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1. 05:54 AM - Re: Brian- Stick Around (Ron Davis)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Re: BFM/ACM (Ron Davis)
3. 06:21 AM - Raptors Rule- although the canopy costs $182,205 (Ron Davis)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Scott Crossfield (Ron Davis)
5. 09:24 AM - Ultimate Flying Trip (Sarah Tobin)
6. 09:45 AM - Re: BFM/ACM (Tim Gagnon)
7. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: BFM/ACM (Frank Stelwagon)
8. 11:36 AM - Re: Ultimate Flying Trip (Tim Gagnon)
9. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: Ultimate Flying Trip (Daniel Fortin)
10. 01:13 PM - Re: Raptors Rule- although the canopy costs $182,205 (Buzzard Aviation)
11. 01:27 PM - Re: (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) & Prop strikes (Jill Gernetzke)
12. 07:52 PM - Re: Raptors Rule- although the canopy costs $182,205 (Roger Kemp)
13. 08:15 PM - Re: Re: (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) & Prop strikes (David McGirt)
14. 08:51 PM - Re: TO ALL SUN-n-FUN Pilots (Cliff Umscheid)
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| Subject: | Re: Brian- Stick Around |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
Am I the only one having trouble picturing Brian in a class full of
testosterone-crazed 13 year olds?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Brian- Stick Around
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> NapeOne@aol.com wrote:
>> Don't be thin skinned. I, for one, very much enjoy your insightful and
>> well thought out comments. I have particularly been enlightened by your
>> comments regarding latency and ucavs.
>
> Well, I really am not being thin-skinned. I have been contemplating
> whether I am getting anything out of the Yak-list besides lost time for
> some time. As I told Jim Bernier, I get annoyed and then I become
> annoying. That doesn't help anybody. So I will focus on what is
> productive to me (the wiki) and work on other stuff that needs my time.
>
> These include:
>
> 1. new job teaching 4th-8th grade science;
> 2. new job starting a flight school;
> 3. getting married again;
> 4. buying a house at Cameron Airpark;
> 5. moving The Project to the new house;
> 6. finishing the project;
> 7. figuring out how to get a bunch of people together in the Virgin
> Islands for my son's HS graduation;
> 8. getting ready for a performance of my vocal jazz ensemble.
>
> There are probably more but that is what comes immediately to mind. ;-)
>
>> David H.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
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It doesn't surprise me that the trash haulers take most of the anti-aircraft fire.
Anyone who's very bright picks a fight he can win. Apache's have lots of
moving (vulverable) parts and can be brought down with a 7.62 round if you're
close enough, they also have lots of firepower and fancy targeting systems to
keep you from getting close enough. Trash haulers don't, plus they make a bigger
fireball.
As for world supremecy of our forces, the lesson to be learned from Vietnam was
that high tech weaponry is good against other high tech weaponry, and not so
good against pajama-clad, bamboo bridge and tunnel-building fanatics.
That was the lesson to be learned, but I'm not sure anyone learned it.
Russia didn't fare well in Afghanistan against a primitive opponent, and Isreal,
which has an air force every bit as good as ours, hasn't been very effective
at suppressing the rock-throwing Palestinians, even though their rules of engagement
allow domestic assassination and bombing of apartment complexes where
suspected terrorists reside.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: BFM/ACM
TG
I understand your frustrations. So many times in my relatively short career,
I have seen my heavy driver buds bagged on. You know...the slow fat kids *do*
always get killed at Red Flag scenarios...sorry for that, but there is a reason,
it's survival of the most important, and in the initial sweep, that is the
boys with the biggest BOTOT.
We both know that realistically, we are not going to employ that way, we will
sweep the area, get SEAD on station, then bring in the boys with the bombs.
THEN, we will bring in the heavies with the supplies etc.
Talking with several of my buds that have weathered this last war, you will all
be surprised to know that I think the "trash haulers" took the most anti-aircraft
fire than any other platform the military owns. I have two really close
buds that escaped by the hair of their chinny chin chin.
