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1. 12:21 AM - List Troll (Barry Hancock)
2. 09:15 AM - anywhere map (Jerry Painter)
3. 01:54 PM - Mr. Higgens (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
4. 02:11 PM - Re: Mr. Higgens (David McGirt)
5. 04:39 PM - Re: anywhere map (Tim Gagnon)
6. 04:56 PM - State of the community....our collective future. (Tim Gagnon)
7. 04:57 PM - Re: Mr. Higgens (Ben Marsh)
8. 06:29 PM - Re: Mr. Higgens (david stroud)
9. 09:34 PM - Re: State of the community....our collective future. (Roger Kemp)
10. 10:03 PM - FW: Priceless (Roger Kemp)
11. 11:32 PM - Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
12. 11:34 PM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
Gang,
It appears as though we have a new list Troll. Let him go....
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
I had an Anywhere Map back when they first came out--ran on a little Compaq
handheld. I really liked the presentation, touch screen, AOPA airport
database etc. My only complaint was it had to have external power and the
GPS receiver was also external, so there were a few wires which would
sometimes come loose. Otherwise, it worked great, though the processor got
to be a little slow after I loaded up the database with every possible extra
I'm thinking about getting another one--the latest model (Dell Axim) looks
like a big improvement in processing power and memory. They still need
external power, but the GPS link is Bluetooth. They're cheaper than a 396,
too, and you can add WX and IFR charts. The pocket PC capability is handy,
too, with GPS being only one of its tricks. I especially liked mine after I
cracked the canopy for a little fresh air somewhere over some godforsaken
middle of nowhere and my paper charts got sucked right out of my
hands--fooop!
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
wild.blue@verizon.net
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
PS
I saw a glider guy running a GPS with moving map etc the other day on his
cell phone. Hmmm. Screen was a little small...
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
The very best thing that can be done in regards to this gentleman is to simply
ignore him.
100 per cent. Totally. Why someone would join a list and then bad mouth everyone
on it is beyond comprehension.
The only answer is that such a person gets great glee and satisfaction from instilling
anger and wrath in other people, and then sits back and laughs wildly
at the tumult that he has caused.
This takes a lot of past issues and puts them into more of a pure perspective...
at least it does for me.
This is all I am going to publically say about this gent, now or in the future.
Sadly, every list eventually winds up facing this problem. How we handle it
now reflects on us and not him. He has already established his ilk.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Higgins" <mark_higgins_la@lycos.com>
Honestly, I don't care how much you charge for your kits. It's none of my business.
Just spare me your sales talk
about costs and clues. I friend did the same job for $100-something. So, go brainwash
your Yak crowd.
What blew my lid was this sense of entitlement to essentially looted property.
> Wait until he calls Carl, George, Doug, You or myself for parts........I am
> sure we will remember these comments and charge accordingly.
Wow ! This sounds like a mini cartel here ! Too bad I'm not a customer. Just one
question to you,
my dear parts barons: what do you think are your chances for getting busted one
day for an attempt
to smuggle out stolen goods ? ( Hint : it doesn't take a lot of well-wishers to
get on Customs watch list ). And let me guess - are you going to whine that you
sincerely believed that $6 a plug is a true price ?
Also, a note to this "Scooter" thing: I feel sorry for your name, please accept
my condolences. Call me what you like,
but at least I do not drive a plane designed for 18-year-old kids to get basics
in 50hrs before switching to jets, get
dressed like a 300lbs "democratizer", and call it a "warbird".
One more thing - it appears that this list is being manipulated in a genuinely
american democratically perverted way to ensure
that no "undesirables" stay here long enough to stir trouble. I don't mind really
- go ahead unsubscribe me.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
Well put Mark - Charma will take care of it.. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Mr. Higgens
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
The very best thing that can be done in regards to this gentleman is to
simply ignore him.
100 per cent. Totally. Why someone would join a list and then bad mouth
everyone on it is beyond comprehension.
