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1. 01:30 AM - Re: Chutes for sale (Jerome Van der Schaar)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Wing Over Miami (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 05:29 AM - Re: help wanted ! (Roger Kemp)
4. 05:53 AM - Re: Flight suits, again..... (Fraser, Gus)
5. 06:01 AM - Re: Flight Suits -The dead horse RISES (Fraser, Gus)
6. 06:43 AM - Re: help wanted ! (Markus Feyerabend)
7. 06:48 AM - Oxygen masks (Brian Lloyd)
8. 06:55 AM - fire retardency, cotton, wool (was: Flight suits, again.....) (Brian Lloyd)
9. 06:59 AM - Re: Flight suits, again..... (Beverly and Cameron Donnelly)
10. 07:13 AM - Re: Flight suits, again..... (Fraser, Gus)
11. 07:44 AM - Re: Wing Over Miami (Ernest Martinez)
12. 08:51 AM - Re: help wanted ! (Daniel Fortin)
13. 08:53 AM - compensation (doug sapp)
14. 09:01 AM - Re: compensation (ggg6@att.net)
15. 09:38 AM - Re: compensation (Fraser, Gus)
16. 09:39 AM - Re: Flight suits, again..... (John W. Hilterman Jr.)
17. 09:42 AM - 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed. (Fraser, Gus)
18. 09:58 AM - Re: 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed. (A. Dennis Savarese)
19. 10:12 AM - Re: compensation (doug sapp)
20. 10:12 AM - fabric and suits (Mark Jefferies YAK Uk)
21. 10:18 AM - Re: compensation (Roger Kemp)
22. 10:18 AM - Re: 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed. (Fraser, Gus)
23. 10:52 AM - Re: compensation (Roger Kemp)
24. 10:54 AM - Re: fabric and suits (Roger Kemp)
25. 12:41 PM - Re: fire retardency, cotton, wool (was: Flight suits, again.....) (Sarah Tobin)
26. 12:51 PM - [feedback] 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed. [feedback] (Fraser, Gus)
27. 01:02 PM - Re: Flight Suits -The dead horse RISES (Sarah Tobin)
28. 01:24 PM - Re: 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed. (cgalley)
29. 01:57 PM - Helmets (Jorgen Nielsen)
30. 01:58 PM - Re: fabric and suits (Beverly and Cameron Donnelly)
31. 02:11 PM - Re: Helmets (Fraser, Gus)
32. 02:48 PM - Re: compensation (Brian Lloyd)
33. 02:59 PM - Re: compensation (Brian Lloyd)
34. 03:17 PM - Re: fire retardency, cotton, wool (was: Flight suits, again.....) (Brian Lloyd)
35. 04:19 PM - Re: fire retardency, cotton, wool (was: Flight suits, again.....) (Roger Kemp)
36. 04:28 PM - MOON's over MYHAMMY (Frank Haertlein)
37. 04:48 PM - Re: Oxygen masks (Shinden33)
38. 05:09 PM - Flight Suits (Ashley Battles)
39. 05:38 PM - Re: Oxygen masks (Brian Lloyd)
40. 09:11 PM - Re: Mikes and O2 Masks (Cliff Umscheid)
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Hi Dan,
Just contacted the factory, and yes these chutes are TSO certified, see
answer below of the factory.
Regards,
Jerome
----------------------------------------------------
Dear Sir,
Thanks for your inquiry.
Yes, the RE-5L has the TSO-Certification. Enclosed please find the related
Product Information.
Best regards
Harald Wilhelm
Prokurist, Produktmanager
SPEKON, Saechsische Spezialkonfektion GmbH,
Gewerbering 4, D-02782 Seifhennersdorf
Tel.: ++49 3586 456 145
Fax: ++49 3586 456 200
e-mail: wilhelm@spekon.com
www.spekon.com
>From: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Yak-List: Chutes for sale
>Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:10:06 +0000
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>
>Jerome,
>
>Unfortunately for you, the FAA doesn't see it that way. To the best of my
>knowledge, unless it is TSO certified (and visualy indicated) they canot be
>used in a US aircraft.
>
>My 2cents.
>
>Dan
>
>
>>From: "Jerome van der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
>>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: RE: Yak-List: Chutes for sale
>>Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:13:59 +0100 (West-Europa (standaardtijd))
>>
>>Dan,
>>
>>Chutes are JAA form 1 certified, which is pretty much the same.
>>
>>Jerome
>>
>>
>>-------Original Message-------
>>
>>From: Daniel Fortin
>>Date: 02/12/06 12:59:46
>>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RE: Yak-List: Chutes for sale
>>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>>
>>Jerome,
>>
>>Are the perachute TSO certified?
>>
>>Dan
>>
>>
>> >From: "Jerome van der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
>> >To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> >Subject: Yak-List: Chutes for sale
>> >Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:57:26 +0100 (West-Europa (standaardtijd))
>> >
>> >Hello,
>> >
>> >I've got two parachutes for sale:
>> >
>> >RE-5 L Series 5, emergency Parachute for jump master and crew members
>> >Characteristics Series 5
>> >Activation automatic
>> >Operating speed 0 - 327 km/h
>> >Gross weight 50 - 115 kg
>> >Canopy area 42 sqm Rate of descent 6,5 m/s (100 kg)
>> >Min. deployment altitude 60 m
>> >Pack dimensions (cm) 55x37x9 Weight (kg) 7,5 Pack intervall 360 days
>> >For images: http://www.spekon.de/fall_rettung_re-5l_eng.htm
>> >
>> >Any interest? please contact me at info@yakkes.com
>> >
>> >Ciao,
>> >
>> >Jerome
>> ><< 350933_new.jpg >>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Over Miami |
This was assuming you were expecting getting fuel/oil. It might be noted
that several years ago at TICO a private pilot in the airshow was "put apon"
(not sited) by the FAA monitoring the show, for eating a free sandwich provide
in the pilot's tent until it was pointed out that ALL the airshow staff was
eating those sandwiches.
If you are not getting compensated of course you don't need a commercial.
Come on Ernie! Go get that commercial! You are definitely smart enough.
(Of course there is that question of your flying skills. ;-D )
Pappy
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You need a commercial, even if youre not being compsnsated???
Ernie
On 2/13/06, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> This next week-end Feb. 17-18-19 is the Wings Over Miami airshow at Tamiami
> airport. A number of RPA members are members of WOM and usually
participate
> in this show. The WOM usually takes care of fuel used during the show.
> This year because of finances they are unable to provide rooms or
> transportation. It is a 501-3c organization so all expenses are
deductible.
>
> You do not have to be a member of WOM to participate in the airshow, but
> must have a commercial, current second class physical, and current FAST
> card. I'll be going down there mid day on Friday (maybe earlier).
>
> All aircraft are welcome. Sam Sax is the contact down there.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
The 33 was used initially for the heavy guys. (Big Ugly F@#$'s, Herc's
,ect). Not anymore as I understand.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Shinden33 <shinden33@earthlink.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/13/2006 11:14:35 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: help wanted !
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
>
> Dan,
>
> You can buy one of the 55 or 33's with both the boom mic and Oxygen mask?
So
> it is wired for a mic in both the boom and the mask or do you switch them
> out?
>
> Also you mentioned the 55 was designed for fighter pilots. What was the
33
> designed for?
>
> Can you use the military oxygen masks with civilan O2 systems?
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Fortin
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:30 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: help wanted !
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>
> Doug and all,
>
> I just bought a new helmet (from Flight Suit) and opted for a modified
> HGU55, modified in the sense that it is a 55 with the 33 visor on it.
>
> My logic is as follow; At first, I was going for the HGU84, which is
> basically a 55 but built for helicopters. Helicopters helmets are built
much
> stronger then their fix wing counterparts, which made me think I would be
> better protected with the helo style. The problems with helo helmet are:
> first the extra strength is on the side since most helo crash involve a
side
> impact and they are almost twice as heavy as a fix wing. I am a big guy,
but
> tough the extra weight on my neck while doing acro was to much a down fall
> compare to the extra protection (that will most likely not help me in a
fix
> wing crash). So I went with a fix wing. Why the HGU55 with the 33 visor
> instead of the strait HGU33? Simple, the HGU55 is designed for fighter
> pilots and is cut much higher in the back of the head then the HGU33 is.
The
> difference is the 55 allows greater head movement freedom which in my
> opinion is necessary for the type of flying I do.
>
> Total cost for an XL Painted Kevlar HGU55 (with HGU33 visor) with the top
of
> the line microphone, ANR, Oxygen mask connector (I need those for my
Fouga)
> interchangeable communication cords (2) and installation kit for
electrical
> power(from aircraft to ANR) comes to $1600US.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dan
>
>
> >From: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> >To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: help wanted !
> >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:53:31 -0600
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> >
> >Hi Doug
> >The HGU 33 with the single hidden visor is the most sought after and the
> >lightest especially if you get made of Kevlar instead of fiberglass. Next
> >is the HGU 55 which has a exposed single visor and is light. You can
order
> >an ANR kit from Headsets Inc and change it over yourself for about 130
> >bucks. That is who flightsuits INC uses.
> >The helo helmets are OK but are wider at the ear level and heavier. You
> >will notice it with acro. You don't need ANR with a well fitted helmet
in a
> >CJ. Good luck.
> >Jim Griffin
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> >To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:40 PM
> >Subject: RE: Yak-List: help wanted !
> >
> >
> >>--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> >>
> >>Need some help to further my education of helmets, What is best,
> >>affordable,
> >>etc. Who can tell me about the usability of GENTEX SPH-4B helicopter
> >>helmets?
