Yak-List Digest Archive

Wed 03/01/06


Total Messages Posted: 37



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:53 AM - Tires (Tim Gagnon)
     2. 06:01 AM - Vinyl Decals Needed (David McGirt)
     3. 06:04 AM - Re: Tires (DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com)
     4. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Yak 52 Bad Habit (Ira Saligman)
     5. 06:24 AM - Re: Vinyl Decals Needed (doug sapp)
     6. 07:24 AM - Re: Sun & Fun 2006 (forrest johnson)
     7. 07:24 AM - Re: Vinyl Decals Needed (Roger Kemp)
     8. 07:47 AM - Re: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req.Re: compensation issue, my second last try. (Valkyre1)
     9. 08:02 AM - Re: T-6 water skiing (Valkyre1)
    10. 08:13 AM - Re: water skiing (Valkyre1)
    11. 08:42 AM - Re: Sun & Fun 2006 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
    12. 08:54 AM - Re: Tires (Rob Kent)
    13. 08:54 AM - Re: Tires (Rob Kent)
    14. 09:02 AM - Re: Tires (Tim Gagnon)
    15. 09:19 AM - Re: Vinyl Decals Needed (doug sapp)
    16. 09:19 AM - Tail wheel tires (Fraser, Gus)
    17. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Tires (Roger Kemp)
    18. 10:04 AM - Re: Vinyl Decals Needed (Roger Kemp)
    19. 10:12 AM - Re: CJ6A overvoltage module (ByronMFox@aol.com)
    20. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: Tires (Brian Lloyd)
    21. 10:31 AM - Re: Vinyl Decals Needed (David McGirt)
    22. 11:04 AM - Re: Vinyl Decals Needed (Roger Kemp)
    23. 11:43 AM - Sun - n -Fun (Jeff Linebaugh)
    24. 12:06 PM - Re: CJ6A overvoltage module (Roger Kemp)
    25. 01:04 PM - Mogas? (Buzzard Aviation)
    26. 01:13 PM - Re: Sun - n -Fun (cdustercc)
    27. 01:30 PM - nose tires (JOE HOWSE)
    28. 02:25 PM - Re: T-6 water skiing (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
    29. 03:11 PM - Re: nose tires (Roger Kemp)
    30. 05:46 PM - Re: T-6 water skiing (Walter Lannon)
    31. 05:59 PM - Re: Mogas? (cjpilot710@aol.com)
    32. 07:04 PM - Re: Sun - n -Fun (ADE)
    33. 07:32 PM - Re: Sun - n -Fun (forrest johnson)
    34. 09:05 PM - Re: Sun - n -Fun (FamilyGage@aol.com)
    35. 09:12 PM - Re: Sun & Fun 2006 (FamilyGage@aol.com)
    36. 11:32 PM - Official Yak-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle)
    37. 11:34 PM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:53:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Tires
    From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com> I need to put some new skins on my airplane and was looking for some input. I know Desser supplies some but was curious what everyone else has done.... Thanks in advance! Tim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18682#18682


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    Time: 06:01:09 AM PST US
    From: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
    Subject: Vinyl Decals Needed
    Ok, I need a short term fix to a paint problem. Can someone point me to a vinyl decal shop that can make me some decals for the outside of my TW that will stand up to the oil ect.. will be placed just below the cockpit - cover up the existing name :-) Thanks in advance, but preferably someone that has a proven solution. Thanks David McGirt


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    Time: 06:04:02 AM PST US
    From: DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com
    Subject: Re: Tires
    --> Yak-List message posted by: DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com Tim, That is basically your only option unless you have Desser recap your existing tires. Ski's are another option of course. :-) Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com> Subject: Yak-List: Tires > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com> > > I need to put some new skins on my airplane and was looking for > some input. > > I know Desser supplies some but was curious what everyone else has > done.... > Thanks in advance! > > Tim > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18682#18682 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:06:38 AM PST US
    From: "Ira Saligman" <ira.saligman@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Yak 52 Bad Habit
    I agree with the comment about sealed pockets. The other thing which works for us if we take passengers who are not wearing a flight suit just for a FAM ride, is that we keep a box of ziplock bags in the hangar and before flying, ask passengers to put everything in their pockets into a bag. Then if they put the bag in their pocket the individual coins and crap won't become FOD. Ira Saligman o 610 687 0420 c 610 324 5500 f 215 243 7699 <mailto:isaligman@saligman.com> isaligman@saligman.com


