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1. 07:13 AM - Good Weather Site (David McGirt)
2. 07:55 AM - Re: Good Weather Site (Ben Marsh)
3. 09:11 AM - Sun-n-Fun Pictures and Video (David McGirt)
4. 09:27 AM - Fw: Fw: [luscombe-silvaire] Scott Crossfield's plane missing in GA (cgalley)
5. 09:31 AM - new RPA directors and news on ACM, RedStar Magazine, etc. (Drew Blahnick)
6. 11:15 AM - Re: Re: Raptors Rule (Sarah Tobin)
7. 11:15 AM - Red Air Tacticle Clinic - May 19-20 (Roger Kemp)
8. 11:19 AM - Re: Russians vs. Smash (Sarah Tobin)
9. 11:27 AM - Re: Russians vs. Smash....again (Sarah Tobin)
10. 11:48 AM - Re: Re: BFM/ACM (Sarah Tobin)
11. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: BFM/ACM (Roger Kemp)
12. 01:26 PM - Re: BFM/ACM (Tim Gagnon)
13. 01:40 PM - Re: Raptors Rule (Tim Gagnon)
14. 01:43 PM - Re: Re: BFM/ACM (Roger Kemp)
15. 03:13 PM - Re: Electrical Problem (YAK-50) (Tim Gagnon)
16. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: Russians vs. Smash (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
17. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: Russians vs. Smash....again (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
18. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: Electrical Problem (YAK-50) (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
19. 05:16 PM - Russians Vs Smash (Robert Starnes)
20. 05:42 PM - what is this doing on the list (Frank Stelwagon)
21. 05:45 PM - Re: what is this doing on the list (Stephen Fox)
22. 05:53 PM - Re: Russians Vs Smash (Sarah Tobin)
23. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: Russians vs. Smash....again (Sarah Tobin)
24. 06:10 PM - Re: Russians vs. Smash (Sarah Tobin)
25. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Russians vs. Smash (A. Dennis Savarese)
26. 08:32 PM - Tool Needed for CJ6a (mgdimarco)
27. 08:32 PM - Re: Russians vs. Smash (Sarah Tobin)
28. 08:43 PM - Re: Air.....in an emergency. (Sarah Tobin)
29. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: Russians vs. Smash (ggg6@att.net)
30. 11:24 PM - Scott Crossfield (Jerry Painter)
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| Subject: | Good Weather Site |
This link is probably worth adding to your bookmarks:
http://www.rvproject.com/wx/
It's a privately operated site with a really nice text weather page for
airports. Go to the bottom where it lets you Customize Location, and put in
your airport with a 50 mile radius. Nice little tool when your trying to
quickly assess your chances for flying.
And of course, you already know about www.flightcentral.net/superwx
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| Subject: | Good Weather Site |
There is a rumor that Scott Crossfield may have crashed near Atlanta on
Wednesday. CNN web report.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 7:10 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Good Weather Site
This link is probably worth adding to your bookmarks:
http://www.rvproject.com/wx/
It's a privately operated site with a really nice text weather page for
airports. Go to the bottom where it lets you Customize Location, and put in
your airport with a 50 mile radius. Nice little tool when your trying to
quickly assess your chances for flying.
And of course, you already know about www.flightcentral.net/superwx
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| Subject: | Sun-n-Fun Pictures and Video |
Ok,
I have not really had time to mess with all the pics and video, but I did
throw together a quick slide show for everyone that was there.. So don't
make fun, and enjoy.. Also there are some more videos ect in the
directory..
Slideshow ( 9.5 MB )
http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/Sun-n-Fun_2006/Sun-n-Fun_Slideshow.wmv
Other Stuff:
http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/Sun-n-Fun_2006/
Enjoy,
Talon
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| Subject: | Fw: Fw: [luscombe-silvaire] Scott Crossfield's plane missing |
in GA
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Lyjak
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 10:59 AM
Subject: [luscombe-silvaire] Scott Crossfield's plane missing in GA
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/20/georgia.plane/index.html
a.. Visit your group "luscombe-silvaire" on the web.
b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
luscombe-silvaire-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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| Subject: | new RPA directors and news on ACM, RedStar Magazine, etc. |
Folks,
Congrats to the new regional board of directors elected by members this month,
they are:
Gordon Witter, South West Region (exceedingly close race with Dave King!)
Joe Giffith, North West Region
Terry Slawinski, South Central Region (exceedingly close race with Scott McMillian)
Shane Golden, South East Region
Dan Fortin, North East Region
The North Central Regional election remains open for the about a week as there
is a tie vote between Russ Witt-Dycus and David Mills. If your in the NC region
and have not voted, head to "Governance-Elections" on the web.
In line with the 2005 By-Laws posted on the website under Governance, 3 Nationally
elected directors for the board opens in about a week, candidates are:
Alex Harwick
Barry Hancock
Jim Goolsby
Byron Fox
Dave King
Rob Mortara
Terry Calloway
Kevin Campbell
These folks will review old policy, set new policy, and I hope work as a team
to see all programs forward on behalf of owners and members.
++++ RPA NEWS ++++++++++++++++
Events:
Events Section on the web is now being totally recoded by Mr Waites. Mr Waites
is the talented coder who has recently redesigned the navigation of the assoc
site and created such services as "aircraft sales". "Event Registration" now
has a stand alone link on the home page and he is developing a graphical interface
to locate events, simplifying the no-fee registration form, and adding
excellent back end administration tools for the event organizer - the end result
is organizers will be able to edit their events, cancel them and download
excell lists if attendees.
