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1. 07:16 AM - Re: Using a CJ or Yak for Instruction (Ron Davis)
2. 10:57 AM - Re: New purchase (forrest johnson)
3. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs (forrest johnson)
4. 11:43 AM - Yak Plug Blowout (yakbird)
5. 12:44 PM - Columbus, GA Airshow update (David McGirt)
6. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 02:42 PM - Re: New purchase (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 04:42 PM - Re: New purchase (Scooter)
10. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: New purchase (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 05:36 PM - Re: New Purchase (A. Dennis Savarese)
12. 05:54 PM - Re: New purchase (forrest johnson)
13. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: gear problems (forrest johnson)
14. 06:06 PM - Re: New purchase (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 06:13 PM - Re: Re: gear problems (Terry Lewis)
16. 06:36 PM - CJ for sale (Kelley Monroe)
17. 07:43 PM - Re: New purchase (Scooter)
18. 08:33 PM - Columbus Airshow (Jay Land)
19. 09:33 PM - Re: Re: New purchase (Brian Lloyd)
20. 10:31 PM - Airshow compensation (Drew Blahnick)
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| Subject: | Re: Using a CJ or Yak for Instruction |
Brian,
Why don't you call Barry and ask who's insuring his L-39 flying clubs at Chino
and Deer Valley?
http://www.sharedsquadrons.com/site.html
Brian Lloyd wrote:
I am quite interested in this topic as well. My problem is that I am
deathly afraid of asking anything of the FAA that might involve their
use of the word "no" as, once that word has been uttered, it is
virtually impossible to get them to use the word "yes" WRT the same topic.
So, how *does* one manage to use a CJ6A or Yak-52 for aerobatic training?
BTW, I looked in the idea of creating a club but was shot down on the
insurance front if there are more than 4 people in the "club".
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: New purchase |
BE CAREFUL WITH THE FSDO! Check the air worthiness certificate and log books for
original issue date. If the airplane is pre-moritorium they might tell you
that a new AWC will have to be issued. If this happens the airplane will have
to be operated under the newer rules. There is incorrect. There is an owner here
in the DFW area this happened to and he is having hell getting it steaightened
out.The original AWS is good regardless how many people have owned it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:27 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New purchase
Jim,
If you contact me off list I will forward a cc of mine to you. www.flyredstar.com also has copy of one on it too.
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Bowerman
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 3/16/2006 9:46:36 AM
Subject: Yak-List: New purchase
All,
I may be purchasing a CJ-6A in the next few days and would like some advice
on how to file with my local FSDO. I know there has to be a program letter,
but don't know the best way to write it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Jim Bowerman
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| Subject: | Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs |
Craig: Please send complete info on your conversion.Send off list,or on for every
body to see. Thanks
"FLUSH"
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs
Conversion works fine for Huosai engines too. Same plug wire lengths, interchangeable
distributor cap and rotor, etc on the Rusky and Chinese engines. Dennis
ships the Champion plugs but Delco R44F and NGK BR5H work just as well. These
are motorcyle racing plugs intended for air cooled engines operating at higher
temps and many more RPM.
You can roll your own by ordering either the 8mm Taylor wire or the 8mm Magnecor
wire in bulk. Assemble with 90 degree elbows and trim the distributor end
of wire insulation to fit into the dist. cap. It ain't science, but a good workmanship
installation is still required.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Yak Plug Blowout |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "yakbird" <tim@stokegoldingairfield.co.uk>
Russian spark plugs don't always 'blow-out' when they fail....
This is what happens when combustion gasses work up the inside of the ceramic core.
The housing is steel.
Then when this happens to be a plug on a lower cylinder...at the front...the molten
metal and burning gasses find their way right into the air box.
First the engine quits as it is now being fed with burning gas at several hundred
degrees C, then the cockpit fills with smoke as the ignition harnesses burn
away and then the air box starts to melt. You don't yet know this however.
You look out for a suitable field and realise that you are at 1500 ft, in the UK,
in January, with a layer of snow everywhere and no discernible fields.
You start to wish you had taken up painting as a hobby.
At about this time your Fairy Godmother (who has been sitting patiently on your
shoulder waiting for just this kind of situation) reminds you of the location
of a big GA field just a few miles away with Fire and Rescue and ATC, it's your
only chance.
