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1. 12:22 AM - Re: GT Propellors (Hans Oortman)
2. 04:23 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS/Lite (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 04:26 AM - GT Propellers (Richard Goode)
4. 04:46 AM - Re: Blue Mountain EFIS/Lite (David McGirt)
5. 07:27 AM - GT Propellers (Richard Goode)
6. 08:50 AM - Reno (Ira Saligman)
7. 09:00 AM - Re: Reno (Ben Marsh)
8. 09:28 AM - Gratitude (Barry Hancock)
9. 10:43 AM - Prop seals (Larry Pine)
10. 10:49 AM - Re: Gratitude (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 10:55 AM - Re: Prop seals (A. Dennis Savarese)
12. 11:12 AM - Re: Prop seals (doug sapp)
13. 12:31 PM - Re: Prop seals (Craig Payne)
14. 03:36 PM - Re: GT Propellors (Roger Kemp)
15. 10:28 PM - Re: Prop seals (Tim Gagnon)
16. 10:34 PM - Re: Gratitude (Tim Gagnon)
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Negative Doc, I wish I could...it's more like 9000....euro's that
is.....
Hans
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Roger Kemp
Verzonden: vrijdag 16 juni 2006 0:56
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: GT Propellors
Hans,
You can get MT props for $8000?
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Oortman 1 <mailto:pa3arw@euronet.nl>
Sent: 6/15/2006 4:14:02 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: GT Propellors
Dennis,
That is a ridiculous price I think I=12d prefer a 3-blade MT for that
kind of
money.i.e. no market for this dude=12s blades..
Hans
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Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
Verzonden: donderdag 15 juni 2006 22:21
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com; m14pengines-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Yak-List: GT Propellors
Yes, I do. You will notice there is no specifics on structural testing
AND
clearly no pricing. He avoids posting ANY retail prices. The blades
are
$4000 EACH. So you're looking at $8000 replacement blades with no hub.
Here is a copy of my last email to Alessandro. He has not answered any
of
the questions in this latest email below. So he decides to post some
initial test data but yet refuses to provide any structural technical
specifications including destructive testing results. He's the
email....verbatim. I think you'll agree with what I wrote in the email.
"Dear Alessandro,
To be very candid with you, no, the price is not getting more
attractive.
You must understand how the vast majority of Yak 52's (including those
with
V530 propellers) are flown here in the US. They are not used for
aerobatics
other than maybe "gentleman's aerobatics" which does not require an
expensive set of blades. Most Yak52's are flown from runways (both
grass
and hard surface) that are 2000 feet or more. Probably less than 1-2%
of
all the Yak 52's in the US are flown off of "short" runways. Thus, the
market for the GT blades to fulfill a shorter runway takeoff requir
ement is
maybe 5 total airplanes. Not much of a market.
As I have said before in my emails, advertise the blades AND the price
for
EACH blade on Barnstormers. Barnstormers ads are almost free. There is
no
doubt you will receive inquiries. But inquiries do not generate
revenue.
Please remember that here in the US the total market is about 275 Yak
52's.
Most of the other types of airplanes (not all of course) with M14P and
PF
engines are either aerobatic aircraft with MT-9 propellers or slow
speed,
high lift aircraft like the Wilga which really have no use for expensive
propeller blades.
I have an idea. Why don't you tell me how many sets of blades your
market
research has determined you will sell here in the US by aircraft type
and
why you think you are going to sell that quantity of blades and over
what
period of time? By the way, we have a company here in the US that
offers a
complete overhaul of the V530 paddle prop blades including new nickel
single
piece leading edge and complete stripping and fiberglass recovering and
precision balancing for $2100. "
Best regards,
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: yak52 <mailto:yak52@flyredstar.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Yak-List: GT Propellors
This email was send to the RPA website anybody have more info on this?
Thanks,
Deon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear YAK/ M-14 operators
We are glad to inform you that our new 2.50 diameter prop specifically
designed and builted for YAK M-14 360/400 HP has been succesfully tested
by
various aerobatic pilots and the performance are very good.
