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1. 05:45 AM - Re: Paint Shop Blues (Jim Bernier)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: hailing all 2 seat a/c pilots in OK (Valkyre1)
3. 06:03 AM - Re: hailing all 2 seat a/c pilots in OK (Valkyre1)
4. 07:05 AM - Re: hailing all 2 seat a/c pilots in OK (Ben Marsh)
5. 07:19 AM - Re: Paint Shop Blues (ADE)
6. 07:33 AM - Re: Paint Shop Blues (Tim Gagnon)
7. 09:00 AM - formation school (Mark Jefferies YAK UK)
8. 09:21 AM - Re: formation school (Fraser, Gus)
9. 09:36 AM - Re: Importing (Jill Gernetzke)
10. 09:43 AM - Re: Re: Importing (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
11. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Importing (Fraser, Gus)
12. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: Importing (doug sapp)
13. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: Importing (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
14. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Importing (Jim Bernier)
15. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Importing (doug sapp)
16. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Importing (Fraser, Gus)
17. 12:38 PM - Re: Yak-9 video (Tim Gagnon)
18. 12:58 PM - Snowbirds at Lakeland (Craig Payne)
19. 03:07 PM - Re: hailing all 2 seat a/c pilots in OK (Roger Kemp)
20. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Importing (Lou Dakos)
21. 07:49 PM - Did anybody solve the CO-problem on a CJ yet? (tamara_b@telus.net)
22. 08:50 PM - Re: Did anybody solve the CO-problem on a CJ yet? (Roger Kemp)
23. 09:01 PM - Re: Re: Importing (Roger Baker)
24. 09:46 PM - All Red Star Five!!!! (Num1Pilot@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Shop Blues |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Craig,
I found a local automotive painter to do the job for $2000 in my hanger. Be certain
to use self etching primer. Auto paint works fine. Build scaffolding or something,
to paint over the center section, because that area came out thin on
mine due to accessability. Solve the accessibility first for all areas. You could
do it your self. (Next time I will.) It is a war bird, for me, no perfection
required. Just before painting, wipe the plane down with a good solvent in
order to remove any oils.
10 k is 8 k to much unless you want perfection. On the other side of the coin,
you may think of 10 k as an investment. But I want to show the plane to the public,
let them touch it, look inside. If I find a scratch afterward, well, so
what. If I get oil on the belly, well, so what. And my mantle over the fireplace
is to small to show it safely.
Just my two cents.
Jim B
>>> cpayne@joimail.com 05/01/06 7:37 PM >>>
Visited a local paint shop today for a quote. I do the dis-assembly/re-assembly,
stripping is done already. Quote was $9500 for 9 layer base coat/clear coat.
My knees got weak and I had to grab the pitot tube for support.
The shop owner whipped out pics of the big-iron warbirds and big names he has painted
for. Suddenly I felt a communication gap. My line was that this ain't no
historic treasure, nobody will ever hand a Commie airplane Best Warbird and
I'm just a poor boy. Message lost in translation.
I'd like to hear about some alternatives and other experiences, I'm willing to
travel if value is there. Good automotive paint will do just fine. This ain't
no P-51.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: hailing all 2 seat a/c pilots in OK |
Sarah,
Hey there lady. I can't offer you 'Chang right now because he's at Bill
Blackwell's in PHX getting long range tanks put on and Bill won't get to
him until at least after this weeks ARS in Porterville, so I'm wingless
as well.
And no, you can't buy time in him...just gas. What I can do is to make a
"Friends & Family round trip flight pass anywhere in the world on Delta
available to you. It is predicated on having a seat available, but 95%
of the time or better you always get on. I will also check for the
lightest loads for you before you go and you will be able to use the
pass until you find a flight that's open anyway.
My best friend and her husband have been going round trip to Hawaii for
about $160.00 each ( there is a small service charge.) The best thing
about these passes is that if you get on an airplane with a seat
available in first class, you can upgrade at no extra charge.
Anyway Smash, I'm wingless for awhile too, but I'd be delighted to help
you out if you can get enough time off to go somewhere and fly whatever
you like for awhile. (At the present price of fuel, I think that Delta
will be less expensive than a six hour R/T road trip anyway.)
Take Care Kiddo, and let me know what you think.
- Val
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| Subject: | Re: hailing all 2 seat a/c pilots in OK |
(Sorry Yak Listers... I meant the reply to Smash to be off-line. But now
those of you farther than a three hour drive can also make her an offer
she can't refuse) - Valkyrie
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| Subject: | hailing all 2 seat a/c pilots in OK |
You can certainly fly my -52, but Vacaville California might be a bit
too
much of a commute for you. And, my -55 restoration is still about a
year
away from flying.
Marsh
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Tobin
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: Yak-List: hailing all 2 seat a/c pilots in OK
So, since my tragedy, many sweet guys have come forth with help in the
form
of borrowing their a/c, buying their props, other 55s for sale, etc etc.
Thanks to all for that.
Since it looks like I will be waiting for awhile for the decision of the
insurance company....I am wing-less
I have some dear friends in CO that will let me fly their SU29s and
Extra
300Ls in the mean time, but no practice time between now and the
competitions they will be at with me.
So, that leads me to my question....is there anyone, anywhere within 3
hours
driving distance of OKC that will let me buy flying time off of them to
do
some light (sportsman style) acro in their 52 or CJ or anything but a
pitts!
:) I just need to get up and pull some Gs and burn off some
frustrations
over my a/c being targeted.
Of course I don't expect to fly solo in your a/c, so you will have to be
a
good "safety pilot" :)
Email me off list if this is something you would be willing to do,
thanks in
advance!
Smash
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evt
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Shop Blues |
CRAIG-- There are three excellent paint shops in Mena Arkansas one of
which will do a nice job for around $4,000.
On May 1, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
> Visited a local paint shop today for a quote. I do the
> dis-assembly/re-assembly, stripping is done already. Quote was $9500=20=
> for 9 layer base coat/clear coat. My knees got weak and I had to grab=20=
> the pitot tube for support.
>
> The shop owner whipped out pics of the big-iron warbirds and big names=20=
> he has painted for. Suddenly I felt a communication gap. My line was=20=
> that this ain't no historic treasure, nobody will ever hand=A0a Commie=20=
> airplane Best Warbird=A0and I'm just a poor boy. Message lost in
> translation.
>
> I'd like to hear about some alternatives and other experiences, I'm
> willing to travel if value is there. Good automotive paint will do
> just fine. This ain't no P-51.
>
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint Shop Blues |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
A place here in Ohio will do it for 9K and all I do is drop it off. A total of
5 colors used with some detail work as well. I have a -50 which is a bit smaller.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32299#32299
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| Subject: | formation school |
UK formation school
http://www.plus7minus5.co.uk/images/North-Weald-Spring-2006/
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| Subject: | formation school |
My old baby as lead
http://www.plus7minus5.co.uk/images/North-Weald-Spring-2006/images/DSCF1
205.JPG
No other aircraft is quite like your first.
Gus
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Jefferies
YAK UK
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:58 AM
To: 'YAK USA LIST'
Subject: Yak-List: formation school
=09
=09
UK formation school
http://www.plus7minus5.co.uk/images/North-Weald-Spring-2006/
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
Group,
A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood and
fumigation is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/
I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from Russia is
good enough. I was told no, the wood needs a special USDA stamp on
each piece. If not, you run the risk of the container being sent back
from whence it came!
The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia. They
pulled one of our container's aside. The aircraft was inspected by 2
government officials, one wieldiing a tiny paintbrush and crawling into
the tail to look for seeds. She did find a couple of dandelion seeds
on the intake at the carburetor. If they offload your aircraft there,
you are responsible for all costs and guess who gets to pay for repairs
of any damage.
Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!
Jill
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
I am aware of this new issue regarding wood fumigation also. My last
shipments just squeezed by and I was told that next time has to comply. I'm
not sure if they have treated wood in eastern Europe or exactly how to
overcome this. Anyone have suggestions??
Robert E. Schwartz
From: "Jill Gernetzke" <jill@m-14p.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Importing
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
>
> Group,
>
> A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood and
> fumigation is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/
>
> I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from Russia is
> good enough. I was told no, the wood needs a special USDA stamp on each
> piece. If not, you run the risk of the container being sent back from
> whence it came!
>
> The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia. They
> pulled one of our container's aside. The aircraft was inspected by 2
> government officials, one wieldiing a tiny paintbrush and crawling into
> the tail to look for seeds. She did find a couple of dandelion seeds on
> the intake at the carburetor. If they offload your aircraft there, you
> are responsible for all costs and guess who gets to pay for repairs of any
> damage.
>
> Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!
>
> Jill
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Sounds to me like there is a market in supplying wood to Lith & Rus ?
Interesting question, and I warn you this is likely to make your head
hurt.
Scenario
Pilot A, in Australia, wants to send an aircraft to pilot B in America.
To do so Pilot A must only use USDA wood. To get it he must order it
from the US. When the wood arrives to make the shipping jigs Australian
customs impound it as it is not the required standard for import
Can you see where this is going.....
I am now going to have a little sit down.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT
SCHWARTZ
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Importing
--> Yak-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ"
--> <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
I am aware of this new issue regarding wood fumigation also. My last
shipments just squeezed by and I was told that next time has to comply.
I'm not sure if they have treated wood in eastern Europe or exactly how
to overcome this. Anyone have suggestions??
Robert E. Schwartz
From: "Jill Gernetzke" <jill@m-14p.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Importing
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
>
> Group,
>
> A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood and
> fumigation is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/
>
> I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from Russia
> is good enough. I was told no, the wood needs a special USDA stamp on
> each piece. If not, you run the risk of the container being sent back
> from whence it came!
>
> The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia.
> They pulled one of our container's aside. The aircraft was inspected
> by 2 government officials, one wieldiing a tiny paintbrush and
> crawling into the tail to look for seeds. She did find a couple of
> dandelion seeds on the intake at the carburetor. If they offload your
> aircraft there, you are responsible for all costs and guess who gets
> to pay for repairs of any damage.
>
> Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!
>
> Jill
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Even worse is when they pull your load aside for "intensive inspection".
The container, or boxes if your load is LCL must be taken to a bonded
warehouse (yes, you get to pay for this move also). This inspection may or
may not include X-ray, a cost which you also must pay. If they think you
have contraband in your aircraft (key word here is THINK) they have the
right to use destructive methods to look where ever they want to. This
includes sawing and cutting. These folks operate with 100% immunity to any
responsibility for damage they may cause during the inspection. One
inspector in the Port of Seattle was gently trying to tell me to get out of
his face by informing me that one time in the past he felt that there might
be contraband inside a radial engine, he shrugged his shoulders and said
"but after drilling several holes I realized there was nothing there and
released the cargo". To which I told him that I had donuts and hot coffee
in my car!
I just received two new (yes, new old stock)M14B engines in from Argentina,
both in wood boxes and no fumigation cert was required. However coming out
of China all wood must be fumigated and the cert supplied with the import
docs. No stamp is required to my knowledge.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jill Gernetzke
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Importing
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
Group,
A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood and
fumigation is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/
I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from Russia is
good enough. I was told no, the wood needs a special USDA stamp on
each piece. If not, you run the risk of the container being sent back
from whence it came!
The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia. They
pulled one of our container's aside. The aircraft was inspected by 2
government officials, one wieldiing a tiny paintbrush and crawling into
the tail to look for seeds. She did find a couple of dandelion seeds
on the intake at the carburetor. If they offload your aircraft there,
you are responsible for all costs and guess who gets to pay for repairs
of any damage.
Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!
Jill
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
I don't think that finished storage boxes require fumigation. but all bare
lumber does
Robert E. Schwartz
From: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Importing
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Even worse is when they pull your load aside for "intensive inspection".
> The container, or boxes if your load is LCL must be taken to a bonded
> warehouse (yes, you get to pay for this move also). This inspection may or
> may not include X-ray, a cost which you also must pay. If they think you
> have contraband in your aircraft (key word here is THINK) they have the
> right to use destructive methods to look where ever they want to. This
> includes sawing and cutting. These folks operate with 100% immunity to
> any
> responsibility for damage they may cause during the inspection. One
> inspector in the Port of Seattle was gently trying to tell me to get out
> of
> his face by informing me that one time in the past he felt that there
> might
> be contraband inside a radial engine, he shrugged his shoulders and said
> "but after drilling several holes I realized there was nothing there and
> released the cargo". To which I told him that I had donuts and hot coffee
> in my car!
>
> I just received two new (yes, new old stock)M14B engines in from
> Argentina,
> both in wood boxes and no fumigation cert was required. However coming
> out
> of China all wood must be fumigated and the cert supplied with the import
> docs. No stamp is required to my knowledge.
>
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jill Gernetzke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:50 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Importing
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
>
> Group,
>
> A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood and
> fumigation is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/
>
> I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from Russia is
> good enough. I was told no, the wood needs a special USDA stamp on
> each piece. If not, you run the risk of the container being sent back
> from whence it came!
>
> The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia. They
> pulled one of our container's aside. The aircraft was inspected by 2
> government officials, one wieldiing a tiny paintbrush and crawling into
> the tail to look for seeds. She did find a couple of dandelion seeds
> on the intake at the carburetor. If they offload your aircraft there,
> you are responsible for all costs and guess who gets to pay for repairs
> of any damage.
>
> Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!
>
> Jill
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Doug
I take it that we are talking about the containers, but what of the wood inside
the CJ?
I have wood under the canopy runners. 1965 model.
Jim
>>> rvfltd@televar.com 05/02/06 12:20 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Even worse is when they pull your load aside for "intensive inspection".
The container, or boxes if your load is LCL must be taken to a bonded
warehouse (yes, you get to pay for this move also). This inspection may or
may not include X-ray, a cost which you also must pay. If they think you
have contraband in your aircraft (key word here is THINK) they have the
right to use destructive methods to look where ever they want to. This
includes sawing and cutting. These folks operate with 100% immunity to any
responsibility for damage they may cause during the inspection. One
inspector in the Port of Seattle was gently trying to tell me to get out of
his face by informing me that one time in the past he felt that there might
be contraband inside a radial engine, he shrugged his shoulders and said
"but after drilling several holes I realized there was nothing there and
released the cargo". To which I told him that I had donuts and hot coffee
in my car!
I just received two new (yes, new old stock)M14B engines in from Argentina,
both in wood boxes and no fumigation cert was required. However coming out
of China all wood must be fumigated and the cert supplied with the import
docs. No stamp is required to my knowledge.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jill Gernetzke
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Importing
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
Group,
A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood and
fumigation is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/
I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from Russia is
good enough. I was told no, the wood needs a special USDA stamp on
each piece. If not, you run the risk of the container being sent back
from whence it came!
The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia. They
pulled one of our container's aside. The aircraft was inspected by 2
government officials, one wieldiing a tiny paintbrush and crawling into
the tail to look for seeds. She did find a couple of dandelion seeds
on the intake at the carburetor. If they offload your aircraft there,
you are responsible for all costs and guess who gets to pay for repairs
of any damage.
Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!
Jill
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
All CJ's have wood under the rails. I'm certainly not going to call it to
their attention!!
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Bernier
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Importing
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Doug
I take it that we are talking about the containers, but what of the wood
inside the CJ?
I have wood under the canopy runners. 1965 model.
Jim
>>> rvfltd@televar.com 05/02/06 12:20 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Even worse is when they pull your load aside for "intensive inspection".
The container, or boxes if your load is LCL must be taken to a bonded
warehouse (yes, you get to pay for this move also). This inspection may or
may not include X-ray, a cost which you also must pay. If they think you
have contraband in your aircraft (key word here is THINK) they have the
right to use destructive methods to look where ever they want to. This
includes sawing and cutting. These folks operate with 100% immunity to any
responsibility for damage they may cause during the inspection. One
inspector in the Port of Seattle was gently trying to tell me to get out of
his face by informing me that one time in the past he felt that there might
be contraband inside a radial engine, he shrugged his shoulders and said
"but after drilling several holes I realized there was nothing there and
released the cargo". To which I told him that I had donuts and hot coffee
in my car!
I just received two new (yes, new old stock)M14B engines in from Argentina,
both in wood boxes and no fumigation cert was required. However coming out
of China all wood must be fumigated and the cert supplied with the import
docs. No stamp is required to my knowledge.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jill Gernetzke
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Importing
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
Group,
A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood and
fumigation is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/
I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from Russia is
good enough. I was told no, the wood needs a special USDA stamp on
each piece. If not, you run the risk of the container being sent back
from whence it came!
The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia. They
pulled one of our container's aside. The aircraft was inspected by 2
government officials, one wieldiing a tiny paintbrush and crawling into
the tail to look for seeds. She did find a couple of dandelion seeds
on the intake at the carburetor. If they offload your aircraft there,
you are responsible for all costs and guess who gets to pay for repairs
of any damage.
Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!
Jill
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Better keep quiet about those Yak props and MT props as well....
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Importing
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
All CJ's have wood under the rails. I'm certainly not going to call it
to their attention!!
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Bernier
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Importing
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Doug
I take it that we are talking about the containers, but what of the wood
inside the CJ?
I have wood under the canopy runners. 1965 model.
Jim
>>> rvfltd@televar.com 05/02/06 12:20 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Even worse is when they pull your load aside for "intensive inspection".
The container, or boxes if your load is LCL must be taken to a bonded
warehouse (yes, you get to pay for this move also). This inspection may
or may not include X-ray, a cost which you also must pay. If they think
you have contraband in your aircraft (key word here is THINK) they have
the right to use destructive methods to look where ever they want to.
This includes sawing and cutting. These folks operate with 100%
immunity to any responsibility for damage they may cause during the
inspection. One inspector in the Port of Seattle was gently trying to
tell me to get out of his face by informing me that one time in the past
he felt that there might be contraband inside a radial engine, he
shrugged his shoulders and said "but after drilling several holes I
realized there was nothing there and released the cargo". To which I
told him that I had donuts and hot coffee in my car!
I just received two new (yes, new old stock)M14B engines in from
Argentina, both in wood boxes and no fumigation cert was required.
However coming out of China all wood must be fumigated and the cert
supplied with the import docs. No stamp is required to my knowledge.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jill Gernetzke
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Importing
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
Group,
A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood and
fumigation is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/
I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from Russia is
good enough. I was told no, the wood needs a special USDA stamp on each
piece. If not, you run the risk of the container being sent back from
whence it came!
The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia. They
pulled one of our container's aside. The aircraft was inspected by 2
government officials, one wieldiing a tiny paintbrush and crawling into
the tail to look for seeds. She did find a couple of dandelion seeds on
the intake at the carburetor. If they offload your aircraft there, you
are responsible for all costs and guess who gets to pay for repairs of
any damage.
Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!
Jill
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Just think, if he was doing BFM with another Yak, he would have plenty of altitude
to play with...having a hard deck and all.
Low level aerobatics......hmmmmmmm...
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32368#32368
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| Subject: | Snowbirds at Lakeland |
Canadian Snowbirds that is, and not the RV kind that already left for the North,
but the 9-ship Jet Team kind. They arrived today and are performing tomorrow
afternoon along with the Red Barons.
Of course there is a party at my hanger. Any "Listers" in the area are welcome.
The way they fly is pure poetry, none of this brute force thundering burner
climbs like the Blues and the 'Birds. Warms the heart of every Form pilot; brings
tears to crusty old Leads when they do formation changes.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: hailing all 2 seat a/c pilots in OK |
She has to pass through ACSC soon. She can fly with the Red Air Gang all she wants.
She might even teach ol' Farts a thing or two, but then again some of us
old F-4, F-15, F-105, and F-16 drivers might teach her also. We are up to 7 Yaks
and growing.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Valkyre1
Sent: 5/2/2006 8:09:19 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: hailing all 2 seat a/c pilots in OK
(Sorry Yak Listers... I meant the reply to Smash to be off-line. But now those
of you farther than a three hour drive can also make her an offer she can't refuse)
- Valkyrie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lou Dakos" <ldakos@bigpond.net.au>
Make sure there is no bark at all on the wood or it might not be allowed
into the country, if allowed in it will be quarantined and might have to be
unpacked at the port and wood burned not cheap, I have seen this happen with
new wood from USA France Canada Brazil & Germany just finished working on a
130 million upgrade and customs were very much on the ball with inspections
which ment a very big bonfire at the end.
Lou
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 3:12 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Importing
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> Sounds to me like there is a market in supplying wood to Lith & Rus ?
>
> Interesting question, and I warn you this is likely to make your head
> hurt.
>
> Scenario
> Pilot A, in Australia, wants to send an aircraft to pilot B in America.
> To do so Pilot A must only use USDA wood. To get it he must order it
> from the US. When the wood arrives to make the shipping jigs Australian
> customs impound it as it is not the required standard for import
>
> Can you see where this is going.....
>
> I am now going to have a little sit down.
>
> Gus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT
> SCHWARTZ
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:43 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Importing
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ"
> --> <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>
> I am aware of this new issue regarding wood fumigation also. My last
> shipments just squeezed by and I was told that next time has to comply.
> I'm not sure if they have treated wood in eastern Europe or exactly how
> to overcome this. Anyone have suggestions??
>
> Robert E. Schwartz
>
>
> From: "Jill Gernetzke" <jill@m-14p.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:50 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Importing
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
>>
>> Group,
>>
>> A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood and
>> fumigation is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/
>>
>> I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from Russia
>> is good enough. I was told no, the wood needs a special USDA stamp on
>
>> each piece. If not, you run the risk of the container being sent back
>
>> from whence it came!
>>
>> The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia.
>> They pulled one of our container's aside. The aircraft was inspected
>> by 2 government officials, one wieldiing a tiny paintbrush and
>> crawling into the tail to look for seeds. She did find a couple of
>> dandelion seeds on the intake at the carburetor. If they offload your
>
>> aircraft there, you are responsible for all costs and guess who gets
>> to pay for repairs of any damage.
>>
>> Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>> http://wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Did anybody solve the CO-problem on a CJ yet? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: tamara_b@telus.net
Hi there,
last week I did circuits for 4 days
in a row, my CO-detector went
off the most of the time and I was
sick like a dog.
I had my exhaust stacks extended
but apparantley it made no difference.
All the holes in the wheel wells and
flap well are sealed. I have the feeling
the fumes enter the aircraft mainly
through the canopy.
Did anybody got rid of that CO-problem
by now - if yes - every constructive input
is very much appreciated.
Cheers
Elmar (C-FTKL)
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| Subject: | Did anybody solve the CO-problem on a CJ yet? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
The only way to solve it is to go to a self contained compressed air
system. The use of a diluter demand valve entrains ambient air so you still
get CO if it is present in the cabin. The CO scrubbers are extremely
expensive and generate alot of heat in that they use an exothermic reation
to reduce the CO to CO2. They work at the same temp as your catalytic
converter. Atleast the ones used by NASCAR do. The NASCAR guys would not
even talk to me. F1 it is! They know how to turn right and left when
racing. Sorry for the lapse!