At the same time the engine coughs and splutters and you have the foresight to
pull the prop fine to unload the engine which now hovers perilously near to quitting
again but seems to be just able to provide enough power maintain your altitude...
occasionally.
You open the canopy one notch as the smoke is making it difficult to see let alone
breath. You know this is only likely to increase the airflow to any potential
fire but decide that breathing is quite important and as your instrument rating
is expired you need to be able to see outside.
For the next five minutes (200 years????) you imagine you hear and feel every missing
cylinder, which is obviously the precursor to complete engine disintegration,
when suddenly the airfield comes into sight.
For the next three minutes (120 years??) you can only imagine that your airspeed
is zero as the airfield just won't get any nearer, then suddenly you are over
the threshold.
You make the best landing of your aviating history (that must be the trick), thank
the Fire Crew and go an have cup of tea.
So, there it is, not always a big bang to let you know what has happened. [Wink]
--------
The only time you have too much fuel on board is when you are on fire
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22660#22660
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/spark_plug_blowout_876.jpg
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| Subject: | Columbus, GA Airshow update |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
Here are a few quick pictures from the weekend...
http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/03-18-06_RedStar-Columbus-GA/
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| Subject: | Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs |
FWIW, the Champion automotive spark plugs shipped with the conversion kit are used
on small, air cooled engines intended to be operated at high RPM. If I'm
not mistaken, after Craig purchased the kit from me he decided to experiment with
a different plug(s). He posted his results on the yak-list and if I'm correct
indicated there was no difference in the operation or performance.
The conversion kit was tested on a Sukhoi for over a year and as you know, typical
Sukhoi drivers operate at basically two speeds, taxi and WOT. As of this
writing, some of the Sukhoi aerobatic pilots on the US aerobatic team have converted
and are still using the same plugs shipped with the kit. You can purchase
$4 two massive electrode or $5 four massive electrode replacement plugs manufactured
by Bosch, but I seriously doubt you will see any difference in performance
or operation on a Yak 52 or CJ6 running an M14P and that includes the
400 HP versions as well.
I have complete kits in stock if anyone is interested and you can read about them on my web site, www.yak-52.com.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: forrest johnson
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs
Craig: Please send complete info on your conversion.Send off list,or on for every
body to see. Thanks
"FLUSH"
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs
Conversion works fine for Huosai engines too. Same plug wire lengths, interchangeable
distributor cap and rotor, etc on the Rusky and Chinese engines. Dennis
ships the Champion plugs but Delco R44F and NGK BR5H work just as well. These
are motorcyle racing plugs intended for air cooled engines operating at higher
temps and many more RPM.
You can roll your own by ordering either the 8mm Taylor wire or the 8mm Magnecor
wire in bulk. Assemble with 90 degree elbows and trim the distributor end
of wire insulation to fit into the dist. cap. It ain't science, but a good workmanship
installation is still required.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: New purchase |
<The original AWS is good regardless how many people have owned it.> That is true
provided it is a premoratorium aircraft. If it is a post moratorium aircraft,
the airworthiness certificate is reissued when the airplane is sold or is
moved to a different home base airport as listed in the aircraft's Operating
Limitations because the OL's and AWC are married together. Unfortunately, a FSDO
can choose to rewrite the OL's based on the current regulations/FAA Order
covering the operation of the aircraft.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: forrest johnson
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New purchase
BE CAREFUL WITH THE FSDO! Check the air worthiness certificate and log books
for original issue date. If the airplane is pre-moritorium they might tell you
that a new AWC will have to be issued. If this happens the airplane will have
to be operated under the newer rules. There is incorrect. There is an owner
here in the DFW area this happened to and he is having hell getting it steaightened
out.The original AWS is good regardless how many people have owned it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:27 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New purchase
Jim,
If you contact me off list I will forward a cc of mine to you. www.flyredstar.com also has copy of one on it too.
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Bowerman
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 3/16/2006 9:46:36 AM
Subject: Yak-List: New purchase
All,
I may be purchasing a CJ-6A in the next few days and would like some advice
on how to file with my local FSDO. I know there has to be a program letter,
but don't know the best way to write it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Jim Bowerman
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| Subject: | Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs |
FWIW, the Champion automotive spark plugs shipped with the conversion kit are used
on small, air cooled engines intended to be operated at high RPM. If I'm
not mistaken, after Craig purchased the kit from me he decided to experiment with
a different plug(s). He posted his results on the yak-list and if I'm correct
indicated there was no difference in the operation or performance.