Shorter take off distance ,about 50 meters less compared standard V-530
original prop.
Greater climb rateo.
20 more KMH @ 62% with standard MAP pressure.
May interest further details ?
If so do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards.
Alessandro Tonini
GT Propellers
Via del Commercio, 7
47838 Riccione (RN) Italy
Tel. +39 0541 69 33 99
Fax +39 0541 69 33 31
www.gt-propellers.com
info@gt-propellers.com
In caso di cattiva ricezione telefonare al n0 0541-693399 Le
informazioni
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coloro che dovessero erroneamente ricevere questo fax e/o E-Mail che h
proibito fotocopiare, distribuire, diffondere o alterare il documento.
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tempestivamente
sia tramite fax e/o E-Mail che telefonicamente e di rinviare il fax
originale. Si rende noto che le informazioni e/o i dati oggetto della
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| Subject: | Re: Blue Mountain EFIS/Lite |
Send an email to Stu Mosbey. I believe he has one in his 52.
FIRSTFLYSQN@aol.com
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Shinden33
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:13 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Blue Mountain EFIS/Lite
Anyone have experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS/Lite. Thinking of
replacing my RMI with one.
Scott
Yak-52
N8252
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The propeller issue is interesting, and in my view similar to the engine su
pply situation, which people had thought was infinite, but, in practice isn
't.=0A
=0A
The simple fact is that no new V-530 propellers have been made by Speriott
for 7 years.=0A
=0A
Inevitably supply will dry up, and of course of blades rather than hubs fol
lowing ground-strikes. We have, I think, eight V-530 hubs and no blades to
put in them.=0A
=0A
So there definitely is a market for replacement blades. =0A
=0A
I spent some time trying to get MT Propeller to make them, but in the end t
hey said that their machinery could not compress the root sufficiently to g
et into the ferule, so, quite simply, technically could not make them even
if they wanted to.=0A
=0A
We also have an additional problem in that, in most parts of Europe, you si
mply can't put Experimental blades into a hub, and then fly. I suppose in
the end people will tend to go over to MT.=0A
=0A
For GT Propellers, if they are so good, they should be happy to do a back-t
o-back test against the V-530 and MTV-9.=0A
=0A
Richard Goode=0A
=0A
Richard Goode Aerobatics=0A
Rhodds Farm=0A
Lyonshall=0A
Herefordshire=0A
HR5 3LW=0A
United Kingdom=0A
=0A
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120=0A
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389=0A
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129=0A
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| Subject: | Blue Mountain EFIS/Lite |
Scott,
I can not comment on the Blue Mountain, but if you want a review of the
Dynon D10A EFIS, I have one in my 52TW, and have been very happy with the
unit.
David
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Blue Mountain EFIS/Lite
Send an email to Stu Mosbey. I believe he has one in his 52.
FIRSTFLYSQN@aol.com
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Shinden33 <mailto:shinden33@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 1:13 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Blue Mountain EFIS/Lite
Anyone have experience with the Blue Mountain EFIS/Lite. Thinking of
replacing my RMI with one.
Scott
Yak-52
N8252
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To be specific about MT prices:=0A
=0A
MT inevitably have to have two prices - one in euro and one in dollars, oth
erwise there would be nightmares of continuous adjustments.=0A
Today's European price for either an MTV-9 250 or a 260, and either the K o
r B flange - Russian or Western - and with the new -29 blade is Euro 10,050
. In addition you have to have a spinner, because that is where the static
balance weights are attached - and the small spinner is Euro 930 and the b
ig Euro 1,650.=0A
=0A
So the price with a small spinner is Euro 10,980 - today approximately US$1
3,850.=0A
=0A
The US list price for the same prop and spinner is US$12,700 plus US$1,090
to make a total of US$13,790 - effectively the same price, and of course re
member that the US price includes shipping to the US.=0A
=0A
At one stage the US price was almost US$1,500 cheaper. Some MT dealers wil
l give a percentage of their commission to lower these prices.=0A
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Richard Goode=0A
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Richard Goode Aerobatics=0A
Rhodds Farm=0A
Lyonshall=0A
Herefordshire=0A
HR5 3LW=0A
United Kingdom=0A
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Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120=0A
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Anyone going to Reno this year?
