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1. 03:56 AM - test message (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:11 AM - Re: Sun&Fun (Bill Mills)
3. 05:12 AM - Re: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax (Valkyre1)
4. 05:22 AM - Re: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMax (Valkyre1)
5. 05:31 AM - Re: Really severe cross wind. (Valkyre1)
6. 05:37 AM - Sun&Fun (Drew Blahnick)
7. 06:13 AM - Re: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMax (Roger Kemp)
8. 06:56 AM - Re: Spring and Oshkosh (Herb Coussons)
9. 07:37 AM - Re: Spring and Oshkosh (Fraser, Gus)
10. 07:45 AM - Cockpit Insulation Blanket? (c44588)
11. 08:19 AM - Re: Sun&Fun (cjpilot710@aol.com)
12. 10:48 AM - Re: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMax (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
13. 12:10 PM - Punta Gorda Fla. Airshow. (MajorGoofinoff@aol.com)
14. 03:17 PM - Re: Max X-wind (DaBear)
15. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: [INFO]ACM possible issues (Sarah Tobin)
16. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: [INFO]ACM possible issues (Sarah Tobin)
17. 08:29 PM - Re: Cockpit Insulation Blanket? (Tim Gagnon)
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test message
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-2141 (office)
334-546-8182 (cell)
www.yak-52.com
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OUTSTANDING! Thanx Doug!
Bill Mills
Regional Sales Manager
Total Tec Systems
South East US
386 447 1118
bill.mills@totaltec.com <mailto:bill.mills@totaltec.com>
" Because I fly.... I envy no man "
_____
From: doug sapp [mailto:rvfltd@televar.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun
Bill,
Drove the upper left hand exhaust piece to the airport myself. Shipped via
Fed Ex priority overnight. Sure wish I could be there too, give my best to
all. Tracking number is 805162194516
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Mills
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun
Hey Jim,
Thanx for the offer of Saturday. It turns out that the stainless wont be
here in time, so Doug Sapp is sending me just that one piece, and I can get
that on no problem myself.
See you next week
Bill Mills
Regional Sales Manager
Total Tec Systems
South East US
386 447 1118
bill.mills@totaltec.com <mailto:bill.mills@totaltec.com>
" Because I fly.... I envy no man "
_____
From: cjpilot710@aol.com [mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Sun&Fun
Troops,
Still out with bombers but should head home tomorrow.
Just talked to Wayne Boggs who will the airboss at S&F. They are planning a
mass warbird arrival (like at OSH) on Tuesday (April 4th around 1400L) for
that part of the airshow. This is the very first I've heard of it.
What I know at this point is that the NATA guys are planning to come up from
thier formation clinic down in Seabring to the show. Since the RPA members
elected not to stay at Zeferhills this year and instead stay at LAL that
precludes us from arriving in mass to the show.
However I'd like to plan the following. All those participating in the show
be at Zeferhills as early as possible on Tuesday morning. There we can plan
we can a mass formation for a fly over and arrival back into LAL as part of
the warbird part of the show. That will be the only part of the show that
day, the arrival.
The rest of the show days will be flown from LAL.
My cell phone is 386-559-1943.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:23:20 -0600
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind?To: yak-list@matronics.com
Shack! Two's off dry!
Doc
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Sent: 3/30/2006 10:24:38 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind?To: yak-list@matronics.com
Thanks Blitz. That sounds about right for less tail surface but I expect to
hear from Brian with the "real-deal" soon as you said. -Val
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:
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<em><span
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Total=20Tec=20Systems<font
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:
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color=3Dnavy>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>386=20447=201118<font
color=3Dnavy>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
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<span
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<em><span
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:<font=20size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>=20doug=20sapp
[mailto:rvfltd@televar.com]
Sent:=20Thursday,=20March=2030,=202006
6:05=20PM
To:=20<st1:PersonName=20w:st=3D"on">yak-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName>
Subject:=20RE:=20Yak-List:=20SunFun
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Bill,
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Drove=20the=20upper=20left=20hand=20exhaust=20piece=20to
the=20airport=20myself.=20Shipped=20via=20Fed=20Ex=20priority=20overnight.=20Sure
wish=20I=20could=20be=20there=20too,=20give=20my=20best=20to=20all.=20Tracking=20number=20is
805162194516
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
color:blue'>Always=20Yakin,
Doug=20Sapp<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>
<blockquote=20style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p=20class=3DMsoNormal=20style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original=20Message-----
From:
owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On
Behalf=20Of=20Bill=20Mills
Sent:=20Thursday,=20March=2030,=202006
12:51=20PM
To:=20<st1:PersonName=20w:st=3D"on">yak-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName>
Subject:=20RE:=20Yak-List:=20SunFun
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hey=20Jim,
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Thanx=20for=20the=20offer=20of=20Saturday.=20It
turns=20out=20that=20the=20stainless=20wont=20be=20here=20in=20time,=20so=20Doug=20Sapp=20is=20sending=20me
just=20that=20one=20piece,=20and=20I=20can=20get=20that=20on=20no=20problem=20myself.