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    Time: 06:24:32 AM PST US
    From: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
    Subject: Vinyl Decals Needed
    Dave, I am sure there are lots of vinyl shops out there but I have used "Vinyl Approach" contact name is Dean Rustin, phone 425-750-6064, Fax 425-355-4288 or email one.hog@verizon.net Dean did the prop decals for the J9-G1 prop decals for me. They are exactly like the stock painted on "logo" that the Nanchang prop wears when it leaves the factory. He even matched the correct shade of yellow. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David McGirt Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 6:00 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Ok, I need a short term fix to a paint problem. Can someone point me to a vinyl decal shop that can make me some decals for the outside of my TW that will stand up to the oil ect.. will be placed just below the cockpit - cover up the existing name J Thanks in advance, but preferably someone that has a proven solution. Thanks David McGirt


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    Time: 07:24:18 AM PST US
    From: "forrest johnson" <flushjohnson@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Sun & Fun 2006
    Are WE staying at the Holiday Inn? I havent heard for sure. I made reservations after the last posting. Will arrive on the 3rd. I think we need to let every body know what the plans are. Thanks FORREST ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:30 PM Subject: Yak-List: Sun & Fun 2006 Troops, Well it's time to start planning for Sun & Fun. You snow bird can scrap the ice off your wings and come to God's country where the girls wear shorts all year to show off their sun tan legs. Land of the 'Blue hair', gators, moccasins, and Florida's state bug the Palmetto bug. Yep its time to warm up. Anyway, I need to get an idea of what the majority of you want. Last year a few (NOT all) said you wanted to be near the 'regular' WB guys hotel. That's down town Winter Heaven. To get from LAL airport to there after the airshow is a real hassle. All the restaurants very crowed each evening. Zephyrhills, although not near the WB guys and as "up town" does not have near the traffic nor attractions. Rooms will most likely be cheaper as will the restaurants. We found a number of very good eateries there and a very decent bar. The FBO will most likely have us parked out in the field again, but the same would be at LAL, GIF, or BOW. I have no idea what fuel will be at this point. It might be that we will be split up and only get together at the show. That may happen if I do not get a super majority one way or another. OFF list please, so as not to rub it in to the poor souls who shall freeze their tonuses off. (temp today was 68F with a bit of a breeze from the NW, CAVU). Jim (Pappy) Goolsby


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    Time: 07:24:18 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Vinyl Decals Needed
    Talon, Give me a call later. I will give you the name of my guy down in Lakeland that did mine. They are exactly where you had yours and have stood up for the past two years and 150 hours>. The shop is Aerodecals but I have to get the number from the office at the hanger. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: David McGirt Sent: 3/1/2006 8:09:46 AM Subject: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Ok, I need a short term fix to a paint problem. Can someone point me to a vinyl decal shop that can make me some decals for the outside of my TW that will stand up to the oil ect.. will be placed just below the cockpit cover up the existing name J Thanks in advance, but preferably someone that has a proven solution Thanks David McGirt


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    Time: 07:47:54 AM PST US
    From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req.Re: compensation issue,
    my second last try. This does help. Thanks Drew...and it will be a long drawn out and frustrating process. Staying power here is important. - Val


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    Time: 08:02:12 AM PST US
    From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: T-6 water skiing
    Awesome! just be aware if anyone out there is tempted to play with this that perfectly calm water, although more desirable to touch on, is considered more difficult because it can wreak havoc with depth perception. Waves, on the other hand, can flip you or lead to an abrupt decrease in speed that is proportional to the rate of descent, height of the waves and speed you're flying at when you make contact. I haven't tried this and don't intend to, and I'm probably not the only one out there that has a seaplane rating. Just a few thoughts for some of our more adventurous souls. - Val


