 5000 sq ft. home inside leaving me 4000 sq ft of hangar space for planes. I used a company called BaxSteel in Baxly, GA. Our entire fly-in community is full of hangar homes (20 to be exact) and most of us went with Bax Steel. They are awsome to work with and probably the best design hangar I have seen. They even do Hyd swing, by-fold, or sliders if you want. All in house. I know this sounds like an add, but if you ever get to Senoia, GA (Big T) 64GA. Our field looks like their show room. Again awsome people to work with. http://www.bax-steel.com/products.htm
--------
Mark Sorenson
Tigerbatics N921GRrrrrr
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| Subject: | Re: Useful VFR Maps Site |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "marksorenson" <marksorenson@sprintpcs.com>
Great! Not that you all found that site. Plan on visiting me at 64GA, March 4th
for a fly-in.
--------
Mark Sorenson
Tigerbatics N921GRrrrrr
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Val,
If you have time, contact me off list, since the list did away with the
senders email address I cannot contact you directly.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Valkyre1
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:13 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was:
Radium) [some of you will want to hit delete now]
Brian,
At the risk of sounding like a bad spy movie... I can't tell ya any
more about the specifics of FFDO operations including our ballistics or I'd
hafta kill ya. Actually, I'd probably end up on charges. All that I can say
is that the whole thing is very well monitored and thought out. The only
reason I said anything about having been one is that I am now retired.
I can hear the other Yak Listers desperately banging on their delete
buttons and screaming "Oh Lord please make it stop and just get back to
sharing pertinant Yak info!!!!"
For their sakes I'll try to find time for more friendly verbal
sparring with you via email. I do have, of course, an article re: nuclear
waste disposal contradicting yours. (Heh, heh).
The CJ6 that I was so close to purchasing some months ago had issues
that I was not willing to deal with, so I am currently going to Tennissee to
look at another that seems to be a very nice one.
Wish me luck - Val
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6A: stations for CG calculation |
Some 11 year ago when I got the CJ- IA Bill Freeze at DRV did mine and I
have used this ever since.
The Zero Datum is 70 inches in front of the first vertical bulk head
("second firewall")
Oil tank at +57"
Pilot at +114"
Pax at +161"
Fuel at +133.5"
L main gear +128.75
R main gear +128.75
Nose gear +40.25
Tail cone (where I keep the ballast ) +335"
C/G range +111.2" to +116.1"
Hope that's a help.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
I am doing the W&B on a CJ6A for a friend. I am trying to find a full
set of stations for doing the calculation without having to go back to
the Chinese book and figure it out all over again.
I was looking through the archives where we had a big discussion of this
(and one of the famous McCoy/Lloyd flamefests) in May of '02. The
problem is, I can't find a complete set of stations from a standard
datum plane that includes the rear skid or tailcone for the placement of
lead to get the CG back in range.
Yes, I could go back out to the airplane with a tape measure and plumb
bob to figure it out but I suspect that there are a couple of people on
this list who could just answer the question and save me the time and trip.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6A: stations for CG calculation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I have a datum 24" forward of the prop axial plane. You could easily
just use the prop as the datum and subtract 24" from all the stations.
Prop = 24"
engine = 45"
Nosewheel=57"
accessory section=60"
oil = 69"
front seat=123"
jack point = 129"
front spar = 131.5"
main wheels = 146.5"
fuel = 149"
rear seat = 174"
avionics rack = =188"
battery box = 199"
adf rack = 214"
tail skid = 338"
Forward CG limt 127.93" (Front of MAC +11.7")
Aft CG limit = 132.80" (fron of MAC + 16.57")
front of MAC = 116.23"
CG range = 4.9"
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
Check out http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=6
all the email addresses are there.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8469#8469
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| Subject: | Re: Iris Instead of Grills |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
Mark,
I have the Sukhoi Iris on a Yak-55 without any problems. The second owner
installed them, I'm the 3rd owner and would guess they've been on the plane
for atleast 3 years or more. The Yak-55 and 55M cowls are very similar, the
only differences I noticed were some extra cooling gills as well as enlarged
cooling gills in the sides and an extra access panel. I have another friend
who flew a Yak-55M without any grills or Iris (in the Northeast during
Spring, Summer and Fall only) in airshows for years and he also had no
problems. In the Yak-55 with the iris fully expanded I would estimate there
is about 2 inches of clearance between the cowling and the iris.