The only answer is that such a person gets great glee and satisfaction from
instilling anger and wrath in other people, and then sits back and laughs
wildly at the tumult that he has caused.
This takes a lot of past issues and puts them into more of a pure
perspective... at least it does for me.
This is all I am going to publically say about this gent, now or in the
future. Sadly, every list eventually winds up facing this problem. How we
handle it now reflects on us and not him. He has already established his
ilk.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Higgins" <mark_higgins_la@lycos.com>
Honestly, I don't care how much you charge for your kits. It's none of my
business. Just spare me your sales talk
about costs and clues. I friend did the same job for $100-something. So, go
brainwash your Yak crowd.
What blew my lid was this sense of entitlement to essentially looted
property.
> Wait until he calls Carl, George, Doug, You or myself for parts........I
am
> sure we will remember these comments and charge accordingly.
Wow ! This sounds like a mini cartel here ! Too bad I'm not a customer. Just
one question to you,
my dear parts barons: what do you think are your chances for getting busted
one day for an attempt
to smuggle out stolen goods ? ( Hint : it doesn't take a lot of well-wishers
to get on Customs watch list ). And let me guess - are you going to whine
that you sincerely believed that $6 a plug is a true price ?
Also, a note to this "Scooter" thing: I feel sorry for your name, please
accept my condolences. Call me what you like,
but at least I do not drive a plane designed for 18-year-old kids to get
basics in 50hrs before switching to jets, get
dressed like a 300lbs "democratizer", and call it a "warbird".
One more thing - it appears that this list is being manipulated in a
genuinely american democratically perverted way to ensure
that no "undesirables" stay here long enough to stir trouble. I don't mind
really - go ahead unsubscribe me.
________________________________ Message 1
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| Subject: | Re: anywhere map |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
I use Anywhere Map and am pretty pleased with it. I have mounted it to my panel
using the "ball and socket" set up and the only issue I have is that I get some
glare from the canopy glass.
I really do not need the XM WX since I NEVER fly or plan to fly anywhere where
I would need that function.
I use a Dell Axim that the USAF provided and got the software pretty cheap. The
BT GPS was bought off eBay for less than $50.00. I have less an $150.00 in the
whole thing. It also serves as a nice backup to my GPS/Comm.
Tim
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37962#37962
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| Subject: | State of the community....our collective future. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
The price of spark plugs may highlight a bigger issue that I have always been concerned
with, the future availability of parts and maintainability of these airplanes.
I have exercised some privileges of the "experimental" nature of these airplanes
after having what could have been a catastrophic gear failure. (I was not flying
the airplane at the time). I found a local shop to manufacture the needed
part (and had an extra made) and fixed one problem. Others have done the same
and will continue to do so.
I have considered what airplane I would get if the time comes to replace my -50.
I simply cannot think of another airplane that would fill my need right now
and after knowing the Yak product for three years, it will be hard to buy something
else with such confidence.
It is incumbent upon us as owners and operators of these airplanes to support each
other in anyway possible, whether it is through answering a simple question
(like Dennis always does...thanks D) or providing parts at a reasonable cost.
(Like Doug Sapp). It also helps that we have someone on our side in the insurance
industry (TJ of Airpower). There are some within this community that are
less than honest and give all of us a bad name.
I have tried to share what I have or what I know (which is very little) with anyone
who ask. I have depended on others to assist me along the way and have, with
only a few exceptions, never been let down. I have repaid those people with
either business or sales leads. I have educated those who thought less than
favorably about Russian airplanes.
We need to police ourselves professionally, assist another owner when we can, spread
the word about these fantastic airplanes, and keep these airplanes economical
to own and operate. I am concerned that someday that one part I may need
will only have once source and that source may be overseas. I must also have
faith that I will not be the only one who has needed that one part and has used
some old fashioned American ingenuity to make a new one.
Long term viability of these airplanes should be a group concern and as a group,
we need to work on our collective future.
Soap Box..Dismount.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37966#37966
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ben Marsh" <ben@designselect.net>
Can we return to substance? It is clear where the lines are drawn; and
those boundaries aren't going to change. I'd rather read about flying
airplanes, finding parts and chasing women. Hell, I'd rather read about how
tight our Nomex flight suits hug our respective asses or how much Marvel
Mystery Oil we put behind our ears before a date, than continue this
hate-fest.
Thank you,
Marsh
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:10 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Mr. Higgens
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
Well put Mark - Charma will take care of it.. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Mr. Higgens
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
The very best thing that can be done in regards to this gentleman is to
simply ignore him.
100 per cent. Totally. Why someone would join a list and then bad mouth
everyone on it is beyond comprehension.
The only answer is that such a person gets great glee and satisfaction from
instilling anger and wrath in other people, and then sits back and laughs
wildly at the tumult that he has caused.
This takes a lot of past issues and puts them into more of a pure
perspective... at least it does for me.
This is all I am going to publically say about this gent, now or in the
future. Sadly, every list eventually winds up facing this problem. How we
handle it now reflects on us and not him. He has already established his
ilk.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Higgins" <mark_higgins_la@lycos.com>
Honestly, I don't care how much you charge for your kits. It's none of my
business. Just spare me your sales talk
about costs and clues. I friend did the same job for $100-something. So, go
brainwash your Yak crowd.
What blew my lid was this sense of entitlement to essentially looted
property.
> Wait until he calls Carl, George, Doug, You or myself for parts........I
am
> sure we will remember these comments and charge accordingly.
Wow ! This sounds like a mini cartel here ! Too bad I'm not a customer. Just
one question to you,
my dear parts barons: what do you think are your chances for getting busted
one day for an attempt
to smuggle out stolen goods ? ( Hint : it doesn't take a lot of well-wishers
to get on Customs watch list ). And let me guess - are you going to whine
that you sincerely believed that $6 a plug is a true price ?
Also, a note to this "Scooter" thing: I feel sorry for your name, please
accept my condolences. Call me what you like,
but at least I do not drive a plane designed for 18-year-old kids to get
basics in 50hrs before switching to jets, get
dressed like a 300lbs "democratizer", and call it a "warbird".
One more thing - it appears that this list is being manipulated in a
genuinely american democratically perverted way to ensure
that no "undesirables" stay here long enough to stir trouble. I don't mind
really - go ahead unsubscribe me.
________________________________ Message 1
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "david stroud" <dstroud@storm.ca>
And yet you (and I ) perpetuate his very purpose by responding
to his post. Any lights on anywhere? Shun the fucker...( if you can )
And if you can't, then continue expressing your views on him, thus
feeding his purpose. Any lights on yet?
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Marsh" <ben@designselect.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Mr. Higgens
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ben Marsh" <ben@designselect.net>
>
> Can we return to substance? It is clear where the lines are drawn; and
> those boundaries aren't going to change. I'd rather read about flying
> airplanes, finding parts and chasing women. Hell, I'd rather read about how
> tight our Nomex flight suits hug our respective asses or how much Marvel
> Mystery Oil we put behind our ears before a date, than continue this
> hate-fest.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Marsh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:10 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Mr. Higgens
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
>
> Well put Mark - Charma will take care of it.. :)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G
> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:48 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Mr. Higgens
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> The very best thing that can be done in regards to this gentleman is to
> simply ignore him.
>
> 100 per cent. Totally. Why someone would join a list and then bad mouth
> everyone on it is beyond comprehension.
>
> The only answer is that such a person gets great glee and satisfaction from
> instilling anger and wrath in other people, and then sits back and laughs
> wildly at the tumult that he has caused.
>
> This takes a lot of past issues and puts them into more of a pure
> perspective... at least it does for me.
>
> This is all I am going to publically say about this gent, now or in the
> future. Sadly, every list eventually winds up facing this problem. How we
> handle it now reflects on us and not him. He has already established his
> ilk.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> N50YK
>
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Higgins" <mark_higgins_la@lycos.com>
>
> Honestly, I don't care how much you charge for your kits. It's none of my
> business. Just spare me your sales talk
> about costs and clues. I friend did the same job for $100-something. So, go
> brainwash your Yak crowd.
>
> What blew my lid was this sense of entitlement to essentially looted
> property.
>
> > Wait until he calls Carl, George, Doug, You or myself for parts........I
> am
> > sure we will remember these comments and charge accordingly.
>
> Wow ! This sounds like a mini cartel here ! Too bad I'm not a customer. Just
> one question to you,
> my dear parts barons: what do you think are your chances for getting busted
> one day for an attempt
> to smuggle out stolen goods ? ( Hint : it doesn't take a lot of well-wishers
> to get on Customs watch list ). And let me guess - are you going to whine
> that you sincerely believed that $6 a plug is a true price ?
>
> Also, a note to this "Scooter" thing: I feel sorry for your name, please
> accept my condolences. Call me what you like,
> but at least I do not drive a plane designed for 18-year-old kids to get
> basics in 50hrs before switching to jets, get
> dressed like a 300lbs "democratizer", and call it a "warbird".
>
> One more thing - it appears that this list is being manipulated in a
> genuinely american democratically perverted way to ensure
> that no "undesirables" stay here long enough to stir trouble. I don't mind
> really - go ahead unsubscribe me.
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| Subject: | State of the community....our collective future. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Dead on Tim.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/1/2006 7:03:37 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: State of the community....our collective future.
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> The price of spark plugs may highlight a bigger issue that I have always
been concerned with, the future availability of parts and maintainability
of these airplanes.
>
> I have exercised some privileges of the "experimental" nature of these
airplanes after having what could have been a catastrophic gear failure. (I
was not flying the airplane at the time). I found a local shop to
manufacture the needed part (and had an extra made) and fixed one problem.
Others have done the same and will continue to do so.
>
> I have considered what airplane I would get if the time comes to replace
my -50. I simply cannot think of another airplane that would fill my need
right now and after knowing the Yak product for three years, it will be
hard to buy something else with such confidence.
>
> It is incumbent upon us as owners and operators of these airplanes to
support each other in anyway possible, whether it is through answering a
simple question (like Dennis always does...thanks D) or providing parts at
a reasonable cost. (Like Doug Sapp). It also helps that we have someone on
our side in the insurance industry (TJ of Airpower). There are some within
this community that are less than honest and give all of us a bad name.
>
> I have tried to share what I have or what I know (which is very little)
with anyone who ask. I have depended on others to assist me along the way
and have, with only a few exceptions, never been let down. I have repaid
those people with either business or sales leads. I have educated those who
thought less than favorably about Russian airplanes.
>
> We need to police ourselves professionally, assist another owner when we
can, spread the word about these fantastic airplanes, and keep these
airplanes economical to own and operate. I am concerned that someday that
one part I may need will only have once source and that source may be
overseas. I must also have faith that I will not be the only one who has
needed that one part and has used some old fashioned American ingenuity to
make a new one.
>
> Long term viability of these airplanes should be a group concern and as a
group, we need to work on our collective future.
>
> Soap Box..Dismount.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37966#37966
>
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Gotta love this one in our trying times on the list!
Hum..reap what you sow?!
I know this has nothing to do with flying YAK's and CJ's.
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
Subject: Priceless
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kind of virus, and you should try to inform the sender, if possible.
The best protection against viruses is a good virus protection program
such as Norton Antivirus. State of the art in virus protection today's
world gives maximum protection with little or no negative impact on
the computer system. You can't afford to be without a good virus
protection program these days.
Note that some limited enclosure posting is now enabled on a number
of Lists. Allowed types include .jpg, .gif, .txt, .pdf, .xls, and
a few other similar types.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "yak-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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*** List Digest Browser ***
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An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
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Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Yak-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
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If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
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Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Yak-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/yak-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Yak-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
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In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Yak-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Yak-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Yak-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Yak-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Yak-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Yak-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Yak-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Yak
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
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Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
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- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
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- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
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- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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