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    Time: 08:13:37 AM PST US
    From: "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: water skiing
    Looking forward to the video Herb. On the water ski subject... I flew a Hughes 500 (rotor wingie thingie) up the Turnigan arm and then just North of Anchorage for some salmon fishing a few years ago. Looking down at the tree lined river, I saw three tiny J-3 Cubs sitting on what I thought were impossible to access sandbars and have wondered how the heck they got in there ever since. Mystery solved. Anyone who thinks that the pilot isn't the main component in aircraft performance....well, 'nuff said. - Val


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    Time: 08:42:40 AM PST US
    From: cjpilot710@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Sun & Fun 2006
    We are all staying at the Holiday Inn in Winter Heaven with the regular WB guys. See the WB magazine or the web site for the hotel info. Pappy


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    Time: 08:54:25 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Kent" <rkent@wlacrussianeng.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Tires
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Kent" <rkent@wlacrussianeng.co.uk> Tim, We regularly use the Aero Classic tires from Speciality tires of America for the main wheels (500x150). We would use the 400x150 (nose) also if it were not for the fact that they are only rated to 35psi and the Manuals say 3-3.5 bar (approx 50psi). Our local CAA won't accept them, even though we used these tires for a number of years before we were forced to migrate to the G-reg. We got pulled up about these on a Su-26 and had to change them, since then we use Polish tires. These are purchased from a tire supplier n the UK who import them and they are certainly not cheap. Regards Rob Kent Stores Manager WLAC - Russian Engineering www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk Tel: +44 1628 829 165 Fax: +44 1628 828 961 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:51 PM Subject: Yak-List: Tires > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com> > > I need to put some new skins on my airplane and was looking for some > input. > > I know Desser supplies some but was curious what everyone else has > done.... > > Thanks in advance! > > Tim > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18682#18682 > > >


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    Time: 08:54:34 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Kent" <rkent@wlacrussianeng.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Tires
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Kent" <rkent@wlacrussianeng.co.uk> Of course if you want a set of ski's, I've got some here. :-) Regards Rob Kent ----- Original Message ----- From: <DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Tires > --> Yak-List message posted by: DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com > > Tim, That is basically your only option unless you have Desser recap > your existing tires. Ski's are another option of course. :-) > Dennis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com> > Date: Wednesday, March 1, 2006 7:56 am > Subject: Yak-List: Tires > To: yak-list@matronics.com > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com> >> >> I need to put some new skins on my airplane and was looking for >> some input. >> >> I know Desser supplies some but was curious what everyone else has >> done.... >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18682#18682 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:02:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tires
    From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com> A Yak-50 on skis?? How will that effect my climb performance? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18761#18761


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    Time: 09:19:09 AM PST US
    From: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
    Subject: Vinyl Decals Needed
    Roger, Always looking for additional sources of new stuff, cold you drop me his info also? Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:23 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Talon, Give me a call later. I will give you the name of my guy down in Lakeland that did mine. They are exactly where you had yours and have stood up for the past two years and 150 hours>. The shop is Aerodecals but I have to get the number from the office at the hanger. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: David McGirt To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: 3/1/2006 8:09:46 AM Subject: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Ok, I need a short term fix to a paint problem. Can someone point me to a vinyl decal shop that can make me some decals for the outside of my TW that will stand up to the oil ect.. will be placed just below the cockpit cover up the existing name J Thanks in advance, but preferably someone that has a proven solution Thanks David McGirt


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    Time: 09:19:33 AM PST US
    From: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
    Subject: Tail wheel tires
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com> Folks I am looking for a solid tail wheel tire 200X80, same size as Sukhoi, Yak 55, and I think 50. Anyone have a really good source ? Also looking for a good solution to towing a taildragger behind a truck. Gus


