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1. 12:43 AM - shear coupling (Mark Jefferies YAK UK)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: shear coupling (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 05:26 AM - Reform, AL Fly In (David McGirt)
4. 05:53 AM - Re: Reform, AL Fly In (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 06:03 AM - Re: compressor shear pin (Jim Bernier)
6. 06:21 AM - Re: compressor shear pin (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 08:39 AM - Re: compressor shear pin (doug sapp)
8. 08:54 AM - 2005 AT-6 wing loss final FAA report (doug sapp)
9. 09:35 AM - Re: compressor shear pin (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 09:51 AM - Re: compressor shear pin (David McGirt)
11. 02:17 PM - Just say no to wing tip overlap (David McGirt)
12. 03:13 PM - Re: compressor shear pin (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
13. 03:41 PM - Re: compressor shear pin (doug sapp)
14. 04:03 PM - Re: compressor shear pin (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
15. 04:37 PM - Re: OSH/MTW (cjpilot710@aol.com)
16. 04:44 PM - Sun-n-Fun (FamilyGage@aol.com)
17. 04:58 PM - (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 06:26 PM - Re: Just say no to wing tip overlap (Roger Kemp)
19. 09:23 PM - Changing a Yak-55 to 55M? (Paul)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK" <mj@yakuk.com>
The compressor on the YAK 11 is identical to M14 which appears to be same as
CJ but it DOES NOT have a shear coupling.
Don't assume the CJ does. !!
Cheers, mj
Time:
07:23:45 PM PST US
From:
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: compressor shear pin[LashBack]
Doug,
On the M14 it is a shear coupling, not a shear pin. The two halves of
the coupling are held in place by shear pins. Since the compressor on
the Huosai engine is identical to the Russian compressor and the drive
section of the compressors are identical, I would believe there is a
shear coupling. The shear coupling mates the compressor drive to the
accessory drive. Should the compressor seize during operation or
there
be a serious backlash, the couple halves shear apart and thus
prevents
serious damage to the engine accessory drive.
I also went through the IPB and could not find anything that resembles
the shear coupling. I guess you will have to take a compressor off an
engine to see.
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: shear coupling |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Good point Mark.
Thanks
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK" <mj@yakuk.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:34 AM
Subject: Yak-List: shear coupling
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies YAK UK" <mj@yakuk.com>
>
> The compressor on the YAK 11 is identical to M14 which appears to be same
> as
> CJ but it DOES NOT have a shear coupling.
>
>
> Don't assume the CJ does. !!
>
>
> Cheers, mj
>
>
> Time:
>
> 07:23:45 PM PST US
>
>
> From:
>
> "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
>
> Subject:
>
> Re: compressor shear pin[LashBack]
>
>
> Doug,
> On the M14 it is a shear coupling, not a shear pin. The two halves
> of
> the coupling are held in place by shear pins. Since the compressor
> on
> the Huosai engine is identical to the Russian compressor and the
> drive
> section of the compressors are identical, I would believe there is a
> shear coupling. The shear coupling mates the compressor drive to the
> accessory drive. Should the compressor seize during operation or
> there
> be a serious backlash, the couple halves shear apart and thus
> prevents
> serious damage to the engine accessory drive.
>
> I also went through the IPB and could not find anything that
> resembles
> the shear coupling. I guess you will have to take a compressor off
> an
> engine to see.
> Dennis
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Reform, AL Fly In |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
Thanks again to everyone that showed up for the fun fly this past weekend,
it was a blast. We had (5) Yaks (4) CJ's ,(1) L-39 and (1) Yak 9 , not a
bad showing.. there were ~ 4 T-6's, 4-French tubs, and assorted other Cubs,
etc there.. Good flying and good times
Thanks for the great day all that were there
Couple of pics..
http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/06-05-06_Reform_Funfly/Old_Snort.JPG
http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/06-05-06_Reform_Funfly/Some_of_the_crew.JPG
David
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| Subject: | Re: Reform, AL Fly In |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
I had intended to be there David. But here at Wetumpka we had fog and less
than 800' ceilings (as usual). I called Jerome Hickman and told him of our
dilemma. It didn't start breaking up until around 11 AM. Hopefully we'll
be able to make Reform for the Veterans Day fly-over in November.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:25 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Reform, AL Fly In
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
>
> Thanks again to everyone that showed up for the fun fly this past weekend,
> it was a blast. We had (5) Yaks (4) CJ's ,(1) L-39 and (1) Yak 9 , not a
> bad showing.. there were ~ 4 T-6's, 4-French tubs, and assorted other
> Cubs,
> etc there.. Good flying and good times
>
> Thanks for the great day all that were there
>
> Couple of pics..
