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1. 05:50 AM - Future Yak Driver... (Tim Gagnon)
2. 05:55 AM - Everyone should have one of each.... (Tim Gagnon)
3. 07:23 AM - Re: BFM/ACM (Scooter)
4. 08:20 AM - Re: Future Yak Driver... (Sarah Tobin)
5. 09:04 AM - Strut Pressure for CJ6A (Jim Bernier)
6. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: BFM/ACM (Brian Lloyd)
7. 10:00 AM - Re: BFM/ACM (Scooter)
8. 10:05 AM - Re: BFM/ACM (Steve Dalton)
9. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: BFM/ACM (Brian Lloyd)
10. 01:06 PM - bfm/acm (Drew Blahnick)
11. 07:35 PM - Re: cj6 spare parts at low price (Zack)
12. 08:13 PM - Re: Strut Pressure for CJ6A (Walter Lannon)
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| Subject: | Future Yak Driver... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
You will notice she is has chosen the Yak-50 as her prefered mount. She can fly
it as soon as she stops crapping her pants and can talk....CLEAR PROP!
Now a moment to ask for your help. We are trying to reach a goal and are using
any avenue we can get the word out! I hope this does not offend anyone.
So...
Our daughter Sydney was born March 4th, 2006, nine weeks premature. Her mother
developed H.E.L.L.P Syndrome, a severe and rare form of Preeclampsia. This syndrome
almost proved fatal for both my wife and our unborn daughter. Since pregnancy
causes H.E.L.L.P, the only treatment is to deliver the child. After 48 hours
of steroids to strengthen our daughters lungs and prepare her for the world
and medication to prepare my wife for the surgery, Sydney was delivered by
C-Section. She was born weighing a mere 3 lbs 9 ounces.
Mother and baby are now doing well. The week leading up to our daughters birth
and the week after, have been extremely stressful as parents. We spent countless
hours in the NICU (Neonatal Intensive Care Unit) at Good Samaritan Hospital
here in Cincinnati. We simply wanted to be as close to our daughter as possible
during these critical days of her young life. Surrounding us were other newborns
suffering from various health issues. Their parents maintain a vigil over
their precious children and rejoice at something as simple as a whimper or slight
movement. It is the little things that really fill your heart with such
joy. There are also the terrifying moments like when the alarms on your childs
monitor go off telling you that your daughter has stopped breathing or her heart
rate has dropped dangerously low. If there were a monitor on you, it would
indicate the same thing. Wonderful, loving and supportive family and friends
have made the difference. There is a saying that there are no atheists in foxholes.
I can also tell you that there are no atheists in the NICU. Countless and
continuing prayers have provided the needed strength to endure this.
There is hope for these little ones and their parents. It is through the March
of Dimes. The March of Dimes goals are simple: to prevent premature births, birth
defects, and infant mortality. As parents of a preemie, we have become involved
in our local chapter and plan on continuing that involvement long after
Sydney comes home. We would like the March of Dimes to realize their goals so
that no other parent has to go through what we have had to go through. One walk
through a NICU and you too would be motivated to help. We would like everyone
to join us and contribute to this very worthy cause. If you cannot donate,
join a local group and walk during one of the many WalkAmerica walks.
We have set up a site for you to contribute. Every donation is tax deductible and
you get a receipt right away! They take cash, checks, credit cards, and Paypal!
ALL DONATIONS GO DIRECTLY TO THE MARCH OF DIMES. WE DO NOT SEE ONE DIME OF
THIS.
Please know that these donations are NOT for our daughter. These go directly to
the March of Dimes and are used in their life saving work.
We hope you will join us and contribute to the March of Dimes!
Best Wishes,
Tim, Donna, and Sydney Gagnon
http://www.walkamerica.org/SydneyGagnon
If you dont feel comfortable using the site for a donation, you can send a check
to them directly or to us payable to the March of Dimes. I will forward my address
to those who prefer that way.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28344#28344
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| Subject: | Everyone should have one of each.... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Oddly enough...the one on the right is cheaper to buy. But thats where the cheap
part ends...
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
At the risk of prolonging the agony of this thread...
After reading what some of you had to say I am convinced that BFM/ACM is a bad
idea for civilian pilots - but I think the case was overstated. I haven't seen
the syllabus of one of these military programs but I would think that a significant
portion of it is devoted to things found only in high-performance military
aircraft. I think if you pared it down to a one v. one encounter in "low"
performance aircraft you would have a drastically simpler syllabus.
If someone were to put together a safe program for the Yak, for example, I can't
imagine that it would be like "drinking from a firehose". There would be no
complex checklists to remember (no more than we have anyway). No weapons systems.
No two v. one or one v. two or ten v. one. No radars, ecm or eccm or ecccm.
