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1. 03:47 AM - SNF Arrival (Craig Payne)
2. 05:30 AM - Re: SNF Arrival (Roger Kemp)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Fraser, Gus)
4. 06:15 AM - CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal (Dave Laird)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Tim Gagnon)
6. 06:45 AM - Re: CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal (Hans Oortman)
7. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Hans Oortman)
9. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Stephen Fox)
10. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Stephen Fox)
12. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (A. Dennis Savarese)
13. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Hans Oortman)
14. 08:01 AM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Fraser, Gus)
15. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (A. Dennis Savarese)
16. 08:26 AM - Re: CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal (doug sapp)
17. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Brian Lloyd)
18. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Hans Oortman)
19. 09:47 AM - Re: CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal (JOE HOWSE)
20. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Hans Oortman)
21. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Roger Kemp)
22. 04:39 PM - Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Tim Gagnon)
23. 05:00 PM - Re: CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal (Craig Payne)
24. 05:06 PM - SNF airshow 1 (Craig Payne)
25. 05:20 PM - Re: SNF airshow 1 (ByronMFox@aol.com)
26. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? (Brian Lloyd)
27. 05:59 PM - Re: CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal (JOE HOWSE)
28. 06:10 PM - Sean Tucker Bailout (Scooter)
29. 06:41 PM - Re: Sean Tucker Bailout (Sarah Tobin)
30. 07:17 PM - Re: SNF airshow 1 (ANDREWS)
31. 08:03 PM - Re: SNF airshow 1 (Roger Kemp)
32. 08:36 PM - Job lead for former USN/USAF fighter pilots (Tim Gagnon)
33. 08:43 PM - SNF (Brian Lloyd)
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About 21 or maybe more RedStar types on the ground already but *someone* assigned
a bare dirt and rocky place for us to park. I wonder why the US warbirds don't
have to park in such places? Perhaps it's just my paranoia? REAL warbirds
arrive today. We get to tag along after we leave to launch from another field
for the mass arrival.
Craig Payne
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Yeeha.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
Sent: 4/4/2006 5:59:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: SNF Arrival
About 21 or maybe more RedStar types on the ground already but *someone* assigned
a bare dirt and rocky place for us to park. I wonder why the US warbirds don't
have to park in such places? Perhaps it's just my paranoia? REAL warbirds
arrive today. We get to tag along after we leave to launch from another field
for the mass arrival.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
When your engine stops throw your keys out because that is your landing spot
:)))
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 5:03 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Is this info even published anywhere? How about the glide ration of the
Yak-52...I need something close to the -50 if I cannot get the -50's info.
Tim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26313#26313
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| Subject: | CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
How does one remove the races in the wheels when replacing bearings?
Is there a special tool or technique? Like some sort of gear puller
with it's teeth on the outside?
Or do I just hammer it out from behind with a brass punch?
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Now, just tell me how I input that into my equation?
I am using a little GPS for my PDA program called Anywhere Map that has a cone
of safety feature. It will tell you if you can make an airport based on your altitude,
speed, winds and glide ratio. I know, aviate, communicate, navigate.
But this program may take care of the last part for me so I can concentrate on
the first two!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26412#26412
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| Subject: | CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
Indeed there is a special tool for that Dave. A gear puller with teeth on
the outside, no kidding...Ask a workshop in a garage they use the same
stuff. If you would be in Holland you could use mine but unfortunately......
Hans
Dutch Yak Pilot
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Dave Laird
Verzonden: dinsdag 4 april 2006 15:06
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Yak-List: CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal
--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
How does one remove the races in the wheels when replacing bearings?
Is there a special tool or technique? Like some sort of gear puller
with it's teeth on the outside?
Or do I just hammer it out from behind with a brass punch?
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Tim,
Glide ratio for the 52 is approximately 5 to 1. Not quite a "brick". The
50 should be somewhat close to that.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:26 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> Now, just tell me how I input that into my equation?
