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1. 07:35 AM - Re: Mr. Higgens (Ben Marsh)
2. 07:36 AM - Re: FW: Priceless (Ben Marsh)
3. 10:21 AM - Re: suggestions needed (PeteAbbott@aol.com)
4. 11:14 AM - Re: suggestions needed (Herb Coussons)
5. 12:10 PM - Reply to State of the CJ6 community....our collective future. (doug sapp)
6. 01:21 PM - Re: Reply to State of the CJ6 community....our collective future. (Craig Payne)
7. 03:06 PM - OSH/MTW (Herb Coussons)
8. 05:15 PM - compressor shear pin (doug sapp)
9. 06:49 PM - Re: suggestions needed[LashBack] (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 07:23 PM - Re: compressor shear pin[LashBack] (A. Dennis Savarese)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ben Marsh" <ben@designselect.net>
Content, please.
Marsh
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david stroud
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Mr. Higgens
--> Yak-List message posted by: "david stroud" <dstroud@storm.ca>
And yet you (and I ) perpetuate his very purpose by responding
to his post. Any lights on anywhere? Shun the fucker...( if you can )
And if you can't, then continue expressing your views on him, thus
feeding his purpose. Any lights on yet?
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 early construction
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Marsh" <ben@designselect.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Mr. Higgens
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ben Marsh" <ben@designselect.net>
>
> Can we return to substance? It is clear where the lines are drawn; and
> those boundaries aren't going to change. I'd rather read about flying
> airplanes, finding parts and chasing women. Hell, I'd rather read about
how
> tight our Nomex flight suits hug our respective asses or how much Marvel
> Mystery Oil we put behind our ears before a date, than continue this
> hate-fest.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Marsh
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> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McGirt
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 2:10 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Mr. Higgens
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> --> Yak-List message posted by: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
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> Well put Mark - Charma will take care of it.. :)
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> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark
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> CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:48 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Mr. Higgens
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> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
> MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> The very best thing that can be done in regards to this gentleman is to
> simply ignore him.
>
> 100 per cent. Totally. Why someone would join a list and then bad mouth
> everyone on it is beyond comprehension.
>
> The only answer is that such a person gets great glee and satisfaction
from
> instilling anger and wrath in other people, and then sits back and laughs
> wildly at the tumult that he has caused.
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> This takes a lot of past issues and puts them into more of a pure
> perspective... at least it does for me.
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> This is all I am going to publically say about this gent, now or in the
> future. Sadly, every list eventually winds up facing this problem. How
we
> handle it now reflects on us and not him. He has already established his
> ilk.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> N50YK
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> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Higgins" <mark_higgins_la@lycos.com>
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> Honestly, I don't care how much you charge for your kits. It's none of my
> business. Just spare me your sales talk
> about costs and clues. I friend did the same job for $100-something. So,
go
> brainwash your Yak crowd.
>
> What blew my lid was this sense of entitlement to essentially looted
> property.
>
> > Wait until he calls Carl, George, Doug, You or myself for
parts........I
> am
> > sure we will remember these comments and charge accordingly.
>
> Wow ! This sounds like a mini cartel here ! Too bad I'm not a customer.
Just
> one question to you,
> my dear parts barons: what do you think are your chances for getting
busted
> one day for an attempt
> to smuggle out stolen goods ? ( Hint : it doesn't take a lot of
well-wishers
> to get on Customs watch list ). And let me guess - are you going to whine
> that you sincerely believed that $6 a plug is a true price ?
>
> Also, a note to this "Scooter" thing: I feel sorry for your name, please
> accept my condolences. Call me what you like,
> but at least I do not drive a plane designed for 18-year-old kids to get
> basics in 50hrs before switching to jets, get
> dressed like a 300lbs "democratizer", and call it a "warbird".
>
> One more thing - it appears that this list is being manipulated in a
> genuinely american democratically perverted way to ensure
> that no "undesirables" stay here long enough to stir trouble. I don't mind
> really - go ahead unsubscribe me.
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Natural selection.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:02 PM
Subject: Yak-List: FW: Priceless
Gotta love this one in our trying times on the list!
Hum..reap what you sow?!