> >>
> >>Always Yakin,
> >>Doug Sapp
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jerome van der
> >>Schaar
> >>Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:09 AM
> >>To: undisclosed-recipients@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Yak-List: help wanted !
> >>
> >>
> >>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome van der Schaar"
> >><jvds30@hotmail.com>
> >>
> >>For next airshow season, we are rebuilding an old English Bus into a vip
> >>unit. If you could be of any help for us, please have a look at:
> >>
> >>http://www.yakkes.com
> >>
> >>Thanks..
> >>
> >>Jerome
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| Subject: | Flight suits, again..... |
100 %, kinda like my nads just the way they are. Smash, if your interested
the carbon X underwear is not only not going to melt but will give extra
protection. When I said underwear I mean long johns type of stuff but
specifically they do make bras and I understand that they are the only
people to make them. The owners wife, a race car driver decided to start
making them for herself. The company is Design500
http://www.design500.com/index.htm <http://www.design500.com/index.htm>
Although the underwear is not advertised on the site they do do it just
call. The only problem with this stuff is they on hot days you have to be
TOTALLY hydrated. In an SFI rating 15 suit you will sweat, sorry men sweat
ladies perspire, so keep up with the gatearade, last you want to do is make
a mistake because you are groggy only to need the protection of the suit,
that would just be stupid :))
I have to say that there are times when I don't wear it because it is just
too hot but not many. Also not in the catalog they will make you a custom
fit flight suit that will give you Nascar type protection in a fire
situation, nads as well.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flight suits, again.....
I disagree with you guys that are saying that a flt suit is only good for
picking up chicks. Having worn a flight suit for the past 9 years, I have
come to know them quite well. Doc can probably back me up on this one...a
viper dude had his giblets roasted because he wore silk boxers on a flight
that ended poorly, but the rest of his body was fine. Point is, that it
isn't fire *proof*, but it is fire retardant. Had he been wearing cotton
drawers the story would be different.
I always wear cotton everything, and I mean everything when I fly my plane
OR when I am on any airliner. Why not give you the added chance of
survival? I don't wear a flt suit to acro competitions cuz I can't bring
myself to look like a dork wearing a flt suit when I am off duty....but I
think in an org like RPA that it isn't a bad idea. Go thru the smoke course
in OKC if you get a chance. They give you a gnd course on what happens in a
survivable airline crash and how the plastic melts on you. They show you
what happens to ladies that wear nylons on flights and dudes in polyester
pants...ick. Then they fill the cabin with 'chocolate smoke' and let you
see the limited vis in such a situation. Anyway, I go on, but the point
is...never compromise on safety! :)
Smash
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color=#0000ff size=2>100 %, kinda like my nads just the way they are. Smash, if
your interested the carbon X underwear is not only not going to melt but will
give extra protection. When I said underwear I mean long johns type of stuff but
specifically they do make bras and I understand that they are the only people to
make them. The owners wife, a race car driver decided to start making them for
herself. The company is Design500 <A
">http://www.design500.com/index.htmAlthough
the underwear is not advertised on the site they do do it just call. The only
problem with this stuff is they on hot days you have to be TOTALLY hydrated. In
an SFI rating 15 suit you will sweat, sorry men sweat ladies perspire, so keep
up with the gatearade, last you want to do is make a mistake because you are
groggy only to need the protection of the suit, that would just be stupid
:))
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I have to say that there are times when I don't wear it
because it is just too hot but not many. Also not in the catalog they will make
you a custom fit flight suit that will give you Nascar type protection in a fire
situation, nads as well.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah
Tobin
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:32 AM
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flight suits,
again.....
I disagree with you guys that are saying that a flt suit is only good for
picking up chicks. Having worn a flight suit for the past 9 years, I
have come to know them quite well. Doc can probably back me up on this
one...a viper dude had his giblets roasted because he wore silk boxers on a
flight that ended poorly, but the rest of his body was fine. Point is,
that it isn't fire *proof*, but it is fire retardant. Had he been
wearing cotton drawers the story would be different.
I always wear cotton everything, and I mean everything when I fly my
plane OR when I am on any airliner. Why not give you the added chance of
survival? I don't wear a flt suit to acro competitions cuz I can't bring
myself to look like a dork wearing a flt suit when I am off duty....but I
think in an org like RPA that it isn't a bad idea. Go thru the smoke
course in OKC if you get a chance. They give you a gnd course on what
happens in a survivable airline crash and how the plastic melts on you.
They show you what happens to ladies that wear nylons on flights and dudes in
polyester pants...ick. Then they fill the cabin with 'chocolate smoke'
and let you see the limited vis in such a situation. Anyway, I go on,
but the point is...never compromise on safety! :)
Smash
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| Subject: | Flight Suits -The dead horse RISES |
Doc I agree,
The reason I started taking this risk more seriously is that my tail wheel
long legged, bubble canopied baby poses risks that did not exist as much in
the Yak. There are too many stories of RV owners tipping over only to get
trapped.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Flight Suits -The dead horse RISES
Gang,
Personally, I wear a flight suit some of the time and don't other times.
Just depends on do I plan on getting crazy or not. Not worried about getting
lucky in the bar. After 32 years with the same bride, I don't need the
heartaches associated with infidelity! I got LUCKY!
I look at the flight suit as a way to minimize the risk of something getting
free from my pockets and end up the bellcrank on the backside of a loop,
Cuban 8, Split S ect.. I also hate sitting on my wallet on that parachute
for an hour also. I know I could just dump my pockets before I go fly. In
the summer down here in LA, I fly with shorts that have zippered cargo
pockets. Now that is a lot of exposed skin to Bar-B-Q if something torches.
Now, how many inflight YAK / ChiJAK fires have occured here in the Colonies
anyway? I can not recall any in my limited association with the RPA
community. Key word Brian, limited association!
As Stitch has said in the past, myself included, cotton offers more
protection from polonged exposure to fire than Nomex. All Nomex offers if
flash fire protection when the bang seat ,as some call it, launches your
little pink ass rudely out into that 00 to 600+ kts slipstream! We are not
talking about roasting the duck in the cockpit just sitting there in a
flaming pit. If that happens, well it was just your unlucky day! Just hope
you do not take to many deep breaths frying your lungs and were not wearing
your nylon/banlon party suit! It'll be along time on the ventilator and
hours spent in the OR/ Burn unit getting a new skin attached! That's if you
are worried about getting burned.
It all boils down to choices. It could be your chesnuts roasting in the
fire. Maybe mine if I have a bad day. When that day comes, I may or may not
have a flight suit on. Just depends ...just depends...just keep beat'n that
horse...As for the bar...Well some of the members need not need to worry
about getting lucky wearing a flight suit...A TRENCH COAT and a TENT would
be more fitting!
Viperdoc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com <mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Aint no sound like a Radial
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<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Doc I agree,
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>The reason I started taking this risk more seriously is that my
tail wheel long legged, bubble canopied baby poses risks that did not exist as
much in the Yak. There are too many stories of RV owners tipping over only to
get trapped.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Kemp
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:36 PM
yak-list
Subject: Yak-List: Flight Suits -The dead horse
RISES
Gang,
Personally, I wear a flight suit some of the time and don't other times.
Just depends on do I plan on getting crazy or not. Not worried about getting
lucky in the bar. After 32 years with the same bride, I don't need the
heartaches associated with infidelity! I got LUCKY!
I look at the flight suit as a way to minimize the risk of something
getting free from my pockets and end up the bellcrank on the backside of a
loop, Cuban 8, Split S ect.. I also hate sitting on my walleton that
parachute for an hour also. I know I could just dump my pockets before I
go fly. In the summer down here in LA, I fly with shorts that have zippered
cargo pockets. Now that is a lot of exposed skin to Bar-B-Q if something
torches. Now, how many inflight YAK / ChiJAK fires have occured here in the
Colonies anyway? I can not recall any in my limited association with the RPA
community. Key word Brian, limited association!
As Stitch has said in the past, myself included, cotton offers more
protection from polonged exposure to fire than Nomex. All Nomex offers if
flash fire protection when the bang seat ,as some call it, launches your
little pink ass rudely out into that 00 to 600+ kts slipstream! We are not
talking about roasting the duck in the cockpit just sitting there in a flaming
pit. If that happens, well it was just your unlucky day! Just hope you do not
take to many deep breaths frying your lungs and were not wearing your
nylon/banlon party suit! It'll be along time on the ventilator and hours spent
in the OR/ Burn unit getting a new skin attached! That's if you are worried
about getting burned.
It all boils down to choices. It could be your chesnuts roasting in the
fire. Maybe mine if I have a bad day. When that day comes, I may or may not
have a flight suit on. Just depends ...just depends...just keep beat'n that
horse...As for the bar...Well some of the members need not need to worry about
getting lucky wearing a flight suit...A TRENCH COAT and a TENTwould be
more fitting!
Viperdoc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
<A
">viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Markus Feyerabend <feyerabm@web.de>
Hello,
Sorry for stepping in here, but the 33 is nothing but the predecessor of the 55.
And the 33 came after the 22, which came after the 2A...
In principal, the 55 is a 33 shell (with some modifications) without the visor
housing and a different liner.
The biggest advantage of the 55 over the 33 was its lighter weight and lower profile
(no visor housing).
The drawback of the 55 over the 33 is that the visor will most likely be ripped
off during a high speed eject (>500kts), thats why the latest development is
the 68. The 68 still uses almost the same shell as the 33 (albeit exclusivley
made of graphite/kevlar instead of fibreglas) but again a different visor setup.