That being said I've occasionally wondered if there is a differences in
terms of engine longevity between using the grills and the iris as I would
think the grills server to increase or decrease air flow to the engine
fairly uniformly over the length of the cylinders whereas the iris when
operated from fully closed to fully expanded would tend to increase the air
velocity at the upper ends of the cylinders as it decreased air at the lower
ends presumably resulting in a thermal gradient across the cylinder from the
base to the heads. At their extreme with the iris fully expanded in the
Yak-55 and 2 inches clearance from the cowl, the air is accelerated thru
that 2 inch space directed toward the tops of the cyliners only. Again this
is only an "hmmmm, I wonder...." on my part.
If you want more or need details such as photos, let me know and I'll see
what I can do.
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: "marksorenson" <marksorenson@sprintpcs.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Iris Instead of Grills
--> Yak-List message posted by: "marksorenson" <marksorenson@sprintpcs.com>
Again thanks for all your responses to my question. My Grils are repairable
I am sure They close fine but when open they shimmy quite a bit durring my
routine. I do have the summer time ring, i guess that is what you call it,
to install when it gets warmer. I haven't taken a close look at it yet to
see exactly how it goes on, but I was assuming that the entire support ring
would come off and this would go on in its place. My Yak is the 55M.
However listening to some of your comments I am not sure if removing the
support ring is the way to go for my summer flying. Currently I only use
the grills for warm up and then once the power goes up it usually stays up
for my routine and cooling temps isn't usually a problem as I don't have any
enroute time to the box.
Where I notice most of my wear is on the inner ring close to the crank. The
holes are so elongated that there are a couple that are almost worn through
the edge. I was first wondering if there was a replace ring part available
for rebuilding the grills. The Iris just seemed like a simple device and
just as functional. Maybe that isn't exactly the case. Again, thanks for
all the imput.
--------
Mark Sorenson
Tigerbatics N921GRrrrrr
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8424#8424
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| Subject: | Re: Iris Instead of Grills |
Mark you can fix that inner ring by having all the holes welded up and then
redrilled. Sounds like a pain in the rear, but it is not all that difficult
really.
By the way, I have no experience with 55's. It is possible that their cowl
is much stronger in design than the 52/50 design. For example the Sukhoi
design is MUCH stronger than the YAK's.
Good luck,
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of marksorenson
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Iris Instead of Grills
--> Yak-List message posted by: "marksorenson" <marksorenson@sprintpcs.com>
Again thanks for all your responses to my question. My Grils are repairable
I am sure They close fine but when open they shimmy quite a bit durring my
routine. I do have the summer time ring, i guess that is what you call it,
to install when it gets warmer. I haven't taken a close look at it yet to
see exactly how it goes on, but I was assuming that the entire support ring
would come off and this would go on in its place. My Yak is the 55M.
However listening to some of your comments I am not sure if removing the
support ring is the way to go for my summer flying. Currently I only use
the grills for warm up and then once the power goes up it usually stays up
for my routine and cooling temps isn't usually a problem as I don't have any
enroute time to the box.
Where I notice most of my wear is on the inner ring close to the crank. The
holes are so elongated that there are a couple that are almost worn through
the edge. I was first wondering if there was a replace ring part available
for rebuilding the grills. The Iris just seemed like a simple device and
just as functional. Maybe that isn't exactly the case. Again, thanks for
all the imput.