I know this has nothing to do with flying YAK's and CJ's.
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
Subject: Priceless
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| Subject: | Re: suggestions needed |
I have a Yak 52 and have followed this post for 2 years. The depth of
knowledge of this group is very interesting.
I know that this does not concern the yak community but I need to draw from
your experiences regarding engine overhaul shops. I have a Seneca 3 with an
engine problem. It is a high time engine so we are looking to overhaul it.
Any suggestions, good or bad would be helpful. My email address is
_peteabbott@aol.com_ (mailto:peteabbott@aol.com)
Thanks
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: suggestions needed |
I have had a Bonanza and a Turbo 210 to go thru OH's. Very good
experience with Firewall Forward in Loveland Colorado. We took of
the engine from he 210 an sent it to them. They did the OH, put
Milleneum cylinders and Gami's on it. Sent it back and we did the
install. They warranty the engine prorated to TBO - which says alot
for the continental in the 210. At about 350 hours we had the
camshaft AD problem that Continental had all the inspections and
recalls. We did not want another shop tearing into the engine since
we were pleased with Firewall Forward and their warranty.
Continental paid to send the engine to Colorado and for them to do
the work. They looked at the engine and extended our warranty to
1600 hours from that point. That engine now has over 1400 hours on
it - Good compressions, no oil consumption, etc. It is operated
according to Gami's guidelines - lean of peak. always at high
altitudes out west - cruise usually at FL20-22.
Sipping fuel at 55-60 lbs per hour. I can highly recommend their
work. That engine was done in 1999-2000 and I have not had much
contact with them since then.
Herb
On Jun 2, 2006, at 12:18 PM, PeteAbbott@aol.com wrote:
> I have a Yak 52 and have followed this post for 2 years. The depth
> of knowledge of this group is very interesting.
>
> I know that this does not concern the yak community but I need to
> draw from your experiences regarding engine overhaul shops. I have
> a Seneca 3 with an engine problem. It is a high time engine so we
> are looking to overhaul it.
>
> Any suggestions, good or bad would be helpful. My email address is
> peteabbott@aol.com
>
> Thanks
>
> Pete
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| Subject: | Reply to State of the CJ6 community....our collective future. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
I cannot speak to the ongoing availability of 50 and 52 parts but the
availability of parts for the CJ6 is not yet an issue, and I really don't
expect it to be for several years AFTER the factory ceases production of
these aircraft. Prices however have inched up a bit especially for parts
which have electrical components. Two years ago I was told by the factory
that 2007 was the last year of production and 2005 was the last year that
the military was going to use the CJ6 as a trainer. The word at that time
was that they were going to a turbine powered trainer. But that seems to
have gone by the wayside as very recently the military purchased a huge
amount of used HS6A engines for their use in CJ6's. The factory now is
taking the position that production is "ongoing". An unfortunate by product
of this is that the military's purchase of engines has sent the purchase
price of the HS6A engine through the overhead. As a response to the high
price the web now has several folks selling these engines in the 12K range
which isn't all that bad if you get good clean logs. Many (not all) Chinese
perceive the US airman as a rich playboy who has little actual business
acumen, who can't read Chinese, and really won't know the difference between
a second, third, or even a forth overhauled engine. My advice is to insist
on proper logs and get those logs translated BEFORE any money changes hands,
and do not ever buy a 3rd or forth overhauled engine. We are at this time
dealing with the Czech factory who builds a 315 hp engine which is nearly
identical to the HS6A, if all goes well we may shortly have a solution to
the current engine problem.
About supporting our community:
Absolutely! If we don't we will all surly fail and our aircraft will become
hanger queens, barely worth what they were back in the "old days" when you
could buy one in the box for 25K. The availability of parts, the low cost
of the parts is only a portion of the reason why these aircraft are so
popular. The number one reason why ALL these types of aircraft (the Yaks
included) continue to flourish is not really because of the aircraft or the
few of us who are selling parts, it's because of all you folks, sharing
info, and taking a caring attitude about rather this owner or that pilot is
in the air or not, and giving your time and efforts to make it so.