The conversion kit was tested on a Sukhoi for over a year and as you know, typical
Sukhoi drivers operate at basically two speeds, taxi and WOT. As of this
writing, some of the Sukhoi aerobatic pilots on the US aerobatic team have converted
and are still using the same plugs shipped with the kit. You can purchase
$4 two massive electrode or $5 four massive electrode replacement plugs manufactured
by Bosch, but I seriously doubt you will see any difference in performance
or operation on a Yak 52 or CJ6 running an M14P and that includes the
400 HP versions as well.
I have complete kits in stock if anyone is interested and you can read about them on my web site, www.yak-52.com.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: forrest johnson
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs
Craig: Please send complete info on your conversion.Send off list,or on for every
body to see. Thanks
"FLUSH"
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs
Conversion works fine for Huosai engines too. Same plug wire lengths, interchangeable
distributor cap and rotor, etc on the Rusky and Chinese engines. Dennis
ships the Champion plugs but Delco R44F and NGK BR5H work just as well. These
are motorcyle racing plugs intended for air cooled engines operating at higher
temps and many more RPM.
You can roll your own by ordering either the 8mm Taylor wire or the 8mm Magnecor
wire in bulk. Assemble with 90 degree elbows and trim the distributor end
of wire insulation to fit into the dist. cap. It ain't science, but a good workmanship
installation is still required.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: New purchase |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
You might also need a ferry permit to get it to your new home base. I had to do
this and neglected to get a mechanic's sign-off and caught some flack from my
local fsdo. Why did I need a mechanic's sign-off? Because it was on the ferry
permit form (I guess).
My local fsdo "helped" me rewrite the airworthiness certificate and operating limitations.
They also gave me crap about my airspeed indicator being in KPH (which
apparently are not "English" - per the regulations). Hmm...
My advice when dealing with the fsdo on this: smile, nod your head, don't volunteer
any information and try not to strangle anyone.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22721#22721
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| Subject: | Re: New purchase |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Scooter,
You have definitely got it figured out! These FSDO guys sometimes don't
have a clue as to how or what to do. With regards to having to get a ferry
permit, maybe it's true that an A&P has to sign one off. A ferry permit is
issued to ferry an aircraft from point A to point B when it is by definition
"unairworthy". ie: out of annual etc? Not to relocate an airplane to
another home base airport. FWIW, See part 21.197
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/REGULATORY_AND_GUIDANCE_LIBRARY/RGFAR.NSF/0/A86F3EF7C96B5C46862570EC0077E295?OpenDocument.
I'm sure your airplane was in annual.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:40 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: New purchase
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
>
> You might also need a ferry permit to get it to your new home base. I had
> to do this and neglected to get a mechanic's sign-off and caught some
> flack from my local fsdo. Why did I need a mechanic's sign-off? Because
> it was on the ferry permit form (I guess).
>
> My local fsdo "helped" me rewrite the airworthiness certificate and
> operating limitations. They also gave me crap about my airspeed indicator
> being in KPH (which apparently are not "English" - per the regulations).
> Hmm...
>
> My advice when dealing with the fsdo on this: smile, nod your head, don't
> volunteer any information and try not to strangle anyone.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22721#22721
>
>
>
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| Subject: | re: New Purchase |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Scooter,
You have definitely got it figured out! These FSDO guys sometimes don't
have a clue as to how or what to do. With regards to having to get a ferry
permit, maybe it's true that an A&P has to sign one off. A ferry permit is
issued to ferry an aircraft from point A to point B when it is by definition
"unairworthy". ie: out of annual etc? Not to relocate an airplane to
another home base airport. FWIW, See part 21.197
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/REGULATORY_AND_GUIDANCE_LIBRARY/RGFAR.NSF/0/A86F3EF7C96B5C46862570EC0077E295?OpenDocument.
I'm sure your airplane was in annual.
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: New purchase |
The airplane in the DFW area was orig. certificated and registered in 1991- pre-moritorium.
