---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/31/06: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:56 AM - test message (A. Dennis Savarese) 2. 05:11 AM - Re: Sun&Fun (Bill Mills) 3. 05:12 AM - Re: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax (Valkyre1) 4. 05:22 AM - Re: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMax (Valkyre1) 5. 05:31 AM - Re: Really severe cross wind. (Valkyre1) 6. 05:37 AM - Sun&Fun (Drew Blahnick) 7. 06:13 AM - Re: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMax (Roger Kemp) 8. 06:56 AM - Re: Spring and Oshkosh (Herb Coussons) 9. 07:37 AM - Re: Spring and Oshkosh (Fraser, Gus) 10. 07:45 AM - Cockpit Insulation Blanket? (c44588) 11. 08:19 AM - Re: Sun&Fun (cjpilot710@aol.com) 12. 10:48 AM - Re: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMax (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G) 13. 12:10 PM - Punta Gorda Fla. Airshow. (MajorGoofinoff@aol.com) 14. 03:17 PM - Re: Max X-wind (DaBear) 15. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: [INFO]ACM possible issues (Sarah Tobin) 16. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: [INFO]ACM possible issues (Sarah Tobin) 17. 08:29 PM - Re: Cockpit Insulation Blanket? (Tim Gagnon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:19 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Yak-List: test message --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" test message Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-2141 (office) 334-546-8182 (cell) www.yak-52.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:19 AM PST US From: Bill Mills Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun OUTSTANDING! Thanx Doug! Bill Mills Regional Sales Manager Total Tec Systems South East US 386 447 1118 bill.mills@totaltec.com " Because I fly.... I envy no man " _____ From: doug sapp [mailto:rvfltd@televar.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun Bill, Drove the upper left hand exhaust piece to the airport myself. Shipped via Fed Ex priority overnight. Sure wish I could be there too, give my best to all. Tracking number is 805162194516 Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Mills Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun Hey Jim, Thanx for the offer of Saturday. It turns out that the stainless wont be here in time, so Doug Sapp is sending me just that one piece, and I can get that on no problem myself. See you next week Bill Mills Regional Sales Manager Total Tec Systems South East US 386 447 1118 bill.mills@totaltec.com " Because I fly.... I envy no man " _____ From: cjpilot710@aol.com [mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: Yak-List: Sun&Fun Troops, Still out with bombers but should head home tomorrow. Just talked to Wayne Boggs who will the airboss at S&F. They are planning a mass warbird arrival (like at OSH) on Tuesday (April 4th around 1400L) for that part of the airshow. This is the very first I've heard of it. What I know at this point is that the NATA guys are planning to come up from thier formation clinic down in Seabring to the show. Since the RPA members elected not to stay at Zeferhills this year and instead stay at LAL that precludes us from arriving in mass to the show. However I'd like to plan the following. All those participating in the show be at Zeferhills as early as possible on Tuesday morning. There we can plan we can a mass formation for a fly over and arrival back into LAL as part of the warbird part of the show. That will be the only part of the show that day, the arrival. The rest of the show days will be flown from LAL. My cell phone is 386-559-1943. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: Roger Kemp Sent: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:23:20 -0600 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind?To: yak-list@matronics.com Shack! Two's off dry! Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: Valkyre1 Sent: 3/30/2006 10:24:38 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind?To: yak-list@matronics.com Thanks Blitz. That sounds about right for less tail surface but I expect to hear from Brian with the "real-deal" soon as you said. -Val This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email This e-mail message and any documents accompanying this e-mail transmission contain proprietary information of Bell Microproducts or one or more of its subsidiaries, the contents of which may be legal This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email This e-mail message and any documents accompanying this e-mail transmission contain proprietary information of Bell Microproducts or one or more of its subsidiaries, the contents of which may be legal OUTSTANDING!=20Thanx=20Doug! Bill=20Mills Regional=20Sales=20Manager Total=20Tec=20Systems South=20East=20US 386=20447=201118 bill.mills@totaltec.com =20Because=20I fly....=20I=20envy=20no=20man=20=20 From:=20doug=20sapp [mailto:rvfltd@televar.com] Sent:=20Thursday,=20March=2030,=202006 6:05=20PM To:=20yak-list@matronics.com Subject:=20RE:=20Yak-List:=20SunFun Bill, Drove=20the=20upper=20left=20hand=20exhaust=20piece=20to the=20airport=20myself.=20Shipped=20via=20Fed=20Ex=20priority=20overnight.=20Sure wish=20I=20could=20be=20there=20too,=20give=20my=20best=20to=20all.