There is a multitude of different possible setups out and it requires a careful
look to identify what setup one has. On the other hand it offers a lot of room
for modifications and individual setups.
And no, the 33 was just as well a fighter helmet, as are the 55 and the 68, just
in a different era...
Markus
yak-list@matronics.com schrieb am 14.02.06 14:44:48:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> The 33 was used initially for the heavy guys. (Big Ugly F@#$'s, Herc's
> ,ect). Not anymore as I understand.
> Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Shinden33 <shinden33@earthlink.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 2/13/2006 11:14:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: help wanted !
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> > You can buy one of the 55 or 33's with both the boom mic and Oxygen mask?
> So
> > it is wired for a mic in both the boom and the mask or do you switch them
> > out?
> >
> > Also you mentioned the 55 was designed for fighter pilots. What was the
> 33
> > designed for?
> >
> > Can you use the military oxygen masks with civilan O2 systems?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Fortin
> > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:30 PM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: help wanted !
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Doug and all,
> >
> > I just bought a new helmet (from Flight Suit) and opted for a modified
> > HGU55, modified in the sense that it is a 55 with the 33 visor on it.
> >
> > My logic is as follow; At first, I was going for the HGU84, which is
> > basically a 55 but built for helicopters. Helicopters helmets are built
> much
> > stronger then their fix wing counterparts, which made me think I would be
> > better protected with the helo style. The problems with helo helmet are:
> > first the extra strength is on the side since most helo crash involve a
> side
> > impact and they are almost twice as heavy as a fix wing. I am a big guy,
> but
> > tough the extra weight on my neck while doing acro was to much a down fall
> > compare to the extra protection (that will most likely not help me in a
> fix
> > wing crash). So I went with a fix wing. Why the HGU55 with the 33 visor
> > instead of the strait HGU33? Simple, the HGU55 is designed for fighter
> > pilots and is cut much higher in the back of the head then the HGU33 is.
> The
> > difference is the 55 allows greater head movement freedom which in my
> > opinion is necessary for the type of flying I do.
> >
> > Total cost for an XL Painted Kevlar HGU55 (with HGU33 visor) with the top
> of
> > the line microphone, ANR, Oxygen mask connector (I need those for my
> Fouga)
> > interchangeable communication cords (2) and installation kit for
> electrical
> > power(from aircraft to ANR) comes to $1600US.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > >From: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> > >To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: help wanted !
> > >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:53:31 -0600
> > >
> > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> > >
> > >Hi Doug
> > >The HGU 33 with the single hidden visor is the most sought after and the
> > >lightest especially if you get made of Kevlar instead of fiberglass. Next
> > >is the HGU 55 which has a exposed single visor and is light. You can
> order
> > >an ANR kit from Headsets Inc and change it over yourself for about 130
> > >bucks. That is who flightsuits INC uses.
> > >The helo helmets are OK but are wider at the ear level and heavier. You
> > >will notice it with acro. You don't need ANR with a well fitted helmet
> in a
> > >CJ. Good luck.
> > >Jim Griffin
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Shinden33 wrote:
> You can buy one of the 55 or 33's with both the boom mic and Oxygen mask? So
> it is wired for a mic in both the boom and the mask or do you switch them
> out?
Flight Suits Ltd. in El Cajon, CA, USA.
> Can you use the military oxygen masks with civilan O2 systems?
The mask goes with the regulator. They form a system. The military has
long used the diluter-demand regulator that mixes ambient air with O2 in
a proper proportion to maintain the necessary level of O2 in the
breathing mix. At sea level it is set for 100% ambient air and it adds
in more and more O2 until reaching 100% O2 at about 30,000 feet. Some of
these regulators also provide pressure oxygen in that they actually
provide an overpressure (greater than ambient pressure) to the lungs to
force O2 into the bloodstream. Tohat allows you to go as high as about
42,000 feet. (I forget the exact number but I know it was above 40,000'
and below 45,000'.)
The problem with the diluter-demand system is that, while better than
constant flow O2 systems, it is not as efficient as the new pulse-demand
O2 systems. If you want a system that will provide O2 while conserving
your O2 supply so that you don't have to refill your O2 tank as often,
you need to be looking at Mountain High or Nelson O2 systems. These
systems are much better at delivering O2 to your lungs than the much
older diluter-demand system. OTOH, they do not have the pressure O2
capability so if you plan to operate your CJ6A or Yak-52 above 30,000',
you will need to get the diluter-demand regulator.
Mountain High has a mask that was developed to use their pulse-demand
system and can be adapted to your helmet. I don't think Nelson has a
mask but I don't see why the Mountain High mask can't be adapted to the
Nelson pulse-demand regulator as the output of the two regulators is the
same.
I like the Nelson regulator because it does not need electrical power.
It does require you to set an adjusting dial to your altitude just like
the nasal canulas which is something else to remember when you are flying.
The Mountain High regulator requires electrical power but is fully
automatic. You just turn it on and forget it. OTOH, if you lose
electrical power and don't realize it, you could end up just going to
sleep, not a good thing.
http://www.nelsonoxygen.com/
http://www.mhoxygen.com/
Here is the link for the Mountain High pulse-demand mask:
http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.phtml?nav_id=28&product_id=406
Hal "Batman" Morley convinced me of the efficacy of using O2 even at
relatively low altitudes (10,000'). I found that I felt much better
after a long flight if I did so and started doing that regularly. I
installed a permanent O2 system in my CJ6A and enjoyed the benefits,
even when using a nasal canula with helmet. I also found myself
operating my aircraft above 14,000' regularly. The cost of O2 was more
than offset by the ability to reduce fuel costs at the more-efficient
upper altitudes.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
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| Subject: | fire retardency, cotton, wool (was: Flight suits, again.....) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Sarah Tobin wrote:
> I disagree with you guys that are saying that a flt suit is only good
> for picking up chicks. Having worn a flight suit for the past 9 years,
> I have come to know them quite well.
So Smash, you are saying that you have trouble picking up chicks when
you are wearing your flight suit? Hmm.
> Doc can probably back me up on
> this one...a viper dude had his giblets roasted because he wore silk
> boxers on a flight that ended poorly, but the rest of his body was
> fine. Point is, that it isn't fire *proof*, but it is fire retardant.
> Had he been wearing cotton drawers the story would be different.
How about wool in a fire? As I recall, wool was pretty fire resistant.
I'm have found that wool outerwear such as what cyclists wear to be good
under a flight suit. The wool provides better warmth and continues to
provide warmth even if it gets wet. It also does a better job of wicking
away persperation than cotton.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
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| Subject: | Flight suits, again..... |
Seems strange not to wear a flight suit during acro...am not sure why it
would be better to wear a suit while on RPA stuff.
Cameron
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:32 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flight suits, again.....
I disagree with you guys that are saying that a flt suit is only good for
picking up chicks. Having worn a flight suit for the past 9 years, I have
come to know them quite well. Doc can probably back me up on this one...a
viper dude had his giblets roasted because he wore silk boxers on a flight
that ended poorly, but the rest of his body was fine. Point is, that it
isn't fire *proof*, but it is fire retardant. Had he been wearing cotton
drawers the story would be different.
I always wear cotton everything, and I mean everything when I fly my plane
OR when I am on any airliner. Why not give you the added chance of
survival? I don't wear a flt suit to acro competitions cuz I can't bring
myself to look like a dork wearing a flt suit when I am off duty....but I
think in an org like RPA that it isn't a bad idea. Go thru the smoke course
in OKC if you get a chance. They give you a gnd course on what happens in a
survivable airline crash and how the plastic melts on you. They show you
what happens to ladies that wear nylons on flights and dudes in polyester
pants...ick. Then they fill the cabin with 'chocolate smoke' and let you
see the limited vis in such a situation. Anyway, I go on, but the point
is...never compromise on safety! :)
Smash
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| Subject: | Flight suits, again..... |
Just a point of order, as RPA is an ALL inclusive organization, acro is an
RPA activity :))
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beverly and
Cameron Donnelly
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Flight suits, again.....
Seems strange not to wear a flight suit during acro...am not sure why it
would be better to wear a suit while on RPA stuff.
Cameron
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flight suits, again.....
I disagree with you guys that are saying that a flt suit is only good for
picking up chicks. Having worn a flight suit for the past 9 years, I have
come to know them quite well. Doc can probably back me up on this one...a
viper dude had his giblets roasted because he wore silk boxers on a flight
that ended poorly, but the rest of his body was fine. Point is, that it
isn't fire *proof*, but it is fire retardant. Had he been wearing cotton
drawers the story would be different.
I always wear cotton everything, and I mean everything when I fly my plane
OR when I am on any airliner. Why not give you the added chance of
survival? I don't wear a flt suit to acro competitions cuz I can't bring
myself to look like a dork wearing a flt suit when I am off duty....but I
think in an org like RPA that it isn't a bad idea. Go thru the smoke course
in OKC if you get a chance. They give you a gnd course on what happens in a
survivable airline crash and how the plastic melts on you. They show you
what happens to ladies that wear nylons on flights and dudes in polyester
pants...ick. Then they fill the cabin with 'chocolate smoke' and let you
see the limited vis in such a situation. Anyway, I go on, but the point
is...never compromise on safety! :)
Smash
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<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Just a point of order, as RPA is an ALL inclusive
organization, acro is an RPA activity :))
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Beverly and
Cameron Donnelly
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:59
AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List:
Flight suits, again.....