Advertising the association:
We are in final negotiations with Trade a Plane to advertise the association
to folks shopping for a warbird or aircraft.
SunnFun 2006:
Congrats, RedStar was the largest warbird display group on the block from day
one - and "RedStar" was finally used as the call sign by the airboss. McGirts
RV and the house were exceptional digs. I had a debrief call with the airboss
last week, Wayne (who will also airboss oshkosh) wanted to let everyone know
how professional Redstar was and in particuliar, the formation element that
aborted their takeoff when [wild bill] had to make a quick return to land he wanted
to say thanks, their quick and by the book reaction, clearing his runway
he felt really avoided a possible issue that day - great job guys whoever you
were. I asked Wayne to insure RedStar has a lower block altitude for Oshkosh,
he said he will cycle us down to the lowest block - let's hold him to that agreement
and show up in mass.
Formation:
At SunnFun this year I pounded the idea of our FAST pilots knowing the rules
and regs of flying in waivered airspace, showlines, min distances, critical wingman
and the impact this has on accurate dress and interval. Part of this desire
is the energy we are expending towards the redstar mass formation program
to put more of our pilots in the airshows as they desire. Please note we are
working on the next version of the RPA Formation Manual that includes a chapter
on this subject, we realize this is an area of RPA formation training we can
include, and should, for the airshow formation interested. Applicable chapters
(49/50) of FAA 8700 has been under the process of rewrite by the FAA for some
time, we heard of pending changes at ICAS 2003 and hear rumbling of this today.
The association should take on the responsability of getting the latest
information to members on this and incorporating critical information in to it's
training program and we will.
Sponsors and their impact on your services: Directories, Tech Bulletins, etc...
We are bringing on several minor and some major sponsors. As you know, anything
this association does is "labor intensive", sponsors allow us to execute programs
that otherwise we struggle to find the man hours to accomplish. I, and
I know you, would really like to see more direct mailed services and tools that
help the owner, a directory of updated vendors and members directories (really
vital when you break down going cross country) and a system to mass mail
quickly tech bulletins (which must come from you the members). We have a website
and ecoms to get things to you efficiently in an electronic environment, but
having the capability to fund fulfillment services to get them to you in paper
form is an end goal as well. All of these services will be made possible
by the success of the RPAs sponsorship drive. If you have suggestions please email
admin@flyredstar.org or Stephen Fox, our sponsorship chairman.
ACM/BFM:
Someone mentioned why the Assoc. no longer supports ACM training, another mentioned
the association should stay out of it and stick to ownership issues. Folks,
the assoc has never had a formal training program and I have followed the
associations history, and inspected it's documents, since its "club" inception
in 1993. The association does not restrict owners on what flight activities
they indulge in. The Associations current position, based on a board of director
vote, is focusing it's energy in such areas as improving the formation training
program, expanding event support, fielding a members magazine, determing
ways to pay for expanded fulfillment services, etc. I attended the NWOC in
Florida this year and was exposed to the current climate concerning ACM and
warbirds among signatories and the FAA, I later met for a face to face with one
of our largest insurance underwriters (not the broker) to gain a clear understanding
of where they stand (more later). What
you do as an individual is no concern for your association, however, what the
RPA does as your pilots association may impact every owner - and the board of
directors is doing what they responsably believe is the right thing to support
everyones ownership in this community. And as you know, our insurance brokers
who represent the underwriters are also members and fin. sponsors of the association
and we appreciate that support. Our events are public gatherings, they
are not conducted in secret - what your association does is there for the world
to see. The reason the RPA does not ramp up an ACM training program, which
again, the association at large has never done, is for several reasons: 1)
Your basic formation program as it now sits is not designed to prepare pilots
for that activity - it is not as comprehensive as US military flight school basic
to advanced formation training and the program would need to be flushed out
to give the basic skill set training first
(email me and I will give you more specifics) - to do otherwise would be putting
the cart before the horse as an association wide effort. I hope you can understand
that fielding an advanced training program like this for the association
would not be focused at the few civilian pilots who have read "Air Combat"
cover to cover twice, but would be open to all members and must be designed for
all. We are expanding the formation training program and making it more comprehnsive,
but that labor intensive effort is not designed to prepare folks for
"dog fighting", its to make our members better, safer and more capable formation
pilots 2) The underwriter has made it very clear that if this association
hosts ACM training clinics and you approach them to include dog fighting on
your policy, they will apparently refuse to cover such activity. If your association
did it anyways (yes, said one thing to protect your insurance coverage
and did another thing...), and there was an
issue, then we all have an integrity issue to deal with - the association may
lose a sponsor, and you may certainly loose your policy (will they fight you to
not cover your loss, medical bills or whatever because they became aware that
the event you attended was a publically advertised "dog fighting clinic" - who's
to say, probably more economical to cover the loss than a court fight - lawyers
aren't getting any cheaper), and would the underwriters would think about
applying a premium on all Yak and CJ owners insurance policies for this perceived
"high risk" community, would this effect our current insurance boker-sponsors
that help bring needed services asked for by the majority of owners - would
the RedStar Magazine be cancelled or heavily scaled back for all members
as we have to work to find other ways to generate the capitol to pay for it's
projected $9000 production bill - or raise everyones dues to something like $70-90
a year (by the way, sponsorship does not drive
the decisions, but we might as well factor in all negaitves and positives to a
decision). I'm sure that the majority of RPA members, and we are working on
a member wide questionnair, would appreciate it if the association does not help,
in any way, of landing their aircraft in the boresights of the FAA mandated
inspection programs that were covered in such gruesome detail for the T-34 and
T-6 at NWOC this year. And as I said, the association has no ACM program ready
and its current formation program does not address the subject or prepare
the aviators for that program. So for many reasons, training, insurance, FAA,
manpower, volunteer manhours, money, etc -the last board and the new board will
have to carefully consider the positives and negatives for all owners, of
taking on such an effort for a segment of those owners. And as I mentioned, what
I do in my CJ I'm partnering in here in Florida is up to me, the association
has no governing power over what I do with it.