--------
Mark Sorenson
Tigerbatics N921GRrrrrr
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8424#8424
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Iris Instead of Grills |
Yes, that would be the engine gearbox cover. Thanks for the correction.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: RE: Iris Instead of Grills
Mark G wrote:
>
>I ran them out from the front of the
>engine supercharger cover
Hmmm, could that be the engine gearbox cover?
>(using the same mounting studs that the IRIS would
>attach to) HORIZONTALLY to the front cowl ring. Four of them, one every 90
>degrees. These acted like spokes on a wheel, and gave back the support
that
>the original gills had.
>
>Result? Problem cured. No more cowling damage... problem is 100% FIX
>
I too have removed the gills but left the gill outer ring in place with the
original mounting rods. Since I have the Crowder spinner in place now, I'm
watching it all very closely. Another problem I have noticed on cowls
without gills is that the cowl skin UNDER the lower mounting brackets tend
to crack through around the bracket that holds the "donuts" the pins go
through. Doublers on the skin are required.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | RedStar S. E. Region Pilots |
Troops of the SE Region.
I want to thank the guys who nominated me as a candidate for the new South
East Region Representative to the RedStar Pilot's Association Board.
However there are a bunch of new guys running for the SE region seat also
and they are very good and willing. It would be good to have some "new blood"
on the board so I am declining this nomination. Believe me, I appreciate it
but this is a good way to get the new guys envolved.
I will be still be doing my normal check pilot / instructing, working with
the newsletter crew (great fun by the way), and will support RPA in every way.
I will try to run for the national "at large" board seats a little later, -
IF the membership so desires.
Thank you.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Drew, Could you E-com this out to just the SE members? Thanks. Pappy
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
That's true if you want to mess with the BBS forum which I don't. But I
don't fully understand why your address appears below? I'm just a old fart
who really does not like change, the old system worked fine, why change it?
I spend far to many hours on this infernal machine anyway, so all I ask is
to make is easier, and quicker. IMHO when you want to reply the address
should be with the post, as it is below (if we are both looking at the same
thing) which I have a hunch we are not.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scooter
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:53 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
Check out http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=6
all the email addresses are there.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6A: stations for CG calculation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Ernest Martinez wrote:
> Prop = 24"
> engine = 45"
> Nosewheel=57"
> accessory section=60"
> oil = 69"
> front seat=123"
> jack point = 129"
> front spar = 131.5"
> main wheels = 146.5"
> fuel = 149"
> rear seat = 174"
> avionics rack = =188"
> battery box = 199"
> adf rack = 214"
> tail skid = 338"
>
> Forward CG limt 127.93" (Front of MAC +11.7")
> Aft CG limit = 132.80" (fron of MAC + 16.57")
> front of MAC = 116.23"
>
> CG range = 4.9"
Well, so far everyone looks consistent.
Brian
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6A: stations for CG calculation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> */The Zero Datum is 70 inches in front of the first vertical bulk head
> ("second firewall")/*
> *//*
> */Oil tank at +57"/*
> */Pilot at +114"/*
> */Pax at +161"/*
> */Fuel at +133.5"/*
> */L main gear +128.75/*
> */R main gear +128.75/*
> */Nose gear +40.25/*
> */Tail cone (where I keep the ballast ) +335"/*
> */C/G range +111.2" to +116.1"/*
> *//*
> */Hope that's a help./*
Works beautifully. Thank you.
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I don't think they have. I just pulled your off this message.
rvfltd@televar.com
It take a little finis but you right click on the from address in the preview frame.
Click on properties and the senders address is in the header text.
Val's is Valkyre1@comcast.net
Cy Galley - http://tinyurl.com/9ht2q
www.aaca.org/mvr
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ
Val,
If you have time, contact me off list, since the list did away with the senders
email address I cannot contact you directly.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Valkyre1
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 7:13 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium)
[some of you will want to hit delete now]
Brian,
At the risk of sounding like a bad spy movie... I can't tell ya any more
about the specifics of FFDO operations including our ballistics or I'd hafta
kill ya. Actually, I'd probably end up on charges. All that I can say is that
the whole thing is very well monitored and thought out. The only reason I said
anything about having been one is that I am now retired.
