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1. 01:16 AM - still AIR......In an emergency (tamara_b@telus.net)
2. 05:03 AM - Oil Type Change? (Edwin Curry)
3. 05:10 AM - Re: Oil Type Change? (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 05:14 AM - Re: still AIR......In an emergency (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 06:36 AM - Re: still AIR......In an emergency (Tim Gagnon)
6. 06:37 AM - Re: Oil Type Change? (Tim Gagnon)
7. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: still AIR......In an emergency (cgalley)
8. 08:33 AM - Repirs and Thanks (napeone)
9. 08:52 AM - CJ6A over-voltage protection module update (Brian Lloyd)
10. 01:33 PM - Re: BFM/ACM (Steve Dalton)
11. 02:02 PM - Re: cj6 spare parts at low price (Walter Lannon)
12. 02:24 PM - BFM/ACM (MFilucci@aol.com)
13. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: BFM/ACM (Sarah Tobin)
14. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: BFM/ACM (cjpilot710@aol.com)
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| Subject: | still AIR......In an emergency |
--> Yak-List message posted by: tamara_b@telus.net
I am pretty sure that someone mentioned this
before but just in case, I am using a PORTABLE
STRUT /TIRE PUMP, the only thing you might run
out is elbow grease.
For your information here comes the internet address:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/tirestrutpump.php
cheers
Elmar (CJ6-A)
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| Subject: | Oil Type Change? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Edwin Curry <EACurry@ev1.net>
Since we have owned our Yak 52, we have used Aeroshell 50 weight strait
mineral oil. Our engine has around 450 hours on it. We are considering
switching from strait mineral oil to a multigrade oil. Is this going to
cause any problems that I am not aware of? If we do change, is there a
multigrade oil that is mineral oil based? I have been told that Phillips
has a multigrade oil that is exactly what I have mentioned. Your input
will be appreciated.
Edwin Curry
N108GC
Yak 52
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Type Change? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Philips 25W-60 is a mineral based oil and was developed for radial engines.
Many of us, including myself, use it.
Dennis
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From: "Edwin Curry" <EACurry@ev1.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:06 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Oil Type Change?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Edwin Curry <EACurry@ev1.net>
>
> Since we have owned our Yak 52, we have used Aeroshell 50 weight strait
> mineral oil. Our engine has around 450 hours on it. We are considering
> switching from strait mineral oil to a multigrade oil. Is this going to
> cause any problems that I am not aware of? If we do change, is there a
> multigrade oil that is mineral oil based? I have been told that Phillips
> has a multigrade oil that is exactly what I have mentioned. Your input
> will be appreciated.
>
> Edwin Curry
> N108GC
> Yak 52
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: still AIR......In an emergency |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
It works great on struts, but I've tried pumping my main air system to 25
ATM's and after pumping the thing for what seemed like forever, I gave up.
Too much volume needed to pressurize to 25 ATM's.
Dennis
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From: <tamara_b@telus.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 3:13 AM
Subject: Yak-List: still AIR......In an emergencyg
> --> Yak-List message posted by: tamara_b@telus.net
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>
> I am pretty sure that someone mentioned this
> before but just in case, I am using a PORTABLE
> STRUT /TIRE PUMP, the only thing you might run
> out is elbow grease.
>
> For your information here comes the internet address:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/tirestrutpump.php
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar (CJ6-A)
>
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| Subject: | Re: still AIR......In an emergency |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
$280.00 for a bicycle pump!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28120#28120
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Type Change? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
I just bought a 55 gallon drum of it yesterday! Got the price down to about 1.25
per quart. They wanted to get rid of it after the DC-3 operation left the field.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28121#28121
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| Subject: | Re: still AIR......In an emergency |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Its more than a "bicycle" pump. Ours takes line pressure or from an air
bottle and boosts it to about 750 psi. in a small volume. Works great in
the field with no problem of an inexperienced operator blowing out seals.