Some previous owner allowed the FSDO to issue new AWC and OL's not
realizing this was incorrect. Probably can't be undone , but trying. This plane
was owned by BARRY HANCOCK . Any info or history would be helpful. I will
pass on to owner.----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New purchase
<The original AWS is good regardless how many people have owned it.> That is
true provided it is a premoratorium aircraft. If it is a post moratorium aircraft,
the airworthiness certificate is reissued when the airplane is sold or
is moved to a different home base airport as listed in the aircraft's Operating
Limitations because the OL's and AWC are married together. Unfortunately, a
FSDO can choose to rewrite the OL's based on the current regulations/FAA Order
covering the operation of the aircraft.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: forrest johnson
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New purchase
BE CAREFUL WITH THE FSDO! Check the air worthiness certificate and log books
for original issue date. If the airplane is pre-moritorium they might tell
you that a new AWC will have to be issued. If this happens the airplane will have
to be operated under the newer rules. There is incorrect. There is an owner
here in the DFW area this happened to and he is having hell getting it steaightened
out.The original AWS is good regardless how many people have owned it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:27 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New purchase
Jim,
If you contact me off list I will forward a cc of mine to you. www.flyredstar.com also has copy of one on it too.
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Bowerman
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 3/16/2006 9:46:36 AM
Subject: Yak-List: New purchase
All,
I may be purchasing a CJ-6A in the next few days and would like some advice
on how to file with my local FSDO. I know there has to be a program letter,
but don't know the best way to write it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Jim Bowerman
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| Subject: | Re: gear problems |
Where did you get the restrictors? If you made them please forward directions .
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:28 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: gear problems
Terry,
Perhaps it was a bit of dirt/goop/whatever....or you just bled that line down
for now. I put new restrictors in the gear lines; at BOTH ends, actuators and
valves. However I sized the holes at .040" to reduce the chance of small pieces
of grit clogging a line. Also put one on the handle side of the up lines.
No more "Wham" down into lock , just a slow, orderly transit to the lock position
and then a "snick" as all lock at the same time. OTOH, the nose still seems
to lag on the gear up swing.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: New purchase |
I seriously doubt there is anything that can be done to put it back as a premoratorium
aircraft. You may want to talk with the EAA/Warbirds of America government
affairs group. Explain the situation and get their advice. It's probably
too late though.
The key is a FSDO can choose to rewrite the OL's based on current regulations/FAA
Order 8130.2x. That's tough to challenge and win.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: forrest johnson
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New purchase
The airplane in the DFW area was orig. certificated and registered in 1991- pre-moritorium.
Some previous owner allowed the FSDO to issue new AWC and OL's
not realizing this was incorrect. Probably can't be undone , but trying. This
plane was owned by BARRY HANCOCK . Any info or history would be helpful. I will
pass on to owner.----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New purchase
<The original AWS is good regardless how many people have owned it.> That
is true provided it is a premoratorium aircraft. If it is a post moratorium aircraft,
the airworthiness certificate is reissued when the airplane is sold or
is moved to a different home base airport as listed in the aircraft's Operating
Limitations because the OL's and AWC are married together. Unfortunately,
a FSDO can choose to rewrite the OL's based on the current regulations/FAA Order
covering the operation of the aircraft.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: forrest johnson
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New purchase
BE CAREFUL WITH THE FSDO! Check the air worthiness certificate and log books
for original issue date. If the airplane is pre-moritorium they might tell
you that a new AWC will have to be issued. If this happens the airplane will
have to be operated under the newer rules. There is incorrect. There is an owner
here in the DFW area this happened to and he is having hell getting it steaightened
out.The original AWS is good regardless how many people have owned it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:27 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: New purchase
Jim,
If you contact me off list I will forward a cc of mine to you. www.flyredstar.com also has copy of one on it too.
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Bowerman
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 3/16/2006 9:46:36 AM
Subject: Yak-List: New purchase
All,
I may be purchasing a CJ-6A in the next few days and would like some
advice on how to file with my local FSDO. I know there has to be a program letter,
but don't know the best way to write it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Jim Bowerman
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| Subject: | Re: gear problems |
Doug Sapp has the restrictors and about any thing else you need for a CJ.
Terry Lewis
----- Original Message -----
From: forrest johnson
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: gear problems
Where did you get the restrictors? If you made them please forward directions
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:28 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: gear problems
Terry,
Perhaps it was a bit of dirt/goop/whatever....or you just bled that line down
for now. I put new restrictors in the gear lines; at BOTH ends, actuators and
valves. However I sized the holes at .040" to reduce the chance of small pieces
of grit clogging a line. Also put one on the handle side of the up lines.
