---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/13/06: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:36 AM - Re: M14R (Russ aka Duncan) 2. 04:00 AM - Re: M14R etc (Craig Payne) 3. 08:15 AM - Yak 50 vs Yak 55M which one is better ??????????? (Mark Schrick) 4. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: M14R etc (Jim) 5. 09:04 AM - YAK 52 (Flying For Jesus) 6. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: M14R etc (fish@aviation-tech.com) 7. 09:19 AM - Ramona California Air show (Mark Weidhaas) 8. 10:07 AM - M-14P Generator Brushes (Mike Bell) 9. 10:21 AM - Re: M-14P Generator Brushes (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 10. 10:26 AM - Yak-52 Schels Aux Tank Filter (Mike Bell) 11. 10:29 AM - Re: M-14P Generator Brushes (doug sapp) 12. 11:06 AM - Re: 18T (Buzzard Aviation) 13. 11:19 AM - Trio in 52TW - Autopilot is installed (David McGirt) 14. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: 18T (Roger Kemp) 15. 11:33 PM - Yak 50 vs Yak 55M which one is better ??????????? (Mark Schrick) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:28 AM PST US From: "Russ aka Duncan" Subject: Yak-List: RE: M14R --> Yak-List message posted by: "Russ aka Duncan" Doc, Homesick angels? I have not heard that one for quite awhile! Russ "airBoss" Witte-Dycus p.s. I'll be at MTW/OSH how about all of you? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:00:05 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Yak-List: Re: M14R etc > >Hello: > >Do any of these new Russian M14 engines with the higher HP, improve the >cruise performance on a standard YAK 52? > > >Robert E. Schwartz > Robert, it has been reported that the Yak-18T gains performance from this engine by allowing a higher altitude cruise, should work for the -52, just add O2 . OTOH, the -TD conversion, a tailwind and a downhill glideslope are the only other known ways to speed up a Yak-52. Perhaps a gaggle of Geese hitched to each wingtip :>) Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:56 AM PST US From: "Mark Schrick" Subject: Yak-List: Yak 50 vs Yak 55M which one is better ??????????? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" Hitman, Are you ready to trade that Yak 50 for my light Yak 55M I have for sale? It's a steal.......... SHREK (408) 391-6664 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Hilterman Jr. Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14R etc And I have one for sale. Immaculate 1984 YAK-50 listed on Barnstormers and Trade-a-Plane. Hitman ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14R etc Robert, Get a 50. They are slicker than greased owl #$^%. You'll get 20 to 30 clicks faster cruise at Nominal 1 or 2 burning 11 - 12 gallons/ hour. And they climb like home sick angles. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: 6/12/2006 2:15:11 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14R etc Hello: Do any of these new Russian M14 engines with the higher HP, improve the cruise performance on a standard YAK 52? Robert E. Schwartz President THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST Commercial Real Estate Services 2406 East Pleasant Street Davenport, Iowa USA 52803 Tel: (563) 322-2228 Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600 Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net This information is intended for the use of individual named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the content of this information is strictly prohibited. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode To: YAK USA LIST Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: Yak-List: M14R etc To follow on from Jerry Painters posting about M14R, and to clarify: We have the somewhat Russian position of having two higher-powered engines being made in the same city in Russia, but with rather different designs. The M14R is carburetted and gives 450-hp. The US Airflow system works well on the M14P family of engines but does need careful setting up to operate efficiently. Also there are complications in terms of needing a higher-powered fuel pump; an electrical fuel pump for starting and for emergency use, as well as some aircraft changes. We have run one M14PF (400-hp), and also an M14R with Airflow fuel injection, and giving very good results. We would estimate at least 480-hp with the M14R, and quite astounding rate of climb in an Su-26. The M9F delivers 435-hp in carburetted form. The fuel injection version is not in production, but is giving 450-hp, and probably more before production standard is established. If anyone wants more information on these engines do contact us. Richard Goode Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by http://www.invictawiz.com and is believed to be clean. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:56 AM PST US From: "Jim" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: M14R etc A rocket engine would not help the Cruise on the 52. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne To: yak-list Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:56 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: M14R etc > >Hello: > >Do any of these new Russian M14 engines with the higher HP, improve the >cruise performance on a standard YAK 52? > > >Robert E. Schwartz > Robert, it has been reported that the Yak-18T gains performance from this engine by allowing a higher altitude cruise, should work for the -52, just add O2 . OTOH, the -TD conversion, a tailwind and a downhill glideslope are the only other known ways to speed up a Yak-52. Perhaps a gaggle of Geese hitched to each wingtip :>) Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:11 AM PST US From: Flying For Jesus Subject: Yak-List: YAK 52 --> Yak-List message posted by: Flying For Jesus > We have a YAK 52 with ALL of the goodies, always hangared, 50 1/2 > hours on engine and airframe, basically a new plane for only 80k and > the proceeds will go to a nonprofit to do missionary flying in East > Africa. In reading the emails I am wondering if a 52 is what YAK > people want. Any comments? > > Marian > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:37 AM PST US From: fish@aviation-tech.