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1. 06:16 AM - Re: Yak-List: (Roger Kemp)
2. 06:22 AM - Re: Insurance (Roger Kemp)
3. 07:27 AM - Re: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req. (Roger Kemp)
4. 07:41 AM - New purchase (Jim Bowerman)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: Insurance (Roger Kemp)
6. 08:27 AM - Re: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req. (David McGirt)
7. 08:30 AM - Re: Insurance (David McGirt)
8. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Yak Design Bureau Decals (Roger Kemp)
9. 09:06 AM - Re: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req. (doug sapp)
10. 09:26 AM - Re: Insurance (Roger Kemp)
11. 09:28 AM - Re: New purchase (Roger Kemp)
12. 09:59 AM - Re: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req. (Scooter)
13. 01:18 PM - Re: Insurance (Sarah Tobin)
14. 01:32 PM - Re: Insurance (Brian Lloyd)
15. 02:07 PM - Re: Insurance - It pays to shop around (Ira Saligman)
16. 03:56 PM - Re: Insurance (Bill Walker)
17. 04:48 PM - Re: Insurance (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 04:53 PM - Yak 50 for sale (John W. Hilterman Jr.)
19. 05:44 PM - Re: Insurance (Brian Lloyd)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List:Yak-List: |
Val,
Thanks. I think he just has the bladders for the CJ. Dennis tried talking to the
guys making the bladders even providing the fuel bay measurements to try to
get them made. No response as of yet. So he is persuing drop tanks from AU.
Me, I'm working on the SF 10 zipperless flight suit with smart skin! It will know
automatically who it will look good on and will shrink to the size of a raisin
for those that are not canidates!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Valkyre1
Sent: 3/16/2006 12:37:19 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-List:Yak-List:
Doc, it could be "my bad". I assumed that he would have access to both... but you
know what that ol ass umption means. It's always better to just call him and
ask. Frankly, I really don't know if he has bladder tanks for the YAK 52 as
well as the CJ or not. He's always up to some new innovation, kind of like you
are. (Grin)
- Valkyrie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Duhh Hu..
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: <fish@aviation-tech.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 3/15/2006 10:40:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
>
> Group,
>
> Currently I see the two biggest obsticales to aviation as fuel and
insurance
> prices.
>
> Why is it that with the power of AOPA/EAA that they have not started
their own
> insurance sections, that sell insurance to aircraft owners at a
reasonable rates?
>
>
> Are the foxes in the henhouse?
>
> Fly Safe
> John Fischer
> Yak-52, N213YA
> PT-19A, Project
> L-5E, Project
> BT-13A, Project
>
>
> >
> >
> >I can give you some valuable advice here that comes from the experience
>of
> a personal tragedy in my own family: Use a GAS oven.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Sarah Tobin
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
> >
> >
> > I did go to TJ but it was *after* getting the crappy quotes from other
>people.
> (Falcon/AOPA/Avemco). He couldn't do any better than Avemco. >I used
the
> existing N # and went thru the previous owners insurance >(Falcon)
expecting
> a decent quote, perhaps a bit higher due to my 0 time >in type, but
wasn't expecting
> double what he was paying!
> >
> > Okay, I think I am going to go stick my head in an oven now...you guys
>are
> killing me! How did I get the big screw? UGH
> >
> > Smash
> >
> > Scott Kirk <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk"
> >
> > I have a Yak-55 and am insured thru Tom Johnson's agency as he is
>quite
>
> > familiar with the Yaks and own a Yak-50. Try TomJohnson@cox.net and
>see
> if
> > he can help, his websi te link is below. My policy is in the $1500
>range
> if
> > memory serves. Last year it was $1700 with no time in type! If
>you've
>
> > checked several insurance companies within a short period its quite
>likely
>
> > you've been locked out of getting a better quote (unless you've used
>an
>
> > artificial N number).
> >
> > www.airpowerinsurance.com
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: Sarah Tobin
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
> > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 07:43:30 -0800 (PST)
> >
> > I sure did try them, tried them first and they wanted 3200 bucks.
> > Apparently females are higher risk these days. This was all in the
>last
>
> > month, so I don't know if they just went up, but you guys are making
>me
>
> > think I am getting the big screw job here.
> >
> > Smash
> >
> > Scott Poehlmann wrote:
> > Did you try Falcon? I'm a CPL with about 1500 hours, but 0 in
> > type and they only hit me for $2200 for my -55.
> >
> > BTW, you'll LOVE the 55!
> >
> > Scott
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Sarah Tobin
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Monday, 13 March, 2006 11:16
> > Subject: Yak-List: Insurance
> >
> >
> > Okay, not sure what happened with my previous post, but what I said
>was
>
> > that I found the cheapest insurance with Avemco for my Yak 55.
> >
> > I have an ATP and a bunch of hours, but 0 time in type, so they
>hammered
>
> > me for about 2600/year. But they still beat everyone else's quote,
>and
> I
> > bugged everyone!
> >
> > Smash
> >
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req. |
Ron,
I think your shooting the messenger here. The beaurearcrate (sp) that needs to
shot is Jeff...whoever he is! Sounds to me like "Jeff" just reached up the backside
and pulled one out knowing that the poor RPA pilot would not have a clue
at that time! Or he was just the usual beaureacrtatic idiot dazzling one and
all with Bull Shit!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Davis
Sent: 3/15/2006 9:40:40 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req.
