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1. 05:59 AM - Re: Insurance (Scott Poehlmann)
2. 07:45 AM - Re: Insurance (Sarah Tobin)
3. 08:44 AM - Re: Insurance (Scott Kirk)
4. 11:24 AM - Re: Insurance (Roger Kemp)
5. 12:46 PM - TDY @ Patrick AFB (Steven A Johnson)
6. 12:56 PM - Re: Insurance (Sarah Tobin)
7. 01:38 PM - Insurance - It pays to shop around (Scooter)
8. 07:18 PM - Re: Insurance (Ron Davis)
9. 07:30 PM - Re: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req. (Ron Davis)
10. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: Yak Design Bureau Decals (Cliff Umscheid)
11. 08:32 PM - Re: Insurance (fish@aviation-tech.com)
12. 09:06 PM - Re: Insurance (Sarah Tobin)
13. 10:32 PM - Re: Yak-List: (Valkyre1)
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Did you try Falcon? I'm a CPL with about 1500 hours, but 0 in type and they only
hit me for $2200 for my -55.
BTW, you'll LOVE the 55!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, 13 March, 2006 11:16
Subject: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure what happened with my previous post, but what I said was that
I found the cheapest insurance with Avemco for my Yak 55.
I have an ATP and a bunch of hours, but 0 time in type, so they hammered me for
about 2600/year. But they still beat everyone else's quote, and I bugged everyone!
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I sure did try them, tried them first and they wanted 3200 bucks. Apparently females
are higher risk these days. This was all in the last month, so I don't
know if they just went up, but you guys are making me think I am getting the
big screw job here.
Smash
Scott Poehlmann <scott-p@texas.net> wrote:
Did you try Falcon? I'm a CPL with about 1500 hours, but 0 in type and
they only hit me for $2200 for my -55.
BTW, you'll LOVE the 55!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, 13 March, 2006 11:16
Subject: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure what happened with my previous post, but what I said was that
I found the cheapest insurance with Avemco for my Yak 55.
I have an ATP and a bunch of hours, but 0 time in type, so they hammered me for
about 2600/year. But they still beat everyone else's quote, and I bugged everyone!
Smash
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
I have a Yak-55 and am insured thru Tom Johnson's agency as he is quite
familiar with the Yaks and own a Yak-50. Try TomJohnson@cox.net and see if
he can help, his website link is below. My policy is in the $1500 range if
memory serves. Last year it was $1700 with no time in type! If you've
checked several insurance companies within a short period its quite likely
you've been locked out of getting a better quote (unless you've used an
artificial N number).
www.airpowerinsurance.com
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: Sarah Tobin <aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I sure did try them, tried them first and they wanted 3200 bucks.
Apparently females are higher risk these days. This was all in the last
month, so I don't know if they just went up, but you guys are making me
think I am getting the big screw job here.
Smash
Scott Poehlmann <scott-p@texas.net> wrote:
Did you try Falcon? I'm a CPL with about 1500 hours, but 0 in
type and they only hit me for $2200 for my -55.
BTW, you'll LOVE the 55!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, 13 March, 2006 11:16
Subject: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure what happened with my previous post, but what I said was
that I found the cheapest insurance with Avemco for my Yak 55.
I have an ATP and a bunch of hours, but 0 time in type, so they hammered
me for about 2600/year. But they still beat everyone else's quote, and I
bugged everyone!
Smash
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Apparently females are high risk these days.
Smash
Hummmm....you think???
Doc
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| Subject: | TDY @ Patrick AFB |
I will be TDY at Patrick AFB 16-19 Mar 2006. Is there anyone in the area
who would like to exchange some flight time for some 100 LL?
Steve Johnson
Yak 52
N9900X
413 522-1130
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I did go to TJ but it was *after* getting the crappy quotes from other people.
(Falcon/AOPA/Avemco). He couldn't do any better than Avemco. I used the existing
N # and went thru the previous owners insurance (Falcon) expecting a decent
quote, perhaps a bit higher due to my 0 time in type, but wasn't expecting
double what he was paying!
Okay, I think I am going to go stick my head in an oven now...you guys are killing
me! How did I get the big screw? UGH
Smash
Scott Kirk <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk"
I have a Yak-55 and am insured thru Tom Johnson's agency as he is quite
familiar with the Yaks and own a Yak-50. Try TomJohnson@cox.net and see if
he can help, his website link is below. My policy is in the $1500 range if
memory serves. Last year it was $1700 with no time in type! If you've
checked several insurance companies within a short period its quite likely
you've been locked out of getting a better quote (unless you've used an
artificial N number).
www.airpowerinsurance.com
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: Sarah Tobin
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I sure did try them, tried them first and they wanted 3200 bucks.