Things may change in the future, and ultimately it's up to the voice of the majority
of owner-members and a board vote. In 1994 the club put out a questionnaire
that refected that a vast majority wanted to learn formation training -
the result of that was thousands of manhours of labor were expended to get us
from there to here. That process is not complete. I am putting together a questionnaire
for us now, this will help the new board understand which programs
are most valued/desired by members....
I'm sure there is plenty of response about ACM, email me off list if you have
a burning comment or opinion for me please, otherwise I may miss the list.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Fly often - fly safe folks,
Drew
Drew A. Blahnick
RPA President
305.803.9158
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| Subject: | Re: Raptors Rule |
#! there is no one that has this capability
#2 we would send just two
Smash
Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com> wrote:
You may have the best, most capable
weapons system going but when it's 100 migs vs. 2
eagles/raptors/superbugz/vipers etc. YOU ARE GOING TO
LOSE. And then they're gonna drive in and bugger the
AWACS.
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Cc: "Alex Harwick" <alex_harwick@yahoo.com>
| Subject: | Red Air Tacticle Clinic - May 19-20 |
The Red Air Tactical clinic that was being worked for May 19-20 at 08A (Wetumpka,
Al) is cancelled for now.
There is a fly-in at Gulf Shores that has taken higher priority as well as a number
of the previously scheduled participants.
It may be rescheduled for the June time frame or done with the Red Air Fall Fling
in Oct.
Sorry,
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
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| Subject: | RE: Russians vs. Smash |
Mark -
We are talking from a different perspective. I am talking from a fiscal perspective.
While individual pilots in Russia may kick my ass, they are not funded
to play with their toys the way we are. Anytime you are in any military intel
briefing, this will be in the discussion if you are talking tactics. I didn't
make this up, this has been a fact long before I was ever in the military.
They have the nice toys and good pilots, but no $$ to be as good as US/Brit pilots.
That is an undisputable fact. Sorry you thought it was bravado. I don't
have time for ego, I deal in reality.
Smash
Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil> wrote:
I was surprised to see Smash say what she did about the Russians. Sergei
would toast her cookies in any 1 v 1 she ever got the balls to fly in. I have
flown with our fighter pilots... and I have flown with him. He'd eat them
alive.
I've have met other Russian pilots. I have seen them fly. They are fearless,
aggressive, loyal, and I respect the SHIT out of them, and would be seriously
concerned about going head to head with them in anything other than the F-22.
Their new Sukhoi beats the F-16 as the F-16 does an F-4 Phantom.
My comments are based on my personal observations and personal interactions with
Russians met in the Aerobatic and YAK world. Not on any material I have come
across in my job. It it was, it would not be talked about here ... at ALL.
Notice, I do not talk about Electronic Warfare.
Mark
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| Subject: | RE: Russians vs. Smash....again |
Mark -
This was written in reference to NEW equipment and actions of both nations SINCE
the end of the Cold War, and based on our tactics and how we employ and oh yeah.....the
fact that they just don't have the DOD budget that we do.
Smash
Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil> wrote:
Sarah Tobin [aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com]wrote:
>The new Suk will only be a threat to the US and Brits if
>US and/or Brit pilots are flying them. Russia does not
>have the resourses to fly and train the way we do and are
>therefore not effective with their technology.
And I am sure that every American and British pilot past and present would
agree with your assessment, with the possible exception of those that
actually DID go 1 V 1 with Russians in Korea and were subsequently shot down.
Hmmm.... a few in Vietnam also came to that same conclusion.
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Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com> wrote: --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim
Gagnon"
Smash,
The flyers always get the glory for a mission, but my heroes over there were our
maintenance folks. Working on a ramp where temps reached over 120'F and they
did it with a smile.
-You got that right, when we were kicking back in the movie tent they were still
workin!
Only a few small 20mm's in the outer panel of a wing after six engagements. Nothing
the sheet metal guys could not fix on a smoke break. We just slowed way down.
-Yeah, good thing it was the vipers that got you, I imagine 30mm hurt worse!
:) Should've just slowed down *before* they shot you and let them fly right
by! :) okay, so that was a bad quote from Top Gun...hehe
Smash
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Problem is it is the slammer that gets 'em. The gun was just for effect.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
Sent: 4/20/2006 1:53:49 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: BFM/ACM
Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon"
Smash,
The flyers always get the glory for a mission, but my heroes over there were our
maintenance folks. Working on a ramp where temps reached over 120'F and they
did it with a smile.
-You got that right, when we were kicking back in the movie tent they were still
workin!
Only a few small 20mm's in the outer panel of a wing after six engagements. Nothing
the sheet metal guys could not fix on a smoke break. We just slowed way down.
-Yeah, good thing it was the vipers that got you, I imagine 30mm hurt worse! :)
Should've just slowed down *before* they shot you and let them fly right by!
:) okay, so that was a bad quote from Top Gun...hehe
Smash
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
[quote="viperdoc(at)mindspring.co"]Problem is it is the slammer that gets 'em.
The gun was just for effect.
Doc
> ---
They tried that too! No joy. Then they tried a heater..no luck either. Then the
trusty gun.....
We have our own little ways of avoiding death. Plus I could have just opened the
top hatch and thrown a box lunch or a travel voucher down the intake and finished
it right there.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29703#29703
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| Subject: | Re: Raptors Rule |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
I have tremendous respect for the abilities of many nations air forces. I do not
think we have cornered the market on skilled air crews. I do think we have a
better overall package that is needed for a full up air battle.
Get the fight down to just the pointy noses, then all bets are off.
By the way, there is a local guy here who was a Ukranian MiG-21 driver and him
and I have talked in length about how they did things compared to how the US operates.
We broke it down to tactics, support and airframes. It would have been
nice to have some fighter types around but it was still a very interesting talk.
Anyway, if you dont respect the guy on your scope or on your six, things are going
to go badly for you.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29709#29709
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
I've seen you tricks...pretty blinding!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/20/2006 3:33:45 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: BFM/ACM
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> [quote="viperdoc(at)mindspring.co"]Problem is it is the slammer that gets
'em. The gun was just for effect.
> Doc
>
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> > ---
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>
> They tried that too! No joy. Then they tried a heater..no luck either.
Then the trusty gun.....
>
> We have our own little ways of avoiding death. Plus I could have just
opened the top hatch and thrown a box lunch or a travel voucher down the
intake and finished it right there.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29703#29703
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Problem (YAK-50) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
I printed this and took it to the mechanics and as soon as I walked in the door,
they yelled the found the problem...and it was the fuse.
Now, I head down to the local electric store and lie to them that this for a Russian
Generator (I learned this after mentioning airplane a few times and being
told no thanks). They did not have anything but McMaster has a butt load of
fuses. I just need to figure out which one I need.
Thanks for your help.
http://www.mcmaster.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29729#29729
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| Subject: | RE: Russians vs. Smash |
Smash,
I have been in Intell Briefings from 1969 until present day. In all
reality, let me please retract any comments about who would kick who's ass
in a dog fight. They were unnecessary and uncalled for. I apologize.
As for briefing tactics, I am very well aware of what is briefed. But I
have this annoying habit of not always believing everything I am told. More
annoying than that, I tend to believe what I personally experience rather
than treat intell as some sort of gospel. That's just my perspective, but
you know what? You want to bet the farm on the accuracy of the Intell that
is being fed to you.... please.... go right ahead. Excuse me if I do not.
I have talked at length to various Russians about how their pilot programs
work. How a pilot could start out, which direction he would end up going
and how, and once in the military, how they trained. Most of the Russians
that are not American citizens LOVE to talk to you about these very things.
Thus I have come to believe that the only "undisputable fact" is that anyone
who relies on "Intell" to be perfectly accurate is making a really big
mistake, and this is most especially true when it comes time for people to
actually start shooting bullets at each other. How many Russian pilots have
you flown with or talked to Smash?
Take care,
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:18 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Russians vs. Smash
Mark -
We are talking from a different perspective. I am talking from a fiscal
perspective. While individual pilots in Russia may kick my ass, they are
not funded to play with their toys the way we are. Anytime you are in any
military intel briefing, this will be in the discussion if you are talking
tactics. I didn't make this up, this has been a fact long before I was ever
in the military.
They have the nice toys and good pilots, but no $$ to be as good as US/Brit
pilots. That is an undisputable fact. Sorry you thought it was bravado. I
don't have time for ego, I deal in reality.
Smash
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| Subject: | RE: Russians vs. Smash....again |
Smash, et. al.,
My comments were written based on previous factual history where the
Russians were flying against some of the best pilots in the world and still
managed to come out on top. (WW-II) The fact that it is only now coming out
that during Korea, a large amount of our losses came not from Korean pilots,
but from some of the best Russian pilots available. And, that it is just now
starting to be known that during Vietnam, when we suffered one heck of a lot
of losses, we were once again going up against Russian pilots.
I was not around for WW-II or Korea. I was in Vietnam. The briefings we
got (in premise) matched a lot of what you are speaking of today. We later
learned from getting our asses shot to hell there at the beginning that
somebody was a lot better than they were supposed to be, and we weren't as
good as we THOUGHT we were.
Now we are at the end of the Cold War. The Russians are not even supposed
to HAVE a budget, let alone much else... but even with this "known good
Intell", they have managed to produce an aircraft with unbelievable
performance parameters, and it is a ton cheaper to produce than the F-22
thank you very much.
But... you say that once again our tactics and our budget will rule the day.
Why? Because someone told you so.
Ok... so we are at an impasse. You believe we rule all that we survey. I
am a LOT more cautious. I hope it never comes to finding out which one of
us is right or wrong... and that we continue to put our best up against
Third World nations and pat ourselves on the back for kicking their asses.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:26 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Russians vs. Smash....again
Mark -
This was written in reference to NEW equipment and actions of both nations
SINCE the end of the Cold War, and based on our tactics and how we employ
and oh yeah.....the fact that they just don't have the DOD budget that we
do.
Smash
Sarah Tobin [aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com]wrote:
>The new Suk will only be a threat to the US and Brits if
>US and/or Brit pilots are flying them. Russia does not
>have the resources to fly and train the way we do and are
>therefore not effective with their technology.
And I am sure that every American and British pilot past and present would
agree with your assessment, with the possible exception of those that
actually DID go 1 V 1 with Russians in Korea and were subsequently shot
down.
Hmmm.... a few in Vietnam also came to that same conclusion.
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Problem (YAK-50) |
You're welcome.
It happened to me after landing at Kissimmee Florida in July. Borrowed a
meter and spent the whole evening finding that dang thing. Glad to have
saved you and your mechanics the aggravation.
Mark
n50yk
p.s. Tim, the AMP rating of the fuse is written right on it. I am sure it
was either 20 or 30 amps. You do have an alternative that makes a lot of
sense... leave the freaking fuse OUT of the thing and replace it with an
American circuit breaker. Standard 28 volt type found at just about every
Air Force base in the country. If you still can not find the rating of that
fuse... let me know... I have the old one sitting around someplace.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Electrical Problem (YAK-50)
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
I printed this and took it to the mechanics and as soon as I walked in the
door, they yelled the found the problem...and it was the fuse.
Now, I head down to the local electric store and lie to them that this for a
Russian Generator (I learned this after mentioning airplane a few times and
being told no thanks). They did not have anything but McMaster has a butt
load of fuses. I just need to figure out which one I need.
Thanks for your help.
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| Subject: | Russians Vs Smash |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
One Iraqi driver in a antiquated Mig-25 from a 3rd
world airforce with no budget and probably less ACM
training than the average UPT student still managed to
drop in on the six of a flight of F-18's during Gulf
War One and smoke Lt. Scott Speicher.
AWACS thought he was a coalition aircraft OR never
even processed that he was there to begin with. The
Mig driver got away clean.
And up to now I bet Ya'll thought we had no air to
air losses in Gulf war one. Think again. Some may
argue about what really happened but that Speicher was
bagged by a -25 was the unanimous opinion of the Jocks
at Beaufort and Oceana, and the subject was covered in
unclassified reports.
And Smash, The Indian Air force DID overwhelm our
guys with numbers and sneaky tactics, and not just
once but several times.
-Robert Starnes
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| Subject: | what is this doing on the list |
Isn't there another list where you can keep this stupid I can beat you thing going.
This is getting old and stupid.
Frank CJ6-A N23021
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| Subject: | Re: what is this doing on the list |
On Apr 20, 2006, at 8:41 PM, Frank Stelwagon wrote:
> Isn't there another list where you can keep this stupid I can beat
> you thing going. This is getting old and stupid.
>
> Frank CJ6-A N23021
>
Amen to that brother!
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| Subject: | Re: Russians Vs Smash |
Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. I still look at the percentages and
we win! :) I didn't say we didn't lose Scott Sp. or anybody else, there are
always casualities, but I don't think that anyone is as well trained as our
US armed forces pilots. Sorry.
Smash
Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes
One Iraqi driver in a antiquated Mig-25 from a 3rd
world airforce with no budget and probably less ACM
training than the average UPT student still managed to
drop in on the six of a flight of F-18's during Gulf
War One and smoke Lt. Scott Speicher.
AWACS thought he was a coalition aircraft OR never
even processed that he was there to begin with. The
Mig driver got away clean.
And up to now I bet Ya'll thought we had no air to
air losses in Gulf war one. Think again. Some may
argue about what really happened but that Speicher was
bagged by a -25 was the unanimous opinion of the Jocks
at Beaufort and Oceana, and the subject was covered in
unclassified reports.
And Smash, The Indian Air force DID overwhelm our
guys with numbers and sneaky tactics, and not just
once but several times.
-Robert Starnes
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| Subject: | RE: Russians vs. Smash....again |
Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil> wrote: I was
in Vietnam. The briefings we got (in premise) matched a lot of what you are speaking
of today. We later learned from getting our asses shot to hell there at
the beginning that somebody was a lot better than they were supposed to be,
and we weren't as good as we THOUGHT we were.
- Unfortunately you also had idiots in Washington calling alot of your targets
too, that is not the way to fight a war, let pilots do what pilots KNOW how
to do.
The Russians are not even supposed to HAVE a budget, let alone much else...
but even with this "known good Intell", they have managed to produce an aircraft
with unbelievable performance parameters, and it is a ton cheaper to produce
than the F-22 thank you very much.
- Got no argument from me there, I think it's a waste and you can add the JSF
to the list of wasted money if you ask me.
But... you say that once again our tactics and our budget will rule the day.
Why? You believe we rule all that we survey.
- Never said we were perfect, just that we are the best...just like our form
of government...it ain't perfect, but it's the best there is in the world.
Smash
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| Subject: | RE: Russians vs. Smash |
Honestly, I don't even know why this is a discusion, but since here it is...I just
spent the last three years of my life at NORAD, where before 9-11, the only
thing we did was watch for bad guys (FSU aircraft) coming over the pole. Rather
than drop that mission, we just expanded it to the domestic air side as well.
Now, I think that gives me at least oh, I don't know...an ounce of credibility
as far as knowing how much Russians do and do not fly. We are "friends"
now, but we still keep them honest if you get me what I mean.
As far as intel goes, you are right, it is only as reliable as the source. But,
what you can draw from intel is trends. Are they doing routine mx on the
nuke site, why yes, it's Monday at 8am, or wait a second, they don't normally
open the doors on a Friday, maybe we should up the pucker factor a notch.
I am sorry that you have taken this so personally, but I am merely trying to
state facts as they exist today. They just don't get the sorties we do or the
numbers we do. Yes, they have incredible machines and I hope that the next air
war we fight they will take those incredible a/c and use them to help us schwack
the real bad guys out there.
Again, don't know why this became a pissing contest, about who has flown with
who etc....in fact I am pretty sure that is one of the things you were complaining
about in your earlier post...bravado? Haven't flown with any, talked with
several FSU pilots, but none that were actually born in what is today Russia,
except when the head of their version of Defense Secretary visited us at NORAD,
but he wasn't too interested in idle chit chat and we were too busy make
sure we didn't have anything classified lying about.
So, if it will make every one happy again, I will say that I hope no other country
either Russia or India or Iraq or anybody ever shoots at me cuz they are
all shit hot pilots and all potentially better than the fighters that are protecting
me as a big fat kid in the sky. Was that politically correct enough?
Sorry, had to be a smart alec! But really, I don't want them shooting at me,
I heard that hurts.
Smash
Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil> wrote:
Smash,
I have been in Intell Briefings from 1969 until present day. In all reality,
let me please retract any comments about who would kick who's ass in a dog fight.
They were unnecessary and uncalled for. I apologize.
As for briefing tactics, I am very well aware of what is briefed. But I have
this annoying habit of not always believing everything I am told. More annoying
than that, I tend to believe what I personally experience rather than treat
intell as some sort of gospel. That's just my perspective, but you know what?
You want to bet the farm on the accuracy of the Intell that is being fed to
you.... please.... go right ahead. Excuse me if I do not.
I have talked at length to various Russians about how their pilot programs work.
How a pilot could start out, which direction he would end up going and how,
and once in the military, how they trained. Most of the Russians that are
not American citizens LOVE to talk to you about these very things.
Thus I have come to believe that the only "undisputable fact" is that anyone
who relies on "Intell" to be perfectly accurate is making a really big mistake,
and this is most especially true when it comes time for people to actually start
shooting bullets at each other. How many Russian pilots have you flown with
or talked to Smash?
Take care,
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Russians vs. Smash |
Smash and the rest of you perpetuating this thread - would you please be kind enough
take it off the Yak List! This is getting ridiculous and clearly not related
to anything pertaining to Yak's or CJ's.
Thank you
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Russians vs. Smash
Honestly, I don't even know why this is a discusion, but since here it is...I
just spent the last three years of my life at NORAD, where before 9-11, the only
thing we did was watch for bad guys (FSU aircraft) coming over the pole. Rather
than drop that mission, we just expanded it to the domestic air side as
well. Now, I think that gives me at least oh, I don't know...an ounce of credibility
as far as knowing how much Russians do and do not fly. We are "friends"
now, but we still keep them honest if you get me what I mean.
As far as intel goes, you are right, it is only as reliable as the source. But,
what you can draw from intel is trends. Are they doing routine mx on the
nuke site, why yes, it's Monday at 8am, or wait a second, they don't normally
open the doors on a Friday, maybe we should up the pucker factor a notch.
I am sorry that you have taken this so personally, but I am merely trying to
state facts as they exist today. They just don't get the sorties we do or the
numbers we do. Yes, they have incredible machines and I hope that the next air
war we fight they will take those incredible a/c and use them to help us schwack
the real bad guys out there.
Again, don't know why this became a pissing contest, about who has flown with
who etc....in fact I am pretty sure that is one of the things you were complaining
about in your earlier post...bravado? Haven't flown with any, talked with
several FSU pilots, but none that were actually born in what is today Russia,
except when the head of their version of Defense Secretary visited us at NORAD,
but he wasn't too interested in idle chit chat and we were too busy make
sure we didn't have anything classified lying about.
So, if it will make every one happy again, I will say that I hope no other country
either Russia or India or Iraq or anybody ever shoots at me cuz they are
all shit hot pilots and all potentially better than the fighters that are protecting
me as a big fat kid in the sky. Was that politically correct enough?
Sorry, had to be a smart alec! But really, I don't want them shooting at me,
I heard that hurts.
Smash
Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil> wrote:
Smash,
I have been in Intell Briefings from 1969 until present day. In all reality,
let me please retract any comments about who would kick who's ass in a dog
fight. They were unnecessary and uncalled for. I apologize.
As for briefing tactics, I am very well aware of what is briefed. But I have
this annoying habit of not always believing everything I am told. More annoying
than that, I tend to believe what I personally experience rather than treat
intell as some sort of gospel. That's just my perspective, but you know what?
You want to bet the farm on the accuracy of the Intell that is being fed
to you.... please.... go right ahead. Excuse me if I do not.
I have talked at length to various Russians about how their pilot programs
work. How a pilot could start out, which direction he would end up going and
how, and once in the military, how they trained. Most of the Russians that are
not American citizens LOVE to talk to you about these very things.
Thus I have come to believe that the only "undisputable fact" is that anyone
who relies on "Intell" to be perfectly accurate is making a really big mistake,
and this is most especially true when it comes time for people to actually
start shooting bullets at each other. How many Russian pilots have you flown
with or talked to Smash?
Take care,
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
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| Subject: | Tool Needed for CJ6a |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "mgdimarco" <mgdimarco@yahoo.com>
Anyone got a line on a spanner wrench for prop removal? For that matter, how about
an entire tool kit for the CJ or Yak?
Thanks
--------
Michael Di Marco
China Blue
407-348-4798
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=29784#29784
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| Subject: | Re: Russians vs. Smash |
Trust me I'm done.
Sorry, thought it was a constructive conversation at first. Too bad it degenerated
into something that doesn't even make sense anymore.
Smash
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Smash and the rest of you perpetuating this thread - would you please
be kind enough take it off the Yak List! This is getting ridiculous and clearly
not related to anything pertaining to Yak's or CJ's.
Thank you
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Air.....in an emergency. |
Tank was completely empty. I don't have a gauge to tell you how empty, but I couldn't
get a single blade to turn and the air dump didn't have any air to dump.
Yup no prob starting it up on pure nitro, after all you breathe 79% of it.
Throw the spears, getting used to it now....
Smash
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Smash,
Was your air tank completely empty or did you have some air left in it? If there
was air in it, how many ATM's. There have been numerous discussions on the
List as to whether the M14P will start on pure nitrogen vs. a mixture of Nitrogen
and breathing air. I really don't want to open up that can of worms again.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air.....in an emergency.