>
> I am using a little GPS for my PDA program called Anywhere Map that has a
> cone of safety feature. It will tell you if you can make an airport based
> on your altitude, speed, winds and glide ratio. I know, aviate,
> communicate, navigate. But this program may take care of the last part for
> me so I can concentrate on the first two!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26412#26412
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
Tim,
It is supposed to be 1:7, i.e. you fall like a rock!
Hans
Dutch Yak Pilot
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Tim Gagnon
Verzonden: dinsdag 4 april 2006 15:27
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Now, just tell me how I input that into my equation?
I am using a little GPS for my PDA program called Anywhere Map that has a
cone of safety feature. It will tell you if you can make an airport based on
your altitude, speed, winds and glide ratio. I know, aviate, communicate,
navigate. But this program may take care of the last part for me so I can
concentrate on the first two!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26412#26412
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
Tim-
From my manual.
Here are approximate gliding distance assuming nil wind, no turns
flaps and gear up.
1,000ft - 1.0 nm
2,000ft - 2.0nm
3,000ft - 3.5nm
4,000ft - 4.5nm
5,000ft - 5,5nm
This works out to between 5 to 1 and 6 to 1. Assuming everything is
perfect, which it never is, so for you calculations you mat want to
think about using 5 to 1 or possible 4.5 to 1 which would give you
margin for winds and error.
Obviously wind strength is going to alter. A 10kt head wind is going
to reduce available distance by 10% and each turn will reduce
distance. A 45% degree 360 degree turn you will loose approx 750ft
On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Tim Gagnon wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> Now, just tell me how I input that into my equation?
>
> I am using a little GPS for my PDA program called Anywhere Map that
> has a cone of safety feature. It will tell you if you can make an
> airport based on your altitude, speed, winds and glide ratio. I
> know, aviate, communicate, navigate. But this program may take care
> of the last part for me so I can concentrate on the first two!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26412#26412
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Thank you Steve. As I said.....approx. 5 to 1
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Fox" <jsfox@adelphia.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
>
> Tim-
>
> From my manual.
> Here are approximate gliding distance assuming nil wind, no turns
> flaps and gear up.
>
> 1,000ft - 1.0 nm
> 2,000ft - 2.0nm
> 3,000ft - 3.5nm
> 4,000ft - 4.5nm
> 5,000ft - 5,5nm
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> This works out to between 5 to 1 and 6 to 1. Assuming everything is
> perfect, which it never is, so for you calculations you mat want to
> think about using 5 to 1 or possible 4.5 to 1 which would give you
> margin for winds and error.
>
> Obviously wind strength is going to alter. A 10kt head wind is going
> to reduce available distance by 10% and each turn will reduce
> distance. A 45% degree 360 degree turn you will loose approx 750ft
> On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Tim Gagnon wrote:
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>> has a cone of safety feature. It will tell you if you can make an
>> airport based on your altitude, speed, winds and glide ratio. I
>> know, aviate, communicate, navigate. But this program may take care
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
On Apr 4, 2006, at 10:02 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> Thank you Steve. As I said.....approx. 5 to 1
> Dennis
Dennis your email and mine crossed, had I seen yours I would have
skipped the wordy explainer :) In fact I would have just shut-up:)
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
Heck, don't do that because your info was quite valuable. Glad you posted it.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Fox
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
On Apr 4, 2006, at 10:02 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
Thank you Steve. As I said.....approx. 5 to 1
Dennis
Dennis your email and mine crossed, had I seen yours I would have skipped the
wordy explainer :) In fact I would have just shut-up:)
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
Dennis,
I learned from Leonas it was 7 to 1 clean....I think the 5/6 to 1 is with
the gear down! I think the manual says 7 to 1 as well...but I could be
wrong, I never had to try it and I hope I never will...
To make sure I would calculate with 1 to 5....
Hans
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
Verzonden: dinsdag 4 april 2006 16:02
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Thank you Steve. As I said.....approx. 5 to 1
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Fox" <jsfox@adelphia.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
>
> Tim-
>
> From my manual.