A short note about parts interchangeability:
Dennis Savarese, Mark Bitterlich, and Jill Gernetzke, and myself have been
comparing notes and are finding many parts which are interchangeable between
the CJ6A and the Yak 52. The 50 is a question mark but I do know of a few
crossover parts there also. So before you start making your own parts, or
shopping at Lowes or Wal-Mart, check with one of us, we may be able to help.
Tim, here's your soap box back, and by the way, great post, spot on.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: State of the community....our collective future.
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Dead on Tim.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/1/2006 7:03:37 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: State of the community....our collective future.
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> The price of spark plugs may highlight a bigger issue that I have always
been concerned with, the future availability of parts and maintainability
of these airplanes.
>
> I have exercised some privileges of the "experimental" nature of these
airplanes after having what could have been a catastrophic gear failure. (I
was not flying the airplane at the time). I found a local shop to
manufacture the needed part (and had an extra made) and fixed one problem.
Others have done the same and will continue to do so.
>
> I have considered what airplane I would get if the time comes to replace
my -50. I simply cannot think of another airplane that would fill my need
right now and after knowing the Yak product for three years, it will be
hard to buy something else with such confidence.
>
> It is incumbent upon us as owners and operators of these airplanes to
support each other in anyway possible, whether it is through answering a
simple question (like Dennis always does...thanks D) or providing parts at
a reasonable cost. (Like Doug Sapp). It also helps that we have someone on
our side in the insurance industry (TJ of Airpower). There are some within
this community that are less than honest and give all of us a bad name.
>
> I have tried to share what I have or what I know (which is very little)
with anyone who ask. I have depended on others to assist me along the way
and have, with only a few exceptions, never been let down. I have repaid
those people with either business or sales leads. I have educated those who
thought less than favorably about Russian airplanes.
>
> We need to police ourselves professionally, assist another owner when we
can, spread the word about these fantastic airplanes, and keep these
airplanes economical to own and operate. I am concerned that someday that
one part I may need will only have once source and that source may be
overseas. I must also have faith that I will not be the only one who has
needed that one part and has used some old fashioned American ingenuity to
make a new one.
>
> Long term viability of these airplanes should be a group concern and as a
group, we need to work on our collective future.
>
> Soap Box..Dismount.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=37966#37966
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reply to State of the CJ6 community....our collective future. |
Lets hear a cyber cheer for Doug! Doug and other True Believers could certainly
make money an easier way than supporting these airplanes and the community around
them. Ours is an active and close knit community. Witness the numerous events
we attend and the comraderie that develops. This is reflected by the reputable
people that supply parts and services vital to our flying needs.
11 years ago when I got my CJ, the parts supply was spotty and my machinist became
my backseater. Today I miss my backseater and a few phone numbers in my wallet
will see me through most situations I could encounter.
Personally, I'm NOT touting the advantages of owning these aircraft anymore; the
word is already out in the Warbird community and I'd prefer stable prices and
affordable insurance. But somehow those Newbies keep on showing up. Good for
them.
One Dark Cloud in this rosy picture, the re-valuation of the Yuan to the US Dollar,
Likewise with the Ruble and Euro.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Herb Coussons <drc@wscare.com>
Very little feedback on who's coming.
Helps to have a headcount for planning.
SINCE THE EVENTS SECTION IS DOWN - SEND ME AN EMAIL TO LET ME KNOW
YOU ARE COMING !!
INCLUDE:
Pilot ----
GIB ----
N# -----
Type ----
Wing / Lead / None
Arrival date ----
Sergei - Yes / No ?
Preferred Oil ---
MTW airshow is this weekend. Great weather expected! I will go
check out the runway situation.
A few of the lesser known gang will be there.
The Hoppers (L39) will be there.
Herb
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| Subject: | compressor shear pin |
Craig and all,
No cheering necessary, I'm in this for the long haul, glad to be of service
and I do thank you all for your support. Enough of that---
Question of the day: Has anyone ever heard of a 285 hp engine shearing the
pin in the compressor? I am about to suggest that the Chinese 285 hp
compressor does not have a shear pin. I said "about" because it is not
visible in the parts book. I'll know more after I pull one apart this
weekend.
Opinions?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:20 PM
To: yak-list
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Reply to State of the CJ6 community....our
collective future.