Well, since this *just* happened to me...ask the mx dudes for Nitrogen. Filled
up the tank and the booger started right up.
Smash
Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon"
Say your out on a cross country with one leg home and you have stoped for gas.
You get back to the airplane and for some reason your air supply is gone.
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Russians vs. Smash |
Thank You Dennis:
Would you children with your junk go find another sandbox to play in, You
are turning this into a "CB RADIO CHANNEL" and that is kind of trash that ruined
that mode of communication.. This was not ment for your childish Jibber..
Not One of You people are going to shoot down anyone with Your 52's, or CJ's,
so PLEASE GO AWAY, unless You have something to contribute the the purpose that
this site was created for...
Gary Gabbard
Las Vegas, NV.
CJ N22YK
-------------- Original message from "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>:
--------------
Smash and the rest of you perpetuating this thread - would you please be kind enough
take it off the Yak List! This is getting ridiculous and clearly not related
to anything pertaining to Yak's or CJ's.
Thank you
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Russians vs. Smash
Honestly, I don't even know why this is a discusion, but since here it is...I just
spent the last three years of my life at NORAD, where before 9-11, the only
thing we did was watch for bad guys (FSU aircraft) coming over the pole. Rather
than drop that mission, we just expanded it to the domestic air side as well.
Now, I think that gives me at least oh, I don't know...an ounce of credibility
as far as knowing how much Russians do and do not fly. We are "friends"
now, but we still keep them honest if you get me what I mean.
As far as intel goes, you are right, it is only as reliable as the source. But,
what you can draw from intel is trends. Are they doing routine mx on the nuke
site, why yes, it's Monday at 8am, or wait a second, they don't normally open
the doors on a Friday, maybe we should up the pucker factor a notch.
I am sorry that you have taken this so personally, but I am merely trying to state
facts as they exist today. They just don't get the sorties we do or the numbers
we do. Yes, they have incredible machines and I hope that the next air
war we fight they will take those incredible a/c and use them to help us schwack
the real bad guys out there.
Again, don't know why this became a pissing contest, about who has flown with who
etc....in fact I am pretty sure that is one of the things you were complaining
about in your earlier post...bravado? Haven't flown with any, talked with
several FSU pilots, but none that were actually born in what is today Russia,
except when the head of their version of Defense Secretary visited us at NORAD,
but he wasn't too interested in idle chit chat and we were too busy make sure
we didn't have anything classified lying about.
So, if it will make every one happy again, I will say that I hope no other country
either Russia or India or Iraq or anybody ever shoots at me cuz they are all
shit hot pilots and all potentially better than the fighters that are protecting
me as a big fat kid in the sky. Was that politically correct enough? Sorry,
had to be a smart alec! But really, I don't want them shooting at me, I
heard that hurts.
Smash
Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil> wrote:
Smash,
I have been in Intell Briefings from 1969 until present day. In all reality, let
me please retract any comments about who would kick who's ass in a dog fight.
They were unnecessary and uncalled for. I apologize.
As for briefing tactics, I am very well aware of what is briefed. But I have this
annoying habit of not always believing everything I am told. More annoying
than that, I tend to believe what I personally experience rather than treat
intell as some sort of gospel. That's just my perspective, but you know what?
You want to bet the farm on the accuracy of the Intell that is being fed to you....
please.... go right ahead. Excuse me if I do not.
I have talked at length to various Russians about how their pilot programs work.
How a pilot could start out, which direction he would end up going and how,
and once in the military, how they trained. Most of the Russians that are not
American citizens LOVE to talk to you about these very things.
Thus I have come to believe that the only "undisputable fact" is that anyone who
relies on "Intell" to be perfectly accurate is making a really big mistake,
and this is most especially true when it comes time for people to actually start
shooting bullets at each other. How many Russian pilots have you flown with
or talked to Smash?
Take care,
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
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<!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
Thank You Dennis:
Would you children with your junk go find another sandbox to play in, You are
turning this into a "CB RADIO CHANNEL" andthat is kind of trashthat ruined that
mode of communication.. This was not ment for your childish Jibber.. Not One
of You people are going to shoot down anyone with Your 52's, or CJ's, so PLEASE
GO AWAY, unless You have something to contribute the the purpose that this
site was created for...
Gary Gabbard
Las Vegas, NV.
CJ N22YK
-------------- Original message from "A. Dennis Savarese" dsavarese@elmore.rr.com:
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Smash and the rest of you perpetuating this thread - would you please be kind enoughtake
it off the Yak List! This is getting ridiculous and clearly not related
to anything pertaining to Yak's or CJ's.
Thank you
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <A title=aerobaticgirl@yahoo.com ">Sarah Tobin
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:09 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Russians vs. Smash
Honestly, I don't even know why this is a discusion, but since here it is...I just
spent the last three years of my life at NORAD, where before 9-11, the only
thing we did was watch for bad guys (FSU aircraft) coming over the pole.Rather
than drop that mission, we just expandedit to the domestic air side as well.
Now, I think that gives me at least oh, I don't know...an ounce of credibility
as far as knowing how much Russians do and do not fly. We are "friends" now,
but we still keep them honest if you get me what I mean.
As far as intel goes, you are right, it is only as reliable as the source. But,
what you can draw from intel is trends. Are they doing routine mx on the nuke
site, why yes, it's Monday at 8am, or wait a second, they don't normally open
the doors on a Friday, maybe we should up the pucker factor a notch.