Drew,
It is very illustrative that you returned with this advice from the NWOC. There
is no FAR 91.500 and 91.501 has nothing whatsoever to due with the issue of
compensation for display at airshows:
Sec. 91.501 Applicability.
(a) This subpart prescribes operating rules, in addition to those
prescribed in other subparts of this part, governing the operation of
large airplanes of U.S. registry, turbojet-powered multiengine civil
airplanes of U.S. registry, and fractional ownership program aircraft...
Was it a good party at least? Were all of the other technical issues handled with
smoke and mirrors too? You, and the feeble-minded bureaucrats in DC, need
to figure out that there are a few of us who know how to read. You go to a high
level summit with the ruling class and return with this crap! Was this boondoggle
at the expense of the association?
----- Original Message -----
From: Drew Blahnick
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req.
Folks,
I just got back from the National Warbird Operators Conference ('NWOC'), where
we had a FAST National BoD meeting (the RPA makes up one signatory and board seat,
all other warbird organizations who are FAST signatories make up the rest),
which was attended by Jeff Weller from the FAA in Wash DC. I spoke about the
compensation and commercial licensing issue with Jeff, who works in the general
av. and commercial division and is the FAA National Airshow Coordinator.
He is working closely with FAST National on several issues concerning formation
standardization (the national president is Mike Filucci by the way). This
issue of compensation effects every FAST pilot without a commercial ticket, and
effects the RPA (and volunteers who are setting up) RedStars mass formation
teams (see flyredstar.org 'airshow center'). I write the following with the personal
belief that this is strictly a compensation i ssue; the commercial ticket
does not reflect a qualitative differance in avia
tors holding the FAST card, it is, in the end, simply a rule on the books dealing
with commercial services/compensation and thus having an appropriate commercial
rating - and it's my belief it is overly restrictive and has a negative
effect on the ability of FAST, and other approved formation certification bodies,
to support the airshow industry and the general public interest.
The following are his statements in response to my questions:
Q: Where do we find what is defined as compensation or catagories that may not
apply?
A: There are some compensation catagories that do not require a commercial license,
they are quite limited, they can be researched through FAR 91.500 (or) 501.
Q: How do we petition to gain a waiver/exemption/change to this regulation/rule?
A: No easy task, this would have to be taken up with general counsel (FAA legal
dept. chock full of Lawyers) in Washington DC.
Please note that Jeff is close to the puzzle palace and a good source of information,
but we are dealing with compensation issues, we have no idea if the FAA
rule is impacted by IRS regulations/rulings requiring their involvement! I have
no idea, and it shouldn't stop citizens from taking action regardless...
It wasn't a hopeful discussion, however, you have to start somewhere - now, our
current volunteers in the assoc. are loaded up, if someone effected by this ruling
would like to help, here is my suggestion.
1. Research the regulation and rule extensively, the best way to argue the merits
of your position is to have an equal command of that regulation a s the does
the enforcer/interpreter. Jeff mentioned the details could be found in 91.500
or 501 which should be online - warning, I've never met a FSDO who could remember
every regulation, but take a look.
2. In requesting a waiver or rule change, be extremely specific, if its contractually
provided hotel rooms on the dates that FAST pilots performing formation
in waivered airspace and/or replacement of used aviation fuel in the process
of operating a US registered aircraft in waivered airspace during the airshow
or aerial event, then that should be clear, with clear limits; No other form of
compensation in lieu of ....can or will be accepted...you get the idea.
3. Author a letter to the FAST National Board of Directors through the RPA that
professionally lays out the issues and requests/proposed action (#2). The RPA
is an equal signatory to FAST National and a member of the Board and the letter
can be p resented to all other board members for consideration and endorsement
- the idea being if their membership is negatively effected, we want the
endorsement of the entire FAST formation community that serves the US Airshow
Industry. If this had even a snowballs chance in hell, in my opinion it has even
less if it just shows up as a request from 60 pilots who fly imported eastern
block aircraft.
4. A waiver package/request for rule change (don't ask for more than they can give,
a waiver is an FAA word, a rule change is probably not in their vocabulary)
with the letter then heads to the FAA (General Counsel, Airshow Coordinator
and other parties in the FAA).
Of course, thats just presenting the issue and solution with some backing and in
a format the Legal Department (and other parties) would at least be pressed
to read/review - no doubt, someone would need to face to face or via phon e meeting
emphasize the numbers of professionally FAST trained-qualified pilots, and
airshows, negatively effected by the current regulation/ruling and the merits
of such a waiver/rule change suggestion, etc.
These steps are just a suggestion, and I did not address this to the static displays.
I suspect someone has a very differant view on approaching the subject,
if you would like to contact the FAA in DC that's certainly your right;here's
the address:
800 Independance Ave. S.W.
Washington DC 20591
Hope this helps,
Drew
Drew Blahnick
President
RedStar Pilots Association
Time: 07:26:57 PM PST US
From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: compensation issue, my second last try.