Apparently females are higher risk these days. This was all in the last
month, so I don't know if they just went up, but you guys are making me
think I am getting the big screw job here.
Smash
Scott Poehlmann wrote:
Did you try Falcon? I'm a CPL with about 1500 hours, but 0 in
type and they only hit me for $2200 for my -55.
BTW, you'll LOVE the 55!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
Sent: Monday, 13 March, 2006 11:16
Subject: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure what happened with my previous post, but what I said was
that I found the cheapest insurance with Avemco for my Yak 55.
I have an ATP and a bunch of hours, but 0 time in type, so they hammered
me for about 2600/year. But they still beat everyone else's quote, and I
bugged everyone!
Smash
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| Subject: | Insurance - It pays to shop around |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
I got a quote $520 less than (the other guys) and less than half the deductable
(and no requirement to join EAA Warbirds - saved another $55). Falcon was about
the same with a higher deductable plus a 5% discount for being an AOPA member.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=21967#21967
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I can give you some valuable advice here that comes from the experience of a personal
tragedy in my own family: Use a GAS oven.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I did go to TJ but it was *after* getting the crappy quotes from other people.
(Falcon/AOPA/Avemco). He couldn't do any better than Avemco. I used the existing
N # and went thru the previous owners insurance (Falcon) expecting a decent
quote, perhaps a bit higher due to my 0 time in type, but wasn't expecting
double what he was paying!
Okay, I think I am going to go stick my head in an oven now...you guys are killing
me! How did I get the big screw? UGH
Smash
Scott Kirk <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk"
I have a Yak-55 and am insured thru Tom Johnson's agency as he is quite
familiar with the Yaks and own a Yak-50. Try TomJohnson@cox.net and see if
he can help, his websi te link is below. My policy is in the $1500 range if
memory serves. Last year it was $1700 with no time in type! If you've
checked several insurance companies within a short period its quite likely
you've been locked out of getting a better quote (unless you've used an
artificial N number).
www.airpowerinsurance.com
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:43:30 -0800 (PST)
I sure did try them, tried them first and they wanted 3200 bucks.
Apparently females are higher risk these days. This was all in the last
month, so I don't know if they just went up, but you guys are making me
think I am getting the big screw job here.
Smash
Scott Poehlmann wrote:
Did you try Falcon? I'm a CPL with about 1500 hours, but 0 in
type and they only hit me for $2200 for my -55.
BTW, you'll LOVE the 55!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, 13 March, 2006 11:16
Subject: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure what happened with my previous post, but what I said was
that I found the cheapest insurance with Avemco for my Yak 55.
I have an ATP and a bunch of hours, but 0 time in type, so they hammered
me for about 2600/year. But they still beat everyone else's quote, and I
bugged everyone!
Smash
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| Subject: | Re: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req. |
Drew,
It is very illustrative that you returned with this advice from the NWOC. There
is no FAR 91.500 and 91.501 has nothing whatsoever to due with the issue of
compensation for display at airshows:
Sec. 91.501 Applicability.
(a) This subpart prescribes operating rules, in addition to those
prescribed in other subparts of this part, governing the operation of
large airplanes of U.S. registry, turbojet-powered multiengine civil
airplanes of U.S. registry, and fractional ownership program aircraft...
Was it a good party at least? Were all of the other technical issues handled with
smoke and mirrors too? You, and the feeble-minded bureaucrats in DC, need
to figure out that there are a few of us who know how to read. You go to a high
level summit with the ruling class and return with this crap! Was this boondoggle
at the expense of the association?
----- Original Message -----
From: Drew Blahnick
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req.
Folks,
I just got back from the National Warbird Operators Conference ('NWOC'), where
we had a FAST National BoD meeting (the RPA makes up one signatory and board
seat, all other warbird organizations who are FAST signatories make up the rest),
which was attended by Jeff Weller from the FAA in Wash DC. I spoke about
the compensation and commercial licensing issue with Jeff, who works in the general
av. and commercial division and is the FAA National Airshow Coordinator.
He is working closely with FAST National on several issues concerning formation
standardization (the national president is Mike Filucci by the way). This
issue of compensation effects every FAST pilot without a commercial ticket,
and effects the RPA (and volunteers who are setting up) RedStars mass formation
teams (see flyredstar.org 'airshow center'). I write the following with the
personal belief that this is strictly a compensation i ssue; the commercial ticket
does not reflect a qualitative differance in aviators holding the FAST card,
it is, in the end, simply a rule on the books dealing with commercial services/compensation
and thus having an appropriate commercial rating - and it's
my belief it is overly restrictive and has a negative effect on the ability of
FAST, and other approved formation certification bodies, to support the airshow
industry and the general public interest.
The following are his statements in response to my questions:
Q: Where do we find what is defined as compensation or catagories that may not
apply?