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    Time: 10:03:55 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Tires
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> How does a fence affect your takeoff roll? Doc > [Original Message] > From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Date: 3/1/2006 11:13:34 AM > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Tires > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com> > > A Yak-50 on skis?? > > How will that effect my climb performance? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18761#18761 > > > > > > >


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    Time: 10:04:23 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Vinyl Decals Needed
    Glad to. Just need to get out to the Hanger or maybe Dennis could look it up on the envelope that in on the corner of the desk next to main exit? If not I'll get it to you by this evening. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: doug sapp Sent: 3/1/2006 11:31:21 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Roger, Always looking for additional sources of new stuff, cold you drop me his info also? Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:23 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Talon, Give me a call later. I will give you the name of my guy down in Lakeland that did mine. They are exactly where you had yours and have stood up for the past two years and 150 hours>. The shop is Aerodecals but I have to get the number from the office at the hanger. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: David McGirt Sent: 3/1/2006 8:09:46 AM Subject: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Ok, I need a short term fix to a paint problem. Can someone point me to a vinyl decal shop that can make me some decals for the outside of my TW that will stand up to the oil ect.. will be placed just below the cockpit cover up the existing name J Thanks in advance, but preferably someone that has a proven solution Thanks David McGirt


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    Time: 10:12:07 AM PST US
    From: ByronMFox@aol.com
    Subject: Re: CJ6A overvoltage module
    In a message dated 2/28/2006 10:57:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, viperdoc@mindspring.com writes: Try a Garmin 295 Have one, Doc, and to the amusement of our former VN fighter pilots, pumped in all the waypoints for the best gound-fire-free route to the target. But...did it wrong, and was so consumed thereafter with basic low-level dead reckoning, being bounced by an aggressor and losing my wingman that I failed to notice on my 295 that I had strayed into El Centro's airspace. Dumb. Pitiful SA. Testimony, though, that when things go wrong they do so in bunches. In the back seat, Buck Bender, an F 4 River Rat, was choking with laughter. So, I bought the drinks. Desert Thunder. It's too much fun! ...Blitz


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    Time: 10:25:53 AM PST US
    From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
    Subject: Re: Tires
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> Roger Kemp wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > How does a fence affect your takeoff roll? Rate of climb is reduced as a function of the amount of fence remaining attached to your skis. Note: it is possible for rate-of-climb to be less than zero leading to operation in an undesirable flight regime. Unwanted ground-contact is possible in this flight configuration. -- Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupery


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    Time: 10:31:30 AM PST US
    From: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
    Subject: Vinyl Decals Needed
    Think this is it? http://www.aerodecals.com/home.html _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Glad to. Just need to get out to the Hanger or maybe Dennis could look it up on the envelope that in on the corner of the desk next to main exit? If not I'll get it to you by this evening. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: doug sapp <mailto:rvfltd@televar.com> Sent: 3/1/2006 11:31:21 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Roger, Always looking for additional sources of new stuff, cold you drop me his info also? Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:23 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Talon, Give me a call later. I will give you the name of my guy down in Lakeland that did mine. They are exactly where you had yours and have stood up for the past two years and 150 hours>. The shop is Aerodecals but I have to get the number from the office at the hanger. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: David McGirt <mailto:david@mcgirt.net> Sent: 3/1/2006 8:09:46 AM Subject: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Ok, I need a short term fix to a paint problem. Can someone point me to a vinyl decal shop that can make me some decals for the outside of my TW that will stand up to the oil ect.. will be placed just below the cockpit cover up the existing name :-) Thanks in advance, but preferably someone that has a proven solution Thanks David McGirt