> http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/06-05-06_Reform_Funfly/Old_Snort.JPG
>
> http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/06-05-06_Reform_Funfly/Some_of_the_crew.JPG
>
>
> David
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: compressor shear pin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Doug
On another CJ6A compressor note. I had a problem developing over 20 atmospheres.
Just enough to start but not enough to feel good about it. I have an extra compressor
so I started to take the problem off the engine. After observing the
effort that I would have to undergo I decided to reevaluate the approach That
I was taking. The compressor comes in two parts: the drive unit and the compressor
head. I tried to take the power head off the drive unit and to my surprise
it came off easy. Four nuts and pull the cylinder up, rotate the cylinder 45
degrees, push the pin out from the back and it comes free. Great piece of engineering.
But that wasn't my problem. Turns out that the output valve was stuck
partially open. Allowing air to be sucked back in through the output line.
After cleaning the valve it works again. The moral of the story is to not jump
to the conclusion that you need to replace the whole compressor. When you may
only have a dirty valve.
I love this plane.
Jim B
>>> rvfltd@televar.com 06/02/06 7:12 PM >>>
Craig and all,
No cheering necessary, I'm in this for the long haul, glad to be of service
and I do thank you all for your support. Enough of that---
Question of the day: Has anyone ever heard of a 285 hp engine shearing the
pin in the compressor? I am about to suggest that the Chinese 285 hp
compressor does not have a shear pin. I said "about" because it is not
visible in the parts book. I'll know more after I pull one apart this
weekend.
Opinions?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:20 PM
To: yak-list
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Reply to State of the CJ6 community....our
collective future.
Lets hear a cyber cheer for Doug! Doug and other True Believers could
certainly make money an easier way than supporting these airplanes and the
community around them. Ours is an active and close knit community. Witness
the numerous events we attend and the comraderie that develops. This is
reflected by the reputable people that supply parts and services vital to
our flying needs.
11 years ago when I got my CJ, the parts supply was spotty and my
machinist became my backseater. Today I miss my backseater and a few phone
numbers in my wallet will see me through most situations I could encounter.
Personally, I'm NOT touting the advantages of owning these aircraft
anymore; the word is already out in the Warbird community and I'd prefer
stable prices and affordable insurance. But somehow those Newbies keep on
showing up. Good for them.
One Dark Cloud in this rosy picture, the re-valuation of the Yuan to the
US Dollar, Likewise with the Ruble and Euro.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: compressor shear pin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Excellent post Jim. The problem you've described is quite common. .
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
>
> Doug
> On another CJ6A compressor note. I had a problem developing over 20
> atmospheres. Just enough to start but not enough to feel good about it. I
> have an extra compressor so I started to take the problem off the engine.
> After observing the effort that I would have to undergo I decided to
> reevaluate the approach That I was taking. The compressor comes in two
> parts: the drive unit and the compressor head. I tried to take the power
> head off the drive unit and to my surprise it came off easy. Four nuts and
> pull the cylinder up, rotate the cylinder 45 degrees, push the pin out
> from the back and it comes free. Great piece of engineering. But that
> wasn't my problem. Turns out that the output valve was stuck partially
> open. Allowing air to be sucked back in through the output line. After
> cleaning the valve it works again. The moral of the story is to not jump
> to the conclusion that you need to replace the whole compressor. When you
> may only have a dirty valve.
> I love this plane.
> Jim B
>
>>>> rvfltd@televar.com 06/02/06 7:12 PM >>>
> Craig and all,
> No cheering necessary, I'm in this for the long haul, glad to be of
> service
> and I do thank you all for your support. Enough of that---
>
>
> Question of the day: Has anyone ever heard of a 285 hp engine shearing
> the
> pin in the compressor? I am about to suggest that the Chinese 285 hp
> compressor does not have a shear pin. I said "about" because it is not
> visible in the parts book. I'll know more after I pull one apart this
> weekend.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:20 PM
> To: yak-list
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Reply to State of the CJ6 community....our
> collective future.
>
>
> Lets hear a cyber cheer for Doug! Doug and other True Believers could
> certainly make money an easier way than supporting these airplanes and the
> community around them. Ours is an active and close knit community. Witness
> the numerous events we attend and the comraderie that develops. This is
> reflected by the reputable people that supply parts and services vital to
> our flying needs.
>
> 11 years ago when I got my CJ, the parts supply was spotty and my
> machinist became my backseater. Today I miss my backseater and a few phone
> numbers in my wallet will see me through most situations I could
> encounter.