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Seems strange not to wear a flight suit during acro...am not sure why
it would be better to wear a suit while on RPA stuff.
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>
<FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Cameron
<FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sarah
Tobin
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:32 AM
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flight suits,
again.....
I disagree with you guys that are saying that a flt suit is only good
for picking up chicks. Having worn a flight suit for the past 9 years,
I have come to know them quite well. Doc can probably back me up on
this one...a viper dude had his giblets roasted because he wore silk boxers
on a flight that ended poorly, but the rest of his body was fine.
Point is, that it isn't fire *proof*, but it is fire retardant. Had he
been wearing cotton drawers the story would be different.
I always wear cotton everything, and I mean everything when I fly my
plane OR when I am on any airliner. Why not give you the added chance
of survival? I don't wear a flt suit to acro competitions cuz I can't
bring myself to look like a dork wearing a flt suit when I am off
duty....but I think in an org like RPA that it isn't a bad idea. Go
thru the smoke course in OKC if you get a chance. They give you a gnd
course on what happens in a survivable airline crash and how the plastic
melts on you. They show you what happens to ladies that wear nylons on
flights and dudes in polyester pants...ick. Then they fill the cabin
with 'chocolate smoke' and let you see the limited vis in such a
situation. Anyway, I go on, but the point is...never compromise on
safety! :)
Smash
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Over Miami |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Flying skills aside, I am planing on getting the commercial ticket,
just need to find the time. Currently trying to get my instrument IPC
since I havent flown approaches since getting my instrument ticket 2
years ago.
I usually dont expect to get compensated (except for maybe a room),
since the fuel burn isnt such a big deal in this airplane. I'll spring
for a room, if I have to.
Ernie
On 2/14/06, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> This was assuming you were expecting getting fuel/oil. It might be noted
> that several years ago at TICO a private pilot in the airshow was "put apon"
> (not sited) by the FAA monitoring the show, for eating a free sandwich
> provide in the pilot's tent until it was pointed out that ALL the airshow
> staff was eating those sandwiches.
>
> If you are not getting compensated of course you don't need a commercial.
>
> Come on Ernie! Go get that commercial! You are definitely smart enough.
> (Of course there is that question of your flying skills. ;-D )
>
> Pappy
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> You need a commercial, even if youre not being compsnsated???
>
> Ernie
>
> On 2/13/06, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> > This next week-end Feb. 17-18-19 is the Wings Over Miami airshow at
> Tamiami
> > airport. A number of RPA members are members of WOM and usually
> participate
> > in this show. The WOM usually takes care of fuel used during the show.
> > This year because of finances they are unable to provide rooms or
> > transportation. It is a 501-3c organization so all expenses are
> deductible.
> >
> > You do not have to be a member of WOM to participate in the airshow, but
> > must have a commercial, current second class physical, and current FAST
> > card. I'll be going down there mid day on Friday (maybe earlier).
> >
> > All aircraft are welcome. Sam Sax is the contact down there.
> >
> > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Markus,
Thanks for the info. The way I was explained was that not only was the 55
lighter, but it was cut higher on the front (for better vis) and on the back
(to allow more freedom of head movement). Don't really know anything about
the 68.
Scott,
The way it works for the O2 mask is simple; First you need to have the
helmet set up with the O2 mask receivers. Then, instead of having a separate
mic mount, simply use a T-bayonet which is nothing more then a mic mount
that fits in the O2 receiver. When you change from one to the other, simply
disconnect the mic from the helmet and connect the mask mic in. You can also
choose to have the receivers and a permanent mic. I had that on my OLD (as
in very OLD) helmet and found I had a hard time communicating because I
couldn't bring the mic close enough, but I still needed to manually connect
the O2 mic.
Hope it helps,
Dan
>From: Markus Feyerabend <feyerabm@web.de>
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Yak-List: help wanted !
>Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:42:08 +0100
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Markus Feyerabend <feyerabm@web.de>
>
>Hello,
>
>Sorry for stepping in here, but the 33 is nothing but the predecessor of
>the 55.
>And the 33 came after the 22, which came after the 2A...
>In principal, the 55 is a 33 shell (with some modifications) without the
>visor housing and a different liner.
>The biggest advantage of the 55 over the 33 was its lighter weight and
>lower profile (no visor housing).
>The drawback of the 55 over the 33 is that the visor will most likely be
>ripped off during a high speed eject (>500kts), thats why the latest
>development is the 68. The 68 still uses almost the same shell as the 33
>(albeit exclusivley made of graphite/kevlar instead of fibreglas) but again
>a different visor setup.
>There is a multitude of different possible setups out and it requires a
>careful look to identify what setup one has. On the other hand it offers a
>lot of room for modifications and individual setups.
>
>And no, the 33 was just as well a fighter helmet, as are the 55 and the 68,
>just in a different era...
>
>Markus
>
>yak-list@matronics.com schrieb am 14.02.06 14:44:48:
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > The 33 was used initially for the heavy guys. (Big Ugly F@#$'s, Herc's
> > ,ect). Not anymore as I understand.
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Shinden33 <shinden33@earthlink.net>
> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Date: 2/13/2006 11:14:35 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: help wanted !
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Dan,
> > >
> > > You can buy one of the 55 or 33's with both the boom mic and Oxygen
>mask?
> > So
> > > it is wired for a mic in both the boom and the mask or do you switch
>them
> > > out?
> > >
> > > Also you mentioned the 55 was designed for fighter pilots. What was
>the
> > 33
> > > designed for?
> > >
> > > Can you use the military oxygen masks with civilan O2 systems?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Daniel Fortin
> > > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:30 PM
> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: help wanted !
> > >
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin"
><fougapilot@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > Doug and all,
> > >
> > > I just bought a new helmet (from Flight Suit) and opted for a modified
> > > HGU55, modified in the sense that it is a 55 with the 33 visor on it.
> > >
> > > My logic is as follow; At first, I was going for the HGU84, which is
> > > basically a 55 but built for helicopters. Helicopters helmets are
>built
> > much
> > > stronger then their fix wing counterparts, which made me think I would
>be
> > > better protected with the helo style. The problems with helo helmet
>are:
> > > first the extra strength is on the side since most helo crash involve
>a
> > side
> > > impact and they are almost twice as heavy as a fix wing. I am a big
>guy,
> > but
> > > tough the extra weight on my neck while doing acro was to much a down
>fall
> > > compare to the extra protection (that will most likely not help me in
>a
> > fix
> > > wing crash). So I went with a fix wing. Why the HGU55 with the 33
>visor
> > > instead of the strait HGU33? Simple, the HGU55 is designed for fighter
> > > pilots and is cut much higher in the back of the head then the HGU33
>is.
> > The
> > > difference is the 55 allows greater head movement freedom which in my
> > > opinion is necessary for the type of flying I do.
> > >
> > > Total cost for an XL Painted Kevlar HGU55 (with HGU33 visor) with the
>top
> > of
> > > the line microphone, ANR, Oxygen mask connector (I need those for my
> > Fouga)
> > > interchangeable communication cords (2) and installation kit for
> > electrical
> > > power(from aircraft to ANR) comes to $1600US.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> > > >To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: help wanted !
> > > >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:53:31 -0600
> > > >
> > > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> > > >
> > > >Hi Doug
> > > >The HGU 33 with the single hidden visor is the most sought after and
>the
> > > >lightest especially if you get made of Kevlar instead of fiberglass.
>Next
> > > >is the HGU 55 which has a exposed single visor and is light. You can
> > order
> > > >an ANR kit from Headsets Inc and change it over yourself for about
>130
> > > >bucks. That is who flightsuits INC uses.
> > > >The helo helmets are OK but are wider at the ear level and heavier.
>You
> > > >will notice it with acro. You don't need ANR with a well fitted
>helmet
> > in a
> > > >CJ. Good luck.
> > > >Jim Griffin
>
>______________________________________________________________
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Am I incorrect in my recollection that it is a commercial AND a second class
medical. Just having a commercial won't get the job done........right or
wrong??
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Wing Over Miami
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
You need a commercial, even if youre not being compsnsated???
Ernie
On 2/13/06, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> This next week-end Feb. 17-18-19 is the Wings Over Miami airshow at
Tamiami
> airport. A number of RPA members are members of WOM and usually
participate
> in this show. The WOM usually takes care of fuel used during the show.
> This year because of finances they are unable to provide rooms or
> transportation. It is a 501-3c organization so all expenses are
deductible.
>
> You do not have to be a member of WOM to participate in the airshow, but
> must have a commercial, current second class physical, and current FAST
> card. I'll be going down there mid day on Friday (maybe earlier).
>
> All aircraft are welcome. Sam Sax is the contact down there.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Hi Doug, Yes You are correct , If You hold a commerical license, You must also
have a current 2nd class medical to be compensated as far as the FAA is concerned...
Gary G
-------------- Original message from "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>: --------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp"
>
> Am I incorrect in my recollection that it is a commercial AND a second class
> medical. Just having a commercial won't get the job done........right or
> wrong??
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:50 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Wing Over Miami
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
>
> You need a commercial, even if youre not being compsnsated???
>
> Ernie
>
> On 2/13/06, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> > This next week-end Feb. 17-18-19 is the Wings Over Miami airshow at
> Tamiami
> > airport. A number of RPA members are members of WOM and usually
> participate
> > in this show. The WOM usually takes care of fuel used during the show.
> > This year because of finances they are unable to provide rooms or
> > transportation. It is a 501-3c organization so all expenses are
> deductible.