=20Tracking=20number=20is 805162194516 Always=20Yakin, Doug=20Sapp -----Original=20Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf=20Of=20Bill=20Mills Sent:=20Thursday,=20March=2030,=202006 12:51=20PM To:=20yak-list@matronics.com Subject:=20RE:=20Yak-List:=20SunFun Hey=20Jim, Thanx=20for=20the=20offer=20of=20Saturday.=20It turns=20out=20that=20the=20stainless=20wont=20be=20here=20in=20time,=20so=20Doug=20Sapp=20is=20sending=20me just=20that=20one=20piece,=20and=20I=20can=20get=20that=20on=20no=20problem=20myself. See=20you=20next=20week Bill=20Mills Regional=20Sales=20Manager Total=20Tec=20Systems South=20East=20US 386=20447=201118 bill.mills@totaltec.com =20Because=20I fly....=20I=20envy=20no=20man=20=20 From: cjpilot710@aol.com=20[mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com] Sent:=20Thursday,=20March=2030,=202006 1:54=20PM To:=20yak-list@matronics.com Subject:=20Yak-List:=20SunFun Troops, Still=20out=20with=20bombers=20but=20should=20head=20home=20tomorrow. Just=20talked=20to=20Wayne=20Boggs=20who=20will=20the=20airboss=20at=20SF.=20They=20are=20planning=20a=20mass=20warbird=20arrival=20(like=20at=20OSH)=20on=20Tuesday (April=204th=20around=201400L)for=20that=20part=20of=20the=20airshow.=20This=20is=20the=20very=20first I've=20heard=20of=20it. What=20I=20know=20at=20this=20point=20is=20that=20the=20NATA=20guys=20are planning=20to=20come=20upfrom=20thier formation=20clinic=20down=20in=20Seabring to=20the=20show.=20Since=20the=20RPA members=20elected=20not=20to=20stay=20at Zeferhills this=20year=20and=20instead=20stay=20at=20LAL that=20precludes=20us=20from=20arriving=20in=20mass=20to=20the=20show. However=20I'd=20like=20to=20plan=20the=20following.=20All=20those=20participating=20in=20the=20show=20be=20at=20Zeferhills=20as early=20as=20possible=20on=20Tuesday=20morning. There=20we=20can=20plan=20we=20can=20a=20mass=20formation=20for=20a=20fly=20over=20and=20arrival=20back=20into=20LAL=20as=20part=20of the=20warbird part=20of=20the=20show.=20That=20will=20be=20the=20only=20part=20of=20the=20show=20that=20day,=20the arrival. The=20rest=20of=20the=20show=20days=20will=20be=20flown=20from=20LAL. My=20cell=20phone=20is=20386-559-1943. Jim=20Pappy=20Goolsby -----Original=20Message----- From:=20Roger=20Kemp=20viperdoc@mindspring.com To:=20yak-list@matronics.com Sent:=20Thu,=2030=20Mar=202006=2012:23:20=20-0600 Subject:=20Re:=20Yak-List:=20Re:=20Yak-List:=20Max=20X-wind?To:=20yak-list@matronics.com Shack!=20Two's=20off=20dry! Doc -----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Valkyre1 To:=20yak-list@matronics.com Sent:=203/30/2006=2010:24:38 AM Subject:=20Re:=20Yak-List:=20Re: Yak-List:=20Max=20X-wind?To:=20yak-list@matronics.com Thanks=20Blitz.=20That=20sounds=20about=20right=20for=20less=20tail=20surface but=20I=20expect=20to=20hear=20from=20Brian=20with=20the=20real-deal=20soon=20as=20you said.=20-Val ______________________________________________________________________ This=20email=20has=20been=20scanned=20by=20the=20MessageLabs=20Email=20Security=20System. For=20more=20information=20please=20visit=20http://www.messagelabs.com/email This=20e-mail=20message=20and=20any=20documents=20accompanying=20this=20e-mail=20transmission contain=20proprietary=20information=20of=20Bell=20Microproducts=20or=20one=20or=20more=20of=20its subsidiaries,=20the=20contents=20of=20which=20may=20be=20legal This=20email=20has=20been=20scanned=20by=20the=20MessageLabs=20Email=20Security=20System. For=20more=20information=20please=20visit=20http://www.messagelabs.com/email This=20e-mail=20message=20and=20any=20documents=20accompanying=20this=20e-mail=20transmission=20contain=20proprietary=20information=20of=20Bell=20Microproducts=20or=20one=20or=20more=20of=20its=20subsidiaries,=20the=20contents=20of=20which=20may=20be=20legal ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:14 AM PST US From: "Valkyre1" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax Thanks Gus, we've got plenty of X-winds up here at 4227' in the SLC mountains. Turbulence to spare too, so I'm glad to hear about the stability. - Val ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:22:15 AM PST US From: "Valkyre1" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMax Doc, Navy guys never land in a crosswind, they just change the direction of the runway. ;-) - V ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:46 AM PST US From: "Valkyre1" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Really severe cross wind. Well now I'm really curious to see whatever happened to 'ol "what's his name" but I can't bring up this web page. Any other address for it (off the list?) - Val ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:04 AM PST US From: Drew Blahnick Subject: Yak-List: Sun&Fun Airshow junkies, Anyone an expert on FAA 8700 CH 49 on flying in waivered airspace, I mean you have a current copy of such - we have a document for training members that needs someone to ops check. Short, just another set of eyes to make sure its technically accurate and it's clear. Email off list, thanks Drew --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:05 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMax Yep, Your are absolutely correct! So that's why I was watching an F-18 skiding along in 35 kt guts the other day at MGM! He has to have just come from the boat! Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: Valkyre1 Sent: 3/31/2006 7:27:33 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMax Doc, Navy guys never land in a crosswind, they just change the direction of the runway. ;-) - V ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:46 AM PST US From: Herb Coussons Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spring and Oshkosh Yes - Initiated waiver request with MKE FSDO. Same box, same waiver as last year so I expect FSDO to not have any questions. ...but you never count on them, right? Herb On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Fraser, Gus wrote: > Herb will there be a box ? > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:57 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spring and Oshkosh > > Also we are working on OSH / MTW plans now. There will continue to > be more RPA visability in the warbird area. Maybe some evening > events combined with the MTW crowd. > > Look for details coming > > Herb > > > On Mar 30, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Fraser, Gus wrote: > >> It is Spring time, plans for Sun'NFun are all made and underway. >> This time of year a young mans fancy turns to competition and >> Oshkosh. Those of you with non-military types, ie aerobatic, any >> of you planning on flying your beasts to Osh this year ? I am >> going to take the SP. Last year I parked in the IAC parking which >> they will do if you book early. Last year I was the only Russian >> plane in there. There were some S12s but my bird got kinda lonely >> as nobody else spoke Russian :)) >> >> So, how about it Rick, smash et al. >> >> If a group of us go we could plan on spending a day at Manitowoc >> with our G challenged brethren. >> >> Gus >> > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:05 AM PST US From: "Fraser, Gus" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Spring and Oshkosh Excellent stuff Herb, thanks So aero types how about it comin to Osh ??? Gus _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spring and Oshkosh Yes - Initiated waiver request with MKE FSDO. Same box, same waiver as last year so I expect FSDO to not have any questions. ...but you never count on them, right? Herb On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Fraser, Gus wrote: Herb will there be a box ? _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spring and Oshkosh Also we are working on OSH / MTW plans now. There will continue to be more RPA visability in the warbird area. Maybe some evening events combined with the MTW crowd. Look for details coming Herb On Mar 30, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Fraser, Gus wrote: It is Spring time, plans for Sun'NFun are all made and underway. This time of year a young mans fancy turns to competition and Oshkosh. Those of you with non-military types, ie aerobatic, any of you planning on flying your beasts to Osh this year ? I am going to take the SP. Last year I parked in the IAC parking which they will do if you book early. Last year I was the only Russian plane in there. There were some S12s but my bird got kinda lonely as nobody else spoke Russian :)) So, how about it Rick, smash et al. If a group of us go we could plan on spending a day at Manitowoc with our G challenged brethren. Gus Excellent stuff Herb, thanks So aero types how about it comin to Osh ??? Gus From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 9:50 AM yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spring and Oshkosh Yes - Initiated waiver request with MKE FSDO. Same box, same waiver as last year so I expect FSDO to not have any questions. ...but you never count on them, right? Herb On Mar 30, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Fraser, Gus wrote:
Herb will there be a box ? From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:57 PM ">yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Spring and Oshkosh Also we are working on OSH / MTW plans now. There will continue to be more RPA visability in the warbird area. Maybe some evening events combined with the MTW crowd. Look for details coming Herb On Mar 30, 2006, at 11:13 AM, Fraser, Gus wrote:
It is Spring time, plans for Sun'NFun are all made and underway. This time of year a young mans fancy turns to competition and Oshkosh. Those of you with non-military types, ie aerobatic, any of you planning on flying your beasts to Osh this year ? I am going to take the SP. Last year I parked in the IAC parking which they will do if you book early. Last year I was the only Russian plane in there. There were some S12s but my bird got kinda lonely as nobody else spoke Russian :)) So, how about it Rick, smash et al. If a group of us go we could plan on spending a day at Manitowoc with our G challenged brethren. Gus
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:07 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Cockpit Insulation Blanket? From: "c44588" --> Yak-List message posted by: "c44588" Does anyone have a source for the grey colored cross-hatch blanket padding that I've seen on the interior walls of several CJ's and Yak 50's? Better yet, a source of someone who has the measurements for CJ 6 cockpits who could send it pre-cut? Thanks for the help. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25564#25564 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:08 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sun&Fun Copied. Pappy -----Original Message----- From: Bill Mills Sent: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:58:48 -0800 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun OUTSTANDING! Thanx Doug! Bill Mills Regional Sales Manager Total Tec Systems South East US 386 447 1118 bill.mills@totaltec.com " Because I fly.... I envy no man " From: doug sapp [mailto:rvfltd@televar.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun Bill, Drove the upper left hand exhaust piece to the airport myself. Shipped via Fed Ex priority overnight. Sure wish I could be there too, give my best to all. Tracking number is 805162194516 Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Mills Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sun&Fun Hey Jim, Thanx for the offer of Saturday. It turns out that the stainless wont be here in time, so Doug Sapp is sending me just that one piece, and I can get that on no problem myself. See you next week Bill Mills Regional Sales Manager Total Tec Systems South East US 386 447 1118 bill.mills@totaltec.com " Because I fly.... I envy no man " From: cjpilot710@aol.com [mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: Yak-List: Sun&Fun Troops, Still out with bombers but should head home tomorrow. Just talked to Wayne Boggs who will the airboss at S&F. They are planning a mass warbird arrival (like at OSH) on Tuesday (April 4th around 1400L) for that part of the airshow. This is the very first I've heard of it. What I know at this point is that the NATA guys are planning to come up from thier formation clinic down in Seabring to the show. Since the RPA members elected not to stay at Zeferhills this year and instead stay at LAL that precludes us from arriving in mass to the show. However I'd like to plan the following. All those participating in the show be at Zeferhills as early as possible on Tuesday morning. There we can plan we can a mass formation for a fly over and arrival back into LAL as part of the warbird part of the show. That will be the only part of the show that day, the arrival. The rest of the show days will be flown from LAL. My cell phone is 386-559-1943. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby -----Original Message----- From: Roger Kemp Sent: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:23:20 -0600 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind?To: yak-list@matronics.com Shack! Two's off dry! Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: Valkyre1 Sent: 3/30/2006 10:24:38 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind?To: yak-list@matronics.com Thanks Blitz. That sounds about right for less tail surface but I expect to hear from Brian with the "real-deal" soon as you said. -Val This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email This e-mail message and any documents accompanying this e-mail transmission contain proprietary information of Bell Microproducts or one or more of its subsidiaries, the contents of which may be legal This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email This e-mail message and any documents accompanying this e-mail transmission contain proprietary information of Bell Microproducts or one or more of its subsidiaries, the contents of which may be legal ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:44 AM PST US From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G Subject: RE: Yak-List: Max X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMaxMax X-windMax X-windMax WELL SAID! On Behalf Of Valkyre1 Doc, Navy guys never land in a crosswind, they just change the direction of the runway. ;-) - V ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:35 PM PST US From: MajorGoofinoff@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: Punta Gorda Fla. Airshow. Hey Guys I am at the Punta Gorda Airshow with my WC-130J. Any Yakkers welcome to stop by and look me up. Scott Dufreche. Yak 52 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:29 PM PST US From: DaBear Subject: Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear I have had the same experience as Dennis. If I recall correctly I landed with 16-18kts crosswind (90deg off). I still had rudder, but not much. DaBear A. Dennis Savarese wrote: > Although the book says 12 knots on the 52, I have made crosswind > landings with a direct, 90 degree crosswind blowing steadily at > approximately 16-17 knots and did not run out of rudder. > Dennis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* ROBERT SCHWARTZ > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:32 PM > *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind > > does the larger rudder mod for Yak 52, allow for a greater > crosswind component?? > > Bob Schwartz > Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net > > > This information is intended for the use of individual named > above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking > of any action in reliance on the content of this information is > strictly prohibited. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* ByronMFox@aol.com > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 29, 2006 2:11 PM > *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Max X-wind > > I'm not sure either, Val. At Gnoss Field, infamous for its > summer afternoon 90 degree cross, where Dave King, John > Zecherle and I are based we seem to run out of rudder in our > CJs around 17 -- 18 knots. > > Brian Lloyd will know....... ...Blitz > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:22 PM PST US From: Sarah Tobin Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: [INFO]ACM possible issues Did I miss something? 60Gs? I am most dearly hoping that you meant 6Gs, cuz....ouch! :) Smash "Fraser, Gus" wrote: --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" How about this then, from the designers mouth, My SP-91s wing was tested to 60G, at 60G the wing tip only moved 80mm, when the load was removed it returned to 0 indicating no bending took place. The Russians go overboard on this. The fact that the Russians use 100% is well known. See the trouble is that you can tell a Russian pilot what the G limit is but he wont believe you. See Russian pilots see these limits as more of a... guide line. Gus -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: [INFO]ACM possible issues --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" --> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:44 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: [INFO]ACM possible issues > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd > One good thing about our Eastern Bloc aircraft: they design to a greater > load margin than do US designers. If the structure is designed to yield at > 12G and you spec it at 6G, even if you go over a little you still have a > much greater safety margin than if you do the same to an aircraft designed > to yield at 9G with a design load factor of 6G. Frankly I am going to feel > safer in a CJ6A or Yak-52 of unknown background than I am a T-34 or SNJ of > unknown background. (My opinion. YMMV.) Brian; Where did you find that information? It is certainly not true for the CJ6. Some years ago Joe Howse received the CJ design limit loads from the Beijing Aeronautical Technology Research Centre in order to convince Transport Canada that the CJ did indeed meet aerobatic requirements. This document deals with limit loads in various flight conditions and only refers to design ultimate loads with the statement that the structural safety factor is at least 1.5. This is precisely the same requirement as Western standards (FAA Part 23). The turning/rolling limit for the CJ is +3.6 G's, same as our 60% of limit load. The CJ is NO different in this area than any Western military trainer of the 1950's era. Having some experience in this area I can tell you that the CJ structure is not overly impressive, it appears to be quite adequate but I advise my customers to use a general limit of 4 G's. I do the same with all old military trainers. IMHO the T34 wing structure is far stronger BUT fatigue resistance design was poorly handled. Walt --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:42 PM PST US From: Sarah Tobin Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: [INFO]ACM possible issues Dude, seriously, coming from the ACM, BFM, upsidedown-do-it-f'in-right community. Nothing dangerous there...more danger in BS formation old-school complacency. No diggin' just statin' truths. Boys ( and I use that generically) that know what they are doin' and can keep visual, pull lead, pull trail and understand about closure rates/angles of intercept, sweet! I was once told by someone that I had temporaral distortion....think about that for a moment....the IN ability to tell time...if you want to break it down...no one thinks they have that problem. Haveyou ever been in an auto accident? Ever found yourself in a sitation where you know you didn't deserve to be wrong,time seemed to slow down to nothing? That is tempoal distortion. Point to be had is: take a reality check and know your limitations. Pre-brief all form flights, even if they have been done a million times. Pretend there is a nebie in the group all the time and if not, laugh about the good times later after a brewskie. Small Thoughts, from a Little Big Mouth Girl :) Perception is *your reality* Smash --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd DaBear wrote: > So teach people what rolling G is, the consequences, and how to do ACM > without rolling G. Sorry Brian, but people (qualified and not yet > instructed) are doing it today. Hiding behind the illusion that lack of > ACM training and clinics will prevent someone from doing ACM is in the > same vein of if we outlaw guns, we will not have any gun crime. Yo! Bear! Who do you think you are talking to here? You are talking to the resident extreme libertarian who thinks we should be able to do what we want to do, damn the torpedoes. I would *never* advocate legislating against any activity (so long as its practice only affects the person practicing it). I was just commenting on a possible reason why people playing fighter jock might be more likely to break their airplanes than people doing straight-ahead acro. I -*{AGREE}*- with you. Long live instruction in the things we want to do! And long live the good sense to do it safely (or not do it as the case may be). -- Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupery --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:04 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Cockpit Insulation Blanket? From: "Tim Gagnon" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" c44588 wrote: > Does anyone have a source for the grey colored cross-hatch blanket padding that I've seen on the interior walls of several CJ's and Yak 50's? > > Better yet, a source of someone who has the measurements for CJ 6 cockpits who could send it pre-cut? > > Thanks for the help. I am having some made for my -50 as we speak. If they come back looking good and you can get me a set of CJ's, I can have this guy make some. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=25695#25695