We all talk alot of smack and that is what makes us who we are. But there is
no doubt in my mind that the boys that had the hardest time since 9-11 are the
ones that we call trash haulers. I have a g'friend from OTS and UPT that bought
a house near Pope. In the 3 years she was stationed there, she Literally
spent 4 weeks there. Why? Because she was hauling troops and mail and supplies
and everything you can imagine from every remote base in the middle east you
can imagine. You talk about sacrifice...think about it...4 weeks out of 3
years you are home with your family? I don't think any AAMRAM shooter/G pullin/ACM
doing SOB can say the same. I know they can't. Yes, 200 days a year,
but NOT 4 weeks in 3 years.
Okay, so I go on and on, point is....we all need each other and I will tell you
what, if it weren't for the trash haulers (and I use that affectionately)
I wouldn't have had my gym or chow in the desert, so thank you for that!
Smash
non <NiftyYak50@msn.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon"
Logistics DRIVEs warfare, plain and simple. Airlift helps that happen. Call
us whatever you want...we are the air bridge. I have been called trash hauler
and I have been called Freedom Bird. I have taken folks in country and out. I
have carried the living and I have carried the dead. I have dropped food, medical
supplies, and Special Forces. I have been to 52 countries in ten years. I
have seen a lot of the world. All, in a C-130.
We may take forever to get anywhere but remember we can also go ANYWHERE (C-130's
that is and a some places open to the C-17). Look at the variants of the
airframe and remember the airplane has been in constant production and service
since 1954. It is the DC-3 of today and for the near future.
You may be able to replace a fighter with a UAV, try that with airlift.
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| Subject: | Raptors Rule- although the canopy costs $182,205 |
RE: Yak-List: Raptors Rule
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:39 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Raptors Rule
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| Subject: | Re: Scott Crossfield |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
I'm disillusioned to hear that aviation's greatest were hanging out with a
politician.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 7:06 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Scott Crossfield
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> Two years ago I was at OSH. I was sitting at the tables outside the WB
> building chatting with my friend Erik Lindbergh (it gets better) just
> shooting the s
&t. Then we noticed a group of older gentlemen to the side
> on
> the next table. It was Scott Crossfield, Chuck Yeager, Neil Armstrong &
> John
> Glenn. Talk about being in the presence of greatness. Both Erik and I were
> dumb struck, of course we just wanted to say hi but we held off of that
> and
> just enjoyed the moment. These guys and what they did is a large part of
> why
> I fly today.
>
> I always think that pilot is a verb not a noun. Anyone can fly a plane but
> it takes a special person to pilot a plane.
>
> You can keep all the super aircraft, all the special trips etc etc. You
> know
> when you look at something a realize how important it is from a historical
> perspective, well this was one of those moments.
>
> I am sure we will all take a couple of minutes next time we fly to say
> thanks to Scott for the inspiration he provided.
>
> Gus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 8:32 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Scott Crossfield
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
>
> Allow me to add my praise as well, a very moving and heart felt piece.
> Dennis is right, I don't think there's a writer out there who can say it
> any
> better.
>
> Steve Fox
> On Apr 21, 2006, at 7:53 AM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>>
>> Jerry,
>> THAT was very moving. You should seriously consider sending it to the
>> EAA to be published in the next Sport Aviation magazine. I doubt any
>> editor could say anything more eloquent than that about Scott
>> Crossfield.
>>
>> For those that do not know where Prattville, Alabama is, which is
>> where Scott Crossfield kept his 210, it is just north of Maxwell AFB
>> and just outside the Class D airspace, which is the Montgomery, AL
>> area.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Painter"
>> <wild.blue@verizon.net>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:21 AM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Scott Crossfield
>>
>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter"
>>> <wild.blue@verizon.net>
>>>
>>> When I was a kid in the aftermath of the Big One, when jets were
>>> dangerous New Things and rockets had men for guidance systems, I read
>>> avidly about the exploits of Bill Bridgeman, Joe Walker, Al White,
>>> Mel Apt and many others--real heroes forging new paths in engineering
>>> and aeronautics--dreaming that some day I would do the same. I, too,
>>> wanted to be an experimental test pilot, the guy in the pointy end, a
>>> renaissance man of aeronautics, part engineer, part Leonardo, part
>>> athlete, part warrior, a man of intellect, daring and skill.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Crossfield was one of my heroes. I'm a Seattle boy and he had
>>> studied aeronautical engineering at the University of Washington, in
>>> my home town.
>>> Boeing was a bomber and airliner factory, it was the Cold War,
>>> Seattle was a hard core airplane town and us kids designed and built
>>> tons of models, read the books and magazines, drew pictures of
>>> airplanes all day long in school
>>> and thought "Strategic Air Command" was the best movie ever made.