A: There are some compensation catagories that do not require a commercial license,
they are quite limited, they can be researched through FAR 91.500 (or)
501.
Q: How do we petition to gain a waiver/exemption/change to this regulation/rule?
A: No easy task, this would have to be taken up with general counsel (FAA legal
dept. chock full of Lawyers) in Washington DC.
Please note that Jeff is close to the puzzle palace and a good source of information,
but we are dealing with compensation issues, we have no idea if the FAA
rule is impacted by IRS regulations/rulings requiring their involvement! I
have no idea, and it shouldn't stop citizens from taking action regardless...
It wasn't a hopeful discussion, however, you have to start somewhere - now, our
current volunteers in the assoc. are loaded up, if someone effected by this
ruling would like to help, here is my suggestion.
1. Research the regulation and rule extensively, the best way to argue the merits
of your position is to have an equal command of that regulation a s the does
the enforcer/interpreter. Jeff mentioned the details could be found in 91.500
or 501 which should be online - warning, I've never met a FSDO who could remember
every regulation, but take a look.
2. In requesting a waiver or rule change, be extremely specific, if its contractually
provided hotel rooms on the dates that FAST pilots performing formation
in waivered airspace and/or replacement of used aviation fuel in the process
of operating a US registered aircraft in waivered airspace during the airshow
or aerial event, then that should be clear, with clear limits; No other form
of compensation in lieu of ...can or will be accepted...you get the idea.
3. Author a letter to the FAST National Board of Directors through the RPA that
professionally lays out the issues and requests/proposed action (#2). The
RPA is an equal signatory to FAST National and a member of the Board and the letter
can be p resented to all other board members for consideration and endorsement
- the idea being if their membership is negatively effected, we want the
endorsement of the entire FAST formation community that serves the US Airshow
Industry. If this had even a snowballs chance in hell, in my opinion it has
even less if it just shows up as a request from 60 pilots who fly imported eastern
block aircraft.
4. A waiver package/request for rule change (don't ask for more than they can
give, a waiver is an FAA word, a rule change is probably not in their vocabulary)
with the letter then heads to the FAA (General Counsel, Airshow Coordinator
and other parties in the FAA).
Of course, thats just presenting the issue and solution with some backing and
in a format the Legal Department (and other parties) would at least be pressed
to read/review - no doubt, someone would need to face to face or via phon e
meeting emphasize the numbers of professionally FAST trained-qualified pilots,
and airshows, negatively effected by the current regulation/ruling and the merits
of such a waiver/rule change suggestion, etc.
These steps are just a suggestion, and I did not address this to the static displays.
I suspect someone has a very differant view on approaching the subject,
if you would like to contact the FAA in DC that's certainly your right;here's
the address:
800 Independance Ave. S.W.
Washington DC 20591
Hope this helps,
Drew
Drew Blahnick
President
RedStar Pilots Association
Time: 07:26:57 PM PST US
From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: compensation issue, my second last try.
The exemption is for passengers to share expenses. IMHO the FAA is on
shaky legal
ground as far as compensation for static display. You don't need any
license
to own a plane and all of the FARs on commercial operations refer to
carrying
passengers or cargo for hire or a flight for hire (delivering a plane,
towing
a glider, etc).
Museums charge people to look at their planes. Does the person selling
the tickets
have commercial license? Does the guy who owns the museum? It started
out
to be a policy of not giving fuel to Private pilots who flew in the
show and
spiraled out of control to include sandwiches.
Sadly, my opinion doesn't count. You need to find a judge that feels
this way.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Craft
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:05 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: compensation issue, my second last try.
I think I am missing something here. Isn't there an exemption for
"sharing expenses"?
How they can think that a sandwich and some gas is compensation is
beyond me. What do the airshow organizers put on your W-1099 form?
Three sandwiches,
two cokes, one room with a queen bed, thirty gallons of gas, use of one
lawn chair with shade, etc. Heck if the FAA is taking it that far, why
isn't
free admittance to an airshow compensation? Uh Oh, I probably shouldn't
have
typed that out loud. Did the FAA get into the airshow for free? Well
along
that line of reason, couldn't that be construed as accepting a bribe?
. Could
a properly informed administrator reverse the interpretation of the
regs?
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Design Bureau Decals |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
Tim,
Please add me to the list of those interested in multiple decals of Yak
Design Bureau. Let me know how and when you want payment and whether
payment should be made in Russian Rubles or Greenbacks . What is time
frame ? Thanks for taking on this project. BTW, how big will the
decals be?
CLIFF
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--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Group,
Currently I see the two biggest obsticales to aviation as fuel and insurance
prices.
Why is it that with the power of AOPA/EAA that they have not started their own
insurance sections, that sell insurance to aircraft owners at a reasonable rates?