> >
> > You do not have to be a member of WOM to participate in the airshow, but
> > must have a commercial, current second class physical, and current FAST
> > card. I'll be going down there mid day on Friday (maybe earlier).
> >
> > All aircraft are welcome. Sam Sax is the contact down there.
> >
> > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Doug, Yes You are correct , If You hold a commerical license, You must also
have a current 2nd class medical to be compensated as far as the FAA is concerned...
Gary G
-------------- Original message from "doug sapp" rvfltd@televar.com: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <RVFLTD@TELEVAR.COM>
Am I incorrect in my recollection that it is a commercial AND a second class
medical. Just having a commercial won't get the job done........right or
wrong??
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:50 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Wing Over Miami
-- Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <ERNIEL29@GMAIL.COM>
You need a commercial, even if youre not being compsns
ated???
Ernie
On 2/13/06, cjpilot710@aol.com <CJPILOT710@AOL.COM>wrote:
This next week-end Feb. 17-18-19 is the Wings Over Miami airshow at
Tamiami
airport. A number of RPA members are members of WOM and usually
participate
in this show. The WOM usually takes care of fuel used during the show.
This year because of finances they are unable to provide rooms or
transportation. It is a 501-3c organization so all expenses are
deductible.
You do not have to be a member of WOM to participate in the airshow, but
must have a commercial, current second class physical, and current FAST
card. I'll be going down there mid day on Friday (maybe earlier).
All aircraft are welcome. Sam Sax is the contact down there.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
&g
gt;
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And, guys best have both. Put yourself in the shoes of that FSDO guy out to
serve his customers. I big gaggle of pilots getting free gas and rooms. I
can just see the purple haze descending now. It is kind of like fishing, fun
when there is one or two fish around with a pole, but when you get a
complete shoal it's time to get the nets out !!!!
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compensation
Hi Doug, Yes You are correct , If You hold a commerical license, You must
also have a current 2nd class medical to be compensated as far as the FAA is
concerned... Gary G
-------------- Original message from "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>:
--------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp"
>
> Am I incorrect in my recollection that it is a commercial AND a second
class
> medical. Just having a commercial won't get the job done........right or
> wrong??
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:50 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Wing Over Miami
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
>
> You need a commercial, even if youre not being compsns ated???
>
> Ernie
>
> On 2/13/06, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> > This next week-end Feb. 17-18-19 is the Wings Over Miami airshow at
> Tamiami
> > airport. A number of RPA members are members of WOM and usually
> participate
> > in this show. The WOM usually takes care of fuel used during the show.
> > This year because of finances they are unable to provide rooms or
> > transportation. It is a 501-3c organization so all expenses are
> deductible.
> >
> > You do not have to be a member of WOM to participate in the airshow, but
> > must have a commercial, current second class physical, and current FAST
> > card. I'll be going down there mid day on Friday (maybe earlier).
> >
> > All aircraft are welcome. Sam Sax is the contact down there.
> >
> > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
>
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FSDO guy out to serve his customers. I big gaggle of pilots getting free gas and
rooms. I can just see the purple haze descending now. It is kind of like
fishing, fun when there is one or two fish around with a pole, but when you get
a complete shoal it's time to get the nets out !!!!
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ggg6@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:00
PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List:
compensation
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Hi Doug, Yes You are correct , If You hold a commerical license,
You must also have a current 2nd class medical to be compensated as far as the
FAA is concerned... Gary G
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Original message from "doug sapp" rvfltd@televar.com: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp"
<RVFLTD@TELEVAR.COM>
Am I incorrect in my recollection that
it is a commercial AND a second class
medical. Just having a
commercial won't get the job done........right or
wrong??
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original
Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:50 PM
To:
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Wing Over Miami
-- Yak-List message posted by: Ernest
Martinez <ERNIEL29@GMAIL.COM>
You need a commercial, even
if youre not being compsns ated???
Ernie
On 2/13/06, cjpilot710@aol.com <CJPILOT710@AOL.COM>wrote:
This
next week-end Feb. 17-18-19 is the Wings Over Miami airshow at
Tamiami
airport. A number of RPA members are members of WOM
and usually
participate
in this show. The WOM usually
takes care of fuel used during the show.
This year because of
finances they are unable to provide rooms or
transportation.
It is a 501-3c organization so all expenses are
deductible.
You do not have to be a member of WOM to
participate in the airshow, but
must have a commercial,
current second class physical, and current FAST
card. I'll be
going down there mid day on Friday (maybe earlier).
All aircraft are welcome. Sam Sax is the contact down there.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
g gt;
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| Subject: | Flight suits, again..... |
Don't waste your breath Smash..been down this road before on this list and
it's not worth the time.
Hitman
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flight suits, again.....
I disagree with you guys that are saying that a flt suit is only good for
picking up chicks. Having worn a flight suit for the past 9 years, I have
come to know them quite well. Doc can probably back me up on this one...a
viper dude had his giblets roasted because he wore silk boxers on a flight
that ended poorly, but the rest of his body was fine. Point is, that it
isn't fire *proof*, but it is fire retardant. Had he been wearing cotton
drawers the story would be different.
I always wear cotton everything, and I mean everything when I fly my plane
OR when I am on any airliner. Why not give you the added chance of
survival? I don't wear a flt suit to acro competitions cuz I can't bring
myself to look like a dork wearing a flt suit when I am off duty....but I
think in an org like RPA that it isn't a bad idea. Go thru the smoke course
in OKC if you get a chance. They give you a gnd course on what happens in a
survivable airline crash and how the plastic melts on you. They show you
what happens to ladies that wear nylons on flights and dudes in polyester
pants...ick. Then they fill the cabin with 'chocolate smoke' and let you
see the limited vis in such a situation. Anyway, I go on, but the point
is...never compromise on safety! :)
Smash
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| Subject: | 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed. |
I need to get a specific steel sheet I need not a lot about 4 inches sq of
4340 alloy. The Russian part I am replacing is made of GOST4543-71 who's US
equiv is 4340. Trouble is aircraft spruce etc only supply 4340 in bars.
4130 is not quite hard enough.
Any help much appreciated.
See spec below
Gus
steel grade GOST
TU fraction total mass of elements, %
C Si Mn Cr Ni Ti Mo V
Co S P =09
=09
not more than =09
=09
30=E8=E7=F3=E1 GOST 4543-71 0.28-0.34 0.9-1.2 0.8-1.1
0.8-1.1 0.035 0.035
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| Subject: | Re: 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed. |
4340 Alloy steel sheet needed.See if these folks can help.
http://www.advancedglobalmaterials.com/4130-4340sheet.asp
Dennis
Alloy Steels
4130
4140
4330
4340
4340Mod 4620 4720 6150
8620 8740 9310 52100
H11 HY60 - 100 D6AC HP 9 - 4 - 20
300M HP 9 - 4 - 30 D6-AC HY - TUF
Maxel 3 1/2
Maraging 250, 300, 350
Aircraft Quality & Vacuum Melted
*All materials available in the following:
Plate, Sheet, Rod, Bar, Tubing, Pipe, Wire, Forgings, Custom Shapes & Sizes
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: Yak-List: 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed.
I need to get a specific steel sheet I need not a lot about 4 inches sq of 4340
alloy. The Russian part I am replacing is made of GOST4543-71 who's US equiv
is 4340. Trouble is aircraft spruce etc only supply 4340 in bars.
4130 is not quite hard enough.
Any help much appreciated.
See spec below
Gus
steel grade GOST
TU fraction total mass of elements, %
C Si Mn Cr Ni Ti Mo V
Co S P
not more than
30=E8=E7=F3=E1 GOST 4543-71 0.28-0.34 0.9-1.2 0.8-1.1
0.8-1.1 0.035 0.035
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This is the point I attempted to make over a year ago, and it fell on deaf
ears then and I don't expect much more now.
As us boomers get older and loose we our ability to pass a second class
medical and are forced to accept a third class we will all find ourselves in
violation of the regs. The result will be that less and less of the
"interesting" aircraft will be attending the airshows and fly ins. This
very real problem should be of great interest to every air show performer
and promoter as well as the owners of these aircraft. My question is the
same now as it was then.......what can we do about it? What is the EAA's
position on this?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:00 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compensation
Hi Doug, Yes You are correct , If You hold a commerical license, You must
also have a current 2nd class medical to be compensated as far as the FAA is
concerned... Gary G
-------------- Original message from "doug sapp"
<rvfltd@televar.com>: --------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp"
>
> Am I incorrect in my recollection that it is a commercial AND a second
class
> medical. Just having a commercial won't get the job done........right
or
> wrong??
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:50 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Wing Over Miami
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
>
> You need a commercial, even if youre not being compsns ated???
>
> Ernie
>
> On 2/13/06, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> > This next week-end Feb. 17-18-19 is the Wings Over Miami airshow at
> Tamiami
> > airport. A number of RPA members are members of WOM and usually
> participate
> > in this show. The WOM usually takes care of fuel used during the
show.
> > This year because of finances they are unable to provide rooms or
> > transportation. It is a 501-3c organization so all expenses are
> deductible.
> >
> > You do not have to be a member of WOM to participate in the airshow,
but
> > must have a commercial, current second class physical, and current
FAST
> > card. I'll be going down there mid day on Friday (maybe earlier).
> >
> > All aircraft are welcome. Sam Sax is the contact down there.
> >
> > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
>
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| Subject: | fabric and suits |
We have found that placing a second fabric patch approx 14 inch triangle
over rib and trailing edge stops the problem. This is put on last OVER the
tapes. Been doing this for 5 years and all a-c are OK so far. this is placed
left side just above trim tab, its obvious realy when ur doing the job.