>>> We all
>>> wanted to fly. I even had a hobby shop in the basement because no
>>> store would stock the stuff we needed to build competition models.
>>> My AMA number was 10124. We were boy engineers, control line and
>>> free flight test pilots, too poor to afford radio control, longing to
>>> grow up and do the real thing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Two airplanes really caught my attention: the F-104 and the X-15.
>>> Those were the airplanes I hoped to fly someday, or more powerful,
>>> faster, higher flying successors. I wanted to go Mach 6, too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Years later, dreams partly fulfilled, watching and listening to
>>> Crossfield on TV describing test running the XR-99 rocket engine in
>>> the X-15, the first throttleable rocket engine, he again personified
>>> my idea of what a pilot and man should be. He told a story that went
>>> something like "the airplane is firmly chained to the ground, they
>>> strap you into the cockpit, get everything prepared and then all go
>>> inside a concrete block house before you actually fire the thing off.
>>> This is called building the confidence of the pilot." Code words
>>> describing the potential for violent death that awaited the unlucky,
>>> unprepared or less skilled. "The Right Stuff" wasn't just the title
>>> of a book or movie, it was what you hoped would keep you alive and
>>> Scott Crossfield was the man on the leading edge of the the greatest
>>> adventure ever.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You've seen the film: after they all go to the block house,
>>> Crossfield fires the XR-99. Everything seems to be going well, then
>>> it looks like he's throttling it back, but the fire sputters and goes
>>> out. After what seems like a very long pause, the whole thing blows
>>> up in no uncertain way.
>>> Miraculously, Crossfield was unhurt. A crewman, mistakenly thinking
>>> Crossfield was in great danger and probably seriously injured, rushed
>>> to the cockpit. Crossfield tried to wave him off, he was OK, but the
>>> crewman opened the canopy with bare hands, suffering terrible burns
>>> and dragged Crossfield to "safety."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Later, during an early test flight, he encountered control problems
>>> and had to return to land, still heavy with fuel. On final approach
>>> he got into serious pitch PIO, finally landing on the skids attached
>>> to the aft fuselage then the nose slammed to the ground and the
>>> fuselage broke in two just behind the cockpit. Again, Crossfield was
>>> unhurt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When the Wright brothers centennial came around there was Crossfield
>>> again, working on a replica. He was at Oshkosh. He was in Seattle
>>> at the Museum of Flight. He was on TV. After almost fifty years,
>>> almost forgotten, he had made his way back into the spotlight. He
>>> owned a Cessna 210.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I was in the hangar when a friend came by to ask if I knew who Scott
>>> Crossfield was. Yes, I knew who he was, why? He was dead.
>>> Killed in an
>>> airplane accident, no details. When I checked my email later, EAA
>>> had a bulletin saying it was true. Killed in his 210. He was 84.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A lousy way to die.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I didn't know you and you didn't know me, but you meant more to me
>>> than you could ever know, Scott, and I will miss you, but I won't
>>> forget you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>> wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Ultimate Flying Trip |
http://www.airjourney.com/?fuseaction=journeys.detail&id=36
Here you formation fliers go. An escorted trip over the North Atlantic to Europe.
How about the first 20 ship of Yaks ever to do it. I smell Guiness books!
Smash
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Well said Ernie.
We have always fought the next fight. I think with all the techno crap we have,
we could smoke some aliens or something. Why cant we defeat someone who puts
a bomb in the carcas of a dead dog and then sets it off using a cell phone? I
think it is because we dont (or cannot) think like them.
Thank the good Lord for the men and women with boots on the ground slugging it
out everyday. It is a much different view from above.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=30170#30170
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I thought we had beat this horse to death.
Frank N23021
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Davis
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: BFM/ACM
It doesn't surprise me that the trash haulers take most of the anti-aircraft
fire. Anyone who's very bright picks a fight he can win. Apache's have lots
of moving (vulverable) parts and can be brought down with a 7.62 round if you're
close enough, they also have lots of firepower and fancy targeting systems
to keep you from getting close enough. Trash haulers don't, plus they make a
bigger fireball.
As for world supremecy of our forces, the lesson to be learned from Vietnam was
that high tech weaponry is good against other high tech weaponry, and not so
good against pajama-clad, bamboo bridge and tunnel-building fanatics.