Are the foxes in the henhouse?
Fly Safe
John Fischer
Yak-52, N213YA
PT-19A, Project
L-5E, Project
BT-13A, Project
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>I can give you some valuable advice here that comes from the experience >of
a personal tragedy in my own family: Use a GAS oven.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sarah Tobin
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
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> I did go to TJ but it was *after* getting the crappy quotes from other >people.
(Falcon/AOPA/Avemco). He couldn't do any better than Avemco. >I used the
existing N # and went thru the previous owners insurance >(Falcon) expecting
a decent quote, perhaps a bit higher due to my 0 time >in type, but wasn't expecting
double what he was paying!
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> Okay, I think I am going to go stick my head in an oven now...you guys >are
killing me! How did I get the big screw? UGH
>
> Smash
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> Scott Kirk <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk"
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> I have a Yak-55 and am insured thru Tom Johnson's agency as he is >quite
> familiar with the Yaks and own a Yak-50. Try TomJohnson@cox.net and >see
if
> he can help, his websi te link is below. My policy is in the $1500 >range
if
> memory serves. Last year it was $1700 with no time in type! If >you've
> checked several insurance companies within a short period its quite >likely
> you've been locked out of getting a better quote (unless you've used >an
> artificial N number).
>
> www.airpowerinsurance.com
>
> Scott
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Sarah Tobin
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:43:30 -0800 (PST)
>
> I sure did try them, tried them first and they wanted 3200 bucks.
> Apparently females are higher risk these days. This was all in the >last
> month, so I don't know if they just went up, but you guys are making >me
> think I am getting the big screw job here.
>
> Smash
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> Scott Poehlmann wrote:
> Did you try Falcon? I'm a CPL with about 1500 hours, but 0 in
> type and they only hit me for $2200 for my -55.
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> BTW, you'll LOVE the 55!
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> Scott
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sarah Tobin
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, 13 March, 2006 11:16
> Subject: Yak-List: Insurance
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> Okay, not sure what happened with my previous post, but what I said >was
> that I found the cheapest insurance with Avemco for my Yak 55.
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> I have an ATP and a bunch of hours, but 0 time in type, so they >hammered
> me for about 2600/year. But they still beat everyone else's quote, >and
I
> bugged everyone!
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Okay, not sure if you are joking or not, but THANKS...you made me laugh! I was
about to start throwing stuff thru windows just to make myself feel better, but
then I thought about the cost of replacing the windows and upon further consideration,
I realized I would pay at least twice the amount as anyone else on
the list for the same windows, so I decided to just suck it up and fly! :)
Smash
Ron Davis <L39parts@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can give you some valuable advice here that comes from the experience
of a personal tragedy in my own family: Use a GAS oven.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I did go to TJ but it was *after* getting the crappy quotes from other people.
(Falcon/AOPA/Avemco). He couldn't do any better than Avemco. I used the existing
N # and went thru the previous owners insurance (Falcon) expecting a decent
quote, perhaps a bit higher due to my 0 time in type, but wasn't expecting
double what he was paying!
Okay, I think I am going to go stick my head in an oven now...you guys are killing
me! How did I get the big screw? UGH
Smash
Scott Kirk <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk"
I have a Yak-55 and am insured thru Tom Johnson's agency as he is quite
familiar with the Yaks and own a Yak-50. Try TomJohnson@cox.net and see if
he can help, his websi te link is below. My policy is in the $1500 range if
memory serves. Last year it was $1700 with no time in type! If you've
checked several insurance companies within a short period its quite likely
you've been locked out of getting a better quote (unless you've used an
artificial N number).
www.airpowerinsurance.com
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: Sarah Tobin
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I sure did try them, tried them first and they wanted 3200 bucks.
Apparently females are higher risk these days. This was all in the last
month, so I don't know if they just went up, but you guys are making me
think I am getting the big screw job here.
Smash
Scott Poehlmann wrote:
Did you try Falcon? I'm a CPL with about 1500 hours, but 0 in
type and they only hit me for $2200 for my -55.
BTW, you'll LOVE the 55!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
Sent: Monday, 13 March, 2006 11:16
Subject: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure what happened with my previous post, but what I said was
that I found the cheapest insurance with Avemco for my Yak 55.
I have an ATP and a bunch of hours, but 0 time in type, so they hammered
me for about 2600/year. But they still beat everyone else's quote, and I
bugged everyone!
Smash
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Doc, it could be "my bad". I assumed that he would have access to both... but you
know what that ol ass umption means. It's always better to just call him and
ask. Frankly, I really don't know if he has bladder tanks for the YAK 52 as
well as the CJ or not. He's always up to some new innovation, kind of like you
are. (Grin)
- Valkyrie
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