> Here are approximate gliding distance assuming nil wind, no turns
> flaps and gear up.
>
> 1,000ft - 1.0 nm
> 2,000ft - 2.0nm
> 3,000ft - 3.5nm
> 4,000ft - 4.5nm
> 5,000ft - 5,5nm
>
> This works out to between 5 to 1 and 6 to 1. Assuming everything is
> perfect, which it never is, so for you calculations you mat want to
> think about using 5 to 1 or possible 4.5 to 1 which would give you
> margin for winds and error.
>
> Obviously wind strength is going to alter. A 10kt head wind is going
> to reduce available distance by 10% and each turn will reduce
> distance. A 45% degree 360 degree turn you will loose approx 750ft
> On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Tim Gagnon wrote:
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>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
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>> Now, just tell me how I input that into my equation?
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>> I am using a little GPS for my PDA program called Anywhere Map that
>> has a cone of safety feature. It will tell you if you can make an
>> airport based on your altitude, speed, winds and glide ratio. I
>> know, aviate, communicate, navigate. But this program may take care
>> of the last part for me so I can concentrate on the first two!
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Do bear in mind that the cowl flaps will have an effect. Not sure about
anyone else but I definitely notice when I shut the cowl.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans Oortman
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
Dennis,
I learned from Leonas it was 7 to 1 clean....I think the 5/6 to 1 is with
the gear down! I think the manual says 7 to 1 as well...but I could be
wrong, I never had to try it and I hope I never will...
To make sure I would calculate with 1 to 5....
Hans
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
Verzonden: dinsdag 4 april 2006 16:02
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Thank you Steve. As I said.....approx. 5 to 1 Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Fox" <jsfox@adelphia.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
>
> Tim-
>
> From my manual.
> Here are approximate gliding distance assuming nil wind, no turns
> flaps and gear up.
>
> 1,000ft - 1.0 nm
> 2,000ft - 2.0nm
> 3,000ft - 3.5nm
> 4,000ft - 4.5nm
> 5,000ft - 5,5nm
>
> This works out to between 5 to 1 and 6 to 1. Assuming everything is
> perfect, which it never is, so for you calculations you mat want to
> think about using 5 to 1 or possible 4.5 to 1 which would give you
> margin for winds and error.
>
> Obviously wind strength is going to alter. A 10kt head wind is going
> to reduce available distance by 10% and each turn will reduce
> distance. A 45% degree 360 degree turn you will loose approx 750ft
> On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Tim Gagnon wrote:
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>>
>> Now, just tell me how I input that into my equation?
>>
>> I am using a little GPS for my PDA program called Anywhere Map that
>> has a cone of safety feature. It will tell you if you can make an
>> airport based on your altitude, speed, winds and glide ratio. I
>> know, aviate, communicate, navigate. But this program may take care
>> of the last part for me so I can concentrate on the first two!
>>
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26412#26412
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
A great practice and "implant this in your brain" training flight is to
climb to a comfortable altitude, pull the power back to idle, set up the
airplane for best glide with the undercarriage retracted and perform a 360
degree turn with the intent to lose as little altitude as possible while
maintaining best glide speed and determine how many ft/meters is actually
lost in a 180 and 360 degree turn. Remember, this is being done under ideal
conditions and with no stress on you whatsoever. Once you know how many
ft./meters is lost in the 180 and 360, implant that in your brain forever.
Should you ever need to recall it, you'll know how many ft/meters you'll
need to be above the terrain in an emergency to accomplish a 180 or 360
degree turn.
On the same training flight, you can also test the straight ahead gliding
distance using your GPS. Pull the power to idle, set up best glide speed,
hold heading and best glide airspeed, read your altimeter and when you have
flown 1 mile/kilometer (per the GPS) as configured, read the altimeter.
