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1. 07:16 AM - $30 dollars a plug? (Richard Goode)
2. 09:25 AM - Re: Nanchang CJ6 aircraft and spare parts for sale (Valkyre1)
3. 11:10 AM - Peoria Airshow and Aerostars (Craig Payne)
4. 03:03 PM - Two New Email Lists at Matronics and Wiki Reminder! (Matt Dralle)
5. 07:38 PM - Re: Peoria Airshow and Aerostars (bpx2horn@aol.com)
6. 08:25 PM - Re: $30 dollars a plug? (Mark Higgins)
7. 11:35 PM - Re: $30 dollars a plug? (Frank Stelwagon)
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| Subject: | $30 dollars a plug? |
This is simple economics, and it is called "supply and demand".=0A=
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We have all been living in a dream world caused by the Soviets leaving a lo=
t of Yak parts around DOSAFF Airfields in the East, and so inevitably they
have been sold off cheap.=20=0A=
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Automotive conversions clearly are great - but in Europe we simply are not
allowed to use them, and so are dependent on original plugs or champions.
The Russian factory is now making them again, but in hundreds rather than t=
ens of thousands - hence the cost.=20=20=0A=
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Obviously it is great if there is a Western analogue like plugs; propellers=
; tyres etc that can be used. However for things that are not currently m=
ade in the West, believe me, there will be a problem. Possibly not this ye=
ar, but inevitably at a stage.=20=0A=
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Remember engine prices - they were US $9,000; Shadetree stabilised the mark=
et for a while going up to the high 20,000's, and for the future they will
certainly be a lot higher particularly with all those Pitts Model 12's; Na=
tural attrition etc.=20=0A=
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Aerostar can still make all 52 airframe components, but unless they are sup=
ported won't continue.=20=0A=
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Arseniev now has nothing for 50 and 55; and 18T parts are available from Sm=
olensk, but slow and expensive.=0A=
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Also, believe me, it does not make life easier for middle men like myself -=
not only are prices higher; customers reluctant to believe these increases=
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ6 aircraft and spare parts for sale |
Zack,
You need to know that Doug Sapp is a highly respected member of the Yak
Community. He earned our absolute trust with good works and
unimpeachable integrity over the years.
A "failure to communicate" as to what is a "good" aircraft or a "new or
refurbished part" is not acceptable in aviation.
Thank you Doug, for looking out for the best interests of us all as
usual.
- Valkyrie
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| Subject: | Peoria Airshow and Aerostars |
While planning my Oshkosh trip, I noticed the Warbird magazine calendar July 22-23
date for this show. Viewing the web-site I see that a 2-ship "Aerostars" team
of -TW's are booked. Are these Northern IL guys? Who will confess?
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Two New Email Lists at Matronics and Wiki Reminder! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I have added two new email Lists to the Matronics Line up today. These include
a Continental engine List and a Lightning aircraft List:
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continental-list@matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List
Everything related to the Continental aircraft engine. Sky's the limit on discussions
here.
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lightning-list@matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
This is an exciting new design from Arion Aircraft LLC in Shelbyville Tennessee. Pete Krotje has a very nice web site on the aircraft that can be found here: http://www.arionaircraft.com/
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Also, if you haven't checked out the new Matronics Aircraft Wiki, swing by and
have a look. Remember, a Wiki is only as good as the content that the members
put into it. Have a look over some of the sections, and if you've got some interesting
or useful, please add it to the Wiki! Its all about YOU! :-) The
URL for the Matronics Wiki is:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | Re: Peoria Airshow and Aerostars |
Craig,
That was a misprint. The Aerostars are a three ship in the U.S.
www.teamaerostar.com
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com>
Sent: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:08:47 -0400
Subject: Yak-List: Peoria Airshow and Aerostars
While planning my Oshkosh trip, I noticed the Warbird magazine calendar July 22-23
date for this show. Viewing the web-site I see that a 2-ship "Aerostars" team
of -TW's are booked. Are these Northern IL guys? Who will confess?
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: $30 dollars a plug? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Higgins" <markhiggins_la@lycos.com>
You know, I never took seriously Yak warriors especially those in clownish nomex
outfits, but this thread really pissed me off.
So, when this guy Savarese pushes his kits here and books $300 profit on each $400-something
sale - he is a nice "good fella".
When Champion sells their product at the same profit margin - they are a respectable
corporation.
When Russians bring their prices in line - Oh, my God ! They are greedy bastards
!
You really thought this looting of Russia would continue indefinitely ?
Stupidity and arrogance have never been in short supply in this country.
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 09:33:32 AM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: $30 dollars a plug?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Yep, you're right Frank. They (meaning the Russians) think they have found
out what capitalism is. Now they believe they can continue to raise the
price and we're going to continue to pay whatever they want for them.
The fact is, 7 years ago I could buy all the Russian plugs you ever wanted
for less than $6 a piece.
When you do make the conversion Frank, you will be amazed at how smooth your
engine runs and how much more efficient your engine is.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 11:14 AM
Subject: Yak-List: $30 dollars a plug?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
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> $30 dollars a plug?
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> Sounds like someone is pricing themselves right out of business.
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> I'm going with the auto conversion next time.
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| Subject: | Re: $30 dollars a plug? |
Ah I see we have another budding genius on the list - Mark Higgins. He
is going to make up the kit for $100. Pick the correct heat range
plugs, the good RFI suppression wire and the adapters etc, fat chance
Mark. This list is the best thing for exchanging information, and
learning about these aircraft, so pay attention Mark and learn
something. By the way if you think $30.00 for Russian plugs is over
priced, take a look at Aircraft Spurce. Champion plugs vary from $18.75
to $43.00 and Iridum plugs are $50.00 plus. Times have changed Mark
you can't buy a CJ for $29,000 any more.
Frank
CJ6-A
N23021
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