Cy Galley - Chair,
AirVenture Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:35 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: still AIR......In an emergency
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> $280.00 for a bicycle pump!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28120#28120
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Repirs and Thanks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "napeone" <napeone@aol.com>
I have recently replaced the air start valve and its associated relay in my Yak52.
A physically demanding task, as the the air start vale is located on the inside
left firewall. Inaccessable to the tall, large, or non limber. The relay
is located on bulkhead #6 under the rear instrument panel. Go thru the top and
under.
By the way , the voltage regulator has to be removed for access to the airstart
valve. Try getting the clips back on.
Many thanks to Dennis Savarese for diagnosing the problem and tracing down the
location of the relay. Thanks also to Carl and Jill Hayes for the prompt shipment
of the parts and the reasonable prices. I could not have done the job without
these peoples efforts.
David H.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28157#28157
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| Subject: | CJ6A over-voltage protection module update |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Hooray! Bob finally finished the first prototypes. There were some bugs
that cropped up when the module was moved from the breadboard to the
final circuit board but they have been squashed so, as of yesterday's
mail, I am in possession of the first ready-to-install CJ6A OV
protection module.
Blitz, we need to schedule a time to hack up the guts of your CJ and
install this thing. Best to have two days in which to do it in order to
accommodate all the extra "opportunities" Murphy will undoubtedly throw
at us.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
That is a silly statement. If I go through all the same training at the
hands of a civilian instructor or at the hands of a military instructor,
I get the same training. And it doesn't matter if you are in the
military or not. <-----
Brian,
In theory you are correct. But, my point is made by the first word in
your second sentence above. Your theory begins with the word "If".
In the real civilian world that "if" will never be achieved. Because in
the civilian world you won't fly a hi-performance plane to it's limits,
everyday, for years, with talented experienced instructors (who all have
combat time), with two hour briefings and two hour debriefings of every
flight, which includes HUD video analysis of your every move, on an ACMI
range, etc., etc., etc.
The point is not that military pilots are better, smarter, or anything
else (except maybe better looking!) :-). The point is that they learned
BFM/ACM in an environment that included EVERY resource available;
resulting in a quality, and quantity of training that is not
reproducible in the civilian world.
There are some things we just can't read all about and then go out and
do proficiently and/or safely. Take Navy SEALS. Could one of us, in
the civilian world, go get training to qualify as a SEAL? Of course
not. Unless we went through the real SEAL course.
That's what I'm saying about trying to teach BFM/ACM in the civilian
world. It's NOT about the people/pilots. It's just not possible to
recreate all that the military provided, during YEARS of continuous
training. And they STILL lose guys/gals doing simple BFM.
Ref: comparing the dangers of BFM/ACM with aerobatics.
While flying acro your total brain power is concentrated solely on your
own flying. During a BFM/ACM engagement you use MOST of your
concentration for "stuff" outside your airplane. You fly by instinct,
habit patterns and muscle memory alone. If you "think" about flying
your plane, you lose (die). Acro is safer because of more available
brain power to use to stay in control of your plane. Along with only
having to maintain situational awareness of what you alone are doing,
and not also what the other guy is doing now, how you'll counter that,
what he might do next, and how you'll counter that.......
Also consider, if you screw-up flying acro, the only person you kill is
yourself. In a BFM/ACM engagement your error could also kill the "other
guy". If I'm the "other guy" I'm gonna really be pissed when you kill
me because YOU goofed. :-)
I have enjoyed this discussion and hope I get to meet you someday.
Maybe we could go out and fly a 1 v1.
Cheers,
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: cj6 spare parts at low price |
Hi
Please email your parts list with prices for the CJ6 parts.Thank you.
Regards;
Walt Lannon
Lannon Aviation Inc.
Osoyoos, B.C.
Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: Zack
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: cj6 spare parts at low price
Hi CJ6 pilots,
We have some spare parts in stock.
IN a couple of weeks ,we will sell all these parts and
introduce new ones.
Anybody is interested in these parts, I can supply the list and
quote.
Fly safe.
Meng
Beijing,China
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In a message dated 4/13/2006 3:34:37 PM Central Standard Time,
sdalton@goeaston.net writes:
There are some things we just can't read all about and then go out and
do proficiently and/or safely. Take Navy SEALS. Could one of us, in
the civilian world, go get training to qualify as a SEAL? Of course
not. Unless we went through the real SEAL course.
There is another, missing portion of this whole discussion--whether it be
Navy Seals or military fighter pilots, there is an extremely rigorous screening
process before any training begins--once the training begins, there is a
rigorous weeding-out process. In the end, only the best of the best advance and
complete the training.
In our environment, the only screening that takes place is monetary--that is,
can you write the check (or borrow the money) to pay for an airplane?
The rest of the story, as Paul Harvey would say, is that these military
candidates are all relatively young and in their prime both mentally and
physically--even given that advantage, the majority do not make the cut in the
end.
Mike
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I'm going to disagree with this, because...I can. I don't see how civilians
could ever (want to) train the way the military does. 1 full year of 12 hour
days, 5 days a week. 3 sorties a day, normally 2 flights and 1 sim. Weekly written
tests, daily stand up tests. Memorization of every possible emergency procedure
and the ability to state verbatim chronologically how you would handle
any given situation given only 2 variables. Oh btw, you are required to work
out at the gym at least 10 hours a week and document what you did, plus handle
all of the other things in life like studying, doing laundry, eating...that
seems to fall by the way side most of the time...I think I was at my skinniest
weight when I was in UPT.
Anyway, it's tough, it's really really tough. I don't think even the airlines
are that rigorous. I know they have long days when they are upgrading etc,
but I don't think that agony ever goes on for a year. Maybe 4 months of LINE/LOFT
etc. But it is the same principal, you completely surrender yourself to
thinking, breathing, eating, living flying in a fire hose environment.
I don't claim to know what the RPA does for training, but even if it requires
10 weekends a year to upgrade to ACM/BFM/Formation whatever....it will *never*
compare to the military training. Doesn't make it bad or worse or anything...it
just is, what it is.
Signing off with my two cents...
Smash
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd
That is a silly statement. If I go through all the same training at the
hands of a civilian instructor or at the hands of a military instructor,
I get the same training. And it doesn't matter if you are in the
military or not. <-----
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Mozam and Smash say it all. And I still say RPA does not the resources to
do it right. I'd like to have it but we don't.
You guys can go ahead and fire away at me. I shan't be here. I'm off to
fly the bombers. And yes I am a better pilot than you because I fly bombers
:-)
Pappy (just a hair from logging 500 hours of formation time) nite nite
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I'm going to disagree with this, because...I can. I don't see how civilians
could ever (want to) train the way the military does. 1 full year of 12
hour days, 5 days a week. 3 sorties a day, normally 2 flights and 1 sim. Weekly
written tests, daily stand up tests. Memorization of every possible
emergency procedure and the ability to state verbatim chronologically how you
would
handle any given situation given only 2 variables. Oh btw, you are required
to work out at the gym at least 10 hours a week and document what you did,
plus handle all of the other things in life like studying, doing laundry,
eating...that seems to fall by the way side most of the time...I think I was at
my
skinniest weight when I was in UPT.
Anyway, it's tough, it's really really tough. I don't think even the
airlines are that rigorous. I know they have long days when they are upgrading
etc, but I don't think that agony ever goes on for a year. Maybe 4 months of
LINE/LOFT etc. But it is the same principal, you completely surrender yourself
to thinking, breathing, eating, living flying in a fire hose environment.
I don't claim to know what the RPA does for training, but even if it
requires 10 weekends a year to upgrade to ACM/BFM/Formation whatever....it will
*never* compare to the military training. Doesn't make it bad or worse or
anything...it just is, what it is.
Signing off with my two cents...
Smash
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