The exemption is for passengers to share expenses. IMHO the FAA is on
shaky legal
ground as far as compensation for static display. You don't need any
license
to own a plane and all of the FARs on commercial operations refer to
carrying
passengers or cargo for hire or a flight for hire (delivering a plane,
towing
a glider, etc).
Museums charge people to look at their planes. Does the person selling
the tickets
have commercial license? Does the guy who owns the museum? It started
out
to be a policy of not giving fuel to Private pilots who flew in the
show and
spiraled out of control to include sandwiches.
Sadly, my opinion doesn't count. You need to find a judge that feels
this way.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Craft
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:05 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: compensation issue, my second last try.
I think I am missing something here. Isn't there an exemption for
"sharing expenses"?
How they can think that a sandwich and some gas is compensation is
beyond me. What do the airshow organizers put on your W-1099 form?
Three sandwiches,
two cokes, one room with a queen bed, thirty gallons of gas, use of one
lawn chair with shade, etc. Heck if the FAA is taking it that far, why
isn't
free admittance to an airshow compensation? Uh Oh, I probably shouldn't
have
typed that out loud. Did the FAA get into the airshow for free? Well
along
that line of reason, couldn't that be construed as accepting a bribe?
. Could
a properly informed administrator reverse the interpretation of the
regs?
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All,
I may be purchasing a CJ-6A in the next few days and would like some advice
on how to file with my local FSDO. I know there has to be a program letter,
but don=92t know the best way to write it. Any advice would be greatly
appreciated.
Regards,
Jim Bowerman
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There you are...Life's always better with air under your ass!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
Sent: 3/15/2006 11:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure if you are joking or not, but THANKS...you made me laugh! I was
about to start throwing stuff thru windows just to make myself feel better, but
then I thought about the cost of replacing the windows and upon further consideration,
I realized I would pay at least twice the amount as anyone else on
the list for the same windows, so I decided to just suck it up and fly! :)
Smash
Ron Davis <L39parts@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can give you some valuable advice here that comes from the experience of a personal
tragedy in my own family: Use a GAS oven.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I did go to TJ but it was *after* getting the crappy quotes from other people.
(Falcon/AOPA/Avemco). He couldn't do any better than Avemco. I used the existing
N # and went thru the previous owners insurance (Falcon) expecting a decent
quote, perhaps a bit higher due to my 0 time in type, but wasn't expecting
double what he was paying!
Okay, I think I am goin g to go stick my head in an oven now...you guys are killing
me! How did I get the big screw? UGH
Smash
Scott Kirk <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk"
I have a Yak-55 and am insured thru Tom Johnson's agency as he is quite
familiar with the Yaks and own a Yak-50. Try TomJohnson@cox.net and see if
he can help, his websi te link is below. My policy is in the $1500 range if
memory serves. Last year it was $1700 with no time in type! If you've
checked several insurance companies within a short period its quite likely
you've been locked out of getting a better quote (unless you've used an
artificial N number).
www.airpowerinsurance.com
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: Sar ah Tobin
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I sure did try them, tried them first and they wanted 3200 bucks.
Apparently females are higher risk these days. This was all in the last
month, so I don't know if they just went up, but you guys are making me
think I am getting the big screw job here.
Smash
Scott Poehlmann wrote:
Did you try Falcon? I'm a CPL with about 1500 hours, but 0 in
type and they only hit me for $2200 for my -55.
BTW, you'll LOVE the 55!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
Sent: Monday, 13 March, 2006 11:16
Subject: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure what happened with my previous post, but what I said was
that I found the cheapest insurance with Avemco for my Yak 55.
I have a n ATP and a bunch of hours, but 0 time in type, so they hammered
me for about 2600/year. But they still beat everyone else's quote, and I
bugged everyone!
Smash
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| Subject: | Airshow Compensation and comm lic req. |
Ron,
Please secure your happiness, Drew went to the meetings on our behalf,
asked questions on our behalf of a FAA guy, and returned with the answer
that the FAA guy gave him. If you want to point out that you think we got
bad information, and Drew should follow back up for us, that might be a good
use of our collective time. I am sure that is what you meant, not the
simple minded bashing that it seemed to be.
With that said, Drew - maybe we could get some clarification from your
contacts there?
David
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req.
Drew,
It is very illustrative that you returned with this advice from the NWOC.
There is no FAR 91.500 and 91.501 has nothing whatsoever to due with the
issue of compensation for display at airshows:
Sec. 91.501 Applicability.
(a) This subpart prescribes operating rules, in addition to those
prescribed in other subparts of this part, governing the operation of
large airplanes of U.S. registry, turbojet-powered multiengine civil
airplanes of U.S. registry, and fractional ownership program aircraft...
Was it a good party at least? Were all of the other technical issues
handled with smoke and mirrors too? You, and the feeble-minded bureaucrats
in DC, need to figure out that there are a few of us who know how to read.
You go to a high level summit with the ruling class and return with this
crap! Was this boondoggle at the expense of the association?
----- Original Message -----
From: Drew <mailto:lacloudchaser@yahoo.com> Blahnick
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req.
Folks,
I just got back from the National Warbird Operators Conference ('NWOC'),
where we had a FAST National BoD meeting (the RPA makes up one signatory and
board seat, all other warbird organizations who are FAST signatories make up
the rest), which was attended by Jeff Weller from the FAA in Wash DC. I
spoke about the compensation and commercial licensing issue with Jeff, who
works in the general av. and commercial division and is the FAA National
Airshow Coordinator. He is working closely with FAST National on several
issues concerning formation standardization (the national president is Mike
Filucci by the way). This issue of compensation effects every FAST pilot
without a commercial ticket, and effects the RPA (and volunteers who are
setting up) RedStars mass formation teams (see flyredstar.org 'airshow
center'). I write the following with the personal belief that this is
strictly a compensation i ssue; the commercial ticket does not reflect a
qualitative differance in aviators holding the FAST card, it is, in the end,
simply a rule on the books dealing with commercial services/compensation and
thus having an appropriate commercial rating - and it's my belief it is
overly restrictive and has a negative effect on the ability of FAST, and
other approved formation certification bodies, to support the airshow
industry and the general public interest.
The following are his statements in response to my questions:
Q: Where do we find what is defined as compensation or catagories that may
not apply?
A: There are some compensation catagories that do not require a commercial
license, they are quite limited, they can be researched through FAR 91.500
(or) 501.
Q: How do we petition to gain a waiver/exemption/change to this
regulation/rule?
A: No easy task, this would have to be taken up with general counsel (FAA
legal dept. chock full of Lawyers) in Washington DC.
Please note that Jeff is close to the puzzle palace and a good source of
information, but we are dealing with compensation issues, we have no idea if
the FAA rule is impacted by IRS regulations/rulings requiring their
involvement! I have no idea, and it shouldn't stop citizens from taking
action regardless...
It wasn't a hopeful discussion, however, you have to start somewhere - now,
our current volunteers in the assoc. are loaded up, if someone effected by
this ruling would like to help, here is my suggestion.
1. Research the regulation and rule extensively, the best way to argue the
merits of your position is to have an equal command of that regulation a s
the does the enforcer/interpreter. Jeff mentioned the details could be found
in 91.500 or 501 which should be online - warning, I've never met a FSDO who
could remember every regulation, but take a look.
2. In requesting a waiver or rule change, be extremely specific, if its
contractually provided hotel rooms on the dates that FAST pilots performing
formation in waivered airspace and/or replacement of used aviation fuel in
the process of operating a US registered aircraft in waivered airspace
during the airshow or aerial event, then that should be clear, with clear
limits; No other form of compensation in lieu of ....can or will be
accepted...you get the idea.
3. Author a letter to the FAST National Board of Directors through the RPA
that professionally lays out the issues and requests/proposed action (#2).
The RPA is an equal signatory to FAST National and a member of the Board and
the letter can be p resented to all other board members for consideration
and endorsement - the idea being if their membership is negatively effected,
we want the endorsement of the entire FAST formation community that serves
the US Airshow Industry. If this had even a snowballs chance in hell, in my
opinion it has even less if it just shows up as a request from 60 pilots who
fly imported eastern block aircraft.
4. A waiver package/request for rule change (don't ask for more than they
can give, a waiver is an FAA word, a rule change is probably not in their
vocabulary) with the letter then heads to the FAA (General Counsel, Airshow
Coordinator and other parties in the FAA).
Of course, thats just presenting the issue and solution with some backing
and in a format the Legal Department (and other parties) would at least be
pressed to read/review - no doubt, someone would need to face to face or via
phon e meeting emphasize the numbers of professionally FAST
trained-qualified pilots, and airshows, negatively effected by the current
regulation/ruling and the merits of such a waiver/rule change suggestion,
etc.
These steps are just a suggestion, and I did not address this to the static
displays. I suspect someone has a very differant view on approaching the
subject, if you would like to contact the FAA in DC that's certainly your
right;here's the address:
800 Independance Ave. S.W.
Washington DC 20591
Hope this helps,
Drew
Drew Blahnick
President
RedStar Pilots Association
Time: 07:26:57 PM PST US
From: "Ron Davis" <
<http://us.f301.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=L39parts@hotmail.com&YY=71416&o
rder=down&sort=date&pos=0> L39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: compensation issue, my second last try.
The exemption is for passengers to share expenses. IMHO the FAA is on
shaky legal
ground as far as compensation for static display. You don't need any
license
to own a plane and all of the FARs on commercial operations refer to
carrying
passengers or cargo for hire or a flight for hire (delivering a plane,
towing
a glider, etc).
Museums charge people to look at their planes. Does the person selling
the tickets
have commercial license? Does the guy who owns the museum? It started
out
to be a policy of not giving fuel to Private pilots who flew in the
show and
spiraled out of control to include sandwiches.
Sadly, my opinion doesn't count. You need to find a judge that feels
this way.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Craft
To:
<http://us.f301.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=yak-list@matronics.com&YY=71416
&order=down&sort=date&pos=0> yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:05 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: compensation issue, my second last try.
I think I am missing something here. Isn't there an exemption for
"sharing expenses"?
How they can think that a sandwich and some gas is compensation is
beyond me. What do the airshow organizers put on your W-1099 form?
Three sandwiches,
two cokes, one room with a queen bed, thirty gallons of gas, use of one
lawn chair with shade, etc. Heck if the FAA is taking it that far, why
isn't
free admittance to an airshow compensation? Uh Oh, I probably shouldn't
have
typed that out loud. Did the FAA get into the airshow for free? Well
along
that line of reason, couldn't that be construed as accepting a bribe?