I am sorry that you have taken this so personally, but I am merely trying to state
facts as they exist today. They just don't get the sorties we do or the numbers
we do. Yes, they have incredible machines and I hope that the next air war
we fight they will take those incredible a/c and use them to help us schwack
the real bad guys out there.
Again, don't know why this became a pissing contest, about who has flown with who
etc....in fact I am pretty sure that is one of the things you were complaining
about in your earlier post...bravado? Haven't flown with any, talked with
several FSU pilots, but none that were actually born in what is today Russia,
except when the head of their version of Defense Secretary visited us at NORAD,
but he wasn't too interested inidle chit chat and we were too busy make sure
we didn't have anything classified lying about.
So, if it will make every one happy again, I will say that I hope no other country
either Russia or India or Iraq or anybody ever shoots at me cuz they are all
shit hot pilots and all potentially better than the fighters that are protecting
me as a big fat kid in the sky. Was that politically correct enough? Sorry,
had to be a smart alec! But really,I don't want them shooting at me, I heard
that hurts.
Smash
Bitterlich GS11 Mark G BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil wrote:
<META content="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2658.34" name=Generator>
Smash,
I have been in Intell Briefings from 1969 until present day. In all reality, let
me please retract any comments about who would kick who's ass in a dog fight.
They were unnecessary and uncalled for. I apologize.
As for briefing tactics, I am very well aware of what is briefed. But I have this
annoying habit of not always believing everything I am told. More annoying
than that, I tend to believe what I personally experience rather than treat intell
as some sort of gospel. That's just my perspective, but you know what? You
want to bet the farm on the accuracy of the Intell that is being fed to you....
please.... go right ahead. Excuse me if I do not.
I have talked at length to various Russians about how their pilot programs work.
How a pilot could start out, which direction he would end up going and how,
and once in the military, how they trained. Most of the Russians that are not
American citizens LOVE to talk to you about these very things.
Thus I have come to believe that the only "undisputable fact" is that anyone who
relies on "Intell" to be perfectly accurate is making a really big mistake,
and this is most especially true when it comes time for people to actually start
shooting bullets at each other. How many Russian pilots have you flown with
or talked to Smash?
Take care,
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
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| Subject: | Scott Crossfield |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
When I was a kid in the aftermath of the Big One, when jets were dangerous
New Things and rockets had men for guidance systems, I read avidly about the
exploits of Bill Bridgeman, Joe Walker, Al White, Mel Apt and many
others--real heroes forging new paths in engineering and
aeronautics--dreaming that some day I would do the same. I, too, wanted to
be an experimental test pilot, the guy in the pointy end, a renaissance man
of aeronautics, part engineer, part Leonardo, part athlete, part warrior, a
man of intellect, daring and skill.
Scott Crossfield was one of my heroes. I'm a Seattle boy and he had studied
aeronautical engineering at the University of Washington, in my home town.
Boeing was a bomber and airliner factory, it was the Cold War, Seattle was a
hard core airplane town and us kids designed and built tons of models, read
the books and magazines, drew pictures of airplanes all day long in school
and thought "Strategic Air Command" was the best movie ever made. We all
wanted to fly. I even had a hobby shop in the basement because no store
would stock the stuff we needed to build competition models. My AMA number
was 10124. We were boy engineers, control line and free flight test pilots,
too poor to afford radio control, longing to grow up and do the real thing.
Two airplanes really caught my attention: the F-104 and the X-15. Those
were the airplanes I hoped to fly someday, or more powerful, faster, higher
flying successors. I wanted to go Mach 6, too.
Years later, dreams partly fulfilled, watching and listening to Crossfield
on TV describing test running the XR-99 rocket engine in the X-15, the first
throttleable rocket engine, he again personified my idea of what a pilot and
man should be. He told a story that went something like "the airplane is
firmly chained to the ground, they strap you into the cockpit, get
everything prepared and then all go inside a concrete block house before you
actually fire the thing off. This is called building the confidence of the
pilot." Code words describing the potential for violent death that awaited
the unlucky, unprepared or less skilled. "The Right Stuff" wasn't just the
title of a book or movie, it was what you hoped would keep you alive and
Scott Crossfield was the man on the leading edge of the the greatest
adventure ever.
You've seen the film: after they all go to the block house, Crossfield
fires the XR-99. Everything seems to be going well, then it looks like he's
throttling it back, but the fire sputters and goes out. After what seems
like a very long pause, the whole thing blows up in no uncertain way.
Miraculously, Crossfield was unhurt. A crewman, mistakenly thinking
Crossfield was in great danger and probably seriously injured, rushed to the
cockpit. Crossfield tried to wave him off, he was OK, but the crewman
opened the canopy with bare hands, suffering terrible burns and dragged
Crossfield to "safety."
Later, during an early test flight, he encountered control problems and had
to return to land, still heavy with fuel. On final approach he got into
serious pitch PIO, finally landing on the skids attached to the aft fuselage
then the nose slammed to the ground and the fuselage broke in two just
behind the cockpit. Again, Crossfield was unhurt.
When the Wright brothers centennial came around there was Crossfield again,
working on a replica. He was at Oshkosh. He was in Seattle at the Museum
of Flight. He was on TV. After almost fifty years, almost forgotten, he
had made his way back into the spotlight. He owned a Cessna 210.
I was in the hangar when a friend came by to ask if I knew who Scott
Crossfield was. Yes, I knew who he was, why? He was dead. Killed in an
airplane accident, no details. When I checked my email later, EAA had a
bulletin saying it was true. Killed in his 210. He was 84.
A lousy way to die.
I didn't know you and you didn't know me, but you meant more to me than you could
ever know, Scott, and I will miss you, but I won't forget you.
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