>
> Personally, I'm NOT touting the advantages of owning these aircraft
> anymore; the word is already out in the Warbird community and I'd prefer
> stable prices and affordable insurance. But somehow those Newbies keep on
> showing up. Good for them.
>
> One Dark Cloud in this rosy picture, the re-valuation of the Yuan to the
> US Dollar, Likewise with the Ruble and Euro.
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | compressor shear pin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Jim,
Your 100% correct, a sticky or dirty poppet valve is often the culprit.
Keep those compressor intake filters changed on a regular basis, their cheap
and will prevent loss of hair, and the useless exercise and expansion of
one's vocabulary.
Another problem I have found is a small crack in the rigid tubing which runs
from the compressor to the snot valve. I have been making up some soft
lines to replace this metal line which has a history of cracking, especially
on the M14P's in the CJ's and Yak 52's.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Bernier
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Doug
On another CJ6A compressor note. I had a problem developing over 20
atmospheres. Just enough to start but not enough to feel good about it. I
have an extra compressor so I started to take the problem off the engine.
After observing the effort that I would have to undergo I decided to
reevaluate the approach That I was taking. The compressor comes in two
parts: the drive unit and the compressor head. I tried to take the power
head off the drive unit and to my surprise it came off easy. Four nuts and
pull the cylinder up, rotate the cylinder 45 degrees, push the pin out from
the back and it comes free. Great piece of engineering. But that wasn't my
problem. Turns out that the output valve was stuck partially open. Allowing
air to be sucked back in through the output line. After cleaning the valve
it works again. The moral of the story is to not jump to the conclusion that
you need to replace the whole compressor. When you may only have a dirty
valve.
I love this plane.
Jim B
>>> rvfltd@televar.com 06/02/06 7:12 PM >>>
Craig and all,
No cheering necessary, I'm in this for the long haul, glad to be of service
and I do thank you all for your support. Enough of that---
Question of the day: Has anyone ever heard of a 285 hp engine shearing the
pin in the compressor? I am about to suggest that the Chinese 285 hp
compressor does not have a shear pin. I said "about" because it is not
visible in the parts book. I'll know more after I pull one apart this
weekend.
Opinions?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:20 PM
To: yak-list
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Reply to State of the CJ6 community....our
collective future.
Lets hear a cyber cheer for Doug! Doug and other True Believers could
certainly make money an easier way than supporting these airplanes and the
community around them. Ours is an active and close knit community. Witness
the numerous events we attend and the comraderie that develops. This is
reflected by the reputable people that supply parts and services vital to
our flying needs.
11 years ago when I got my CJ, the parts supply was spotty and my
machinist became my backseater. Today I miss my backseater and a few phone
numbers in my wallet will see me through most situations I could encounter.
Personally, I'm NOT touting the advantages of owning these aircraft
anymore; the word is already out in the Warbird community and I'd prefer
stable prices and affordable insurance. But somehow those Newbies keep on
showing up. Good for them.
One Dark Cloud in this rosy picture, the re-valuation of the Yuan to the
US Dollar, Likewise with the Ruble and Euro.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | 2005 AT-6 wing loss final FAA report |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 050517X00623&key=1
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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| Subject: | Re: compressor shear pin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Doug's point about the metal line running from the compressor output check
valve to the "snot" bottle is right on the money. I purchased one of Doug's
flexible replacement hoses with the banjo and "B" nut fittings for one of my
customers and I will say it is a much easier installation with much less
propensity to crack. Doug has the correct dimensions for the M14/Yak 52
including the TW's. So if you believe you have a problem with that specific
line, try replacing it with one from Doug. I can guarantee you it is easier
to obtain and then install than fabricating a metal line with a 360 degree
loop in it and trying to fish it back into place, particularly on TW's.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Jim,
> Your 100% correct, a sticky or dirty poppet valve is often the culprit.
> Keep those compressor intake filters changed on a regular basis, their
> cheap
> and will prevent loss of hair, and the useless exercise and expansion of
> one's vocabulary.
>
> Another problem I have found is a small crack in the rigid tubing which
> runs
> from the compressor to the snot valve. I have been making up some soft
> lines to replace this metal line which has a history of cracking,
> especially
> on the M14P's in the CJ's and Yak 52's.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Bernier
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:03 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
>
> Doug
> On another CJ6A compressor note. I had a problem developing over 20
> atmospheres. Just enough to start but not enough to feel good about it. I
> have an extra compressor so I started to take the problem off the engine.