I can hear the other Yak Listers desperately banging on their delete buttons
and screaming "Oh Lord please make it stop and just get back to sharing
pertinant Yak info!!!!"
For their sakes I'll try to find time for more friendly verbal sparring
with you via email. I do have, of course, an article re: nuclear waste disposal
contradicting yours. (Heh, heh).
The CJ6 that I was so close to purchasing some months ago had issues that
I was not willing to deal with, so I am currently going to Tennissee to look
at another that seems to be a very nice one.
Wish me luck - Val
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| Subject: | Overzealous Feds |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Brian said "I do think it is time to get serious about this."
I couldn't agree more, Brian!
You gotta get serious, folks.....your freedom's riding on it!
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
K32
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Going after overzealous Feds
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
John W. Cox wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> A most effective method is known as "Congressionalizing". Turns out a
>... Be sure you reference the facts to support your claim clearly to
>your elected official. The case is not closed until the elected
>official is comfortable the issue has been properly addressed. This
>is not a maneuver that is publicly communicated.
That is fine. When my father was in congress he had staff dedicated to
solving problems constituents had with various government agencies. His
standing rule for his staff was to *always* assume that the federal agency
was wrong and to work from there.
I have had some experience with today's members. Most seem to have the
opposite attitude and constituent complaints more and more fall on deaf
ears. If you have a congresscritter who actually listens and goes to bat for
you, you better do all you can to keep him or her there.
But your point is well taken. It is just that, for some reason, it doesn't
always work. Both Bob Hoover and Bill Bainbridge tried to go that route to
no avail.
> You will get the government you deserve. It does not require money or
> an attorney.
No, and the problem is, because we have been collectively stupid and
complacent, we are getting all the government we deserve. Unfortunately I
don't think *anyone* really deserves what we are getting.
I do think it is time to get serious about this.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Fun to fly again |
David
You said "fun to actually fly again". Geeze, your aren't kidding :)
Now make sure to thank the EAA for making it possible!
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
K32
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Useful VFR Maps Site
Yes, VFR maps are a new thing for me, now that I have a Yak.. :-) High
alt and Jepps are no good in this bugger.. fun to actually fly again..
David
52 TW
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valkyre1
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Useful VFR Maps Site
David, Very cool site. I was just looking for this. Thanks! - Val
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| Subject: | Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium) |
[some of you will want to hit delete now]
Val
Buy a 52 :)
Frank
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valkyre1
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium)
[some of you will want to hit delete now]
Brian,
At the risk of sounding like a bad spy movie... I can't tell ya any
more about the specifics of FFDO operations including our ballistics or I'd
hafta kill ya. Actually, I'd probably end up on charges. All that I can say
is that the whole thing is very well monitored and thought out. The only
reason I said anything about having been one is that I am now retired.
I can hear the other Yak Listers desperately banging on their delete
buttons and screaming "Oh Lord please make it stop and just get back to
sharing pertinant Yak info!!!!"
For their sakes I'll try to find time for more friendly verbal sparring
with you via email. I do have, of course, an article re: nuclear waste
disposal contradicting yours. (Heh, heh).
The CJ6 that I was so close to purchasing some months ago had issues
that I was not willing to deal with, so I am currently going to Tennissee to
look at another that seems to be a very nice one.
Wish me luck - Val
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| Subject: | Re: Overzealous Feds |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Brian said "I do think it is time to get serious about this."
>
> I couldn't agree more, Brian!
>
> You gotta get serious, folks.....your freedom's riding on it!
Something's wrong here. Frank and I agree on something. :-)
And it does pertain to Yaks and CJs as we have instruments that might be
targeted by an overzealous fed.
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Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Check your computers folks. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "fraseg" <fraseg@comcast.net>
Today I got a security alert from our information security folks. There is a virus
doing the rounds. It is called the karma sutra virus and it will kick off
on the 3rd of Feb and every 3rd of the month after that.