No 9 g maneuvers.
It would be interesting if someone wrote about some of their BFM/ACM encounters
and published it in the red star newsletter (or somewhere). It would be interesting
to read about and might shed some light on what it's really all about
(especially for us guys who haven't done it and probably never will).
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| Subject: | Re: Future Yak Driver... |
Another way to donate money to your favorite 501c non-profit org (i.e. March of Dimes) is to use the search engine www.goodsearch.com.
Oh, btw, they are family friendly. No porn sites or NAMBLA will appear. It's
powered by Yahoo and seems to be just as good at google or any other site.
Smash
Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon"
You will notice she is has chosen the Yak-50 as her prefered mount. She can fly
it as soon as she stops crapping her pants and can talk....CLEAR PROP!
Now a moment to ask for your help. We are trying to reach a goal and are using
any avenue we can get the word out! I hope this does not offend anyone.
So...
Our daughter Sydney was born March 4th, 2006, nine weeks premature. Her mother
developed H.E.L.L.P Syndrome, a severe and rare form of Preeclampsia. This syndrome
almost proved fatal for both my wife and our unborn daughter. Since pregnancy
causes H.E.L.L.P, the only treatment is to deliver the child. After 48 hours
of steroids to strengthen our daughters lungs and prepare her for the world
and medication to prepare my wife for the surgery, Sydney was delivered by
C-Section. She was born weighing a mere 3 lbs 9 ounces.
Mother and baby are now doing well. The week leading up to our daughters birth
and the week after, have been extremely stressful as parents. We spent countless
hours in the NICU (Neonatal Intensive Care Unit) at Good Samaritan Hospital
here in Cincinnati. We simply wanted to be as close to our daughter as possible
during these critical days of her young life. Surrounding us were other newborns
suffering from various health issues. Their parents maintain a vigil over
their precious children and rejoice at something as simple as a whimper or slight
movement. It is the little things that really fill your heart with such
joy. There are also the terrifying moments like when the alarms on your childs
monitor go off telling you that your daughter has stopped breathing or her heart
rate has dropped dangerously low. If there were a monitor on you, it would
indicate the same thing. Wonderful, loving and supportive family and friends
have made the difference. There is a saying that
!
there are no atheists in foxholes. I can also tell you that there are no atheists
in the NICU. Countless and continuing prayers have provided the needed strength
to endure this.
There is hope for these little ones and their parents. It is through the March
of Dimes. The March of Dimes goals are simple: to prevent premature births, birth
defects, and infant mortality. As parents of a preemie, we have become involved
in our local chapter and plan on continuing that involvement long after
Sydney comes home. We would like the March of Dimes to realize their goals so
that no other parent has to go through what we have had to go through. One walk
through a NICU and you too would be motivated to help. We would like everyone
to join us and contribute to this very worthy cause. If you cannot donate, join
a local group and walk during one of the many WalkAmerica walks.
We have set up a site for you to contribute. Every donation is tax deductible and
you get a receipt right away! They take cash, checks, credit cards, and Paypal!
ALL DONATIONS GO DIRECTLY TO THE MARCH OF DIMES. WE DO NOT SEE ONE DIME OF
THIS.
Please know that these donations are NOT for our daughter. These go directly to
the March of Dimes and are used in their life saving work.
We hope you will join us and contribute to the March of Dimes!
Best Wishes,
Tim, Donna, and Sydney Gagnon
http://www.walkamerica.org/SydneyGagnon
If you dont feel comfortable using the site for a donation, you can send a check
to them directly or to us payable to the March of Dimes. I will forward my address
to those who prefer that way.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=28344#28344
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| Subject: | Strut Pressure for CJ6A |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Does anyone know the strut presesure and oil quantity for the mains and nose strut
on the CJ6A?
Any does and don'ts would be warmly received.
Thanks, Jim B
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Steve Dalton wrote:
> In the real civilian world that "if" will never be achieved. Because in
> the civilian world you won't fly a hi-performance plane to it's limits,
No, we will be flying CJ6As and Yak-52s.
And all your points are good. I don't disagree with any of them.
This did get a bit far afield from the original discussion which was
that the RPA was, once again, deciding for us what is best instead of
leaving the decision where it belongs -- with the pilots involved.
Let me see if I can put all this stuff in a nutshell:
1. ACM is potentially dangerous.
2. If you can dedicate millions of dollars and thousands of hours to its
practice you will be better and safer at it than if you only dedicate a
few hundred dollars and a handful of hours.
3. You depend on the other guy to Do The Right Thing and he or she might
not.
I agree 100% with these two statements.
Now, the sixty-four-dollar question is: can we do basic ACM safely, at
least as safely as we do, say, mass formation? I think this is where the
real discussion lies.