BTW, flight suit, flight shoes are not only for personal protection but
think of the cycological (no spell check!!) benefits. Attitude to the task
ahead etc. Ask any athlete, in fact there is a book published in USA just
about this subject for "winning" pilots. I read it and came 3rd in World
advanced aerobatics in 2002. Sorry don't know the ISBN of it but can look
when back in UK for anyone interested.
cheers, mj
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
We understand the same. If aviating for compensation both are required.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: doug sapp <rvfltd@televar.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/14/2006 11:06:40 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: compensation
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Am I incorrect in my recollection that it is a commercial AND a second
class
> medical. Just having a commercial won't get the job done........right or
> wrong??
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:50 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Wing Over Miami
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> You need a commercial, even if youre not being compsnsated???
>
> Ernie
>
> On 2/13/06, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> > This next week-end Feb. 17-18-19 is the Wings Over Miami airshow at
> Tamiami
> > airport. A number of RPA members are members of WOM and usually
> participate
> > in this show. The WOM usually takes care of fuel used during the show.
> > This year because of finances they are unable to provide rooms or
> > transportation. It is a 501-3c organization so all expenses are
> deductible.
> >
> > You do not have to be a member of WOM to participate in the airshow, but
> > must have a commercial, current second class physical, and current FAST
> > card. I'll be going down there mid day on Friday (maybe earlier).
> >
> > All aircraft are welcome. Sam Sax is the contact down there.
> >
> > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed. |
Dennis,
Thanks for that I called them yesterday and they only have larger sizes
available. .1 and up. For reference this is the steel used for undercarriage
units also.
Thanks again
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed.
See if these folks can help.
http://www.advancedglobalmaterials.com/4130-4340sheet.asp
<http://www.advancedglobalmaterials.com/4130-4340sheet.asp>
Dennis
alloyAlloy Steels
4130
4140
4330
4340
4340Mod
4620
4720
6150
8620
8740
9310
52100
H11
HY60 - 100
D6AC
HP 9 - 4 - 20
300M
HP 9 - 4 - 30
D6-AC
HY - TUF
Maxel 3 1/2
Maraging 250, 300, 350
Aircraft Quality & Vacuum Melted
*All materials available in the following:
Plate, Sheet, Rod, Bar, Tubing, Pipe, Wire, Forgings, Custom Shapes & Sizes
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus <mailto:gus.fraser@gs.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: Yak-List: 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed.
I need to get a specific steel sheet I need not a lot about 4 inches sq of
4340 alloy. The Russian part I am replacing is made of GOST4543-71 who's US
equiv is 4340. Trouble is aircraft spruce etc only supply 4340 in bars.
4130 is not quite hard enough.
Any help much appreciated.
See spec below
Gus
steel grade GOST
TU fraction total mass of elements, %
C Si Mn Cr Ni Ti Mo V
Co S P
not more than
30=E8=E7=F3=E1 GOST 4543-71 0.28-0.34 0.9-1.2 0.8-1.1
0.8-1.1 0.035 0.035
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Think we can get the EAA and AOPA to get us an "Experimental Show Sport Pilot"
catagory. That way we can fly light warbirds and get pureed meals provided at
the airshows too.
Truthfully, Doug I agree this is going to be a problem in the future for those
of us that are starting to get long in the tooth. But, we probably are not going
to get an help on this issue. Look at how hard it is to keep a very health
octagenarian flying now! They have to go through as much for a Third class as
most have to go through for a First Class if they even have a hint of a systemic
disease like hypertension.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
Sent: 2/14/2006 12:22:14 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: compensation
This is the point I attempted to make over a year ago, and it fell on deaf ears
then and I don't expect much more now.
As us boomers get older and loose we our ability to pass a second class medical
and are forced to accept a third class we will all find ourselves in violation
of the regs. The result will be that less and less of the "interesting" aircraft
will be attending the airshows and fly ins. This very real problem should
be of great interest to every air show performer and promoter as well as the
owners of these aircraft. My question is the same now as it was then.......what
can we do about it? What is the EAA's position on this?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compensation
Hi Doug, Yes You are correct , If You hold a commerical license, You must also
have a current 2nd class medical to be compensated as far as the FAA is concerned...
Gary G
-------------- Original message from "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>: --------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp"
>
> Am I incorrect in my recollection that it is a commercial AND a second class
> medical. Just having a commercial won't get the job done........right or
> wrong??
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 8:50 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Wing Over Miami
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
>
> You need a commercial, even if youre not being compsns ated???
>
> Ernie
>
> On 2/13/06, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> > This next week-end Feb. 17-18-19 is the Wings Over Miami airshow at
> Tamiami
> > airport. A number of RPA members are members of WOM and usually
> participate
> > in this show. The WOM usually takes care of fuel used during the show.
> > This year because of finances they are unable to provide rooms or
> > transportation. It is a 501-3c organization so all expenses are
> deductible.
> >
> > You do not have to be a member of WOM to participate in the airshow, but
> > must have a commercial, current second class physical, and current FAST
> > card. I'll be going down there mid day on Friday (maybe earlier).
> >
> > All aircraft are welcome. Sam Sax is the contact down there.
> >
> > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
>
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| Subject: | fabric and suits |
Mark,
Can you post a picture of the patch?
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk
Sent: 2/14/2006 12:28:36 PM
Subject: Yak-List: fabric and suits
We have found that placing a second fabric patch approx 14 inch triangle over rib
and trailing edge stops the problem. This is put on last OVER the tapes. Been
doing this for 5 years and all a-c are OK so far. this is placed left side
just above trim tab, its obvious realy when ur doing the job.
BTW, flight suit, flight shoes are not only for personal protection but think of
the cycological (no spell check!!) benefits. Attitude to the task ahead etc.
Ask any athlete, in fact there is a book published in USA just about this subject
for "winning" pilots. I read it and came 3rd in World advanced aerobatics
in 2002. Sorry dont know the ISBN of it but can look when back in UK for anyone
interested.
cheers, mj
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| Subject: | Re: fire retardency, cotton, wool (was: Flight suits, again.....) |
Brian-
You are right...I was issues wool socks in pilot training to wear with my boots.
Most of the time way too hot for a wool bra or undies though!
Smash
How about wool in a fire? As I recall, wool was pretty fire resistant.
I'm have found that wool outerwear such as what cyclists wear to be good
under a flight suit. The wool provides better warmth and continues to
provide warmth even if it gets wet. It also does a better job of wicking
away persperation than cotton.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | ak-List:[feedback] 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed. [feedback] |
Well folks I have had great help in my search. Scott, thanks for introducing
me to the truly remarkable www.matweb.com <http://www.matweb.com> , all and
more that you need to know about all kinds of materials. The best bit is the
search engine. I put in the specific properties that I needed for the 4340
and it gave me a recipe for 4140 that does the same thing, awesome.
Also I found the following
http://www.russelmetals.com/pdf/english/service/pdf_catalogue/Section_14_-_W
eights_and_Useful_Data.pdf
<http://www.russelmetals.com/pdf/english/service/pdf_catalogue/Section_14_-_
Weights_and_Useful_Data.pdf> which is a 26 page guide great to keep in the
hanger.
Suggestions on the best way to heat to just over 1575 deg F welcome.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed.
Dennis,
Thanks for that I called them yesterday and they only have larger sizes
available. .1 and up. For reference this is the steel used for undercarriage
units also.
Thanks again
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed.
See if these folks can help.
http://www.advancedglobalmaterials.com/4130-4340sheet.asp
<http://www.advancedglobalmaterials.com/4130-4340sheet.asp>
Dennis
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----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus <mailto:gus.fraser@gs.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: Yak-List: 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed.
I need to get a specific steel sheet I need not a lot about 4 inches sq of
4340 alloy. The Russian part I am replacing is made of GOST4543-71 who's US
equiv is 4340. Trouble is aircraft spruce etc only supply 4340 in bars.
4130 is not quite hard enough.
Any help much appreciated.
See spec below
Gus
steel grade GOST
TU fraction total mass of elements, %
C Si Mn Cr Ni Ti Mo V
Co S P
not more than
30=E8=E7=F3=E1 GOST 4543-71 0.28-0.34 0.9-1.2 0.8-1.1
0.8-1.1 0.035 0.035
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Suits -The dead horse RISES |
Doc, you know as well as I do that *post crash* fire is the main culprit of burns,
not in-flight! Oh, and as far as wearing shorts....stick your hand out so
I can slap it! Have you read the bailout procedures lately? Kneel down on one
knee in the foot pan and propel yourself out the appropriate side...ugh! Shorts...ouch!
And let Ricky B tell you about the time he was pushing 5 and pulling
9 in shorts. The giblets were not happy with that chute on! Don't envy
you pilots with a kickstand!
Smash
Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Now, how many inflight YAK / ChiJAK fires have occured here in the Colonies
anyway? I can not recall any in my limited association with the RPA community.
---------------------------------
Brings words and photos together (easily) with
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| Subject: | Re: 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed. |
4340 Alloy steel sheet needed.Have you tried Dillsworth
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: Yak-List: 4340 Alloy steel sheet needed.
I need to get a specific steel sheet I need not a lot about 4 inches sq of 4340
alloy. The Russian part I am replacing is made of GOST4543-71 who's US equiv
is 4340. Trouble is aircraft spruce etc only supply 4340 in bars.
4130 is not quite hard enough.