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    Time: 11:04:19 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Vinyl Decals Needed
    Talon, Negative. There are two aerodecal companies in that area. Aviation Graphics is their new name. Seems he got sued by the other aerodecal company. Try this number: 863-644-2451 Ask for Phil Waldman. ----- Original Message ----- From: David McGirt Sent: 3/1/2006 12:40:32 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Think this is it? http://www.aerodecals.com/home.html From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Glad to. Just need to get out to the Hanger or maybe Dennis could look it up on the envelope that in on the corner of the desk next to main exit? If not I'll get it to you by this evening. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: doug sapp Sent: 3/1/2006 11:31:21 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Roger, Always looking for additional sources of new stuff, cold you drop me his info also? Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 7:23 AM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Talon, Give me a call later. I will give you the name of my guy down in Lakeland that did mine. They are exactly where you had yours and have stood up for the past two years and 150 hours>. The shop is Aerodecals but I have to get the number from the office at the hanger. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: David McGirt Sent: 3/1/2006 8:09:46 AM Subject: Yak-List: Vinyl Decals Needed Ok, I need a short term fix to a paint problem. Can someone point me to a vinyl decal shop that can make me some decals for the outside of my TW that will stand up to the oil ect.. will be placed just below the cockpit cover up the existing name J Thanks in advance, but preferably someone that has a proven solution Thanks David McGirt


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    Time: 11:43:11 AM PST US
    From: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Sun - n -Fun
    Has anybody received confirmations for room reservations for SNF? I have Fax'd, e-mailed, and faxed again to EAA Warbirds a request for rooms and have not heard anything back....getting worried that I won't have a room . No airplane, no room, no fun.... Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/ Memphis, TN


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    Time: 12:06:39 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: CJ6A overvoltage module
    Yep, task saturation can be a bitch! Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 3/1/2006 12:20:12 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ6A overvoltage module In a message dated 2/28/2006 10:57:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, viperdoc@mindspring.com writes: Try a Garmin 295 Have one, Doc, and to the amusement of our former VN fighter pilots, pumped in all the waypoints for the best gound-fire-free route to the target. But...did it wrong, and was so consumed thereafter with basic low-level dead reckoning, being bounced by an aggressor and losing my wingman that I failed to notice on my 295 that I had strayed into El Centro's airspace. Dumb. Pitiful SA. Testimony, though, that when things go wrong they do so in bunches. In the back seat, Buck Bender, an F 4 River Rat, was choking with laughter. So, I bought the drinks. Desert Thunder. It's too much fun! ...Blitz


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    Time: 01:04:39 PM PST US
    From: Buzzard Aviation <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
    Subject: Mogas?


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    Time: 01:13:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Sun - n -Fun
    From: "cdustercc" <craig@craftairservices.com>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "cdustercc" <craig@craftairservices.com> Heck Jeff go to walmart and get a tent. It will be the best fun you have ever had. We always go to sun & fun with reservations for the canvas inn. Don't forget your lawn chair, beer cooler, and some sandwich fixins. The after dark festivities are always great. If you find yourself alone, just be quiet and listen for a few minutes. Head torwards the loudest laughter and a good time is almost guaranteed! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=18824#18824


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    Time: 01:30:47 PM PST US
    From: JOE HOWSE <joeh@shaw.ca>
    Subject: nose tires
    yakkers I have a stock of the Chinese 400X 150 nose tires if any one is interested. contact me off line. Joe Hoewse joeh@shaw.ca


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    Time: 02:25:45 PM PST US
    From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
    Subject: T-6 water skiing
    Dragging the tires on water: I have been with a nut that did it in a Cessna 180. His words were.... "The REAL trick is to make SURE your breaks are LOCKED." According to my buddy... it is very easy to do and not dangerous at all. Yeah right. Of course..... He very well may be right. I do not intend to ever put it to the test. mgb -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Valkyre1 Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-6 water skiing Awesome! just be aware if anyone out there is tempted to play with this that perfectly calm water, although more desirable to touch on, is considered more difficult because it can wreak havoc with depth perception. Waves, on the other hand, can flip you or lead to an abrupt decrease in speed that is proportional to the rate of descent, height of the waves and speed you're flying at when you make contact. I haven't tried this and don't intend to, and I'm probably not the only one out there that has a seaplane rating. Just a few thoughts for some of our more adventurous souls. - Val