. Could
a properly informed administrator reverse the interpretation of the
regs?
Yak-List Digest Server <yak-list-digest@matronics.com> wrote:
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"I realized I would pay at least twice the amount as anyone else on the list
for the same windows, so I decided to just suck it up and fly! :)"
Ok, that comment made me laugh, and I will buy you a beer for the good
attitude! Some people drink, some people eat chocolate.. we burn fuel.. :-)
David
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
There you are...Life's always better with air under your ass!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah <mailto:aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com> Tobin
Sent: 3/15/2006 11:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure if you are joking or not, but THANKS...you made me laugh! I
was about to start throwing stuff thru windows just to make myself feel
better, but then I thought about the cost of replacing the windows and upon
further consideration, I realized I would pay at least twice the amount as
anyone else on the list for the same windows, so I decided to just suck it
up and fly! :)
Smash
Ron Davis <L39parts@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can give you some valuable advice here that comes from the experience of a
personal tragedy in my own family: Use a GAS oven.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah <mailto:aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com> Tobin
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I did go to TJ but it was *after* getting the crappy quotes from other
people. (Falcon/AOPA/Avemco). He couldn't do any better than Avemco. I
used the existing N # and went thru the previous owners insurance (Falcon)
expecting a decent quote, perhaps a bit higher due to my 0 time in type, but
wasn't expecting double what he was paying!
Okay, I think I am goin g to go stick my head in an oven now...you guys are
killing me! How did I get the big screw? UGH
Smash
Scott Kirk <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk"
I have a Yak-55 and am insured thru Tom Johnson's agency as he is quite
familiar with the Yaks and own a Yak-50. Try TomJohnson@cox.net and see if
he can help, his websi te link is below. My policy is in the $1500 range if
memory serves. Last year it was $1700 with no time in type! If you've
checked several insurance companies within a short period its quite likely
you've been locked out of getting a better quote (unless you've used an
artificial N number).
www.airpowerinsurance.com
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: Sar ah Tobin
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I sure did try them, tried them f irst and they wanted 3200 bucks.
Apparently females are higher risk these days. This was all in the last
month, so I don't know if they just went up, but you guys are making me
think I am getting the big screw job here.
Smash
Scott Poehlmann wrote:
Did you try Falcon? I'm a CPL with about 1500 hours, but 0 in
type and they only hit me for $2200 for my -55.
BTW, you'll LOVE the 55!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
Sent: Monday, 13 March, 2006 11:16
Subject: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure what happened with my previous post, but what I said was
that I found the cheapest insurance with Avemco for my Yak 55.
I have a n ATP and a bunch of hours, but 0 time in type, so they hammered
me for about 2600/year. But they still beat everyone else's quote, and I
bugged everyone!
Smash
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Design Bureau Decals |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Cliff,
We are new age now...It's EU. They are kicking the Green Backs but with
that one too!
Exactly what decals are you looking for? If you have a digital of what you
want I know how to get them made. Talk to Phil Waldman at Aviation
Graphics. His number is 863-644-2451.
Doc
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> From: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 3/15/2006 10:20:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak Design Bureau Decals
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> Tim,
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> payment should be made in Russian Rubles or Greenbacks . What is time
> frame ? Thanks for taking on this project. BTW, how big will the
> decals be?
>
> CLIFF
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| Subject: | Airshow Compensation and comm lic req. |
Drew and all those interested in the compensation issue,
As you all know, this matter is of great interest to me and mis-information
or incorrect facts only serves to make both the effort and myself appear
amateurish.
I find it hard to believe that even with our differences Drew would attempt
to feed me bad info. But that being said I do believe we all deserve a
clarification.
Drew referred to a Jeff Weller of the DC FAA, does anyone out there have his
email address?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:26 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req.
Ron,
Please secure your happiness, Drew went to the meetings on our behalf,
asked questions on our behalf of a FAA guy, and returned with the answer
that the FAA guy gave him. If you want to point out that you think we got
bad information, and Drew should follow back up for us, that might be a good
use of our collective time. I am sure that is what you meant, not the
simple minded bashing that it seemed to be.
With that said, Drew - maybe we could get some clarification from your
contacts there?
David
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:30 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req.
Drew,
It is very illustrative that you returned with this advice from the NWOC.
There is no FAR 91.500 and 91.501 has nothing whatsoever to due with the
issue of compensation for display at airshows:
Sec. 91.501 Applicability.
(a) This subpart prescribes operating rules, in addition to those
prescribed in other subparts of this part, governing the operation of
large airplanes of U.S. registry, turbojet-powered multiengine civil
airplanes of U.S. registry, and fractional ownership program aircraft...
Was it a good party at least? Were all of the other technical issues
handled with smoke and mirrors too? You, and the feeble-minded bureaucrats
in DC, need to figure out that there are a few of us who know how to read.
You go to a high level summit with the ruling class and return with this
crap! Was this boondoggle at the expense of the association?
----- Original Message -----
From: Drew Blahnick
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:03 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req.