Has anyone thought much about what happens should someone lose it in the
middle of a big formation? Not a lot of outs there. But there seems to
be a great deal of emphasis on doing big formations. I can see depending
on one other person doing the right thing but what about depending on 20
other people doing the right thing?
(And no, I am not pointing a finger at mass-form being dangerous but
just bringing it up for thought and comparison.)
> I have enjoyed this discussion and hope I get to meet you someday.
> Maybe we could go out and fly a 1 v1.
Sure, and you will wax my ass. No question about that. But every time
you do I will learn from you. Who knows, I may have the aptitude and
eventually my skill will reach the limitation of the airframe and you
will find it a lot harder to do.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
I think you've also got to consider the mindset of the pilot. A military pilot
is being evaluated, graded and most likely has a significant amount of ego invested
in it. I think the average civilian pilot, me anyway, would have the following
priorities. Number one: keep me alive. Two: keep my airplane safe.
Three: try to beat the other guy. If I lose the fight, big deal, I'm just
having fun.
I don't think the RPA should get involved in this. I think a new rogue organization
should be formed... the RPUFA - Red Pilots Ultimate Fighting Association.
They should create a five mile square "insurance free" zone ten miles out
in the ocean (what happens here stays here) and have at it.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
> Sure, and you will wax my ass. No question about that. But every time
> you do I will learn from you. Who knows, I may have the aptitude and
> eventually my skill will reach the limitation of the airframe and you
> will find it a lot harder to do.
Brian,
Don't sell yourself short. I wasn't trying to imply who'd win, I was poking fun
at ourselves for agrueing about the safety of it, and then going out to do it!
:)
Folks are going to continue to "dogfight" as long as there are planes to fly, myself
included. I just wanted the inexperienced to fully understand the risks.
Fly Safe,
Steve
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Steve Dalton wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
>
>
>> Sure, and you will wax my ass. No question about that. But every time
>> you do I will learn from you. Who knows, I may have the aptitude and
>> eventually my skill will reach the limitation of the airframe and you
>> will find it a lot harder to do.
>
>
> Brian,
>
> Don't sell yourself short.
And I wasn't selling myself short, just recognizing my limitations. I
try to keep my ego out of things and approach them as engineering
problems as much as possible. That is the way good decisions get made.
OTOH, I have been good at everything I have tried to do in my life. No
reason I can't acquit myself well here too. And then I will wax your
ass! :-)
> I wasn't trying to imply who'd win, I was poking fun at ourselves for agueing
about the safety of it, and then going out to do it! :)
Makes sense to me.
You know, there is this clear thread that keeps popping up whenever
someone wants to take something away. They bring up the safety issue. It
is damned difficult to argue individual rights and privileges against
"safety" as we are seeing elsewhere in our political arena. It is how
the FAA keeps taking more and more of our privileges away and it is how
we ended up with outstanding legislation like the "Patriot" act and
domestic surveillance in the US.
> Folks are going to continue to "dogfight" as long as there are planes to fly,
myself included. I just wanted the inexperienced to fully understand the risks.
I am with you 100% on that. As a noob it is my decision to do this
knowing that it is not the safest thing to do. If I want safe I will sit
at home, watch TV, and let the the media tell me what to think.
Actually, if I really want to get into this I will watch reruns of
"Friends" and "Seinfeld" and not even bother with news and political
commentary.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
"Five percent of the people think.
Ten percent of the people think they think.
Eighty-five percent of the people would rather die than think."
---Thomas A. Edison
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Folks,
I also don't think Brians post on the ACM/BFM was a "flame" (lots of use of that
word lately), and not baiting you two folks in that post - what you saw was
a reply to Steve personally (who sent me the post off list direct with yaklist
in the addressing) and was simply a reflection based on recent positions /
posts by these two pilots. Not intended as a bait of any sorts,
For those interested in this subject, including information from the underwriters
on the impact of competitive dogfighting on policies, and on other important
subjects such as the current plans for basic to advanced formation training,
look for an article in the 2nd qtr RPA magazine...
Apologize for any confusion on the original post,
Drew
Drew A. Blahnick
RPA President
305.803.9158
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| Subject: | Re: cj6 spare parts at low price |
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| Subject: | Re: Strut Pressure for CJ6A |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Hi Jim;
>From memory the strut pressures are: Nose 20 ATM, mains 48 ATM. Oil quantity
I can't remember but they are in both the Specs. manual and the Component
Overhaul Manual, both of which are available from Doug Sapp. Mine are at the
hangar.
Regards;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 9:01 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Strut Pressure for CJ6A
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
>
> Does anyone know the strut presesure and oil quantity for the mains and
> nose strut on the CJ6A?
> Any does and don'ts would be warmly received.
> Thanks, Jim B
>
>
>
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