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    Time: 03:11:46 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: nose tires
    Are they slicks? The nose wheel on my YAK has 150 hours on it and is still hanging in there! Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: JOE HOWSE Sent: 3/1/2006 3:35:57 PM Subject: Yak-List: nose tires yakkers I have a stock of the Chinese 400X 150 nose tires if any one is interested. contact me off line. Joe Hoewse joeh@shaw.ca


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    Time: 05:46:32 PM PST US
    From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
    Subject: Re: T-6 water skiing
    I'm sure he is right. Have not done it myself but spoken to others who have. The brakes are mandatory and really represent the only real danger. A free turning wheel could be disastrous. Wish I had done that, now too damned old!. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G To: 'yak-list@matronics.com' Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: T-6 water skiing Dragging the tires on water: I have been with a nut that did it in a Cessna 180. His words were.... "The REAL trick is to make SURE your breaks are LOCKED." According to my buddy... it is very easy to do and not dangerous at all. Yeah right. Of course..... He very well may be right. I do not intend to ever put it to the test. mgb -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Valkyre1 Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 11:01 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: T-6 water skiing Awesome! just be aware if anyone out there is tempted to play with this that perfectly calm water, although more desirable to touch on, is considered more difficult because it can wreak havoc with depth perception. Waves, on the other hand, can flip you or lead to an abrupt decrease in speed that is proportional to the rate of descent, height of the waves and speed you're flying at when you make contact. I haven't tried this and don't intend to, and I'm probably not the only one out there that has a seaplane rating. Just a few thoughts for some of our more adventurous souls. - Val


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    Time: 05:59:41 PM PST US
    From: cjpilot710@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Mogas?
    A number of guys over here do use high test auto fuel in the M-14p often mixed with avgas 100LL. I have on occasions used it with no problem in a pinch, but I do not make it a rule. You must be careful about getting alcohol blends. Jim "Pappy' Goolsby Hi all, Anyone out there using mogas in theM14P? Is there an STC? With fuel here at 1.25+ per litre any saving will add to my flying hours :-D Happy Landings ____|____ \O/ o'o Martin Robinson Auster AOP 9 G-BKVK (WZ662) Yak 18T HA-YAV


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    Time: 07:04:15 PM PST US
    From: ADE <coolade@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Sun - n -Fun
    Jeff. send email to warbird@aol.com On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:48 AM, Jeff Linebaugh wrote: > Has anybody received confirmations for room reservations for SNF? > > I have Fax'd, e-mailed, and faxed again to EAA Warbirds a request for > rooms and have not heard anything back....getting worried that I won't > have a room...=A0=A0 No airplane, no room, no fun.... > > > Jeff Linebaugh > jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/ > Memphis, TN > <unknown.gif>


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    Time: 07:32:46 PM PST US
    From: "forrest johnson" <flushjohnson@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Sun - n -Fun
    I am in the same boat as you. If I get anything I will post it. ----- Original Message ----- From: ADE To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:01 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sun - n -Fun Jeff. send email to warbird@aol.com On Mar 1, 2006, at 11:48 AM, Jeff Linebaugh wrote: Has anybody received confirmations for room reservations for SNF? I have Fax'd, e-mailed, and faxed again to EAA Warbirds a request for rooms and have not heard anything back....getting worried that I won't have a room... No airplane, no room, no fun.... Jeff Linebaugh jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/ Memphis, TN <unknown.gif>


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    Time: 09:05:36 PM PST US
    From: FamilyGage@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Sun - n -Fun
    Yes, I have a room at the headquarters Holiday Inn for five days. I called the number in the WB magazine. Everyone should move quickly before all of the rooms are taken. Ray Gage


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    Time: 09:12:05 PM PST US
    From: FamilyGage@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Sun & Fun 2006
    Yes Pappy. I already have a room at the Holiday Inn (WB). Should be fun to stay at Lakeland for a change. Ray


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    Time: 11:32:51 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Yak-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
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    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> Dear Listers, Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** Yak-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. Yak-List Policy Statement The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.]




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