Continue on to the second mile/kilometer and so on and so on. It doesn't
matter what the book says. It only matters what you can do with your
airplane. If it's 5 to 1 or 6 to 1 or 4.5 to 1, it doesn't mean diddly
squat. Go see what you and your airplane can achieve using the published
best glide speed numbers under the best conditions.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
>
> Dennis,
>
> I learned from Leonas it was 7 to 1 clean....I think the 5/6 to 1 is with
> the gear down! I think the manual says 7 to 1 as well...but I could be
> wrong, I never had to try it and I hope I never will...
> To make sure I would calculate with 1 to 5....
>
> Hans
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
> Verzonden: dinsdag 4 april 2006 16:02
> Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
> Onderwerp: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Thank you Steve. As I said.....approx. 5 to 1
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Fox" <jsfox@adelphia.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
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>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
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>> Tim-
>>
>> From my manual.
>> Here are approximate gliding distance assuming nil wind, no turns
>> flaps and gear up.
>>
>> 1,000ft - 1.0 nm
>> 2,000ft - 2.0nm
>> 3,000ft - 3.5nm
>> 4,000ft - 4.5nm
>> 5,000ft - 5,5nm
>>
>> This works out to between 5 to 1 and 6 to 1. Assuming everything is
>> perfect, which it never is, so for you calculations you mat want to
>> think about using 5 to 1 or possible 4.5 to 1 which would give you
>> margin for winds and error.
>>
>> Obviously wind strength is going to alter. A 10kt head wind is going
>> to reduce available distance by 10% and each turn will reduce
>> distance. A 45% degree 360 degree turn you will loose approx 750ft
>> On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Tim Gagnon wrote:
>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>>>
>>> Now, just tell me how I input that into my equation?
>>>
>>> I am using a little GPS for my PDA program called Anywhere Map that
>>> has a cone of safety feature. It will tell you if you can make an
>>> airport based on your altitude, speed, winds and glide ratio. I
>>> know, aviate, communicate, navigate. But this program may take care
>>> of the last part for me so I can concentrate on the first two!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26412#26412
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Dave,
See page 161, vol 3, of your CJ parts book. Part number is H2-9830-200,
sorry but none in stock at this time.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dave Laird
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:06 AM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal
--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
How does one remove the races in the wheels when replacing bearings?
Is there a special tool or technique? Like some sort of gear puller
with it's teeth on the outside?
Or do I just hammer it out from behind with a brass punch?
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Hans Oortman wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
>
> Dennis,
>
> I learned from Leonas it was 7 to 1 clean....I think the 5/6 to 1 is with
> the gear down! I think the manual says 7 to 1 as well...but I could be
> wrong, I never had to try it and I hope I never will...
> To make sure I would calculate with 1 to 5....
What I have found in doing the training in the CJ6A is that, no matter
what numbers you give them, people do not have a "feel" for the
steepness of the glide. I find that the only solution is to climb into
the airplane and experiment with all the combinations of gear and flaps
to see the impact on rate of descent in a turn (I assume that any
approach to an emergency landing area will involve a minimum of a 180
degree turn to landing). (BTW, we "prove" that flaps have more drag than
does the gear.)
I culminate the training with a series of power-off spot landings in the
pattern with various configurations. This is to show that, with gear and
flaps down, it is almost impossible to make the runway from a normal
downwind with both gear and flaps down. The Yak-52 is even worse than
the CJ6A in this respect.
So discussion is an excellent start and needs to be addressed as part of
ground training but it is *NO* substitute for going out and doing it
until the feel for the glide ratio become "muscle memory". Remember,
when the fan quits you have no time for calculations. You have to make
it work by guess and by eyeball.
Brian Lloyd
brian HYPHEN yak AT lloyd DOT com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
Thanks Dennis, , I'll give it a try...but I thought somebody just wanted to
have a set figure for his PDA .... but in principle y're absolutely right:
" it only depends on what I can do with my plane ". Thanks for reminding
me...