> After observing the effort that I would have to undergo I decided to
> reevaluate the approach That I was taking. The compressor comes in two
> parts: the drive unit and the compressor head. I tried to take the power
> head off the drive unit and to my surprise it came off easy. Four nuts and
> pull the cylinder up, rotate the cylinder 45 degrees, push the pin out
> from
> the back and it comes free. Great piece of engineering. But that wasn't my
> problem. Turns out that the output valve was stuck partially open.
> Allowing
> air to be sucked back in through the output line. After cleaning the valve
> it works again. The moral of the story is to not jump to the conclusion
> that
> you need to replace the whole compressor. When you may only have a dirty
> valve.
> I love this plane.
> Jim B
>
>>>> rvfltd@televar.com 06/02/06 7:12 PM >>>
> Craig and all,
> No cheering necessary, I'm in this for the long haul, glad to be of
> service
> and I do thank you all for your support. Enough of that---
>
>
> Question of the day: Has anyone ever heard of a 285 hp engine shearing
> the
> pin in the compressor? I am about to suggest that the Chinese 285 hp
> compressor does not have a shear pin. I said "about" because it is not
> visible in the parts book. I'll know more after I pull one apart this
> weekend.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:20 PM
> To: yak-list
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Reply to State of the CJ6
> community....our[LashBack]
> collective future.
>
>
> Lets hear a cyber cheer for Doug! Doug and other True Believers could
> certainly make money an easier way than supporting these airplanes and the
> community around them. Ours is an active and close knit community. Witness
> the numerous events we attend and the comraderie that develops. This is
> reflected by the reputable people that supply parts and services vital to
> our flying needs.
>
> 11 years ago when I got my CJ, the parts supply was spotty and my
> machinist became my backseater. Today I miss my backseater and a few phone
> numbers in my wallet will see me through most situations I could
> encounter.
>
> Personally, I'm NOT touting the advantages of owning these aircraft
> anymore; the word is already out in the Warbird community and I'd prefer
> stable prices and affordable insurance. But somehow those Newbies keep on
> showing up. Good for them.
>
> One Dark Cloud in this rosy picture, the re-valuation of the Yuan to the
> US Dollar, Likewise with the Ruble and Euro.
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | compressor shear pin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David McGirt" <david@mcgirt.net>
Does someone have a picture on an installation?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Doug's point about the metal line running from the compressor output check
valve to the "snot" bottle is right on the money. I purchased one of Doug's
flexible replacement hoses with the banjo and "B" nut fittings for one of my
customers and I will say it is a much easier installation with much less
propensity to crack. Doug has the correct dimensions for the M14/Yak 52
including the TW's. So if you believe you have a problem with that specific
line, try replacing it with one from Doug. I can guarantee you it is easier
to obtain and then install than fabricating a metal line with a 360 degree
loop in it and trying to fish it back into place, particularly on TW's.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Jim,
> Your 100% correct, a sticky or dirty poppet valve is often the culprit.
> Keep those compressor intake filters changed on a regular basis, their
> cheap
> and will prevent loss of hair, and the useless exercise and expansion of
> one's vocabulary.
>
> Another problem I have found is a small crack in the rigid tubing which
> runs
> from the compressor to the snot valve. I have been making up some soft
> lines to replace this metal line which has a history of cracking,
> especially
> on the M14P's in the CJ's and Yak 52's.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Bernier
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:03 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
>
> Doug
> On another CJ6A compressor note. I had a problem developing over 20
> atmospheres. Just enough to start but not enough to feel good about it. I
> have an extra compressor so I started to take the problem off the engine.
> After observing the effort that I would have to undergo I decided to
> reevaluate the approach That I was taking. The compressor comes in two
> parts: the drive unit and the compressor head. I tried to take the power
> head off the drive unit and to my surprise it came off easy. Four nuts and
> pull the cylinder up, rotate the cylinder 45 degrees, push the pin out
> from
> the back and it comes free. Great piece of engineering. But that wasn't my
> problem. Turns out that the output valve was stuck partially open.
> Allowing
> air to be sucked back in through the output line. After cleaning the valve
> it works again. The moral of the story is to not jump to the conclusion
> that
> you need to replace the whole compressor. When you may only have a dirty
> valve.
> I love this plane.
> Jim B
>
>>>> rvfltd@televar.com 06/02/06 7:12 PM >>>
> Craig and all,
> No cheering necessary, I'm in this for the long haul, glad to be of
> service
> and I do thank you all for your support. Enough of that---
>
>
> Question of the day: Has anyone ever heard of a 285 hp engine shearing
> the
> pin in the compressor? I am about to suggest that the Chinese 285 hp
> compressor does not have a shear pin. I said "about" because it is not
> visible in the parts book. I'll know more after I pull one apart this
> weekend.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:20 PM
> To: yak-list
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Reply to State of the CJ6
> community....our[LashBack]
> collective future.
>
>
> Lets hear a cyber cheer for Doug! Doug and other True Believers could
> certainly make money an easier way than supporting these airplanes and the
> community around them. Ours is an active and close knit community. Witness
> the numerous events we attend and the comraderie that develops. This is
> reflected by the reputable people that supply parts and services vital to
> our flying needs.
>
> 11 years ago when I got my CJ, the parts supply was spotty and my
> machinist became my backseater. Today I miss my backseater and a few phone
> numbers in my wallet will see me through most situations I could
> encounter.
>
> Personally, I'm NOT touting the advantages of owning these aircraft
> anymore; the word is already out in the Warbird community and I'd prefer
> stable prices and affordable insurance. But somehow those Newbies keep on
> showing up. Good for them.
>
> One Dark Cloud in this rosy picture, the re-valuation of the Yuan to the
> US Dollar, Likewise with the Ruble and Euro.
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | compressor shear pin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Another problem you have found? Ahmmm..... Ah..... great idea you had there
Doug!
:-)
In addition, the flexible line puts much less stress on the Compressors Banjo Fitting.
The new YAK-52W or 52TW now has the original metal line with the loop
attached to a small piece of FLEX line.
Bottom line, I have used a flex line from the compressor to snot valve for 5 years
now, and for over 500 hours with no negative impact.
EVERY Yak-50 or 52 owner (minus the "W" versions) needs to replace this line.
Either do it now, or do it later, and in a pinch, the Sukhoi smoke line fits perfectly.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
p.s. Still no check from UPS Doug.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:34
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Doug's point about the metal line running from the compressor output check
valve to the "snot" bottle is right on the money. I purchased one of Doug's
flexible replacement hoses with the banjo and "B" nut fittings for one of my
customers and I will say it is a much easier installation with much less
propensity to crack. Doug has the correct dimensions for the M14/Yak 52
including the TW's. So if you believe you have a problem with that specific
line, try replacing it with one from Doug. I can guarantee you it is easier
to obtain and then install than fabricating a metal line with a 360 degree
loop in it and trying to fish it back into place, particularly on TW's.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Jim,
> Your 100% correct, a sticky or dirty poppet valve is often the culprit.
> Keep those compressor intake filters changed on a regular basis, their
> cheap
> and will prevent loss of hair, and the useless exercise and expansion of
> one's vocabulary.
>
> Another problem I have found is a small crack in the rigid tubing which
> runs
> from the compressor to the snot valve. I have been making up some soft
> lines to replace this metal line which has a history of cracking,
> especially
> on the M14P's in the CJ's and Yak 52's.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Bernier
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:03 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
>
> Doug
> On another CJ6A compressor note. I had a problem developing over 20
> atmospheres. Just enough to start but not enough to feel good about it. I
> have an extra compressor so I started to take the problem off the engine.
> After observing the effort that I would have to undergo I decided to
> reevaluate the approach That I was taking. The compressor comes in two
> parts: the drive unit and the compressor head. I tried to take the power
> head off the drive unit and to my surprise it came off easy. Four nuts and
> pull the cylinder up, rotate the cylinder 45 degrees, push the pin out
> from
> the back and it comes free. Great piece of engineering. But that wasn't my
> problem. Turns out that the output valve was stuck partially open.
> Allowing
> air to be sucked back in through the output line. After cleaning the valve
> it works again. The moral of the story is to not jump to the conclusion
> that
> you need to replace the whole compressor. When you may only have a dirty
> valve.
> I love this plane.
> Jim B
>
>>>> rvfltd@televar.com 06/02/06 7:12 PM >>>
> Craig and all,
> No cheering necessary, I'm in this for the long haul, glad to be of
> service
> and I do thank you all for your support. Enough of that---
>
>
> Question of the day: Has anyone ever heard of a 285 hp engine shearing
> the
> pin in the compressor? I am about to suggest that the Chinese 285 hp
> compressor does not have a shear pin. I said "about" because it is not
> visible in the parts book. I'll know more after I pull one apart this
> weekend.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:20 PM
> To: yak-list
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Reply to State of the CJ6
> community....our[LashBack]
> collective future.
>
>
> Lets hear a cyber cheer for Doug! Doug and other True Believers could
> certainly make money an easier way than supporting these airplanes and the
> community around them. Ours is an active and close knit community. Witness
> the numerous events we attend and the comraderie that develops. This is
> reflected by the reputable people that supply parts and services vital to
> our flying needs.
>
> 11 years ago when I got my CJ, the parts supply was spotty and my
> machinist became my backseater. Today I miss my backseater and a few phone
> numbers in my wallet will see me through most situations I could
> encounter.
>
> Personally, I'm NOT touting the advantages of owning these aircraft
> anymore; the word is already out in the Warbird community and I'd prefer
> stable prices and affordable insurance. But somehow those Newbies keep on
> showing up. Good for them.
>
> One Dark Cloud in this rosy picture, the re-valuation of the Yuan to the
> US Dollar, Likewise with the Ruble and Euro.
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | compressor shear pin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Gang,
Credit is due to Mark to giving me the heads up on this mod, it was NOT
totally my idea.
Nice jab mark!! ;o)
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
P.S. Still no worry Mark!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Another problem you have found? Ahmmm..... Ah..... great idea you had
there Doug!
:-)
In addition, the flexible line puts much less stress on the Compressors
Banjo Fitting. The new YAK-52W or 52TW now has the original metal line with
the loop attached to a small piece of FLEX line.
Bottom line, I have used a flex line from the compressor to snot valve for 5
years now, and for over 500 hours with no negative impact.
EVERY Yak-50 or 52 owner (minus the "W" versions) needs to replace this
line. Either do it now, or do it later, and in a pinch, the Sukhoi smoke
line fits perfectly.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
p.s. Still no check from UPS Doug.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:34
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Doug's point about the metal line running from the compressor output check
valve to the "snot" bottle is right on the money. I purchased one of Doug's
flexible replacement hoses with the banjo and "B" nut fittings for one of my
customers and I will say it is a much easier installation with much less
propensity to crack. Doug has the correct dimensions for the M14/Yak 52
including the TW's. So if you believe you have a problem with that specific
line, try replacing it with one from Doug. I can guarantee you it is easier
to obtain and then install than fabricating a metal line with a 360 degree
loop in it and trying to fish it back into place, particularly on TW's.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Jim,
> Your 100% correct, a sticky or dirty poppet valve is often the culprit.
> Keep those compressor intake filters changed on a regular basis, their
> cheap
> and will prevent loss of hair, and the useless exercise and expansion of
> one's vocabulary.
>
> Another problem I have found is a small crack in the rigid tubing which
> runs
> from the compressor to the snot valve. I have been making up some soft
> lines to replace this metal line which has a history of cracking,
> especially
> on the M14P's in the CJ's and Yak 52's.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Bernier
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:03 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
>
> Doug
> On another CJ6A compressor note. I had a problem developing over 20
> atmospheres. Just enough to start but not enough to feel good about it. I
> have an extra compressor so I started to take the problem off the engine.
> After observing the effort that I would have to undergo I decided to
> reevaluate the approach That I was taking. The compressor comes in two
> parts: the drive unit and the compressor head. I tried to take the power
> head off the drive unit and to my surprise it came off easy. Four nuts and
> pull the cylinder up, rotate the cylinder 45 degrees, push the pin out
> from
> the back and it comes free. Great piece of engineering. But that wasn't my
> problem. Turns out that the output valve was stuck partially open.
> Allowing
> air to be sucked back in through the output line. After cleaning the valve
> it works again. The moral of the story is to not jump to the conclusion
> that
> you need to replace the whole compressor. When you may only have a dirty
> valve.
> I love this plane.
> Jim B
>
>>>> rvfltd@televar.com 06/02/06 7:12 PM >>>
> Craig and all,
> No cheering necessary, I'm in this for the long haul, glad to be of
> service
> and I do thank you all for your support. Enough of that---
>
>
> Question of the day: Has anyone ever heard of a 285 hp engine shearing
> the
> pin in the compressor? I am about to suggest that the Chinese 285 hp
> compressor does not have a shear pin. I said "about" because it is not
> visible in the parts book. I'll know more after I pull one apart this
> weekend.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:20 PM
> To: yak-list
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Reply to State of the CJ6
> community....our[LashBack]
> collective future.
>
>
> Lets hear a cyber cheer for Doug! Doug and other True Believers could
> certainly make money an easier way than supporting these airplanes and the
> community around them. Ours is an active and close knit community. Witness
> the numerous events we attend and the comraderie that develops. This is
> reflected by the reputable people that supply parts and services vital to
> our flying needs.
>
> 11 years ago when I got my CJ, the parts supply was spotty and my
> machinist became my backseater. Today I miss my backseater and a few phone
> numbers in my wallet will see me through most situations I could
> encounter.