Lets hear a cyber cheer for Doug! Doug and other True Believers could
certainly make money an easier way than supporting these airplanes and the
community around them. Ours is an active and close knit community. Witness
the numerous events we attend and the comraderie that develops. This is
reflected by the reputable people that supply parts and services vital to
our flying needs.
11 years ago when I got my CJ, the parts supply was spotty and my
machinist became my backseater. Today I miss my backseater and a few phone
numbers in my wallet will see me through most situations I could encounter.
Personally, I'm NOT touting the advantages of owning these aircraft
anymore; the word is already out in the Warbird community and I'd prefer
stable prices and affordable insurance. But somehow those Newbies keep on
showing up. Good for them.
One Dark Cloud in this rosy picture, the re-valuation of the Yuan to the
US Dollar, Likewise with the Ruble and Euro.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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Cc: "Robert \(Mena Aircraft Eng.\) Smith, Jr." <rbsmith@cswnet.com>
| Subject: | Re: suggestions needed[LashBack] |
Pete,
My friend Dave DeSimone owns a Seneca V and a Yak 52. Dave has been
looking into having his engines overhauled as well. I recommended he
contact Mena Aircraft Engines in Mena, Arkansas. Dave has done so and
finds that Mena's quality and pricing is superior to many other overhaul
shops.
Mena has built many custom and high performance aircraft engines and I
personally have met Robert Smith, Jr., the president of the company. A
real quality guy. His telephone number is 479-394-7688. Their web site
is www.menaaircraftengines.com and Robert's email address is
rbsmith@cswnet.com.
If you call him, tell him Dennis Savarese from Wetumpka, AL with the Yak
52 recommended his shop.
Best regards,
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: PeteAbbott@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: suggestions needed[LashBack]
I have a Yak 52 and have followed this post for 2 years. The depth of
knowledge of this group is very interesting.
I know that this does not concern the yak community but I need to draw
from your experiences regarding engine overhaul shops. I have a Seneca
3 with an engine problem. It is a high time engine so we are looking to
overhaul it.
Any suggestions, good or bad would be helpful. My email address is
peteabbott@aol.com
Thanks
Pete
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| Subject: | Re: compressor shear pin[LashBack] |
Doug,
On the M14 it is a shear coupling, not a shear pin. The two halves of
the coupling are held in place by shear pins. Since the compressor on
the Huosai engine is identical to the Russian compressor and the drive
section of the compressors are identical, I would believe there is a
shear coupling. The shear coupling mates the compressor drive to the
accessory drive. Should the compressor seize during operation or there
be a serious backlash, the couple halves shear apart and thus prevents
serious damage to the engine accessory drive.
I also went through the IPB and could not find anything that resembles
the shear coupling. I guess you will have to take a compressor off an
engine to see.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 7:12 PM
Subject: Yak-List: compressor shear pin[LashBack]
Craig and all,
No cheering necessary, I'm in this for the long haul, glad to be of
service and I do thank you all for your support. Enough of that---
Question of the day: Has anyone ever heard of a 285 hp engine
shearing the pin in the compressor? I am about to suggest that the
Chinese 285 hp compressor does not have a shear pin. I said "about"
because it is not visible in the parts book. I'll know more after I
pull one apart this weekend.
Opinions?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:20 PM
To: yak-list
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Reply to State of the CJ6 [LashBack]
community....our collective future.
Lets hear a cyber cheer for Doug! Doug and other True Believers
could certainly make money an easier way than supporting these airplanes
and the community around them. Ours is an active and close knit
community. Witness the numerous events we attend and the comraderie that
develops. This is reflected by the reputable people that supply parts
and services vital to our flying needs.
11 years ago when I got my CJ, the parts supply was spotty and my
machinist became my backseater. Today I miss my backseater and a few
phone numbers in my wallet will see me through most situations I could
encounter.
Personally, I'm NOT touting the advantages of owning these aircraft
anymore; the word is already out in the Warbird community and I'd prefer
stable prices and affordable insurance. But somehow those Newbies keep
on showing up. Good for them.
One Dark Cloud in this rosy picture, the re-valuation of the Yuan to
the US Dollar, Likewise with the Ruble and Euro.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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