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: dinsdag 4 april 2006 17:12
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
A great practice and "implant this in your brain" training flight is to
climb to a comfortable altitude, pull the power back to idle, set up the
airplane for best glide with the undercarriage retracted and perform a 360
degree turn with the intent to lose as little altitude as possible while
maintaining best glide speed and determine how many ft/meters is actually
lost in a 180 and 360 degree turn. Remember, this is being done under ideal
conditions and with no stress on you whatsoever. Once you know how many
ft./meters is lost in the 180 and 360, implant that in your brain forever.
Should you ever need to recall it, you'll know how many ft/meters you'll
need to be above the terrain in an emergency to accomplish a 180 or 360
degree turn.
On the same training flight, you can also test the straight ahead gliding
distance using your GPS. Pull the power to idle, set up best glide speed,
hold heading and best glide airspeed, read your altimeter and when you have
flown 1 mile/kilometer (per the GPS) as configured, read the altimeter.
Continue on to the second mile/kilometer and so on and so on. It doesn't
matter what the book says. It only matters what you can do with your
airplane. If it's 5 to 1 or 6 to 1 or 4.5 to 1, it doesn't mean diddly
squat. Go see what you and your airplane can achieve using the published
best glide speed numbers under the best conditions.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:34 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
>
> Dennis,
>
> I learned from Leonas it was 7 to 1 clean....I think the 5/6 to 1 is with
> the gear down! I think the manual says 7 to 1 as well...but I could be
> wrong, I never had to try it and I hope I never will...
> To make sure I would calculate with 1 to 5....
>
> Hans
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
> Verzonden: dinsdag 4 april 2006 16:02
> Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
> Onderwerp: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Thank you Steve. As I said.....approx. 5 to 1
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Fox" <jsfox@adelphia.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
>>
>> Tim-
>>
>> From my manual.
>> Here are approximate gliding distance assuming nil wind, no turns
>> flaps and gear up.
>>
>> 1,000ft - 1.0 nm
>> 2,000ft - 2.0nm
>> 3,000ft - 3.5nm
>> 4,000ft - 4.5nm
>> 5,000ft - 5,5nm
>>
>> This works out to between 5 to 1 and 6 to 1. Assuming everything is
>> perfect, which it never is, so for you calculations you mat want to
>> think about using 5 to 1 or possible 4.5 to 1 which would give you
>> margin for winds and error.
>>
>> Obviously wind strength is going to alter. A 10kt head wind is going
>> to reduce available distance by 10% and each turn will reduce
>> distance. A 45% degree 360 degree turn you will loose approx 750ft
>> On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Tim Gagnon wrote:
>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>>>
>>> Now, just tell me how I input that into my equation?
>>>
>>> I am using a little GPS for my PDA program called Anywhere Map that
>>> has a cone of safety feature. It will tell you if you can make an
>>> airport based on your altitude, speed, winds and glide ratio. I
>>> know, aviate, communicate, navigate. But this program may take care
>>> of the last part for me so I can concentrate on the first two!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26412#26412
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal |
--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE HOWSE <joeh@shaw.ca>
Carefully run a bead with your TIG welder on the inside of the race, when
cool , it will shrink and remove easily.
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
Brian,
You are right. I train this almost once a month thoroughly... and at our
little airfield I need to take a high downwind of 1500feet, power-off, turn
into one smooth turn directly into final, no flaps, gear down during the
turn in to final and I can make it comfortably. I loose the 1500 ft in
approx. 2 kms.
But Dennis is right, it all depends on what you can do with your
plane...i.e. train, train
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: dinsdag 4 april 2006 18:14
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Hans Oortman wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
>
> Dennis,
>
> I learned from Leonas it was 7 to 1 clean....I think the 5/6 to 1 is with
> the gear down! I think the manual says 7 to 1 as well...but I could be
> wrong, I never had to try it and I hope I never will...
> To make sure I would calculate with 1 to 5....
What I have found in doing the training in the CJ6A is that, no matter
what numbers you give them, people do not have a "feel" for the
steepness of the glide. I find that the only solution is to climb into
the airplane and experiment with all the combinations of gear and flaps
to see the impact on rate of descent in a turn (I assume that any
approach to an emergency landing area will involve a minimum of a 180
degree turn to landing). (BTW, we "prove" that flaps have more drag than
does the gear.)
I culminate the training with a series of power-off spot landings in the
pattern with various configurations. This is to show that, with gear and
flaps down, it is almost impossible to make the runway from a normal
downwind with both gear and flaps down. The Yak-52 is even worse than
the CJ6A in this respect.
So discussion is an excellent start and needs to be addressed as part of
ground training but it is *NO* substitute for going out and doing it
until the feel for the glide ratio become "muscle memory". Remember,
when the fan quits you have no time for calculations. You have to make
it work by guess and by eyeball.
Brian Lloyd
brian HYPHEN yak AT lloyd DOT com
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| Subject: | Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50?? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Yeah, in the 50 she gets a lot slicker when you close the cowl flaps.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Fraser, Gus <gus.fraser@gs.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/4/2006 10:17:33 AM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> Do bear in mind that the cowl flaps will have an effect. Not sure about
> anyone else but I definitely notice when I shut the cowl.
>
> Gus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans Oortman
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:34 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
>
> Dennis,
>
> I learned from Leonas it was 7 to 1 clean....I think the 5/6 to 1 is with
> the gear down! I think the manual says 7 to 1 as well...but I could be
> wrong, I never had to try it and I hope I never will...
> To make sure I would calculate with 1 to 5....
>
> Hans
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
> Verzonden: dinsdag 4 april 2006 16:02
> Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
> Onderwerp: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Thank you Steve. As I said.....approx. 5 to 1 Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Fox" <jsfox@adelphia.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Glide ratio for a Yak-50??
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
> >
> > Tim-
> >
> > From my manual.
> > Here are approximate gliding distance assuming nil wind, no turns
> > flaps and gear up.
> >
> > 1,000ft - 1.0 nm
> > 2,000ft - 2.0nm
> > 3,000ft - 3.5nm
> > 4,000ft - 4.5nm
> > 5,000ft - 5,5nm
> >
> > This works out to between 5 to 1 and 6 to 1. Assuming everything is
> > perfect, which it never is, so for you calculations you mat want to
> > think about using 5 to 1 or possible 4.5 to 1 which would give you
> > margin for winds and error.
> >
> > Obviously wind strength is going to alter. A 10kt head wind is going
> > to reduce available distance by 10% and each turn will reduce
> > distance. A 45% degree 360 degree turn you will loose approx 750ft
> > On Apr 4, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Tim Gagnon wrote:
> >
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
> >>
> >> Now, just tell me how I input that into my equation?
> >>
> >> I am using a little GPS for my PDA program called Anywhere Map that
> >> has a cone of safety feature. It will tell you if you can make an
> >> airport based on your altitude, speed, winds and glide ratio. I
> >> know, aviate, communicate, navigate. But this program may take care
> >> of the last part for me so I can concentrate on the first two!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26412#26412
> >>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Great info folks! I plan on flying the profile soon but was just screwing around
with this PDA program. A few of our SoCal -50 guys have done some work with
altitude loss with and without gear. They put out a nice excel sheet on the results.
Thanks for the help!!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26493#26493
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal |
A more informative reply might be: For the front races use a brass drift to slowly
tap the edge from the other side of the wheel. For the race nearest to the
gear leg, use 2 large flat blade screw drivers in a careful manner to "cam" the
bearing race away from the backing plate....or get a mechanic to do it.
Craig Payne
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Today's WB airshow consisted of mass arrivals. The T-34's arrived earlier in the
day on their own schedule and got parked up in front of the "Yaks" with wheels
on pavement, out of the dirt. in a place "reserved" for something that didn't
show up.
Yaks in the Back; get it? We had 11 CJ's and 11 Yaks in our gaggle. Was really
great fun except Air Boss gave us one frequency he never used and the Real one
to the T-28's and T-6's. Trojan lead was kind enough to share it with us.
My Paranoia again...looks like Poop, smells like Poop, tastes like....
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: SNF airshow 1 |
In a message dated 4/4/2006 5:07:19 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cpayne@joimail.com writes:
My Paranoia again...looks like Poop, smells like Poop, tastes like....
Paranoia? Not all, Craig. Like OSH, the last row is reserved for us. Good for
our hat sizes. Reminds me of moving to Hilo in 1970, and being snubbed by a
"local" salesgirl at Penney's. Bigotry in any form is ugly! ...Blitz
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Tim Gagnon wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> Great info folks! I plan on flying the profile soon but was just screwing around
with this PDA program. A few of our SoCal -50 guys have done some work with
altitude loss with and without gear. They put out a nice excel sheet on the
results.
>
> Thanks for the help!!
You know, you guys are talking to the biggest techno-tweak around when
you talk to me. (Well, maybe I play second fiddle to Craig in this arena
but I'm not that far back.) I play with spreadsheets and all kinds of
technical stuff.
Here's the bottom line: you can't do this technically. What your
airplane does in terms of glide has to be something that is as intrinsic
to you as your heartbeat. Numbers don't mean crap. You have to be able
to look at the ground, pull the throttle to idle, and know where you are
going to end up. You need to know how the gear, flaps, and cooling
shutters are going to tweak things. The only way you develop that sense
is to fly the airplane.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Main Wheel Bearing Race Removal |
--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE HOWSE <joeh@shaw.ca>
Dave
If you can"t wait for Doug's supply, a Timken 32207 is the same.
Joe
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| Subject: | Sean Tucker Bailout |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
www.aero-news.net
Sean Tucker Bails Out Of 'Oracle Challenger'
ANN REALTIME Update: 04.04.06, 1532 EDT: It appears that the control malfunction
that downed Sean Tucker's beloved biplane was a broken control stick. According
to a number of reports, Sean's control stick broke shortly after takeoff from
the Red River Regional Airport and required some fancy flying to keep it in
the air, and to nurse it to a safe altitude and area while he attempted to diagnose
the problem and the chances for a safe landing.
Upon determining that a safe landing was not possible (and let's face it, if anyone
could have, Sean is the guy), Sean maneuvered over unpopulated territory
and exited the aircraft., Despite getting hung up temporarily on the tail, Sean
freed himself and managed a controlled deployment and safe landing using a Para-Phernalia
emergency parachute.
Initial Report, 04.04.06, 1251 EDT: Details are somewhat sketchy for the moment,
but ANN has confirmed that Aerobatic Pilot Sean D. Tucker had to bail out of
his 'Oracle Challenger' biplane today.
The aircraft was being used in a practice session when a control malfunction occurred
requiring some 15 minutes of trouble-shooting before Sean was forced to
leave the aircraft at a reported 8000 feet.
The aircraft went down over Coushatta, some 40 nm South of Shreveport, Louisiana
and impacted in an open field after Sean deliberately chose an area likely to
produce no hazards to anyone. The accident occurred at 1045 local time, the
aircraft is pretty much destroyed, and most important of all -- Sean landed with
no injuries.
While Sean was scheduled to perform in Lakeland this weekend, there is no word
on the future status of his airshow schedule.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=26514#26514
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| Subject: | Re: Sean Tucker Bailout |
I can't express how thankful I am he made the right choice and got out. I wasn't
prepared to hear about another crash this soon after Nick. Glad he knew his
limitations and his bail out criteria. I think about that often...what would
make me just and crash a crappy/perfectly good a/c...how long do you have to
decide?!?!
In the AF it's easy...give it back to the tax payers is what they always say,
when it's your a/c and you know it so well and don't want it banged up is when
the choice gets more difficult...doesn't it?
Smash
Scooter <yakk52@verizon.net> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter"
www.aero-news.net
Sean Tucker Bails Out Of 'Oracle Challenger'
ANN REALTIME Update: 04.04.06, 1532 EDT: It appears that the control malfunction
that downed Sean Tucker's beloved biplane was a broken control stick. According
to a number of reports, Sean's control stick broke shortly after takeoff from
the Red River Regional Airport and required some fancy flying to keep it in
the air, and to nurse it to a safe altitude and area while he attempted to diagnose
the problem and the chances for a safe landing.
Upon determining that a safe landing was not possible (and let's face it, if anyone
could have, Sean is the guy), Sean maneuvered over unpopulated territory
and exited the aircraft., Despite getting hung up temporarily on the tail, Sean
freed himself and managed a controlled deployment and safe landing using a Para-Phernalia
emergency parachute.
Initial Report, 04.04.06, 1251 EDT: Details are somewhat sketchy for the moment,
but ANN has confirmed that Aerobatic Pilot Sean D. Tucker had to bail out of
his 'Oracle Challenger' biplane today.
The aircraft was being used in a practice session when a control malfunction occurred
requiring some 15 minutes of trouble-shooting before Sean was forced to
leave the aircraft at a reported 8000 feet.
The aircraft went down over Coushatta, some 40 nm South of Shreveport, Louisiana
and impacted in an open field after Sean deliberately chose an area likely to
produce no hazards to anyone. The accident occurred at 1045 local time, the
aircraft is pretty much destroyed, and most important of all -- Sean landed with
no injuries.
While Sean was scheduled to perform in Lakeland this weekend, there is no word
on the future status of his airshow schedule.
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| Subject: | Re: SNF airshow 1 |
Why do you all attend Sun-Fun ,it has been this way for the last ten years welcome
to the back of the bus.
Don Andrews
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: Yak-List: SNF airshow 1
Today's WB airshow consisted of mass arrivals. The T-34's arrived earlier in
the day on their own schedule and got parked up in front of the "Yaks" with wheels
on pavement, out of the dirt. in a place "reserved" for something that didn't
show up.
Yaks in the Back; get it? We had 11 CJ's and 11 Yaks in our gaggle. Was really
great fun except Air Boss gave us one frequency he never used and the Real one
to the T-28's and T-6's. Trojan lead was kind enough to share it with us.
My Paranoia again...looks like Poop, smells like Poop, tastes like....
Craig Payne
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Like I said earlier, Yeh Ha! Next year lets boycott SNF and do a Spring Red Air!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
Sent: 4/4/2006 7:11:07 PM
Subject: Yak-List: SNF airshow 1
Today's WB airshow consisted of mass arrivals. The T-34's arrived earlier in the
day on their own schedule and got parked up in front of the "Yaks" with wheels
on pavement, out of the dirt. in a place "reserved" for something that didn't
show up.
Yaks in the Back; get it? We had 11 CJ's and 11 Yaks in our gaggle. Was really
great fun except Air Boss gave us one frequency he never used and the Real one
to the T-28's and T-6's. Trojan lead was kind enough to share it with us.
My Paranoia again...looks like Poop, smells like Poop, tastes like....
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Job lead for former USN/USAF fighter pilots |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Job lead for former USN/USAF fighter pilots
Found this somewhere else......
Due to specific equipment we have, we are looking for a professional pilot with
the following experience: ex-US Air Force, or, ex-US Navy fighter pilot. Must
be relatively current in fighter aircraft. We currently operate a Marchetti S-211
sub-sonic fighter trainer, and we have a Javelin (s/n 04) on order.
This is a full time position. Along with the above mentioned airplanes, we also
operate a Global Express and a CJ3, and we have a Citation X on order. Unfortunately,
at this particular time, the prerequisite for interview is the military
experience. Pilots living in the S.F. Bay Area are preferred, but we are considering
everyone.
Jeffrey L. Glass
President
GLASS AVIATION, INC.
1250 Aviation Ave., Suite 250-A
San Jose, CA 95110
office: 408-292-3886
fax: 408-292-4874
skype: jeffglass
jglass@glassaviation.com
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rest is moot.
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