Now, there is a company called Whiff's that make CO / Smoke absorbant
filters for wildfire fighters.They are disposable. These filters last about
4-8 hours depending on the environment you use them in. The filters are
called Excapers. You can get more info on them at
http://www.whiffs.net/about/index.html. The individual filters are about
$6.50 each. The mask that you use them with is pretty funky looking though.
Have not tried them out yet though. Just found out about them about a week
ago.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: <tamara_b@telus.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/2/2006 10:02:15 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Did anybody solve the CO-problem on a CJ yet?
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: tamara_b@telus.net
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> last week I did circuits for 4 days
> in a row, my CO-detector went
> off the most of the time and I was
> sick like a dog.
> I had my exhaust stacks extended
> but apparantley it made no difference.
> All the holes in the wheel wells and
> flap well are sealed. I have the feeling
> the fumes enter the aircraft mainly
> through the canopy.
>
> Did anybody got rid of that CO-problem
> by now - if yes - every constructive input
> is very much appreciated.
>
> Cheers
>
> Elmar (C-FTKL)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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This wood packaging material situation is in response to the Interim
Commission on
Phytosanitary Measures of the International Plant Protection Convention
on March 15, 2002 requirememts to prevent spread of noxious insects.
It primarily involves trating wood used in shipping to one of two
methods of sterilization; a. heat to +56 deg. C for 30 min or, b. 16
hour exposure to a specific concentration of methyl bromide.
Specific details of this are available at the following web page:
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/ppq/wpm/docket02-032-03.htm?
dbname=2004_register&docid=fr16se04-1
In Russia, there are, in most cities, government offices and
commercial firms that provide fumigation services and/or kilns to
meet the requirements....and certification (by stamping, or otherwise
marking the individual items of WPM) that these procedures have been
accomplished. This is the case in China as well.
I have some other specific material in reference to this subject in
the form of .pdf's that I will email to any one interested. You'll
have to wait until after ARS however as we're out'a here tomorrow
with 8 airplanes heading for Porterville.
Roger Baker
On May 2, 2006, at 9:42 AM, ROBERT SCHWARTZ wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ"
> <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>
> I am aware of this new issue regarding wood fumigation also. My
> last shipments just squeezed by and I was told that next time has
> to comply. I'm not sure if they have treated wood in eastern Europe
> or exactly how to overcome this. Anyone have suggestions??
>
> Robert E. Schwartz
>
>
> From: "Jill Gernetzke" <jill@m-14p.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:50 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Importing
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
>>
>> Group,
>>
>> A helpful site for answering your questions about importing, wood
>> and fumigation is: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/subjects/importing/
>>
>> I asked my customs broker if a certificate of fumigation from
>> Russia is good enough. I was told no, the wood needs a special
>> USDA stamp on each piece. If not, you run the risk of the
>> container being sent back from whence it came!
>>
>> The Russian certificate of fumigation held no value in Australia.
>> They pulled one of our container's aside. The aircraft was
>> inspected by 2 government officials, one wieldiing a tiny
>> paintbrush and crawling into the tail to look for seeds. She did
>> find a couple of dandelion seeds on the intake at the carburetor.
>> If they offload your aircraft there, you are responsible for all
>> costs and guess who gets to pay for repairs of any damage.
>>
>> Wishing all a safe and fun ARS!
>>
>> Jill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>> http://wiki.matronics.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> wiki.matronics.com
>
>
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| Subject: | All Red Star Five!!!! |
To all my Yak/CJ friends,
I am leaving tomorrow for Porterville (PTV). Can't wait to see you all
again at the best darn' Fly-In of our community. This year we have new
competitions as well as the solid formation training you have come to expect.
The
staff is excited that our new venue will bring us new opportunities and
experiences that we haven't had in the past.
Lots of fun, friends, and flying will be had by all! See you there!
-Postal
Hartley Postlethwaite
Air Boss ARS V
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