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>See=20you=20next=20week
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>
<em><span
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regional=20Sales=20Manager<font
color=3Dnavy>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Total=20Tec=20Systems<font
color=3Dnavy>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>South=20<st1:place=20w:st=3D"on">East=20US</st1:place><font
color=3Dnavy>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>386=20447=201118<font
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>bill.mills@totaltec.com<font
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<span
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<em><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Stencil;color:black'>=20Because=20I
fly....=20I=20envy=20no=20man=20</em><em><font=20size=3D2
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<font=20size=3D3
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:<font=20size=3D2
face=3DTahoma><span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
cjpilot710@aol.com=20[mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com]
Sent:=20Thursday,=20March=2030,=202006
1:54=20PM
To:=20<st1:PersonName=20w:st=3D"on">yak-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName>
Subject:=20Yak-List:=20SunFun
<span=20style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Troops,
<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Still=20out=20with=20bombers=20but=20should=20head=20home=20<span
class=3Dcorrection>tomorrow.
<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Just=20talked=20to=20Wayne=20<span
id=3D"">Boggs=20who=20will=20the=20<span
id=3D"">airboss=20at=20SF.=20They=20are=20planning=20a=20<font
face=3DVerdana>mass=20<span
id=3D""><span=20style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>warbird<span
style=3D'font-family:Verdana'>=20arrival=20(like=20at=20<span
id=3D""><st1:place=20w:st=3D"on"><st1:City=20w:st=3D"on"><span
=20=20class=3Dcorrection>OSH</st1:City></st1:place>)=20on=20Tuesday
(April=204th=20around=201400L)for=20that=20part=20of=20the=20<span
id=3D"">airshow.=20This=20is=20the=20very=20first
I've=20heard=20of=20it.
<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>What=20I=20know=20at=20this=20point=20is=20that=20the=20<span
class=3Dcorrection>NATA=20guys=20are
planning=20to=20come=20upfrom=20thier
formation=20clinic=20down=20in=20Seabring
to=20the=20show.=20Since=20the=20RPA
members=20elected=20not=20to=20stay=20at
Zeferhills
this=20year=20and=20instead=20stay=20at=20LAL
that=20precludes=20us=20from=20arriving=20in=20mass=20to=20the=20show.
<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>
<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>However=20I'd=20like=20to=20plan=20the=20following.=20All=20those=20<span
class=3Dcorrection>participating=20in=20the=20show=20be=20at=20<span
class=3Dcorrection>Zeferhills=20as
early=20as=20possible=20on=20Tuesday=20morning.
There=20we=20can=20plan=20we=20can=20a=20mass=20formation=20for=20a=20fly=20over=20and=20arrival=20back=20into=20<span
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the=20warbird
part=20of=20the=20show.=20That=20will=20be=20the=20only=20part=20of=20the=20show=20that=20day,=20the
arrival.
<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<span=20style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20Roger=20Kemp=20viperdoc@mindspring.com
To:=20<st1:PersonName=20w:st=3D"on">yak-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName>
Sent:=20Thu,=2030=20Mar=202006=2012:23:20=20-0600
Subject:=20Re:=20Yak-List:=20Re:=20Yak-List:=20Max=20X-wind?To:=20<st1:PersonName=20w:st=3D"on">yak-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName>
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| Subject: | Re: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax |
Thanks Gus, we've got plenty of X-winds up here at 4227' in the SLC mountains.