Folks,
I just got back from the National Warbird Operators Conference ('NWOC'),
where we had a FAST National BoD meeting (the RPA makes up one signatory and
board seat, all other warbird organizations who are FAST signatories make up
the rest), which was attended by Jeff Weller from the FAA in Wash DC. I
spoke about the compensation and commercial licensing issue with Jeff, who
works in the general av. and commercial division and is the FAA National
Airshow Coordinator. He is working closely with FAST National on several
issues concerning formation standardization (the national president is Mike
Filucci by the way). This issue of compensation effects every FAST pilot
without a commercial ticket, and effects the RPA (and volunteers who are
setting up) RedStars mass formation teams (see flyredstar.org 'airshow
center'). I write the following with the personal belief that this is
strictly a compensation i ssue; the commercial ticket does not reflect a
qualitative differance in aviators holding the FAST card, it is, in the end,
simply a rule on the books dealing with commercial services/compensation and
thus having an appropriate commercial rating - and it's my belief it is
overly restrictive and has a negative effect on the ability of FAST, and
other approved formation certification bodies, to support the airshow
industry and the general public interest.
The following are his statements in response to my questions:
Q: Where do we find what is defined as compensation or catagories that
may not apply?
A: There are some compensation catagories that do not require a
commercial license, they are quite limited, they can be researched through
FAR 91.500 (or) 501.
Q: How do we petition to gain a waiver/exemption/change to this
regulation/rule?
A: No easy task, this would have to be taken up with general counsel
(FAA legal dept. chock full of Lawyers) in Washington DC.
Please note that Jeff is close to the puzzle palace and a good source of
information, but we are dealing with compensation issues, we have no idea if
the FAA rule is impacted by IRS regulations/rulings requiring their
involvement! I have no idea, and it shouldn't stop citizens from taking
action regardless...
It wasn't a hopeful discussion, however, you have to start somewhere -
now, our current volunteers in the assoc. are loaded up, if someone effected
by this ruling would like to help, here is my suggestion.
1. Research the regulation and rule extensively, the best way to argue
the merits of your position is to have an equal command of that regulation a
s the does the enforcer/interpreter. Jeff mentioned the details could be
found in 91.500 or 501 which should be online - warning, I've never met a
FSDO who could remember every regulation, but take a look.
2. In requesting a waiver or rule change, be extremely specific, if its
contractually provided hotel rooms on the dates that FAST pilots performing
formation in waivered airspace and/or replacement of used aviation fuel in
the process of operating a US registered aircraft in waivered airspace
during the airshow or aerial event, then that should be clear, with clear
limits; No other form of compensation in lieu of ....can or will be
accepted...you get the idea.
3. Author a letter to the FAST National Board of Directors through the
RPA that professionally lays out the issues and requests/proposed action
(#2). The RPA is an equal signatory to FAST National and a member of the
Board and the letter can be p resented to all other board members for
consideration and endorsement - the idea being if their membership is
negatively effected, we want the endorsement of the entire FAST formation
community that serves the US Airshow Industry. If this had even a snowballs
chance in hell, in my opinion it has even less if it just shows up as a
request from 60 pilots who fly imported eastern block aircraft.
4. A waiver package/request for rule change (don't ask for more than
they can give, a waiver is an FAA word, a rule change is probably not in
their vocabulary) with the letter then heads to the FAA (General Counsel,
Airshow Coordinator and other parties in the FAA).
Of course, thats just presenting the issue and solution with some
backing and in a format the Legal Department (and other parties) would at
least be pressed to read/review - no doubt, someone would need to face to
face or via phon e meeting emphasize the numbers of professionally FAST
trained-qualified pilots, and airshows, negatively effected by the current
regulation/ruling and the merits of such a waiver/rule change suggestion,
etc.
These steps are just a suggestion, and I did not address this to the
static displays. I suspect someone has a very differant view on approaching
the subject, if you would like to contact the FAA in DC that's certainly
your right;here's the address:
800 Independance Ave. S.W.
Washington DC 20591
Hope this helps,
Drew
Drew Blahnick
President
RedStar Pilots Association
Time: 07:26:57 PM PST US
From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: compensation issue, my second last try.
The exemption is for passengers to share expenses. IMHO the FAA is on
shaky legal
ground as far as compensation for static display. You don't need any
license
to own a plane and all of the FARs on commercial operations refer to
carrying
passengers or cargo for hire or a flight for hire (delivering a plane,
towing
a glider, etc).
Museums charge people to look at their planes. Does the person selling
the tickets
have commercial license? Does the guy who owns the museum? It started
out
to be a policy of not giving fuel to Private pilots who flew in the
show and
spiraled out of control to include sandwiches.
Sadly, my opinion doesn't count. You need to find a judge that feels
this way.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Craft
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:05 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: compensation issue, my second last try.
I think I am missing something here. Isn't there an exemption for
"sharing expenses"?
How they can think that a sandwich and some gas is compensation is
beyond me. What do the airshow organizers put on your W-1099 form?
Three sandwiches,
two cokes, one room with a queen bed, thirty gallons of gas, use of one
lawn chair with shade, etc. Heck if the FAA is taking it that far, why
isn't
free admittance to an airshow compensation? Uh Oh, I probably shouldn't
have
typed that out loud. Did the FAA get into the airshow for free? Well
along
that line of reason, couldn't that be construed as accepting a bribe?