Ira Saligman
N185YK
o 610 687 0420
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
<mailto:isaligman@saligman.com> isaligman@saligman.com
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Every year with the Sanders and Mike Brown.
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ira Saligman
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:46 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Reno
Anyone going to Reno this year?
Ira Saligman
N185YK
o 610 687 0420
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
<mailto:isaligman@saligman.com> isaligman@saligman.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
At the urging of several people, I have decided to post this. It is
a patriotic post only loosely related to aviation....
++++++++
Recently, I watched with much interest and trepidation the NBC
Dateline 2 hour special on Operation Anaconda -a major offensive in
Afghanistan in 2002 (I apologize in advance for any typos, etc.). I
was admittedly worried that this piece would have the usual left wing
agenda of magnifying failures of our armed forces and minimizing the
successes. While mistakes were made and 7 Special Forces soldiers
died (6 fighting to recover the body of the first) during the "Rescue
on Roberts Ridge," it was a story of heroic valor and distinction
that is at the very core of what makes this nation great. It is a
story of human beings with families, some of which will go the rest
of their lives here on earth without seeing their husband, brother,
dad, or son again because they died fighting for me, for you, for them.
I have always felt an extreme level of appreciation and gratitude for
our men and women of the armed forces who have stood in harms way to
protect divine freedoms and privileges given this great country.
While reflecting on the sacrifice of grunts on the ground and airmen
alike - and the families they've left - to do a duty not because they
were forced to do it, but because they felt obligated to serve a
righteous cause, I am, without fail, filled with emotions. Emotions
such as thankfulness for their sacrifice and professional discipline,
awe at their courage, pride in my association as a fellow american,
and even a bit of jealousy and humility that I did not take the
opportunity to serve and give back to my great nation as they have.
I'm a sucker for the National Anthem or a missing man fly-by.
As I sat there tonight watching Stone Phillips narrate the story of
the soldiers and airmen that got unwittingly dropped into a meat
grinder on a remote mountain top, I could feel their fear, their
anger, their desperation as things turned from bad to worse, and
their sorrow of watching the guys they had grown closest to get hit
and die right before their eyes. Most importantly I saw their honor
and commitment to their creed of letting no fallen solider end up in
the hands of the enemy - a creed that distinguishes the American
soldier and embodies what makes this nation great.
In the end, tears rolled down my cheeks at the sight of stars and
stripes draped caskets being taken from transport planes and put into
hearses. I wept at the dignity and pride evident in the eyes and
words of Captain Nathan Self's wife, even when her husband still
struggles to find peace and accept that his is a hero. I smiled at
the wisdom of Specialist Oscar Escano's willingness to use his
experience to motivate him to fulfill his life's dream of becoming a
doctor so that his fallen comrades sacrifice would not be in vain.
The story was not what I had feared, it was what I would have hoped
it could have been.
We did not ask for this war on terror, just as we have not asked for
the vast majorities of conflicts we've engage in over the past two
and a quarter centuries. All we ask for in the long run is a place
to bury our dead. The seven men who gave the ultimate sacrifice for
my freedoms, and yours, were thankfully returned home to rest in the
soil they died to protect.
Ultimately, my heart was filled with joy, pride, and gratitude for
the uncommon dedication and service that these men, and countless
other men and women have made over the last 200+ years that allow me
to sit here tonight and freely express my feelings. The preceding
sentence describes many of you I'm sending this to...and for those it
doesn't describe, like myself, I hope you feel as I do - for without
their willingness to fight and die for our country - for us - the
simple freedoms afforded by our divinely inspired constitution would
cease to exist.
I am grateful for a balanced story on a not so balanced network. I am
grateful to be an American. I am grateful for the the American
soldier...the few who have given so much to so many.
Barry
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The prop seals in my prop were replaced approx 10 hrs ago. I assume they were
installed properly and really how can you screw it up! But I still have evidence
that oil is leaking from the front hub of the prop. has anyone had experience
with the oil tube gasket leaking and causing oil thru the skull cap or does
this type of leak only show at the rear of the prop. Question 2... Can these
oil tube seals be had easily or are they made in such a way that I can fabricate
one?
Thanks
Larry
Larry Pine
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Beautifully written Barry. It touched me deeply. You are to be commended.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <barry@flyredstar.org>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Gratitude
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
>
> At the urging of several people, I have decided to post this. It is
> a patriotic post only loosely related to aviation....
>
> ++++++++
>
> Recently, I watched with much interest and trepidation the NBC
> Dateline 2 hour special on Operation Anaconda -a major offensive in
> Afghanistan in 2002 (I apologize in advance for any typos, etc.). I
> was admittedly worried that this piece would have the usual left wing
> agenda of magnifying failures of our armed forces and minimizing the
> successes. While mistakes were made and 7 Special Forces soldiers
> died (6 fighting to recover the body of the first) during the "Rescue
> on Roberts Ridge," it was a story of heroic valor and distinction
> that is at the very core of what makes this nation great. It is a
> story of human beings with families, some of which will go the rest
> of their lives here on earth without seeing their husband, brother,
> dad, or son again because they died fighting for me, for you, for them.
>
> I have always felt an extreme level of appreciation and gratitude for
> our men and women of the armed forces who have stood in harms way to
> protect divine freedoms and privileges given this great country.
> While reflecting on the sacrifice of grunts on the ground and airmen
> alike - and the families they've left - to do a duty not because they
> were forced to do it, but because they felt obligated to serve a
> righteous cause, I am, without fail, filled with emotions. Emotions
> such as thankfulness for their sacrifice and professional discipline,
> awe at their courage, pride in my association as a fellow american,
> and even a bit of jealousy and humility that I did not take the
> opportunity to serve and give back to my great nation as they have.
> I'm a sucker for the National Anthem or a missing man fly-by.
>
> As I sat there tonight watching Stone Phillips narrate the story of
> the soldiers and airmen that got unwittingly dropped into a meat
> grinder on a remote mountain top, I could feel their fear, their
> anger, their desperation as things turned from bad to worse, and
> their sorrow of watching the guys they had grown closest to get hit
> and die right before their eyes. Most importantly I saw their honor
> and commitment to their creed of letting no fallen solider end up in
> the hands of the enemy - a creed that distinguishes the American
> soldier and embodies what makes this nation great.
>
> In the end, tears rolled down my cheeks at the sight of stars and
> stripes draped caskets being taken from transport planes and put into
> hearses. I wept at the dignity and pride evident in the eyes and
> words of Captain Nathan Self's wife, even when her husband still
> struggles to find peace and accept that his is a hero. I smiled at
> the wisdom of Specialist Oscar Escano's willingness to use his
> experience to motivate him to fulfill his life's dream of becoming a
> doctor so that his fallen comrades sacrifice would not be in vain.
> The story was not what I had feared, it was what I would have hoped
> it could have been.
>
> We did not ask for this war on terror, just as we have not asked for
> the vast majorities of conflicts we've engage in over the past two
> and a quarter centuries. All we ask for in the long run is a place
> to bury our dead. The seven men who gave the ultimate sacrifice for
> my freedoms, and yours, were thankfully returned home to rest in the
> soil they died to protect.
>
> Ultimately, my heart was filled with joy, pride, and gratitude for
> the uncommon dedication and service that these men, and countless
> other men and women have made over the last 200+ years that allow me
> to sit here tonight and freely express my feelings. The preceding
> sentence describes many of you I'm sending this to...and for those it
> doesn't describe, like myself, I hope you feel as I do - for without
> their willingness to fight and die for our country - for us - the
> simple freedoms afforded by our divinely inspired constitution would
> cease to exist.