That was the lesson to be learned, but I'm not sure anyone learned it.
Russia didn't fare well in Afghanistan against a primitive opponent, and Isreal,
which has an air force every bit as good as ours, hasn't been very effective
at suppressing the rock-throwing Palestinians, even though their rules of engagement
allow domestic assassination and bombing of apartment complexes where
suspected terrorists reside.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: BFM/ACM
TG
I understand your frustrations. So many times in my relatively short career,
I have seen my heavy driver buds bagged on. You know...the slow fat kids *do*
always get killed at Red Flag scenarios...sorry for that, but there is a reason,
it's survival of the most important, and in the initial sweep, that is
the boys with the biggest BOTOT.
We both know that realistically, we are not going to employ that way, we will
sweep the area, get SEAD on station, then bring in the boys with the bombs.
THEN, we will bring in the heavies with the supplies etc.
Talking with several of my buds that have weathered this last war, you will
all be surprised to know that I think the "trash haulers" took the most anti-aircraft
fire than any other platform the military owns. I have two really close
buds that escaped by the hair of their chinny chin chin.
We all talk alot of smack and that is what makes us who we are. But there
is no doubt in my mind that the boys that had the hardest time since 9-11 are
the ones that we call trash haulers. I have a g'friend from OTS and UPT that
bought a house near Pope. In the 3 years she was stationed there, she Literally
spent 4 weeks there. Why? Because she was hauling troops and mail and supplies
and everything you can imagine from every remote base in the middle east
you can imagine. You talk about sacrifice...think about it...4 weeks out of
3 years you are home with your family? I don't think any AAMRAM shooter/G pullin/ACM
doing SOB can say the same. I know they can't. Yes, 200 days a year,
but NOT 4 weeks in 3 years.
Okay, so I go on and on, point is....we all need each other and I will tell
you what, if it weren't for the trash haulers (and I use that affectionately)
I wouldn't have had my gym or chow in the desert, so thank you for that!
Smash
non <NiftyYak50@msn.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon"
Logistics DRIVEs warfare, plain and simple. Airlift helps that happen. Call
us whatever you want...we are the air bridge. I have been called trash hauler
and I have been called Freedom Bird. I have taken folks in country and out.
I have carried the living and I have carried the dead. I have dropped food, medical
supplies, and Special Forces. I have been to 52 countries in ten years.
I have seen a lot of the world. All, in a C-130.
We may take forever to get anywhere but remember we can also go ANYWHERE
(C-130's that is and a some places open to the C-17). Look at the variants of
the airframe and remember the airplane has been in constant production and service
since 1954. It is the DC-3 of today and for the near future.
You may be able to replace a fighter with a UAV, try that with airlift.
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| Subject: | Re: Ultimate Flying Trip |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.co wrote:
> http://www.airjourney.com/?fuseaction=journeys.detail&id=36 (http://www.airjourney.com/?fuseaction=journeys.detail&id=36)
> ?
> Here you formation fliers go.? An escorted trip over the North Atlantic to
Europe.?? How about the first 20 ship of Yaks ever to do it.? I smell Guiness
books!
> ?
> Smash
>
I think range would become an issue. Plus my ass is an 45 minute limit on it.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=30189#30189
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| Subject: | Re: Ultimate Flying Trip |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Back in a previous life, I ferried Piper Aztecs across the Atlantic.
Definitely ranks high on the adventure list and I recommend everyone to do
it at least once in their life. Great experience and fun. Plus the quick
stop in Iceland gave me an idea for a Vacation.
Cheers,
D
>From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: Re: Ultimate Flying Trip
>Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:34:30 -0700
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
>
>aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.co wrote:
> > http://www.airjourney.com/?fuseaction=journeys.detail&id=36
>(http://www.airjourney.com/?fuseaction=journeys.detail&id=36)
> > ?
> > Here you formation fliers go.? An escorted trip over the North
>Atlantic to Europe.?? How about the first 20 ship of Yaks ever to do it.? I
>smell Guiness books!
> > ?
> > Smash
> >
> > Celebrate Earth Day everyday! Discover 10 things you can do to
>(http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/earthday/*http://earth.yahoo.com)
>
>
>I think range would become an issue. Plus my ass is an 45 minute limit on
>it.
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=30189#30189
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Raptors Rule- although the canopy costs $182,205 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Buzzard Aviation <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>Okay, I wasn't paying attention. What's the full story behind the
>cutting open of the Raptor canopy?
Happy Landings
____|____
\O/
o'o Martin Robinson
Auster AOP 9 G-BKVK (WZ662)
Yak 18T HA-YAV
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| Subject: | RE: (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) & Prop strikes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
>
> Group,
>
> I beg to disagree with the following statement: "If you know
> anything about these engines you will find that
> everyone just places a new prop on these engines and fly's away."
>
> Not all prop strikes are the same. We have been working on the M-14P
> engines since 1992. We just completed a teardown and repair on an
> engine that was purchased under the belief that "a prop strike is a
> prop strike is a prop strike". Wrong! If the engine suffers a sudden
> stoppage or a severe overspeed condition, it is likely that there is
> internal damage. The accessory shaft and its drive gears are not
> cheap.
>
> I think it is a dangerous precedent to spread this fallacy to
> unknowing customers.
>
> As a consumer, I would have the logbook translated to discover if
> there is any descriptive text of the actual prop strike. If not,
> buyer beware.
>
> On another note, we are actively repairing the Russian M-14P engines.
> We will be performing full overhauls as soon as our test stand is
> completed.
Jill Gernetzke
M-14P, Incorporated
4905 Flightline Drive
Kingman, AZ 86401
Phone: 928-681-4400
Fax: 928-681-4404
e-mail: jill@m-14p.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Raptors Rule- although the canopy costs $182,205 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Martin,
The canopy could not be opened. For a number of reasons. Have seen that up
close and personal in the Viper.
doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Buzzard Aviation <martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/23/2006 3:18:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Raptors Rule- although the canopy costs
$182,205
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Buzzard Aviation
<martin@buzzardaviation.flyer.co.uk>
>
>
> >Okay, I wasn't paying attention. What's the full story behind the
> >cutting open of the Raptor canopy?
>
> Happy Landings
> ____|____
> \O/
> o'o Martin Robinson
>
> Auster AOP 9 G-BKVK (WZ662)
> Yak 18T HA-YAV
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) & Prop |
strikes
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
Jill,
What are the chances you could post interesting and relevant preventive
maintenance tips, or anything that would help all the M14 folks take better
care of our engines? I hear 10 different ways to do any given thing on
these things, and think it would be a great value if your experience was
shared... I know it would go a long way in helping me pick who will be
overhauling my M14 or where to get my parts.. ;)
Thanks
David
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jill Gernetzke
Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 4:23 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) & Prop
strikes
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
>
> Group,
>
> I beg to disagree with the following statement: "If you know
> anything about these engines you will find that
> everyone just places a new prop on these engines and fly's away."
>
> Not all prop strikes are the same. We have been working on the M-14P
> engines since 1992. We just completed a teardown and repair on an
> engine that was purchased under the belief that "a prop strike is a
> prop strike is a prop strike". Wrong! If the engine suffers a sudden
> stoppage or a severe overspeed condition, it is likely that there is
> internal damage. The accessory shaft and its drive gears are not
> cheap.
>
> I think it is a dangerous precedent to spread this fallacy to
> unknowing customers.
>
> As a consumer, I would have the logbook translated to discover if
> there is any descriptive text of the actual prop strike. If not,
> buyer beware.
>
> On another note, we are actively repairing the Russian M-14P engines.
> We will be performing full overhauls as soon as our test stand is
> completed.
Jill Gernetzke
M-14P, Incorporated
4905 Flightline Drive
Kingman, AZ 86401
Phone: 928-681-4400
Fax: 928-681-4404
e-mail: jill@m-14p.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: TO ALL SUN-n-FUN Pilots |
Please send DVD pictures to: Cliff Umscheid / PO BOX 207/ Oak Hill, Fl.
32759. Thanks
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:28:57 -0400 "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
writes:
Please email me off list with your address, so I can send you a DVD with
all of the collective pictures and videos..
PLEASE let me know if you do NOT have a DVD Reader on your computer.. if
you do not, I will see about burning the pictures to a bunch of CDs ,
please check, as that will be a royal pain in the ass as there is ~
3.3GB of pics.. or 6 CDs vs. 1 DVD
Thanks
David
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