Turbulence to spare too, so I'm glad to hear about the stability. - Val
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X-windMax
Doc, Navy guys never land in a crosswind, they just change the direction of the
runway. ;-) - V
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| Subject: | Re: Really severe cross wind. |
Well now I'm really curious to see whatever happened to 'ol "what's his name" but
I can't bring up this web page. Any other address for it (off the list?) -
Val
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Airshow junkies,
Anyone an expert on FAA 8700 CH 49 on flying in waivered airspace, I mean you
have a current copy of such - we have a document for training members that needs
someone to ops check. Short, just another set of eyes to make sure its technically
accurate and it's clear.
Email off list, thanks
Drew
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| Subject: | Re: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax |
X-windMax
Yep, Your are absolutely correct! So that's why I was watching an F-18 skiding
along in 35 kt guts the other day at MGM! He has to have just come from the boat!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Valkyre1
Sent: 3/31/2006 7:27:33 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax
X-windMax
Doc, Navy guys never land in a crosswind, they just change the direction of the
runway. ;-) - V
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| Subject: | Re: Spring and Oshkosh |
Yes - Initiated waiver request with MKE FSDO. Same box, same waiver
as last year so I expect FSDO to not have any questions.
...but you never count on them, right?
Herb
On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Fraser, Gus wrote:
> Herb will there be a box ?
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:57 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spring and Oshkosh
>
> Also we are working on OSH / MTW plans now. There will continue to
> be more RPA visability in the warbird area. Maybe some evening
> events combined with the MTW crowd.
>
> Look for details coming
>
> Herb
>
>
> On Mar 30, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Fraser, Gus wrote:
>
>> It is Spring time, plans for Sun'NFun are all made and underway.
>> This time of year a young mans fancy turns to competition and
>> Oshkosh. Those of you with non-military types, ie aerobatic, any
>> of you planning on flying your beasts to Osh this year ? I am
>> going to take the SP. Last year I parked in the IAC parking which
>> they will do if you book early. Last year I was the only Russian
>> plane in there. There were some S12s but my bird got kinda lonely
>> as nobody else spoke Russian :))
>>
>> So, how about it Rick, smash et al.
>>
>> If a group of us go we could plan on spending a day at Manitowoc
>> with our G challenged brethren.
>>
>> Gus
>>
>
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| Subject: | Spring and Oshkosh |
Excellent stuff Herb, thanks
So aero types how about it comin to Osh ???
Gus
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spring and Oshkosh
Yes - Initiated waiver request with MKE FSDO. Same box, same waiver as last
year so I expect FSDO to not have any questions.
...but you never count on them, right?
Herb
On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Fraser, Gus wrote:
Herb will there be a box ?
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com> ] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spring and Oshkosh
Also we are working on OSH / MTW plans now. There will continue to be more
RPA visability in the warbird area. Maybe some evening events combined with
the MTW crowd.
Look for details coming
Herb
On Mar 30, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Fraser, Gus wrote:
It is Spring time, plans for Sun'NFun are all made and underway. This time
of year a young mans fancy turns to competition and Oshkosh. Those of you
with non-military types, ie aerobatic, any of you planning on flying your
beasts to Osh this year ? I am going to take the SP. Last year I parked in
the IAC parking which they will do if you book early. Last year I was the
only Russian plane in there. There were some S12s but my bird got kinda
lonely as nobody else spoke Russian :))
So, how about it Rick, smash et al.
If a group of us go we could plan on spending a day at Manitowoc with our G
challenged brethren.
Gus
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<FONT face=3DArial
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb
Coussons
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:50 AM
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spring and
Oshkosh
Yes - Initiated waiver request with MKE FSDO. Same box, same
waiver as last year so I expect FSDO to not have any questions.
...but you never count on them, right?
Herb
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On Behalf Of Herb Coussons
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006
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Subject:
Re: Yak-List: Spring and Oshkosh
Also we are working on OSH / MTW plans now. There will
continue to be more RPA visability in the warbird area. Maybe some
evening events combined with the MTW crowd.
Look for details coming
Herb
On Mar 30, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Fraser, Gus wrote:<BR
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Spring time, plans for Sun'NFun are all made and underway. This time of
year a young mans fancy turns to competition and Oshkosh. Those of you
with non-military types, ie aerobatic, any of you planning on flying
your beasts to Osh this year ? I am going to take the SP. Last year I
parked in the IAC parking which they will do if you book early. Last
year I was the only Russian plane in there. There were some S12s but my
bird got kinda lonely as nobody else spoke Russian
:))
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how
about it Rick, smash et al.
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group of us go we could plan on spending a day at Manitowoc with our G
challenged brethren.
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| Subject: | Cockpit Insulation Blanket? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "c44588" <orcaspilot@hotmail.com>
Does anyone have a source for the grey colored cross-hatch blanket padding that
I've seen on the interior walls of several CJ's and Yak 50's?
Better yet, a source of someone who has the measurements for CJ 6 cockpits who
could send it pre-cut?
Thanks for the help.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25564#25564
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Copied.
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mills <bill.mills@totaltec.com>
Sent: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:58:48 -0800
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun
OUTSTANDING! Thanx Doug!
Bill Mills
Regional Sales Manager
Total Tec Systems
South East US
386 447 1118
bill.mills@totaltec.com
" Because I fly.... I envy no man "
From: doug sapp [mailto:rvfltd@televar.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun
Bill,
Drove the upper left hand exhaust piece to the airport myself. Shipped via Fed
Ex priority overnight. Sure wish I could be there too, give my best to all.
Tracking number is 805162194516
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Mills
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun
Hey Jim,
Thanx for the offer of Saturday. It turns out that the stainless wont be here
in time, so Doug Sapp is sending me just that one piece, and I can get that on
no problem myself.
See you next week
Bill Mills
Regional Sales Manager
Total Tec Systems
South East US
386 447 1118
bill.mills@totaltec.com
" Because I fly.... I envy no man "
From: cjpilot710@aol.com [mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Sun&Fun
Troops,
Still out with bombers but should head home tomorrow.
Just talked to Wayne Boggs who will the airboss at S&F. They are planning a mass
warbird arrival (like at OSH) on Tuesday (April 4th around 1400L) for that
part of the airshow. This is the very first I've heard of it.
What I know at this point is that the NATA guys are planning to come up from thier
formation clinic down in Seabring to the show. Since the RPA members elected
not to stay at Zeferhills this year and instead stay at LAL that precludes
us from arriving in mass to the show.
However I'd like to plan the following. All those participating in the show be
at Zeferhills as early as possible on Tuesday morning. There we can plan we
can a mass formation for a fly over and arrival back into LAL as part of the warbird
part of the show. That will be the only part of the show that day, the
arrival.
The rest of the show days will be flown from LAL.
My cell phone is 386-559-1943.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:23:20 -0600
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind?To: yak-list@matronics.com
Shack! Two's off dry!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Valkyre1
Sent: 3/30/2006 10:24:38 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind?To: yak-list@matronics.com
Thanks Blitz. That sounds about right for less tail surface but I expect to hear
from Brian with the "real-deal" soon as you said. -Val
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| Subject: | Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax |
X-windMax
WELL SAID!
On Behalf Of Valkyre1
Doc, Navy guys never land in a crosswind, they just change the direction of
the runway. ;-) - V
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| Subject: | Punta Gorda Fla. Airshow. |
Hey Guys
I am at the Punta Gorda Airshow with my WC-130J. Any Yakkers welcome to
stop by and look me up.
Scott Dufreche.
Yak 52
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--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
I have had the same experience as Dennis. If I recall correctly I
landed with 16-18kts crosswind (90deg off). I still had rudder, but not
much.
DaBear
A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Although the book says 12 knots on the 52, I have made crosswind
> landings with a direct, 90 degree crosswind blowing steadily at
> approximately 16-17 knots and did not run out of rudder.
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* ROBERT SCHWARTZ <mailto:schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind
>
> does the larger rudder mod for Yak 52, allow for a greater
> crosswind component??
>
> Bob Schwartz
> Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net
> <mailto:schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* ByronMFox@aol.com <mailto:ByronMFox@aol.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:11 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind
>
> I'm not sure either, Val. At Gnoss Field, infamous for its
> summer afternoon 90 degree cross, where Dave King, John
> Zecherle and I are based we seem to run out of rudder in our
> CJs around 17 -- 18 knots.