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: M14R etc --> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com Jim, I would like to disagreee, the F-4 proved with enough power even a brick can fly! With a rocket you would gain a large cruise advantage, for a short time. About a month after completing AF Flight Engineer School for C-130, I got a ride on the Blue Angeles C-130 (Fat Albert). I was on the flight deck when they lit off their JATO bottles. The C-130 gained the most perf I had seen in a C-130 yet, and then went on to do things I did not beleive the 130 could do. I am glad that I had that opertunity to fly a C-130 that way before deploying to Qutar to fly combat missions. When we made our first landing at bagdad international airport, it was like I was back on Fat Albert, only this time I was the Engineer responsiable for the aircraft. Fly Safe John Fischer > > >A rocket engine would not help the Cruise on the 52. >Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Craig Payne > To: yak-list > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:56 AM > Subject: Yak-List: Re: M14R etc > > > > > >Hello: > > > >Do any of these new Russian M14 engines with the higher HP, improve >the > >cruise performance on a standard YAK 52? > > > > > >Robert E. Schwartz > > > > Robert, it has been reported that the Yak-18T gains performance from >this engine by allowing a higher altitude cruise, should work for the >-52, just add O2 . OTOH, the -TD conversion, a tailwind and a downhill >glideslope are the only other known ways to speed up a Yak-52. Perhaps >a gaggle of Geese hitched to each wingtip :>) > > > Craig Payne > cpayne@joimail.com > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:53 AM PST US From: "Mark Weidhaas" Subject: Yak-List: Ramona California Air show Hello Yak List!!!! Mark your calendars June 24 and 25th for this years Ramona Air show. We have sponsored Bud and Ross Granley to perform during the two day event. Their performance was stellar at Red Star IV and a must see for all Yak drivers. Here are the links to the Granley=92s and Ramona Air show websites. Yak and CJ static displays also welcome. HYPERLINK "http://hometown.aol.com/cobra1444/myhomepage/profile.html"http://hometow n.a ol.com/cobra1444/myhomepage/profile.html HYPERLINK "http://www.ramonaairshow.com/"http://www.ramonaairshow.com/ Mark J. Weidhaas, Yak 52 =9336=94 Alternative Solar Products, Inc. 27412 Enterprise Circle West, #101 Temecula, CA 92590 Phone (951) 308-2366 Fax (951) 694-1458 HYPERLINK "mailto:mark@alternativesolar.com"mark@alternativesolar.com HYPERLINK "http://www.alternativesolar.com/"www.alternativesolar.com -- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:47 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: M-14P Generator Brushes From: "Mike Bell" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Bell" The generator brushes on my Yak-52 are almost worn enough to replace. The M-14 manual says to not replace them without removing the generator. It looks like there's barely enough room to get in there without removing the generator. Anybody have experience with this? Also, is there any particular break-in required after brush replacement? Thanks, Mike -------- Mike Bell Yak 52 Elk Grove, CA yakflyr@comcastdotnet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=40733#40733 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: M-14P Generator Brushes From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" I can tell you that pulling the generator out is a piece of cake. Do not unbolt it from the adapter plate (6 nuts) ... remove the generator and the adapter plate as one piece. (4 nuts) Will take you about 30 minutes or LESS. As far as break-in goes, as long as you can spin the generator shaft and the brushes remain in one piece.. you're good to go. "Break-In" (per se) happens in the first few seconds after engine start. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Bell Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 13:07 Subject: Yak-List: M-14P Generator Brushes --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Bell" The generator brushes on my Yak-52 are almost worn enough to replace. The M-14 manual says to not replace them without removing the generator. It looks like there's barely enough room to get in there without removing the generator. Anybody have experience with this? Also, is there any particular break-in required after brush replacement? Thanks, Mike -------- Mike Bell Yak 52 Elk Grove, CA yakflyr@comcastdotnet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=40733#40733 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:28 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Yak-52 Schels Aux Tank Filter From: "Mike Bell" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Bell" I'm replacing all the hoses in my Yak and came across a filter in the aux tank system, threaded on one end and a nipple on the other end. Does anybody have a part number or source for them? Thanks, Mike -------- Mike Bell Yak 52 Elk Grove, CA yakflyr@comcastdotnet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=40738#40738 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:29 AM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: M-14P Generator Brushes --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" Mike, After you replace the brushes could you please ship me one of the old brushes so I can compare it to my stock of 285 hp HS6A generator brushes? Maybe enclose it with your hoses when you send them to me. Sorry but I cannot shed any light on the installation as I have never done one myself. Many thanks. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mike Bell Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Yak-List: M-14P Generator Brushes --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Bell" The generator brushes on my Yak-52 are almost worn enough to replace. The M-14 manual says to not replace them without removing the generator. It looks like there's barely enough room to get in there without removing the generator. Anybody have experience with this? Also, is there any particular break-in required after brush replacement? Thanks, Mike -------- Mike Bell Yak 52 Elk Grove, CA yakflyr@comcastdotnet Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=40733#40733 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:23 AM PST US From: Buzzard Aviation Subject: Yak-List: Re: 18T Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:01 AM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: Yak-List: Trio in 52TW - Autopilot is installed --> Yak-List message posted by: "David McGirt" Well, With A LOT of help from Tim Williams, the Trio Autopilot is installed. He made a custom bracket to mount the servo to, and a custom bracket, to mount to the control arm.. other than that, it was plug in play.. :) The unit is in, and works great.. I put a toggle switch to switch the sources from the Garmin 396 to the in panel Garmin 250XL, that will give some flexibility.. but so far, very happy with the unit. I also installed the Dynon remote compass in the tail, to go with the D10A. I will run the calibration on that when I get a chance and a compass rose on the ground, but it looks like it will be much better already.. Here are some pics.. http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/dmcgirt/AutoPilot_Dynon_Install/ David McGirt --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Yak 52 TW Owners Group" group. To post to this group, send email to Yak-52-TW-Owners-Group@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Yak-52-TW-Owners-Group-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Yak-52-TW-Owners-Group -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:10 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: 18T Hey, with enough thrust rocks will fly....fast too! Look at the F-4! Ol' Double Ugly would go like a raped ape until the fires went out. Then she had the glide ratio of a boulder! Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: Buzzard Aviation Sent: 6/13/2006 1:13:00 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: 18T At 16:39 13/06/2006, you wrote: A rocket engine would not help the Cruise on the 52. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Payne Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 3:56 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: M14R etc > >Hello: > >Do any of these new Russian M14 engines with the higher HP, improve the >cruise performance on a standard YAK 52? > > >Robert E. Schwartz > Robert, it has been reported that the Yak-18T gains performance from this engine by allowing a higher altitude cruise, should work for the -52, just add O2 . OTOH, the -TD conversion, a tailwind and a downhill glideslope are the only other known ways to speed up a Yak-52. Perhaps a gaggle of Geese hitched to each wingtip :>) Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com Hi troops. Re there any 18T's in the US. I haven't seen pics of any but though I might have seen one in the back of a video there at some point. Would like to know if there are and get some photos. Do they run on the EXPERIMENTAL category too. Do love that MENTAL is in that word :-D Happy Landings ____|____ \O/ o'o Martin Robinson Auster AOP 9 G-BKVK (WZ662) Yak 18T HA-YAV ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:05 PM PST US From: "Mark Schrick" Subject: Yak-List: Yak 50 vs Yak 55M which one is better ??????????? --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" Hitman, Are you ready to trade that Yak 50 for my light Yak 55M I have for sale? It's a steal.......... SHREK (408) 391-6664 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Hilterman Jr. Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 5:08 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14R etc And I have one for sale. Immaculate 1984 YAK-50 listed on Barnstormers and Trade-a-Plane. Hitman ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14R etc Robert, Get a 50. They are slicker than greased owl #$^%. You'll get 20 to 30 clicks faster cruise at Nominal 1 or 2 burning 11 - 12 gallons/ hour. And they climb like home sick angles. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: 6/12/2006 2:15:11 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14R etc Hello: Do any of these new Russian M14 engines with the higher HP, improve the cruise performance on a standard YAK 52? Robert E. Schwartz President THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST Commercial Real Estate Services 2406 East Pleasant Street Davenport, Iowa USA 52803 Tel: (563) 322-2228 Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600 Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net This information is intended for the use of individual named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the content of this information is strictly prohibited. ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Goode To: YAK USA LIST Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: Yak-List: M14R etc To follow on from Jerry Painters posting about M14R, and to clarify: We have the somewhat Russian position of having two higher-powered engines being made in the same city in Russia, but with rather different designs. The M14R is carburetted and gives 450-hp. The US Airflow system works well on the M14P family of engines but does need careful setting up to operate efficiently. Also there are complications in terms of needing a higher-powered fuel pump; an electrical fuel pump for starting and for emergency use, as well as some aircraft changes. We have run one M14PF (400-hp), and also an M14R with Airflow fuel injection, and giving very good results. We would estimate at least 480-hp with the M14R, and quite astounding rate of climb in an Su-26. The M9F delivers 435-hp in carburetted form. The fuel injection version is not in production, but is giving 450-hp, and probably more before production standard is established. If anyone wants more information on these engines do contact us. Richard Goode Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by http://www.invictawiz.com and is believed to be clean. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -