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1. 12:38 AM - CJ-6 glide speed (Jay McIntyre)
2. 05:39 AM - Missle Balloons (Jeff Linebaugh)
3. 06:17 AM - Re: Plug size? (Jim Bernier)
4. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: YAK 52 (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
5. 12:37 PM - GT Propellors (yak52)
6. 12:46 PM - Manifold Pressure (Jim Bernier)
7. 01:21 PM - Re: GT Propellors (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 01:32 PM - Re: Manifold Pressure (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 02:07 PM - Re: GT Propellors (Hans Oortman 1)
10. 02:20 PM - Re: GT Propellors (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 02:29 PM - Re: GT Propellers (doug sapp)
12. 02:41 PM - Re: GT Propellers (A. Dennis Savarese)
13. 02:55 PM - Re: GT Propellers (KJKimball@aol.com)
14. 03:06 PM - Re: GT Propellors (Craig Payne)
15. 03:14 PM - Re: GT Propellers (A. Dennis Savarese)
16. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: GT Propellors (A. Dennis Savarese)
17. 03:31 PM - Re: M-14P Generator Brushes (Mike Bell)
18. 03:57 PM - Re: GT Propellors (Roger Kemp)
19. 11:17 PM - Blue Mountain EFIS/Lite (Shinden33)
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| Subject: | CJ-6 glide speed |
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Guys and gals...check this out...
http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=17842
Just imagine some of these babies duct taped to your airplane!
Jeff
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
The stock 285hp engine use the same size as your car, 14 mm. I have 18 auto plugs
in my stock CJ.
Jim B
>>> threein60@yahoo.com 06/14/06 6:14 PM >>>
Can someone tell me the thread size of the stock 285hp engine? I tried
the standard 18mm adaptor that I use on my other aircraft to do a compression test
and no luck.. Don't want to go out and get a 14mm if that is not the size.
Thanks in advance.
Larry
Larry Pine
__________________________________________________
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Joe Vaine said: "With 2 pilots and full fuel this YAK climbs at the
rate of 3,000' per minute"
Hello Joe.... my guess is that you've never actually flown this
airplane, but please be aware that your airplane has a rate of climb
about 1380 feet per minute, not 3000. Also, you might want to read up
on the issue of "TBO".
Best Regards,
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Flying For
Jesus
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 21:51
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: YAK 52
On Jun 14, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Limpopo wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Limpopo" < huis@anfin.co.za>
Hallo
I am intersted in buying a yak 52
Can you supply me with the Specs
1. TBO
2,000 hours
2. Fuel consumption
16 gal. per hour
3. Range
Standard tanks in a YAK are 15 gal. each wing = 30 gal.
4. Load pilot pax fuel
With 2 pilots and full fuel this YAK climbs at the rate of 3,000' per
minute.
5. Price
$67,500.00
6. History, rebuilt, new
This Yak was purchased in 1993 in the crate. The owner assembled it and
flew it a total of 50 1/2 hours. This same owner has donated the
airplane to our ministry. It has not been flown in 2 years so it needs
an annual. We are selling it "as is" with total engine and airframe
time of 50.5 hours.
Joe Vaine
Flying For Jesus
flying@nethere.com
www.flyingforjesus.org
"...but those who wait on the Lord shall regain new strength. They will
mount up with wings like eagles; they will run and not get tired, they
will walk and not become weary." isa. 40:31 NKJV
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This email was send to the RPA website ' anybody have more info on
this?
Thanks,
Deon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear YAK/ M-14 operators
We are glad to inform you that our new 2.50 diameter prop specifically
designed and builted for YAK M-14 360/400 HP has been succesfully tested
by
various aerobatic pilots and the performance are very good.
Shorter take off distance ,about 50 meters less compared standard V-530
original prop.
Greater climb rateo.
20 more KMH @ 62% with standard MAP pressure.
May interest further details ?
If so do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards.
Alessandro Tonini
GT Propellers
Via del Commercio, 7
47838 Riccione (RN) Italy
Tel. +39 0541 69 33 99
Fax +39 0541 69 33 31
www.gt-propellers.com
info@gt-propellers.com
In caso di cattiva ricezione telefonare al n=B0 0541-693399 Le
informazioni
contenute in questo fax e/o E-Mail sono di propriet=E0 della GT
PROPELLERS
s.n.c. e sono riservate, pertanto ne =E9 inibita la diffusione mediante
qualsiasi tipo di modalit=E0 venga eseguita e devono intendersi ad
esclusivo
uso del destinatario e/o destinatari sopra indicati. Si ricorda a tutti
coloro che dovessero erroneamente ricevere questo fax e/o E-Mail che =E8
proibito fotocopiare, distribuire, diffondere o alterare il documento.
In
caso di errato recapito si prega di comunicare l=92accaduto
tempestivamente
sia tramite fax e/o E-Mail che telefonicamente e di rinviare il fax
originale. Si rende noto che le informazioni e/o i dati oggetto della
presente comunicazione devono essere soggetti a classificazione [ ai
sensi
del D. Lgs. 196/2003 Testo unico sulla Privacy) I dati dovranno essere
trattati nel rispetto della normativa vigente mediante procedimenti
idonei a
garantire la loro sicurezza e riservatezza. Le informazioni acquisite
dovranno essere conservate con le modalit=E0 previste dalla normativa di
riferimento. Si potranno esercitare i diritti previsti dall=92art. 7 del
D.
Lgs. 196/2003 nonch=E9 l=92opposizione all=92utilizzo dei medesimi per
le finalit=E0
di cui all=92oggetto a mezzo riscontro senza ritardo. L=92Autorizzazione
relativa alla Divulgazione a terzi [dei quali dovr=E0 essere resa nota
l=92
Identificazione all=92Interessato] delle informazioni oggetto della
presente
comunicazione verr=E0 concessa a condizione che al pi=F9 presto venga
reso nota
a cura del destinatario l=92Informativa circa le modalit=E0 di utilizzo
e di
trattamento delle informazioni stesse secondo quanto previsto dal D.
Lgs.
196/2003 . La violazione delle citate normative comporter=E0 le sanzioni
penali ed amministrative previste dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 .
GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. All rights reserved. This email is for the intended
recipient(s) only. This email and any attachment contains confidential
and
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| Subject: | Manifold Pressure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Can anyone supply me with the manifold pressure for their stock 285 hp CJ engine?
Also supply the density altitude at which it was taken. Take it at full power,
and cruise speed. I'm using no filter at all and the inlet is sealed. I'm
assuming both engines are in good condition. Cheese grater only.
Thanks
Jim B
>>> threein60@yahoo.com 06/14/06 6:14 PM >>>
Can someone tell me the thread size of the stock 285hp engine? I tried
the standard 18mm adaptor that I use on my other aircraft to do a compression test
and no luck.. Don't want to go out and get a 14mm if that is not the size.
Thanks in advance.
Larry
Larry Pine
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: GT Propellors |
Yes, I do. You will notice there is no specifics on structural testing
AND clearly no pricing. He avoids posting ANY retail prices. The
blades are $4000 EACH. So you're looking at $8000 replacement blades
with no hub. Here is a copy of my last email to Alessandro. He has not
answered any of the questions in this latest email below. So he decides
to post some initial test data but yet refuses to provide any structural
technical specifications including destructive testing results. He's
the email....verbatim. I think you'll agree with what I wrote in the
email.
"Dear Alessandro,
To be very candid with you, no, the price is not getting more
attractive. You must understand how the vast majority of Yak 52's
(including those with V530 propellers) are flown here in the US. They
are not used for aerobatics other than maybe "gentleman's aerobatics"
which does not require an expensive set of blades. Most Yak52's are
flown from runways (both grass and hard surface) that are 2000 feet or
more. Probably less than 1-2% of all the Yak 52's in the US are flown
off of "short" runways. Thus, the market for the GT blades to fulfill a
shorter runway takeoff requirement is maybe 5 total airplanes. Not much
of a market.
As I have said before in my emails, advertise the blades AND the price
for EACH blade on Barnstormers. Barnstormers ads are almost free.
There is no doubt you will receive inquiries. But inquiries do not
generate revenue. Please remember that here in the US the total market
is about 275 Yak 52's. Most of the other types of airplanes (not all of
course) with M14P and PF engines are either aerobatic aircraft with MT-9
propellers or slow speed, high lift aircraft like the Wilga which really
have no use for expensive propeller blades.
I have an idea. Why don't you tell me how many sets of blades your
market research has determined you will sell here in the US by aircraft
type and why you think you are going to sell that quantity of blades and
over what period of time? By the way, we have a company here in the US
that offers a complete overhaul of the V530 paddle prop blades including
new nickel single piece leading edge and complete stripping and
fiberglass recovering and precision balancing for $2100. "
Best regards,
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: yak52
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Yak-List: GT Propellors
This email was send to the RPA website - anybody have more info on
this?
Thanks,
Deon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear YAK/ M-14 operators
We are glad to inform you that our new 2.50 diameter prop specifically
designed and builted for YAK M-14 360/400 HP has been succesfully tested
by various aerobatic pilots and the performance are very good.
Shorter take off distance ,about 50 meters less compared standard
V-530 original prop.
Greater climb rateo.
20 more KMH @ 62% with standard MAP pressure.
May interest further details ?
If so do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards.
Alessandro Tonini
GT Propellers
Via del Commercio, 7
47838 Riccione (RN) Italy
Tel. +39 0541 69 33 99
Fax +39 0541 69 33 31
www.gt-propellers.com
info@gt-propellers.com
In caso di cattiva ricezione telefonare al n=B0 0541-693399 Le
informazioni contenute in questo fax e/o E-Mail sono di propriet=E0
della GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. e sono riservate, pertanto ne =E9 inibita la
diffusione mediante qualsiasi tipo di modalit=E0 venga eseguita e devono
intendersi ad esclusivo uso del destinatario e/o destinatari sopra
indicati. Si ricorda a tutti coloro che dovessero erroneamente ricevere
questo fax e/o E-Mail che =E8 proibito fotocopiare, distribuire,
diffondere o alterare il documento. In caso di errato recapito si prega
di comunicare l'accaduto tempestivamente sia tramite fax e/o E-Mail che
telefonicamente e di rinviare il fax originale. Si rende noto che le
informazioni e/o i dati oggetto della presente comunicazione devono
essere soggetti a classificazione [ ai sensi del D. Lgs. 196/2003 Testo
unico sulla Privacy) I dati dovranno essere trattati nel rispetto della
normativa vigente mediante procedimenti idonei a garantire la loro
sicurezza e riservatezza. Le informazioni acquisite dovranno essere
conservate con le modalit=E0 previste dalla normativa di riferimento. Si
potranno esercitare i diritti previsti dall'art. 7 del D. Lgs. 196/2003
nonch=E9 l'opposizione all'utilizzo dei medesimi per le finalit=E0 di
cui all'oggetto a mezzo riscontro senza ritardo. L'Autorizzazione
relativa alla Divulgazione a terzi [dei quali dovr=E0 essere resa nota
l' Identificazione all'Interessato] delle informazioni oggetto della
presente comunicazione verr=E0 concessa a condizione che al pi=F9 presto
venga reso nota a cura del destinatario l'Informativa circa le
modalit=E0 di utilizzo e di trattamento delle informazioni stesse
secondo quanto previsto dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 . La violazione delle
citate normative comporter=E0 le sanzioni penali ed amministrative
previste dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 .
GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. All rights reserved. This email is for the
intended recipient(s) only. This email and any attachment contains
confidential and proprietary information some or all of which may also
be legally privileged. Any copying, dissemination, disclosure,
modification, or use of this email by any other persons is strictly
prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the
sender immediately. Please then permanently delete this email from your
computer system. Thank you.
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| Subject: | Re: Manifold Pressure |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
The plug thread size is 14 mm.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Manifold Pressure
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
>
> Can anyone supply me with the manifold pressure for their stock 285 hp CJ
> engine? Also supply the density altitude at which it was taken. Take it at
> full power, and cruise speed. I'm using no filter at all and the inlet is
> sealed. I'm assuming both engines are in good condition. Cheese grater
> only.
> Thanks
> Jim B
>
>>>> threein60@yahoo.com 06/14/06 6:14 PM >>>
> Can someone tell me the thread size of the stock 285hp engine? I tried
> the standard 18mm adaptor that I use on my other aircraft to do a
> compression test and no luck.. Don't want to go out and get a 14mm if
> that is not the size.
> Thanks in advance.
> Larry
>
>
> Larry Pine
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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Dennis,
That is a ridiculous price=85 I think I=92d prefer a 3-blade MT for that
kind of
money=85.i.e. no market for this dude=92s blades=85..
Hans
_____
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
Verzonden: donderdag 15 juni 2006 22:21
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com; m14pengines-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Yak-List: GT Propellors
Yes, I do. You will notice there is no specifics on structural testing
AND
clearly no pricing. He avoids posting ANY retail prices. The blades
are
$4000 EACH. So you're looking at $8000 replacement blades with no hub.
Here is a copy of my last email to Alessandro. He has not answered any
of
the questions in this latest email below. So he decides to post some
initial test data but yet refuses to provide any structural technical
specifications including destructive testing results. He's the
email....verbatim. I think you'll agree with what I wrote in the email.
"Dear Alessandro,
To be very candid with you, no, the price is not getting more
attractive.
You must understand how the vast majority of Yak 52's (including those
with
V530 propellers) are flown here in the US. They are not used for
aerobatics
other than maybe "gentleman's aerobatics" which does not require an
expensive set of blades. Most Yak52's are flown from runways (both
grass
and hard surface) that are 2000 feet or more. Probably less than 1-2%
of
all the Yak 52's in the US are flown off of "short" runways. Thus, the
market for the GT blades to fulfill a shorter runway takeoff requirement
is
maybe 5 total airplanes. Not much of a market.
As I have said before in my emails, advertise the blades AND the price
for
EACH blade on Barnstormers. Barnstormers ads are almost free. There is
no
doubt you will receive inquiries. But inquiries do not generate
revenue.
Please remember that here in the US the total market is about 275 Yak
52's.
Most of the other types of airplanes (not all of course) with M14P and
PF
engines are either aerobatic aircraft with MT-9 propellers or slow
speed,
high lift aircraft like the Wilga which really have no use for expensive
propeller blades.
I have an idea. Why don't you tell me how many sets of blades your
market
research has determined you will sell here in the US by aircraft type
and
why you think you are going to sell that quantity of blades and over
what
period of time? By the way, we have a company here in the US that
offers a
complete overhaul of the V530 paddle prop blades including new nickel
single
piece leading edge and complete stripping and fiberglass recovering and
precision balancing for $2100. "
Best regards,
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: yak52 <mailto:yak52@flyredstar.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Yak-List: GT Propellors
This email was send to the RPA website ' anybody have more info on
this?
Thanks,
Deon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear YAK/ M-14 operators
We are glad to inform you that our new 2.50 diameter prop specifically
designed and builted for YAK M-14 360/400 HP has been succesfully tested
by
various aerobatic pilots and the performance are very good.
Shorter take off distance ,about 50 meters less compared standard V-530
original prop.
Greater climb rateo.
20 more KMH @ 62% with standard MAP pressure.
May interest further details ?
If so do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards.
Alessandro Tonini
GT Propellers
Via del Commercio, 7
47838 Riccione (RN) Italy
Tel. +39 0541 69 33 99
Fax +39 0541 69 33 31
www.gt-propellers.com
info@gt-propellers.com
In caso di cattiva ricezione telefonare al n=B0 0541-693399 Le
informazioni
contenute in questo fax e/o E-Mail sono di propriet=E0 della GT
PROPELLERS
s.n.c. e sono riservate, pertanto ne =E9 inibita la diffusione mediante
qualsiasi tipo di modalit=E0 venga eseguita e devono intendersi ad
esclusivo
uso del destinatario e/o destinatari sopra indicati. Si ricorda a tutti
coloro che dovessero erroneamente ricevere questo fax e/o E-Mail che =E8
proibito fotocopiare, distribuire, diffondere o alterare il documento.
In
caso di errato recapito si prega di comunicare l=92accaduto
tempestivamente
sia tramite fax e/o E-Mail che telefonicamente e di rinviare il fax
originale. Si rende noto che le informazioni e/o i dati oggetto della
presente comunicazione devono essere soggetti a classificazione [ ai
sensi
del D. Lgs. 196/2003 Testo unico sulla Privacy) I dati dovranno essere
trattati nel rispetto della normativa vigente mediante procedimenti
idonei a
garantire la loro sicurezza e riservatezza. Le informazioni acquisite
dovranno essere conservate con le modalit=E0 previste dalla normativa di
riferimento. Si potranno esercitare i diritti previsti dall=92art. 7 del
D.
Lgs. 196/2003 nonch=E9 l=92opposizione all=92utilizzo dei medesimi per
le finalit=E0
di cui all=92oggetto a mezzo riscontro senza ritardo. L=92Autorizzazione
relativa alla Divulgazione a terzi [dei quali dovr=E0 essere resa nota
l=92
Identificazione all=92Interessato] delle informazioni oggetto della
presente
comunicazione verr=E0 concessa a condizione che al pi=F9 presto venga
reso nota
a cura del destinatario l=92Informativa circa le modalit=E0 di utilizzo
e di
trattamento delle informazioni stesse secondo quanto previsto dal D.
Lgs.
196/2003 . La violazione delle citate normative comporter=E0 le sanzioni
penali ed amministrative previste dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 .
GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. All rights reserved. This email is for the intended
recipient(s) only. This email and any attachment contains confidential
and
proprietary information some or all of which may also be legally
privileged.
Any copying, dissemination, disclosure, modification, or use of this
email
by any other persons is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
email
in error, please notify the sender immediately. Please then permanently
delete this email from your computer system. Thank you.
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| Subject: | Re: GT Propellors |
I've run into this problem for over 30 years. Just because someone
"creates" a product that THEY think is outstanding and they want to sell
it because they think it is worth it, doesn't mean the market is going
to accept it. You are the first person to comment and I'm sure you
won't be the last with similar comments.
If GT's blades were "competitively" priced at say $4000 for both blades,
then they would have a real market.
As I've said in many of my sales and marketing training classes over the
years, "Remember, it's only worth what some is willing to pay for it."
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Oortman 1
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: GT Propellors
Dennis,
That is a ridiculous price. I think I'd prefer a 3-blade MT for that
kind of money..i.e. no market for this dude's blades...
Hans
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Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
Verzonden: donderdag 15 juni 2006 22:21
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com; m14pengines-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Yak-List: GT Propellors
Yes, I do. You will notice there is no specifics on structural
testing AND clearly no pricing. He avoids posting ANY retail prices.
The blades are $4000 EACH. So you're looking at $8000 replacement
blades with no hub. Here is a copy of my last email to Alessandro. He
has not answered any of the questions in this latest email below. So he
decides to post some initial test data but yet refuses to provide any
structural technical specifications including destructive testing
results. He's the email....verbatim. I think you'll agree with what I
wrote in the email.
"Dear Alessandro,
To be very candid with you, no, the price is not getting more
attractive. You must understand how the vast majority of Yak 52's
(including those with V530 propellers) are flown here in the US. They
are not used for aerobatics other than maybe "gentleman's aerobatics"
which does not require an expensive set of blades. Most Yak52's are
flown from runways (both grass and hard surface) that are 2000 feet or
more. Probably less than 1-2% of all the Yak 52's in the US are flown
off of "short" runways. Thus, the market for the GT blades to fulfill a
shorter runway takeoff requirement is maybe 5 total airplanes. Not much
of a market.
As I have said before in my emails, advertise the blades AND the price
for EACH blade on Barnstormers. Barnstormers ads are almost free.
There is no doubt you will receive inquiries. But inquiries do not
generate revenue. Please remember that here in the US the total market
is about 275 Yak 52's. Most of the other types of airplanes (not all of
course) with M14P and PF engines are either aerobatic aircraft with MT-9
propellers or slow speed, high lift aircraft like the Wilga which really
have no use for expensive propeller blades.
I have an idea. Why don't you tell me how many sets of blades your
market research has determined you will sell here in the US by aircraft
type and why you think you are going to sell that quantity of blades and
over what period of time? By the way, we have a company here in the US
that offers a complete overhaul of the V530 paddle prop blades including
new nickel single piece leading edge and complete stripping and
fiberglass recovering and precision balancing for $2100. "
Best regards,
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: yak52
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Yak-List: GT Propellors
This email was send to the RPA website - anybody have more info on
this?
Thanks,
Deon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear YAK/ M-14 operators
We are glad to inform you that our new 2.50 diameter prop
specifically designed and builted for YAK M-14 360/400 HP has been
succesfully tested by various aerobatic pilots and the performance are
very good.
Shorter take off distance ,about 50 meters less compared standard
V-530 original prop.
Greater climb rateo.
20 more KMH @ 62% with standard MAP pressure.
May interest further details ?
If so do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards.
Alessandro Tonini
GT Propellers
Via del Commercio, 7
47838 Riccione (RN) Italy
Tel. +39 0541 69 33 99
Fax +39 0541 69 33 31
www.gt-propellers.com
info@gt-propellers.com
In caso di cattiva ricezione telefonare al n=B0 0541-693399 Le
informazioni contenute in questo fax e/o E-Mail sono di propriet=E0
della GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. e sono riservate, pertanto ne =E9 inibita la
diffusione mediante qualsiasi tipo di modalit=E0 venga eseguita e devono
intendersi ad esclusivo uso del destinatario e/o destinatari sopra
indicati. Si ricorda a tutti coloro che dovessero erroneamente ricevere
questo fax e/o E-Mail che =E8 proibito fotocopiare, distribuire,
diffondere o alterare il documento. In caso di errato recapito si prega
di comunicare l'accaduto tempestivamente sia tramite fax e/o E-Mail che
telefonicamente e di rinviare il fax originale. Si rende noto che le
informazioni e/o i dati oggetto della presente comunicazione devono
essere soggetti a classificazione [ ai sensi del D. Lgs. 196/2003 Testo
unico sulla Privacy) I dati dovranno essere trattati nel rispetto della
normativa vigente mediante procedimenti idonei a garantire la loro
sicurezza e riservatezza. Le informazioni acquisite dovranno essere
conservate con le modalit=E0 previste dalla normativa di riferimento. Si
potranno esercitare i diritti previsti dall'art. 7 del D. Lgs. 196/2003
nonch=E9 l'opposizione all'utilizzo dei medesimi per le finalit=E0 di
cui all'oggetto a mezzo riscontro senza ritardo. L'Autorizzazione
relativa alla Divulgazione a terzi [dei quali dovr=E0 essere resa nota
l' Identificazione all'Interessato] delle informazioni oggetto della
presente comunicazione verr=E0 concessa a condizione che al pi=F9 presto
venga reso nota a cura del destinatario l'Informativa circa le
modalit=E0 di utilizzo e di trattamento delle informazioni stesse
secondo quanto previsto dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 . La violazione delle
citate normative comporter=E0 le sanzioni penali ed amministrative
previste dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 .
GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. All rights reserved. This email is for the
intended recipient(s) only. This email and any attachment contains
confidential and proprietary information some or all of which may also
be legally privileged. Any copying, dissemination, disclosure,
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sender immediately. Please then permanently delete this email from your
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This seems to be pretty standard fare for many foreign sellers who are
unfamiliar with the US market and how our system works. To date I know that
these folks have been courting myself, Dennis Savarese, Jill and Carl Hayes,
and a few others. They wonder why none of us are eager to do business. If
you recall Fan from Eaglet Aircraft in China selling new CJ's, she was
attempting to work both sides of the sales relationship selling to me then
showing up at all the major airshows to sell to my customers. More recently
"Zack" was attempting to do the same thing. They simply do not understand
that they cannot sell to the main vendors here in the US and then sell to
the vendors customers also. With respect to these propeller sellers, we all
have requested the tech performance data/graphs, etc. from them, and as far
as I am aware none of the above have received anything. Hopefully they will
settle in on one vendor and supply him/her with good quality information.
Once the information is in hand, and a competitive price is agreed upon we
can then see if the blades are in fact an improvement over the stock V530
blades. I am not aware of what the actual DEALER price is but I have been
told its something north of 6K for a set of their blades, this pricing
indicates to me that they really have not done much research into the US
market. IMHO the high price, plus the fact that at this time we are without
any solid information as to their actual performance makes them impossible
for me to consider adding them to my existing stock of new V530 blades in my
parts inventory.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of yak52
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:34 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: GT Propellors
This email was send to the RPA website anybody have more info on this?
Thanks,
Deon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear YAK/ M-14 operators
We are glad to inform you that our new 2.50 diameter prop specifically
designed and builted for YAK M-14 360/400 HP has been succesfully tested by
various aerobatic pilots and the performance are very good.
Shorter take off distance ,about 50 meters less compared standard V-530
original prop.
Greater climb rateo.
20 more KMH @ 62% with standard MAP pressure.
May interest further details ?
If so do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards.
Alessandro Tonini
GT Propellers
Via del Commercio, 7
47838 Riccione (RN) Italy
Tel. +39 0541 69 33 99
Fax +39 0541 69 33 31
www.gt-propellers.com
info@gt-propellers.com
In caso di cattiva ricezione telefonare al n 0541-693399 Le informazioni
contenute in questo fax e/o E-Mail sono di propriet della GT PROPELLERS
s.n.c. e sono riservate, pertanto ne inibita la diffusione mediante
qualsiasi tipo di modalit venga eseguita e devono intendersi ad esclusivo
uso del destinatario e/o destinatari sopra indicati. Si ricorda a tutti
coloro che dovessero erroneamente ricevere questo fax e/o E-Mail che
proibito fotocopiare, distribuire, diffondere o alterare il documento. In
caso di errato recapito si prega di comunicare laccaduto tempestivamente
sia tramite fax e/o E-Mail che telefonicamente e di rinviare il fax
originale. Si rende noto che le informazioni e/o i dati oggetto della
presente comunicazione devono essere soggetti a classificazione [ ai sensi
del D. Lgs. 196/2003 Testo unico sulla Privacy) I dati dovranno essere
trattati nel rispetto della normativa vigente mediante procedimenti idonei a
garantire la loro sicurezza e riservatezza. Le informazioni acquisite
dovranno essere conservate con le modalit previste dalla normativa di
riferimento. Si potranno esercitare i diritti previsti dallart. 7 del D.
Lgs. 196/2003 nonch lopposizione allutilizzo dei medesimi per le finalit
di cui alloggetto a mezzo riscontro senza ritardo. LAutorizzazione
relativa alla Divulgazione a terzi [dei quali dovr essere resa nota l
Identificazione allInteressato] delle informazioni oggetto della presente
comunicazione verr concessa a condizione che al pi presto venga reso nota
a cura del destinatario lInformativa circa le modalit di utilizzo e di
trattamento delle informazioni stesse secondo quanto previsto dal D. Lgs.
196/2003 . La violazione delle citate normative comporter le sanzioni
penali ed amministrative previste dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 .
GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. All rights reserved. This email is for the intended
recipient(s) only. This email and any attachment contains confidential and
proprietary information some or all of which may also be legally privileged.
Any copying, dissemination, disclosure, modification, or use of this email
by any other persons is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email
in error, please notify the sender immediately. Please then permanently
delete this email from your computer system. Thank you.
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When I told them I would only consider an exclusive dealer agreement for
the US, they gave me a dealer price of $7000 a pair. But you are once
again right on the money. They are trying to work both ends of the
market. You can be sure of one thing. If someone does buy them in the
US, I hope he/she is prepared to have to deal with the after-the-sale
support, if needed.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: GT Propellers
This seems to be pretty standard fare for many foreign sellers who are
unfamiliar with the US market and how our system works. To date I know
that these folks have been courting myself, Dennis Savarese, Jill and
Carl Hayes, and a few others. They wonder why none of us are eager to
do business. If you recall Fan from Eaglet Aircraft in China selling
new CJ's, she was attempting to work both sides of the sales
relationship selling to me then showing up at all the major airshows to
sell to my customers. More recently "Zack" was attempting to do the
same thing. They simply do not understand that they cannot sell to the
main vendors here in the US and then sell to the vendors customers also.
With respect to these propeller sellers, we all have requested the tech
performance data/graphs, etc. from them, and as far as I am aware none
of the above have received anything. Hopefully they will settle in on
one vendor and supply him/her with good quality information. Once the
information is in hand, and a competitive price is agreed upon we can
then see if the blades are in fact an improvement over the stock V530
blades. I am not aware of what the actual DEALER price is but I have
been told its something north of 6K for a set of their blades, this
pricing indicates to me that they really have not done much research
into the US market. IMHO the high price, plus the fact that at this
time we are without any solid information as to their actual performance
makes them impossible for me to consider adding them to my existing
stock of new V530 blades in my parts inventory.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of yak52
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:34 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: GT [LashBack] Propellors
This email was send to the RPA website - anybody have more info on
this?
Thanks,
Deon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear YAK/ M-14 operators
We are glad to inform you that our new 2.50 diameter prop
specifically designed and builted for YAK M-14 360/400 HP has been
succesfully tested by various aerobatic pilots and the performance are
very good.
Shorter take off distance ,about 50 meters less compared standard
V-530 original prop.
Greater climb rateo.
20 more KMH @ 62% with standard MAP pressure.
May interest further details ?
If so do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards.
Alessandro Tonini
GT Propellers
Via del Commercio, 7
47838 Riccione (RN) Italy
Tel. +39 0541 69 33 99
Fax +39 0541 69 33 31
www.gt-propellers.com
info@gt-propellers.com
In caso di cattiva ricezione telefonare al n=B0 0541-693399 Le
informazioni contenute in questo fax e/o E-Mail sono di propriet=E0
della GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. e sono riservate, pertanto ne =E9 inibita la
diffusione mediante qualsiasi tipo di modalit=E0 venga eseguita e devono
intendersi ad esclusivo uso del destinatario e/o destinatari sopra
indicati. Si ricorda a tutti coloro che dovessero erroneamente ricevere
questo fax e/o E-Mail che =E8 proibito fotocopiare, distribuire,
diffondere o alterare il documento. In caso di errato recapito si prega
di comunicare l'accaduto tempestivamente sia tramite fax e/o E-Mail che
telefonicamente e di rinviare il fax originale. Si rende noto che le
informazioni e/o i dati oggetto della presente comunicazione devono
essere soggetti a classificazione [ ai sensi del D. Lgs. 196/2003 Testo
unico sulla Privacy) I dati dovranno essere trattati nel rispetto della
normativa vigente mediante procedimenti idonei a garantire la loro
sicurezza e riservatezza. Le informazioni acquisite dovranno essere
conservate con le modalit=E0 previste dalla normativa di riferimento. Si
potranno esercitare i diritti previsti dall'art. 7 del D. Lgs. 196/2003
nonch=E9 l'opposizione all'utilizzo dei medesimi per le finalit=E0 di
cui all'oggetto a mezzo riscontro senza ritardo. L'Autorizzazione
relativa alla Divulgazione a terzi [dei quali dovr=E0 essere resa nota
l' Identificazione all'Interessato] delle informazioni oggetto della
presente comunicazione verr=E0 concessa a condizione che al pi=F9 presto
venga reso nota a cura del destinatario l'Informativa circa le
modalit=E0 di utilizzo e di trattamento delle informazioni stesse
secondo quanto previsto dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 . La violazione delle
citate normative comporter=E0 le sanzioni penali ed amministrative
previste dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 .
GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. All rights reserved. This email is for the
intended recipient(s) only. This email and any attachment contains
confidential and proprietary information some or all of which may also
be legally privileged. Any copying, dissemination, disclosure,
modification, or use of this email by any other persons is strictly
prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the
sender immediately. Please then permanently delete this email from your
computer system. Thank you.
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Dennis,
I got an email from them too about the blades. I wrote him back and told
him I would be glad to arrange a test flight and evaluation of one of his props
with the new blades in it if he sent it over here to us. At this point, I
think price is immaterial to the real data of does it work or not. If he is
willing to send a prop to you, me and someone here for evaluation for no
charge...Great. If it is the cat's ass so to speak, then there may be some reason
to attempt to work out a sales outlet here. If the blades turn out to have
some performance advantage yet not significant enough to warrant the expense
and agro, we will all know and so will GT propeller.
Kevin
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So, at long last there is a "kinda" announcement of the GT replacement blade, from
a spaghetti firm no less. Heh, whats-a-matter-U Dennis? you could be the local
dealer. Risking a visit from "Vinnie", my experience with this firm has been
at OSH and SNF where I have been talking with them for years now. This replacement
blade was announced about 2-3 years ago as I recall. I've still yet to
see on on an M-14 but their spammer prop looks well finished anyway.
At $4K a blade, we aren't going to see too many flying with the RedStars. While
the stock paddle blade is Old School, I've yet to be impressed by the Price/Performance
of the 3-blades on the market for somebody with a CJ. We ain't doin'
Unlimited acro in these things.
That being said, a replacement blade Could be a good performer, if it has an updated
blade section, and advanced composites. OTOH, I re-profiled my wood blade
a smidge, covered it in Kevlar and 'glass it it performs decent for the way
I fly it.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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Kevin,
I did exactly the same thing and they simply avoided the issue. They
want someone to buy the blades for testing. Sorry, not me.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: KJKimball@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: GT Propellers
Dennis,
I got an email from them too about the blades. I wrote him back and
told him I would be glad to arrange a test flight and evaluation of one
of his props with the new blades in it if he sent it over here to us.
At this point, I think price is immaterial to the real data of does it
work or not. If he is willing to send a prop to you, me and someone
here for evaluation for no charge...Great. If it is the cat's ass so to
speak, then there may be some reason to attempt to work out a sales
outlet here. If the blades turn out to have some performance advantage
yet not significant enough to warrant the expense and agro, we will all
know and so will GT propeller.
Kevin
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Craig,
You are correct about the 2-3 years ago issue. The points you make
Craig are precisely the sentiments I conveyed to them. It went on deaf
ears.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 5:05 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: GT Propellors
So, at long last there is a "kinda" announcement of the GT replacement
blade, from a spaghetti firm no less. Heh, whats-a-matter-U Dennis? you
could be the local dealer. Risking a visit from "Vinnie", my experience
with this firm has been at OSH and SNF where I have been talking with
them for years now. This replacement blade was announced about 2-3 years
ago as I recall. I've still yet to see on on an M-14 but their spammer
prop looks well finished anyway.
At $4K a blade, we aren't going to see too many flying with the
RedStars. While the stock paddle blade is Old School, I've yet to be
impressed by the Price/Performance of the 3-blades on the market for
somebody with a CJ. We ain't doin' Unlimited acro in these things.
That being said, a replacement blade Could be a good performer, if it
has an updated blade section, and advanced composites. OTOH, I
re-profiled my wood blade a smidge, covered it in Kevlar and 'glass it
it performs decent for the way I fly it.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: M-14P Generator Brushes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Bell" <yakflyr@comcast.net>
Thanks Mark. With an engine hoist and 3 strong men I will get that megawatt thing
off the engine, and send a brush sample to Doug.
--------
Mike Bell
Yak 52
Elk Grove, CA
yakflyr@comcastdotnet
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=41319#41319
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Hans,
You can get MT props for $8000?
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Oortman 1
Sent: 6/15/2006 4:14:02 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: GT Propellors
Dennis,
That is a ridiculous price I think Id prefer a 3-blade MT for that kind of money.i.e.
no market for this dudes blades..
Hans
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
Verzonden: donderdag 15 juni 2006 22:21
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com; m14pengines-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Yak-List: GT Propellors
Yes, I do. You will notice there is no specifics on structural testing AND clearly
no pricing. He avoids posting ANY retail prices. The blades are $4000 EACH.
So you're looking at $8000 replacement blades with no hub. Here is a copy
of my last email to Alessandro. He has not answered any of the questions in
this latest email below. So he decides to post some initial test data but yet
refuses to provide any structural technical specifications including destructive
testing results. He's the email....verbatim. I think you'll agree with
what I wrote in the email.
"Dear Alessandro,
To be very candid with you, no, the price is not getting more attractive. You
must understand how the vast majority of Yak 52's (including those with V530 propellers)
are flown here in the US. They are not used for aerobatics other than
maybe "gentleman's aerobatics" which does not require an expensive set of
blades. Most Yak52's are flown from runways (both grass and hard surface) that
are 2000 feet or more. Probably less than 1-2% of all the Yak 52's in the US
are flown off of "short" runways. Thus, the market for the GT blades to fulfill
a shorter runway takeoff requirement is maybe 5 total airplanes. Not much
of a market.
As I have said before in my emails, advertise the blades AND the price for EACH
blade on Barnstormers. Barnstormers ads are almost free. There is no doubt
you will receive inquiries. But inquiries do not generate revenue. Please remember
that here in the US the total market is about 275 Yak 52's. Most of the
other types of airplanes (not all of course) with M14P and PF engines are either
aerobatic aircraft with MT-9 propellers or slow speed, high lift aircraft
like the Wilga which really have no use for expensive propeller blades.
I have an idea. Why don't you tell me how many sets of blades your market research
has determined you will sell here in the US by aircraft type and why you
think you are going to sell that quantity of blades and over what period of time?
By the way, we have a company here in the US that offers a complete overhaul
of the V530 paddle prop blades including new nickel single piece leading edge
and complete stripping and fiberglass recovering and precision balancing for
$2100. "
Best regards,
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: yak52
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Yak-List: GT Propellors
This email was send to the RPA website anybody have more info on this?
Thanks,
Deon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear YAK/ M-14 operators
We are glad to inform you that our new 2.50 diameter prop specifically designed
and builted for YAK M-14 360/400 HP has been succesfully tested by various aerobatic
pilots and the performance are very good.
Shorter take off distance ,about 50 meters less compared standard V-530 original
prop.
Greater climb rateo.
20 more KMH @ 62% with standard MAP pressure.
May interest further details ?
If so do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards.
Alessandro Tonini
GT Propellers
Via del Commercio, 7
47838 Riccione (RN) Italy
Tel. +39 0541 69 33 99
Fax +39 0541 69 33 31
www.gt-propellers.com
info@gt-propellers.com
In caso di cattiva ricezione telefonare al n 0541-693399 Le informazioni contenute
in questo fax e/o E-Mail sono di propriet della GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. e sono
riservate, pertanto ne inibita la diffusione mediante qualsiasi tipo di modalit
venga eseguita e devono intendersi ad esclusivo uso del destinatario e/o
destinatari sopra indicati. Si ricorda a tutti coloro che dovessero erroneamente
ricevere questo fax e/o E-Mail che proibito fotocopiare, distribuire, diffondere
o alterare il documento. In caso di errato recapito si prega di comunicare
laccaduto tempestivamente sia tramite fax e/o E-Mail che telefonicamente e
di rinviare il fax originale. Si rende noto che le informazioni e/o i dati oggetto
della presente comunicazione devono essere soggetti a classificazione [
ai sensi del D. Lgs. 196/2003 Testo unico sulla Privacy) I dati dovranno essere
trattati nel rispetto della normativa vigente mediante procedimenti idonei a
garantire la loro sicurezza e riservatezza. Le
informazioni acquisite dovranno essere conservate con le modalit previste dalla
normativa di riferimento. Si potranno esercitare i diritti previsti dallart.
7 del D. Lgs. 196/2003 nonch lopposizione allutilizzo dei medesimi per le finalit
di cui alloggetto a mezzo riscontro senza ritardo. LAutorizzazione relativa
alla Divulgazione a terzi [dei quali dovr essere resa nota l Identificazione
allInteressato] delle informazioni oggetto della presente comunicazione verr
concessa a condizione che al pi presto venga reso nota a cura del destinatario
lInformativa circa le modalit di utilizzo e di trattamento delle informazioni
stesse secondo quanto previsto dal D. Lgs. 196/2003 . La violazione delle citate
normative comporter le sanzioni penali ed amministrative previste dal D.
Lgs. 196/2003 .
GT PROPELLERS s.n.c. All rights reserved. This email is for the intended recipient(s)
only. This email and any attachment contains confidential and proprietary
information some or all of which may also be legally privileged. Any copying,
dissemination, disclosure, modification, or use of this email by any other
persons is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please
notify the sender immediately. Please then permanently delete this email from
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS/Lite |
Anyone have experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS/Lite. Thinking of
replacing my RMI with one.
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