Any help much appreciated.
See spec below
Gus
steel grade GOST
TU fraction total mass of elements, %
C Si Mn Cr Ni Ti Mo V
Co S P
not more than
30=E8=E7=F3=E1 GOST 4543-71 0.28-0.34 0.9-1.2 0.8-1.1
0.8-1.1 0.035 0.035
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
I see no mention of Russian helmets. I use original Russian ZSh-7a helmets
(in L-29), have used in Yak also a couple times.
Was simple enough to convert myself to civvy type earpieces and mic. My
main helmet is converted "deluxe" with civvy mic that plugs into oxygen mask
bayonet, with oxygen mask also converted with civvy mic. Takes 5 seconds to
swap between boom mic and mask. This one also has audio in and ANR. Nice
if you want to listen to music or any other audio source.
The other more standard, with fixed boom mic. Both are comfortable, and
light enough (I tend to grey out before my neck gets sore...). Was tempted
to remove the automatic electric solenoid based visor down mechanism
(standard feature to protect eyes if ejecting) to save weight but just have
not got around to it.
Have used a friends custom made HGU-55 and standard fit HGU-55, prefer the
russian helmet.
Also used the French designed helmet - unsure of designation - (standard for
our air force on Mirage and Cheetah jets), again prefer the russian one.
Individual preference I know, but there are helmets available other than the
US made versions.
One mod I dreamt up worth doing irrespective of helmet type if converting
for civvy use - I use inline volume control with heavy duty velcro attached:
the volume control allows some flexibility in terms of audio volume vs
intercom volume vs front / rear volume level, especially useful if flying
different aircraft (or if the other pilot is deaf and insists of max-ing the
volume). The ANR is a nice to have in the jet, the pressurised cockpit
tends to seal out the high frequencies, the ANR takes care of the lows. In
practice almost irrelevent in use in a Yak and truth be told, not really
important in the jet either. The velcro allows a tidying up of cables for
acro. I use self adhesive velcro on the volume control which mates to
velcro in my cockpit, but also have a velcro strap for use in foreign
cockpits to shorten cable. This I secure close to the jacks, else you get
beaten around the face by the volume control when pushing.
Jorgen
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| Subject: | fabric and suits |
Would like this information please.
Thanks,
Cameron
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Jefferies YAK
Uk
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:11 PM
To: 'YAK USA LIST'
Subject: Yak-List: fabric and suits
We have found that placing a second fabric patch approx 14 inch triangle
over rib and trailing edge stops the problem. This is put on last OVER the
tapes. Been doing this for 5 years and all a-c are OK so far. this is placed
left side just above trim tab, its obvious realy when ur doing the job.
BTW, flight suit, flight shoes are not only for personal protection but
think of the cycological (no spell check!!) benefits. Attitude to the task
ahead etc. Ask any athlete, in fact there is a book published in USA just
about this subject for "winning" pilots. I read it and came 3rd in World
advanced aerobatics in 2002. Sorry don't know the ISBN of it but can look
when back in UK for anyone interested.
cheers, mj
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
I use the old Navy deck helmet, a green one, not to pretty but very
functional and free, also takes a set of David Clarks right out of the box.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jorgen Nielsen
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Helmets
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
--> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
I see no mention of Russian helmets. I use original Russian ZSh-7a helmets
(in L-29), have used in Yak also a couple times.
Was simple enough to convert myself to civvy type earpieces and mic. My
main helmet is converted "deluxe" with civvy mic that plugs into oxygen mask
bayonet, with oxygen mask also converted with civvy mic. Takes 5 seconds to
swap between boom mic and mask. This one also has audio in and ANR. Nice
if you want to listen to music or any other audio source.
The other more standard, with fixed boom mic. Both are comfortable, and
light enough (I tend to grey out before my neck gets sore...). Was tempted
to remove the automatic electric solenoid based visor down mechanism
(standard feature to protect eyes if ejecting) to save weight but just have
not got around to it.
Have used a friends custom made HGU-55 and standard fit HGU-55, prefer the
russian helmet.
Also used the French designed helmet - unsure of designation - (standard for
our air force on Mirage and Cheetah jets), again prefer the russian one.
Individual preference I know, but there are helmets available other than the
US made versions.
One mod I dreamt up worth doing irrespective of helmet type if converting
for civvy use - I use inline volume control with heavy duty velcro attached:
the volume control allows some flexibility in terms of audio volume vs
intercom volume vs front / rear volume level, especially useful if flying
different aircraft (or if the other pilot is deaf and insists of max-ing the
volume). The ANR is a nice to have in the jet, the pressurised cockpit
tends to seal out the high frequencies, the ANR takes care of the lows. In
practice almost irrelevent in use in a Yak and truth be told, not really
important in the jet either. The velcro allows a tidying up of cables for
acro. I use self adhesive velcro on the volume control which mates to
velcro in my cockpit, but also have a velcro strap for use in foreign
cockpits to shorten cable. This I secure close to the jacks, else you get
beaten around the face by the volume control when pushing.
Jorgen
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| Subject: | Re: compensation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
doug sapp wrote:
> Am I incorrect in my recollection that it is a commercial AND a second class
> medical. Just having a commercial won't get the job done........right or
> wrong??
Right.
You need to be able to exercise the privileges of the commercial ticket
and that requires a 2nd-class medical.
Brian
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| Subject: | Re: compensation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
doug sapp wrote:
> This is the point I attempted to make over a year ago, and it fell on
> deaf ears then and I don't expect much more now.
>
> As us boomers get older and loose we our ability to pass a second class
> medical and are forced to accept a third class we will all find
> ourselves in violation of the regs. The result will be that less and
> less of the "interesting" aircraft will be attending the airshows and
> fly ins.
Well, in spite of their official mandate, the FAA is not in the habit of
promoting aviation. You probably aren't going to win this one with them.
If someone gives you something for flying in, you are receiving
compensation. Compensation requires a commercial ticket and a 2nd-class
medical.
So how do you beat the system? One way seems to me to have someone else
act as PIC of your aircraft to get it there. They don't get anything
except a ride to the event. You, as owner and not PIC, can accept the
"compensation". Since you did not act as pilot in command, you are not
exercising the privileges of a commercial ticket. This certainly stomps
all over the spirit of the law while adhering to the letter. This
strikes me as a good thing to do with stupid rules and laws.
This last time I took my flight physical I needed three different sets
of glasses to pass the vision test (far, intermediate, and near) but I
managed to pass. That is the only thing that gives me trouble. What
gives you trouble that you can pass a 3rd-class but not a 2nd-class?
Perhaps we can find a way to deal with the problem and let you get a 2nd
class medical again.
Brian Lloyd
brian-yak@lloyd.com
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| Subject: | Re: fire retardency, cotton, wool (was: Flight suits, again.....) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Sarah Tobin wrote:
>
> Brian-
> You are right...I was issues wool socks in pilot training to wear
> with my boots. Most of the time way too hot for a wool bra or
> undies though!
Yeah, I agree. I always found a wool bra to be just way to scratchy too.
Still, wool is something to consider when flying in the winter.
Brian Lloyd
brian-yak@lloyd.com
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| Subject: | Re: fire retardency, cotton, wool (was: Flight suits, again.....) |
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Yeah, I agree. I always found a wool bra to be just way to scratchy too.
>
> Still, wool is something to consider when flying in the winter.
Brian!
A wool BRA for you to fly in during winter! Way to much INFORMATION for my niave
Ol' MIND!
TMI...just WAY T FRECKING MI!
Viperdoc
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| Subject: | MOON's over MYHAMMY |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Just a thought but isn't a commercial activity where you make money? If my
costs are being covered as an incentive to join the air show then I'm not
really making a profit, am I?
Oh, by the way, the guy eating a sandwich at the air show who wasn't
commercial rated? MY GOD! What a grievous violation of the FAR's that would
have been had the sandwiches been for ONLY the air show pilots that were
commercially rated. Guys like that should loose their license! MY GOD! The
world would end if these kinds of people were allowed to continue their
activities!
Alright, alright...all I'm saying is that it's just another f'd up rule the
FAA has foisted upon us.
Frank
Whatever happened to common sense?
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
Thanks for the gouge everyone!
Still have a question. If you get standard military diluter-demand system
will it connect to civilian systems. I have never working with aviation O2
systems before so excuse my ignorance on how they all work together.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:48 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Oxygen masks
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Shinden33 wrote:
> You can buy one of the 55 or 33's with both the boom mic and Oxygen mask?
So
> it is wired for a mic in both the boom and the mask or do you switch them
> out?
Flight Suits Ltd. in El Cajon, CA, USA.
> Can you use the military oxygen masks with civilan O2 systems?
The mask goes with the regulator. They form a system. The military has
long used the diluter-demand regulator that mixes ambient air with O2 in
a proper proportion to maintain the necessary level of O2 in the
breathing mix. At sea level it is set for 100% ambient air and it adds
in more and more O2 until reaching 100% O2 at about 30,000 feet. Some of
these regulators also provide pressure oxygen in that they actually
provide an overpressure (greater than ambient pressure) to the lungs to
force O2 into the bloodstream. Tohat allows you to go as high as about
42,000 feet. (I forget the exact number but I know it was above 40,000'
and below 45,000'.)
The problem with the diluter-demand system is that, while better than
constant flow O2 systems, it is not as efficient as the new pulse-demand
O2 systems. If you want a system that will provide O2 while conserving
your O2 supply so that you don't have to refill your O2 tank as often,
you need to be looking at Mountain High or Nelson O2 systems. These
systems are much better at delivering O2 to your lungs than the much
older diluter-demand system. OTOH, they do not have the pressure O2
capability so if you plan to operate your CJ6A or Yak-52 above 30,000',
you will need to get the diluter-demand regulator.
Mountain High has a mask that was developed to use their pulse-demand
system and can be adapted to your helmet. I don't think Nelson has a
mask but I don't see why the Mountain High mask can't be adapted to the
Nelson pulse-demand regulator as the output of the two regulators is the
same.
I like the Nelson regulator because it does not need electrical power.
It does require you to set an adjusting dial to your altitude just like
the nasal canulas which is something else to remember when you are flying.
The Mountain High regulator requires electrical power but is fully
automatic. You just turn it on and forget it. OTOH, if you lose
electrical power and don't realize it, you could end up just going to
sleep, not a good thing.
http://www.nelsonoxygen.com/
http://www.mhoxygen.com/
Here is the link for the Mountain High pulse-demand mask:
http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.phtml?nav_id=28&product_id=406
Hal "Batman" Morley convinced me of the efficacy of using O2 even at
relatively low altitudes (10,000'). I found that I felt much better
after a long flight if I did so and started doing that regularly. I
installed a permanent O2 system in my CJ6A and enjoyed the benefits,
even when using a nasal canula with helmet. I also found myself
operating my aircraft above 14,000' regularly. The cost of O2 was more
than offset by the ability to reduce fuel costs at the more-efficient
upper altitudes.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ashley Battles" <pilotashley@hotmail.com>
I need to know about these undergarments for ladies. Can we find them on
his website?
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen masks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Shinden33 wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
>
> Thanks for the gouge everyone!
>
> Still have a question. If you get standard military diluter-demand system
> will it connect to civilian systems. I have never working with aviation O2
> systems before so excuse my ignorance on how they all work together.
Well, you have the high pressure side coming out of the tank. That is
just a matter of the correct fittings between tank and plumbing, and
plumbing and regulator.
I guess the question is where do you want to connect the diluter-demand
(AN-12) regulator (the AN-14 is the pressure breathing regulator for use
above 35,000') to your civilian system? The output of the tank will feed
the regulator just fine but many civilian systems use a step-down
regulator at the tank so the plumbing throughout the aircraft is only
carrying low-pressure O2.
I would need more details about what you already have in order to tell
you how to hook it up. But, yes, you can use your existing O2 tank to
feed the diluter-demand regulator. It is just that the newer
pulse-demand systems are so much better at utilizing the O2 in your tank.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Cc: yak-list@matronics.com
| Subject: | Re: Mikes and O2 Masks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
Hey Guys,
Are any of you gents old enough to have heard of throat mikes ? If your
O2 mask does not have a built in mike
or you have other complications, try to locate an old throat mike. The
quality of your transmission may not be all you have become accustomed to
but the cockpits of the WW2 fighters were so noisey that a hand mike
picked up engine roar and air blow bye noise. The throat mike was
virtually immune to those intrusions because its pickup was the
vibrations from the larynx. You may find this a preferable arrangement if
you find it impossible to stuff your boom mike inside your O2 mask.
----OR---- Pick up an old diluter demand mask from a soon-to-be chopped
up FEDEX 727. Those sweep on masks all had integral mikes in them. While
you're at it, pick up a walk around O2 bottle with a full face mask
attached. They are really great when you've got smoke in the cockpit and
your eyes are smarting so badly you can't keep them open. This is, of
course, assuming you have decided to stay with this hot box you're
strapped to. YOU may be tempted to make that decision because your brain
and nervous system is wired in series with your check book. Or maybe
you've got a chute and your back seat guy doesn't.. BAD NEWS!!
CLIFF UMSCHEID
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:48:27 +0000 "Daniel Fortin"
<fougapilot@hotmail.com> writes:transmiddion
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin"
> <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>
> Markus,
>
> Thanks for the info. The way I was explained was that not only was
> the 55
> lighter, but it was cut higher on the front (for better vis) and on
> the back
> (to allow more freedom of head movement). Don't really know anything
> about
> the 68.
>
> Scott,
>
> The way it works for the O2 mask is simple; First you need to have
> the
> helmet set up with the O2 mask receivers. Then, instead of having a
> separate
> mic mount, simply use a T-bayonet which is nothing more then a mic
> mount
> that fits in the O2 receiver. When you change from one to the other,
> simply
> disconnect the mic from the helmet and connect the mask mic in. You
> can also
> choose to have the receivers and a permanent mic. I had that on my
> OLD (as
> in very OLD) helmet and found I had a hard time communicating
> because I
> couldn't bring the mic close enough, but I still needed to manually
> connect
> the O2 mic.
>
> Hope it helps,
>
> Dan
>
>
> >From: Markus Feyerabend <feyerabm@web.de>
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Yak-List: help wanted !
> >Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:42:08 +0100
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Markus Feyerabend
> <feyerabm@web.de>
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >Sorry for stepping in here, but the 33 is nothing but the
> predecessor of
> >the 55.
> >And the 33 came after the 22, which came after the 2A...
> >In principal, the 55 is a 33 shell (with some modifications)
> without the
> >visor housing and a different liner.
> >The biggest advantage of the 55 over the 33 was its lighter weight
> and
> >lower profile (no visor housing).
> >The drawback of the 55 over the 33 is that the visor will most
> likely be
> >ripped off during a high speed eject (>500kts), thats why the
> latest
> >development is the 68. The 68 still uses almost the same shell as
> the 33
> >(albeit exclusivley made of graphite/kevlar instead of fibreglas)
> but again
> >a different visor setup.
> >There is a multitude of different possible setups out and it
> requires a
> >careful look to identify what setup one has. On the other hand it
> offers a
> >lot of room for modifications and individual setups.
> >
> >And no, the 33 was just as well a fighter helmet, as are the 55 and
> the 68,
> >just in a different era...
> >
> >Markus
> >
> >yak-list@matronics.com schrieb am 14.02.06 14:44:48:
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp"
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > >
> > > The 33 was used initially for the heavy guys. (Big Ugly F@#$'s,
> Herc's
> > > ,ect). Not anymore as I understand.
> > > Doc
> > >
> > >
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Shinden33 <shinden33@earthlink.net>
> > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Date: 2/13/2006 11:14:35 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: help wanted !
> > > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Shinden33"
> <shinden33@earthlink.net>
> > > >
> > > > Dan,
> > > >
> > > > You can buy one of the 55 or 33's with both the boom mic and
> Oxygen
> >mask?
> > > So
> > > > it is wired for a mic in both the boom and the mask or do you
> switch
> >them
> > > > out?
> > > >
> > > > Also you mentioned the 55 was designed for fighter pilots.
> What was
> >the
> > > 33
> > > > designed for?
> > > >
> > > > Can you use the military oxygen masks with civilan O2
> systems?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Daniel Fortin
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 4:30 PM
> > > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: help wanted !
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin"
> ><fougapilot@hotmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > Doug and all,
> > > >
> > > > I just bought a new helmet (from Flight Suit) and opted for a
> modified
> > > > HGU55, modified in the sense that it is a 55 with the 33 visor
> on it.
> > > >
> > > > My logic is as follow; At first, I was going for the HGU84,
> which is
> > > > basically a 55 but built for helicopters. Helicopters helmets
> are
> >built
> > > much
> > > > stronger then their fix wing counterparts, which made me think
> I would
> >be
> > > > better protected with the helo style. The problems with helo
> helmet
> >are:
> > > > first the extra strength is on the side since most helo crash
> involve
> >a
> > > side
> > > > impact and they are almost twice as heavy as a fix wing. I am
> a big
> >guy,
> > > but
> > > > tough the extra weight on my neck while doing acro was to much
> a down
> >fall
> > > > compare to the extra protection (that will most likely not
> help me in
> >a
> > > fix
> > > > wing crash). So I went with a fix wing. Why the HGU55 with the
> 33
> >visor
> > > > instead of the strait HGU33? Simple, the HGU55 is designed for
> fighter
> > > > pilots and is cut much higher in the back of the head then the
> HGU33
> >is.
> > > The
> > > > difference is the 55 allows greater head movement freedom
> which in my
> > > > opinion is necessary for the type of flying I do.
> > > >
> > > > Total cost for an XL Painted Kevlar HGU55 (with HGU33 visor)
> with the
> >top
> > > of
> > > > the line microphone, ANR, Oxygen mask connector (I need those
> for my
> > > Fouga)
> > > > interchangeable communication cords (2) and installation kit
> for
> > > electrical
> > > > power(from aircraft to ANR) comes to $1600US.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Jim Griffin" <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> > > > >To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: help wanted !
> > > > >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:53:31 -0600
> > > > >
> > > > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Griffin"
> <jgriffint28@cox.net>
> > > > >
> > > > >Hi Doug
> > > > >The HGU 33 with the single hidden visor is the most sought
> after and
> >the
> > > > >lightest especially if you get made of Kevlar instead of
> fiberglass.
> >Next
> > > > >is the HGU 55 which has a exposed single visor and is light.
> You can
> > > order
> > > > >an ANR kit from Headsets Inc and change it over yourself for
> about
> >130
> > > > >bucks. That is who flightsuits INC uses.
> > > > >The helo helmets are OK but are wider at the ear level and
> heavier.
> >You
> > > > >will notice it with acro. You don't need ANR with a well
> fitted
> >helmet
> > > in a
> > > > >CJ. Good luck.
> > > > >Jim Griffin
> >
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