>
> Personally, I'm NOT touting the advantages of owning these aircraft
> anymore; the word is already out in the Warbird community and I'd prefer
> stable prices and affordable insurance. But somehow those Newbies keep on
> showing up. Good for them.
>
> One Dark Cloud in this rosy picture, the re-valuation of the Yuan to the
> US Dollar, Likewise with the Ruble and Euro.
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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| Subject: | compressor shear pin |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
I was just messing with you Doug...... :-) But thanks.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
p.s. Tom Johnson pointed out to me that it really does not matter who's idea it
was, just that we all gain from the idea. I have to admit that his point of
view has merit!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 18:41
Subject: RE: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Gang,
Credit is due to Mark to giving me the heads up on this mod, it was NOT
totally my idea.
Nice jab mark!! ;o)
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
P.S. Still no worry Mark!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bitterlich,
Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Another problem you have found? Ahmmm..... Ah..... great idea you had
there Doug!
:-)
In addition, the flexible line puts much less stress on the Compressors
Banjo Fitting. The new YAK-52W or 52TW now has the original metal line with
the loop attached to a small piece of FLEX line.
Bottom line, I have used a flex line from the compressor to snot valve for 5
years now, and for over 500 hours with no negative impact.
EVERY Yak-50 or 52 owner (minus the "W" versions) needs to replace this
line. Either do it now, or do it later, and in a pinch, the Sukhoi smoke
line fits perfectly.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
p.s. Still no check from UPS Doug.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 12:34
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Doug's point about the metal line running from the compressor output check
valve to the "snot" bottle is right on the money. I purchased one of Doug's
flexible replacement hoses with the banjo and "B" nut fittings for one of my
customers and I will say it is a much easier installation with much less
propensity to crack. Doug has the correct dimensions for the M14/Yak 52
including the TW's. So if you believe you have a problem with that specific
line, try replacing it with one from Doug. I can guarantee you it is easier
to obtain and then install than fabricating a metal line with a 360 degree
loop in it and trying to fish it back into place, particularly on TW's.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Jim,
> Your 100% correct, a sticky or dirty poppet valve is often the culprit.
> Keep those compressor intake filters changed on a regular basis, their
> cheap
> and will prevent loss of hair, and the useless exercise and expansion of
> one's vocabulary.
>
> Another problem I have found is a small crack in the rigid tubing which
> runs
> from the compressor to the snot valve. I have been making up some soft
> lines to replace this metal line which has a history of cracking,
> especially
> on the M14P's in the CJ's and Yak 52's.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Bernier
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 6:03 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor shear pin
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
>
> Doug
> On another CJ6A compressor note. I had a problem developing over 20
> atmospheres. Just enough to start but not enough to feel good about it. I
> have an extra compressor so I started to take the problem off the engine.
> After observing the effort that I would have to undergo I decided to
> reevaluate the approach That I was taking. The compressor comes in two
> parts: the drive unit and the compressor head. I tried to take the power
> head off the drive unit and to my surprise it came off easy. Four nuts and
> pull the cylinder up, rotate the cylinder 45 degrees, push the pin out
> from
> the back and it comes free. Great piece of engineering. But that wasn't my
> problem. Turns out that the output valve was stuck partially open.
> Allowing
> air to be sucked back in through the output line. After cleaning the valve
> it works again. The moral of the story is to not jump to the conclusion
> that
> you need to replace the whole compressor. When you may only have a dirty
> valve.
> I love this plane.
> Jim B
>
>>>> rvfltd@televar.com 06/02/06 7:12 PM >>>
> Craig and all,
> No cheering necessary, I'm in this for the long haul, glad to be of
> service
> and I do thank you all for your support. Enough of that---
>
>
> Question of the day: Has anyone ever heard of a 285 hp engine shearing
> the
> pin in the compressor? I am about to suggest that the Chinese 285 hp
> compressor does not have a shear pin. I said "about" because it is not
> visible in the parts book. I'll know more after I pull one apart this
> weekend.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
> Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:20 PM
> To: yak-list
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Reply to State of the CJ6
> community....our[LashBack]
> collective future.
>
>
> Lets hear a cyber cheer for Doug! Doug and other True Believers could
> certainly make money an easier way than supporting these airplanes and the
> community around them. Ours is an active and close knit community. Witness
> the numerous events we attend and the comraderie that develops. This is
> reflected by the reputable people that supply parts and services vital to
> our flying needs.
>
> 11 years ago when I got my CJ, the parts supply was spotty and my
> machinist became my backseater. Today I miss my backseater and a few phone
> numbers in my wallet will see me through most situations I could
> encounter.
>
> Personally, I'm NOT touting the advantages of owning these aircraft
> anymore; the word is already out in the Warbird community and I'd prefer
> stable prices and affordable insurance. But somehow those Newbies keep on
> showing up. Good for them.
>
> One Dark Cloud in this rosy picture, the re-valuation of the Yuan to the
> US Dollar, Likewise with the Ruble and Euro.
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Herb Coussons <drc@wscare.com>
Sent: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:56:02 -0500
Subject: Yak-List: OSH/MTW
--> Yak-List message posted by: Herb Coussons <drc@wscare.com>
Very little feedback on who's coming.
Helps to have a headcount for planning.
SINCE THE EVENTS SECTION IS DOWN - SEND ME AN EMAIL TO LET ME KNOW YOU ARE COMING
!!
INCLUDE:
Pilot ---- Jim Goolsby
GIB ---- none
N# ----- N21710
Type ---- CJ-6
Wing / Lead / None checkpilot
Arrival date ---- Sat
Sergei - Yes / No ? no
Preferred Oil --- 120
MTW airshow is this weekend. Great weather expected! I will go check out the runway
situation.
A few of the lesser known gang will be there.
The Hoppers (L39) will be there.
Herb
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Gentlemen:
Has anyone received a check for gas from the EAA? Should we make any
requests?
My Yak will in for an annual during OSH, so everyone have a great time and
look great for the crowd.
Best to All,
Ray
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Troops,
Well I'm about to catch a red eye home after 2 weeks of flying the bombers. Time
to get down to the flying I love. I mean flying the trio of B-24/B-17 and
now the B-25 is a real ego trip, don't get me wrong BUT my CJ-6 has something
just for me and not a bunch of 'want-a-bes' wanting to play bomber crew. Yep
its is cool to be in "know" with the old vets and its great to hear the uncommon
valor they were so common of doing. But there are times when you need to sit
there - a lone - feeling - seeing - hearing things only met for you. The joy
of a loop by myself - - - well is un describable for me. Its as if the CJ
is doing just for me.
The B-25? Very easy to fly UNLESS YOU LOOSE AN ENGINE !!! Other than that she
is louder than hell on the ears and fast as hell too. Was very popular on the
tour.
Lots of airshow to do this summer. See yawl there!!!!!!!!!
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 16:48:25 -0400
Subject: Yak-List: Mr. Higgens
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
The very best thing that can be done in regards to this gentleman is to simply
ignore him.
100 per cent. Totally. Why someone would join a list and then bad mouth
everyone on it is beyond comprehension.
The only answer is that such a person gets great glee and satisfaction from
instilling anger and wrath in other people, and then sits back and laughs wildly
at the tumult that he has caused.
This takes a lot of past issues and puts them into more of a pure perspective...
at least it does for me.
This is all I am going to publically say about this gent, now or in the future.
Sadly, every list eventually winds up facing this problem. How we handle it now
reflects on us and not him. He has already established his ilk.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Higgins" <mark_higgins_la@lycos.com>
Honestly, I don't care how much you charge for your kits. It's none of my
business. Just spare me your sales talk
about costs and clues. I friend did the same job for $100-something. So, go
brainwash your Yak crowd.
What blew my lid was this sense of entitlement to essentially looted property.
> Wait until he calls Carl, George, Doug, You or myself for parts........I am
> sure we will remember these comments and charge accordingly.
Wow ! This sounds like a mini cartel here ! Too bad I'm not a customer. Just one
question to you,
my dear parts barons: what do you think are your chances for getting busted one
day for an attempt
to smuggle out stolen goods ? ( Hint : it doesn't take a lot of well-wishers to
get on Customs watch list ). And let me guess - are you going to whine that you
sincerely believed that $6 a plug is a true price ?
Also, a note to this "Scooter" thing: I feel sorry for your name, please accept
my condolences. Call me what you like,
but at least I do not drive a plane designed for 18-year-old kids to get basics
in 50hrs before switching to jets, get
dressed like a 300lbs "democratizer", and call it a "warbird".
One more thing - it appears that this list is being manipulated in a genuinely
american democratically perverted way to ensure
that no "undesirables" stay here long enough to stir trouble. I don't mind
really - go ahead unsubscribe me.
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| Subject: | Just say no to wing tip overlap |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Ouch!
Doc
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| Subject: | Changing a Yak-55 to 55M? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Paul <jpblake@yahoo.com>
Changing a Yak-55 to 55M?
Can an early Yak-55 long wing be safely changed to a
short wing 55M? What should one look for to see if the
change has been done properly?
Paul
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