No more "Wham" down into lock , just a slow, orderly transit to the lock position
and then a "snick" as all lock at the same time. OTOH, the nose still seems
to lag on the gear up swing.
Craig Payne
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I just complete my 4th CJ project. It took about 1500 hours and $30,000 in parts,
from a low time engine, oh prop, new radios and so on. If interested see ad
on barnstromers.com or contact me off list at kelmonroe@comcast.net. Thanks
Kelley
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| Subject: | Re: New purchase |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
I don't recall now why I needed the ferry permit. Must have been because the airworthiness
certificate was no longer considered valid (because I was buying
the airplane and moving it away from its home base). I contacted the fsdo where
the aircraft was based and my local fsdo. Seems like my local fsdo thought
i needed the ferry permit but the other fsdo didn't. But I can't recall now.
It's a hell of a thing to sit there in your fsdo guys office and have him tell
you that you just busted the regs. Then after you've exhausted your arguments
to no avail he tells you that he just wants to point that out for your benefit.
Your balls are in his hands and its a real helpless feeling.
dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co wrote:
> Scooter,
> You have definitely got it figured out! These FSDO guys sometimes don't
> have a clue as to how or what to do. With regards to having to get a ---
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=22766#22766
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| Subject: | Columbus Airshow |
Here=B9s some footage from the Columbus Airshow this weekend. We had 10 guys
on Sat and 6 for today. The weather held off.
http://www.digitalhangar.com/~leapylad/Videos/CSG%20Formation.mov
Requires Quicktime.
Jay Land
CJ6
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| Subject: | Re: New purchase |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Scooter wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
>
> I don't recall now why I needed the ferry permit. Must have been because the
airworthiness certificate was no longer considered valid (because I was buying
the airplane and moving it away from its home base).
No, there was no need to do anything besides have the previous owner
send a FAX to the local FSDO saying that the bird was flying to your new
home.
Most of the problems crop up when people start trying to analyze and
second-guess the rules and regs. And the guys at the FAA probably
understand those rules no better than you do.
Sure you need to change the AC and the LOL *when* *you* *change* *the*
*aircraft's* *home* *base*. But when you buy the aircraft and fly it
home, its home base is still its old home base and the AC and existing
LOL are still valid. Changing the registration does not invalidate the
AC and LOL unless the existing LOL says that it does. I have never seen
an LOL that does but am prepared to be enlightened.
So why do you want to change the LOL and AC? Because you want to be able
to fly the airplane for proficiency within the 300nm radius of your
airport AND the airplane is going to reside withing the jurisdiction of
the new FSDO. But until you do that, you send a fax to the old FSDO and
then fly away. The airplane is flying to its new home temporarily and
the old FSDO is still the authoritative office. No ferry permit needed.
So, fly it to its new home and then go visit the new FSDO with the old
AC and LOL in hand. Carry your new program letter with you. If you make
an appointment ahead of time you should be out of there in about 15 minutes.
> I contacted the fsdo where the aircraft was based and my local fsdo. Seems like
my local fsdo thought i needed the ferry permit but the other fsdo didn't.
That is because you made the mistake of asking the question. Remember,
if you ask a question be prepared to be instructed that you may not do
what you want to do. The most restrictive answer is also the safest for
the FAA employee answering your question.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Airshow compensation |
Again, Ron should read my original email - word for word -
and I quote that original email:
1. Research the regulation and rule extensively, the best way to
argue the merits of your position is to have an equal command of that regulation
a s the does the enforcer/interpreter. Jeff mentioned the details could be
found in 91.500 or 501 which should be online - warning, I've never met a FSDO
who could remember every regulation, but take a look.
Perhaps I needed to make that point more clear: A Government employee (Jeff)
quoted a regulation and sounded unsure of himself, and I am suggesting, if you
are passionate about this issue to research the regulations/rules governing
this issue yourself...and in the last part of this paragraph I warn the reader
that I do not trust FSDO/FAA employees to quote the correct regulations off hand
(hint, I've had more than one meeting with FSDOs in SOCAL over restricting
our aircraft operations and have experienced this confusion over where to find
their own answers, that is not a dig on FSDOs; the sheer number of regulations
and other publications churned out by the FAA is beyond imagination)
I have not looked up his regulation quotes and leave that up to those folks who
are taking a personal interest in this issue.
Hope that covers this,
Drew
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