>
> Brian Lloyd will know....... ...Blitz
>
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| Subject: | Re: [INFO]ACM possible issues |
Did I miss something? 60Gs? I am most dearly hoping that you meant 6Gs, cuz....ouch!
:)
Smash
"Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus"
How about this then, from the designers mouth, My SP-91s wing was tested to
60G, at 60G the wing tip only moved 80mm, when the load was removed it
returned to 0 indicating no bending took place. The Russians go overboard on
this. The fact that the Russians use 100% is well known. See the trouble is
that you can tell a Russian pilot what the G limit is but he wont believe
you. See Russian pilots see these limits as more of a... guide line.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: [INFO]ACM possible issues
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon"
-->
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd"
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: [INFO]ACM possible issues
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd
> One good thing about our Eastern Bloc aircraft: they design to a greater
> load margin than do US designers. If the structure is designed to yield at
> 12G and you spec it at 6G, even if you go over a little you still have a
> much greater safety margin than if you do the same to an aircraft designed
> to yield at 9G with a design load factor of 6G. Frankly I am going to feel
> safer in a CJ6A or Yak-52 of unknown background than I am a T-34 or SNJ of
> unknown background. (My opinion. YMMV.)
Brian;
Where did you find that information?
It is certainly not true for the CJ6. Some years ago Joe Howse received the
CJ design limit loads from the Beijing Aeronautical Technology Research
Centre in order to convince Transport Canada that the CJ did indeed meet
aerobatic requirements.
This document deals with limit loads in various flight conditions and only
refers to design ultimate loads with the statement that the structural
safety factor is at least 1.5. This is precisely the same requirement as
Western standards (FAA Part 23).
The turning/rolling limit for the CJ is +3.6 G's, same as our 60% of limit
load.
The CJ is NO different in this area than any Western military trainer of the
1950's era. Having some experience in this area I can tell you that the CJ
structure is not overly impressive, it appears to be quite adequate but I
advise my customers to use a general limit of 4 G's. I do the same with all
old military trainers.
IMHO the T34 wing structure is far stronger BUT fatigue resistance design
was poorly handled.
Walt
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| Subject: | Re: [INFO]ACM possible issues |
Dude, seriously, coming from the ACM, BFM, upsidedown-do-it-f'in-right community.
Nothing dangerous there...more danger in BS formation old-school complacency.
No diggin' just statin' truths. Boys ( and I use that generically) that
know what they are doin' and can keep visual, pull lead, pull trail and understand
about closure rates/angles of intercept, sweet!
I was once told by someone that I had temporaral distortion....think about that
for a moment....the IN ability to tell time...if you want to break it down...no
one thinks they have that problem. Haveyou ever been in an auto accident?
Ever found yourself in a sitation where you know you didn't deserve to be wrong,time
seemed to slow down to nothing? That is tempoal distortion.
Point to be had is: take a reality check and know your limitations. Pre-brief
all form flights, even if they have been done a million times. Pretend there
is a nebie in the group all the time and if not, laugh about the good times
later after a brewskie.
Small Thoughts, from a Little Big Mouth Girl :)
Perception is *your reality*
Smash
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd
DaBear wrote:
> So teach people what rolling G is, the consequences, and how to do ACM
> without rolling G. Sorry Brian, but people (qualified and not yet
> instructed) are doing it today. Hiding behind the illusion that lack of
> ACM training and clinics will prevent someone from doing ACM is in the
> same vein of if we outlaw guns, we will not have any gun crime.
Yo! Bear! Who do you think you are talking to here? You are talking to
the resident extreme libertarian who thinks we should be able to do what
we want to do, damn the torpedoes. I would *never* advocate legislating
against any activity (so long as its practice only affects the person
practicing it). I was just commenting on a possible reason why people
playing fighter jock might be more likely to break their airplanes than
people doing straight-ahead acro.
I -*{AGREE}*- with you. Long live instruction in the things we want to
do! And long live the good sense to do it safely (or not do it as the
case may be).
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
c44588 wrote:
> Does anyone have a source for the grey colored cross-hatch blanket padding that
I've seen on the interior walls of several CJ's and Yak 50's?
>
> Better yet, a source of someone who has the measurements for CJ 6 cockpits who
could send it pre-cut?
>
> Thanks for the help.
I am having some made for my -50 as we speak. If they come back looking good and
you can get me a set of CJ's, I can have this guy make some.
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