It is described as a very destructive virus so make sure before the third that
you check that your virus defenition files are all up to date and check your systems
before then.
I would hate to loose any of my brother and sisters to a karma sutra virus.
It will only affect windows systems so you Mac dudes are ok.
Heads up
Gus
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strongTo fly is to live, to do aerobatics is to enjoy life./strong
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8583#8583
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Jim, could you contact me of the list HYPERLINK
"mailto:mbeach@hartwigs.com.au"mbeach@hartwigs.com.au
Thanks Michael
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 4 sale
Mike,
It's not that kind of filter. It's job (as I understand it) is to smooth
out the current from the generator. Its not a noise filter.
Pappy
Jim, what type of wave filter do you have as I=92m getting a lot of static
through the radio.
Rgs Michael Beach
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:23 AM
Subject: Yak-List: 4 sale
Troops.
I just replaced my generator with an alternator. In doing so I needed to
remove the generator, regulator and wave filter.
The regulator is gone to a new home.
The 25 lbs Chinese generator has about 1,400 hours on it (that's how much
I've put on it) and is working perfectly. $250.00
The wave filter has the same amount of time, and it too is working. $50.00
Plus I have a set of polished wheel rims. $400.00
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
386-467-3313 H
386-559-1942 C
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Terry, I had the same thing happen on my CJ. Any of the shuttle valves may cause
any gear to hang on retraction. I found a bad shuttle valve on the right grear
uplock that caused the problem. I had to take ALL of them out and inspect them.
One was very bad and another was leaking slowly, pressurizing the emergency
system.
By the way I still have the gills that Les Crowder removed to install his huge
spinner( which I replaced with an M-14 and YAK 18t spinner and gill assy. Anyone
need them?.....John
Terry, I had the same thing happen on my CJ. Any of the shuttle valves may cause
any gear to hang on retraction. I found a bad shuttle valve on the right grear
uplock that caused the problem. I had to take ALL of them out and inspect them.
One was very bad and another was leaking slowly, pressurizing the emergency
system.
By the way I still have the gills that Les Crowder removedto installhis huge spinner(
which I replaced with an M-14 and YAK 18t spinner and gill assy. Anyone
need them?.....John
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| Subject: | Re: Going after overzealous Feds |
--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Group,
It is funny the subject of congress comes up now on this form, as I was just
talking about this issue at work last week.
In the last election, approx 28% of the eligible voters voted! So the minority
of the people are making the decisions for the many that abdicate their responsibility.......
As a group if we can all get togeather on this, we can change things for the
better.
Fly Safe
John Fischer
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>John W. Cox wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>>
>> A most effective method is known as "Congressionalizing". Turns out a
>>...
>> Be sure you reference the facts to support your claim clearly to your
>> elected official. The case is not closed until the elected official is
>> comfortable the issue has been properly addressed. This is not a
>> maneuver that is publicly communicated.
>
>That is fine. When my father was in congress he had staff dedicated to
>solving problems constituents had with various government agencies. His
>standing rule for his staff was to *always* assume that the federal
>agency was wrong and to work from there.
>
>I have had some experience with today's members. Most seem to have the
>opposite attitude and constituent complaints more and more fall on deaf
>ears. If you have a congresscritter who actually listens and goes to bat
>for you, you better do all you can to keep him or her there.
>
>But your point is well taken. It is just that, for some reason, it
>doesn't always work. Both Bob Hoover and Bill Bainbridge tried to go
>that route to no avail.
>
>> You will get the government you deserve. It does not require money or
>> an attorney.
>
>No, and the problem is, because we have been collectively stupid and
>complacent, we are getting all the government we deserve. Unfortunately
>I don't think *anyone* really deserves what we are getting.
>
>I do think it is time to get serious about this.
>
>--
>Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
>brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
>+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
>I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
>- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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