. Could
a properly informed administrator reverse the interpretation of the
regs?
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Not a chocolate kinda guy..so fly then a beer works for me!
Smash too.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: David McGirt
Sent: 3/16/2006 10:36:24 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Insurance
I realized I would pay at least twice the amount as anyone else on the list for
the same windows, so I decided to just suck it up and fly! :)
Ok, that comment made me laugh, and I will buy you a beer for the good attitude!
Some people drink, some people eat chocolate.. we burn fuel.. J
David
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
There you are...Life's always better with air under your ass!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
Sent: 3/15/2006 11:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure if you are joking or not, but THANKS...you made me laugh! I was
about to start throwing stuff thru windows just to make myself feel better, but
then I thought about the cost of replacing the windows and upon further consideration,
I realized I would pay at least twice the amount as anyone else on
the list for the same windows, so I decided to just suck it up and fly! :)
Smash
Ron Davis <L39parts@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can give you some valuable advice here that comes from the experience of a personal
tragedy in my own family: Use a GAS oven.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I did go to TJ but it was *after* getting the crappy quotes from other people.
(Falcon/AOPA/Avemco). He couldn't do any better than Avemco. I used the existing
N # and went thru the previous owners insurance (Falcon) expecting a decent
quote, perhaps a bit higher due to my 0 time in type, but wasn't expecting
double what he was paying!
Okay, I think I am goin g to go stick my head in an oven now...you guys are killing
me! How did I get the big screw? UGH
Smash
Scott Kirk <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk"
I have a Yak-55 and am insured thru Tom Johnson's agency as he is quite
familiar with the Yaks and own a Yak-50. Try TomJohnson@cox.net and see if
he can help, his websi te link is below. My policy is in the $1500 range if
memory serves. Last year it was $1700 with no time in type! If you've
checked several insurance companies within a short period its quite likely
you've been locked out of getting a better quote (unless you've used an
artificial N number).
www.airpowerinsurance.com
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: Sar ah Tobin
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I sure did try them, tried them f irst and they wanted 3200 bucks.
Apparently females are higher risk these days. This was all in the last
month, so I don't know if they just went up, but you guys are making me
think I am getting the big screw job here.
Smash
Scott Poehlmann wrote:
Did you try Falcon? I'm a CPL with about 1500 hours, but 0 in
type and they only hit me for $2200 for my -55.
BTW, you'll LOVE the 55!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
Sent: Monday, 13 March, 2006 11:16
Subject: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure what happened with my previous post, but what I said was
that I found the cheapest insurance with Avemco for my Yak 55.
I have a n ATP and a bunch of hours, but 0 time in type, so they hammered
me for about 2600/year. But they still beat everyone else's quote, and I
bugged everyone!
Smash
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Jim,
If you contact me off list I will forward a cc of mine to you. www.flyredstar.com also has copy of one on it too.
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Bowerman
Sent: 3/16/2006 9:46:36 AM
Subject: Yak-List: New purchase
All,
I may be purchasing a CJ-6A in the next few days and would like some advice on
how to file with my local FSDO. I know there has to be a program letter, but
dont know the best way to write it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Jim Bowerman
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| Subject: | Re: Airshow Compensation and comm lic req. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
This is from Drew's post:
" 1. Research the regulation and rule extensively, the best way to argue the merits
of your position is to have an equal command of that regulation a s the does
the enforcer/interpreter. Jeff mentioned the details could be found in 91.500
or 501 which should be online - warning, I've never met a FSDO who could remember
every regulation, but take a look. "
Seems like he included a pretty clear disclaimer in there. He said to research
it and understand it. You did, you do and it doesn't apply. Big deal.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22158#22158
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Is it okay if I drink beer and burn fuel as long as I don't do it in that order?
Smash
David McGirt <david@mcgirt.net> wrote:
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } I realized I would pay
at least twice the amount as anyone else on the list for the same windows, so
I decided to just suck it up and fly! :)
Ok, that comment made me laugh, and I will buy you a beer for the good attitude!
Some people drink, some people eat chocolate.. we burn fuel.. J
David
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
There you are...Life's always better with air under your ass!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 3/15/2006 11:10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure if you are joking or not, but THANKS...you made me laugh! I
was about to start throwing stuff thru windows just to make myself feel better,
but then I thought about the cost of replacing the windows and upon further
consideration, I realized I would pay at least twice the amount as anyone else
on the list for the same windows, so I decided to just suck it up and fly!
:)
Smash
Ron Davis <L39parts@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can give you some valuable advice here that comes from the experience of
a personal tragedy in my own family: Use a GAS oven.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I did go to TJ but it was *after* getting the crappy quotes from other people.
(Falcon/AOPA/Avemco). He couldn't do any better than Avemco. I used the
existing N # and went thru the previous owners insurance (Falcon) expecting a
decent quote, perhaps a bit higher due to my 0 time in type, but wasn't expecting
double what he was paying!
Okay, I think I am goin g to go stick my head in an oven now...you guys are
killing me! How did I get the big screw? UGH
Smash
Scott Kirk <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk"
I have a Yak-55 and am insured thru Tom Johnson's agency as he is quite
familiar with the Yaks and own a Yak-50. Try TomJohnson@cox.net and see if
he can help, his websi te link is below. My policy is in the $1500 range if
memory serves. Last year it was $1700 with no time in type! If you've
checked several insurance companies within a short period its quite likely
you've been locked out of getting a better quote (unless you've used an
artificial N number).
www.airpowerinsurance.com
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: Sar ah Tobin
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
I sure did try them, tried them f irst and they wanted 3200 bucks.
Apparently females are higher risk these days. This was all in the last
month, so I don't know if they just went up, but you guys are making me
think I am getting the big screw job here.
Smash
Scott Poehlmann wrote:
Did you try Falcon? I'm a CPL with about 1500 hours, but 0 in
type and they only hit me for $2200 for my -55.
BTW, you'll LOVE the 55!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
Sent: Monday, 13 March, 2006 11:16
Subject: Yak-List: Insurance
Okay, not sure what happened with my previous post, but what I said was
that I found the cheapest insurance with Avemco for my Yak 55.
I have a n ATP and a bunch of hours, but 0 time in type, so they hammered
me for about 2600/year. But they still beat everyone else's quote, and I
bugged everyone!
Smash
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Sarah Tobin wrote:
> Is it okay if I drink beer and burn fuel as long as I don't do it in
> that order?
Well, that certainly works better than drinking fuel and burning beer.
OTOH, if we can get our airplanes to burn ethanol we can kill two birds
with one stone.
Brian
brian-yak@lloyd.com
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance - It pays to shop around |
When you want to compare apples to apples, hull value, liability limits and
deductibles can make a big difference in quotes. .
Ira Saligman
<mailto:isaligman@saligman.com> isaligman@saligman.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bill Walker" <bwalker11@charter.net>
Speaking of drinking fuel-
I heard that Pappy and Payne got stuck going back south after OSH in a small
dry community and did just that. The next morning Payne's cell phone
awakened him with Pappy on the other end. "Payne, are you up? Have you
farted yet?" "Uhhh...." repiled Payne as Pappy interupted- "Well don't!"
"I'm in Phoenix."
strickley hear say-
"Wild Bill"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Insurance
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Sarah Tobin wrote:
>> Is it okay if I drink beer and burn fuel as long as I don't do it in that
>> order?
>
> Well, that certainly works better than drinking fuel and burning beer.
>
> OTOH, if we can get our airplanes to burn ethanol we can kill two birds
> with one stone.
>
> Brian
> brian-yak@lloyd.com
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Speaking of drinking fuel-
I heard that Pappy and Payne got stuck going back south after OSH in a small
dry community and did just that. The next morning Payne's cell phone
awakened him with Pappy on the other end. "Payne, are you up? Have you
farted yet?" "Uhhh...." repiled Payne as Pappy interupted- "Well don't!"
"I'm in Phoenix."
strickley hear say-
"Wild Bill"
Actually it was Payne who was in Phoenix. I don't fart in the bed.
Actually I don't fart. My digestive system is 100% effective in removing all
combustibles from food products I ingest, and turning it into total body energy.
IOW = perfection.
Pappy
PS. Actually just got back from DE. The TICO airshow was OK. The crowd
looked the same as last year. The show was better. The first day the Airboss
had a terrible time getting the briefing started because the waver was a
total mess. Warbird participation was about the same but the airforce showed
up
with a demo F-15, F-16 and the Texan 2. They had a "Heritage Flight" with
the 15/16 & a P-51. Plus the F-104 guy did his "now you see me, now you
don't" act and an F-86 did some neat stuff. Missed Dick Foot in the Wildcat for
the first time. We had 5 CJs and 2 Yaks show up. I was not able to be in the
Sunday show but there were plenty of T-6, T-28s and L birds.
For those who know the "dirty" laundry about the VAC and I'll not go into it
here, but the biggest problem was led off in hand cuff (I KID YOU NOT TROOPS
!!!) the week before. The BoD than voted her right out. Details I DO NOT
KNOW but things are a changing big time at the VAC.
I leave to fly the B-24 for 10 days tomorrow. Pray for me.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "John W. Hilterman Jr." <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
1984 Yak-50 For Sale
TTAF 365, M14P TTSN 303, dynamically balanced MTV-9-29 TTSN 142.
Skytronics alternator, ADC oil filter, intake manifold drain kit, cockpit
"snot" valve, new US hoses on engine/landing gear/brakes, hobbs meter, US
paint and fabric, new LP Aero glass all around, round wingtips with
nav/strobes, landing light, new McFarlane elevator/rudder cables, custom
built baggage compartment, tail FOD barrier, Comant combo VHF/GPS antenna,
Garmin GPS-196 hard wired, Aux fuel tank with quantity gauge, US altimeter
and airspeed with Knots and KPH, UMA interior lighting, smoke system, Hooker
harness, 2 Russian tool kits, US A/C manuals, custom canopy cover, Softie
seatpack parachute included. You won't find a nicer Yak-50 for sale.
References on the quality of this aircraft available. Contact John
Hilterman: Home 405-285-6717 Cell 405-826-1725
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> */I leave to fly the B-24 for 10 days tomorrow. Pray for me. /*
Actually, I think I'll pray for the B-24. ;-)
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Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
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I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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