>
> I am grateful for a balanced story on a not so balanced network. I am
> grateful to be an American. I am grateful for the the American
> soldier...the few who have given so much to so many.
>
> Barry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Did you check for scoring on the hub piston sleeve? Even a new outer
seal will not seal perfectly if there is scoring on the piston sleeve
which the rubber gasket presses against. Carefully examine the outer
seal edge for nicks etc. An oil tube gasket leak will typically show up
around the prop flange sawtooth. Look inside the hub for oil. It can
come from the oil tube gasket or from the inner seal on the hub piston.
The oil tube gasket should be available from either Doug Sapp, Carl Hays
or Gesoco/Cliff or George Coy. Not worth trying to fabricate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Pine
To: Yak-list
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:41 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Prop seals
The prop seals in my prop were replaced approx 10 hrs ago. I assume
they were installed properly and really how can you screw it up! But I
still have evidence that oil is leaking from the front hub of the prop.
has anyone had experience with the oil tube gasket leaking and causing
oil thru the skull cap or does this type of leak only show at the rear
of the prop. Question 2... Can these oil tube seals be had easily or
are they made in such a way that I can fabricate one?
Thanks
Larry
Larry Pine
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Larry,
Check the dome for out of round or scoring. I cannot repeat the tolerances
but it is listed in the Airframe Accessory Overhaul Manual. Check the oil
transfer tube for pitting or rust. They are hard to find but I have heard
of guys having them hard chromed and polished if they are found to be pitted
or scratched.
Hope this helps
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Pine
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:41 AM
To: Yak-list
Subject: Yak-List: Prop seals
The prop seals in my prop were replaced approx 10 hrs ago. I assume they
were installed properly and really how can you screw it up! But I still
have evidence that oil is leaking from the front hub of the prop. has
anyone had experience with the oil tube gasket leaking and causing oil thru
the skull cap or does this type of leak only show at the rear of the prop.
Question 2... Can these oil tube seals be had easily or are they made in
such a way that I can fabricate one?
Thanks
Larry
Larry Pine
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Sounds like the gasket(s) under the oil tube, where it screws into the crankshaft
end. Make sure the tube isn't loose to start with. An O-ring will work and
you could make a couple of flat ones from good gasket material if you have a sharp
die cutter of the right size. Oil hole cannot be blocked though. Worked for
me.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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Hans,
That is pretty much in line with over here in the USA once you do the EU conversion
and shipping.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Oortman
Sent: 6/16/2006 2:29:05 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: GT Propellors
Negative Doc, I wish I could..its more like 9000.euros that is..
Hans
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Roger Kemp
Verzonden: vrijdag 16 juni 2006 0:56
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: GT Propellors
Hans,
You can get MT props for $8000?
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Oortman 1
Sent: 6/15/2006 4:14:02 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: GT Propellors
Dennis,
That is a ridiculous price I think Id prefer a 3-blade MT for that kind of money.i.e.
no market for this dudes blades..
Hans
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
Verzonden: donderdag 15 juni 2006 22:21
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com; m14pengines-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Yak-List: GT Propellors
Yes, I do. You will notice there is no specifics on structural testing AND clearly
no pricing. He avoids posting ANY retail prices. The blades are $4000 EACH.
So you're looking at $8000 replacement blades with no hub. Here is a copy
of my last email to Alessandro. He has not answered any of the questions in
this latest email below. So he decides to post some initial test data but yet
refuses to provide any structural technical specifications including destructive
testing results. He's the email....verbatim. I think you'll agree with
what I wrote in the email.
"Dear Alessandro,
To be very candid with you, no, the price is not getting more attractive. You
must understand how the vast majority of Yak 52's (including those with V530 propellers)
are flown here in the US. They are not used for aerobatics other than
maybe "gentleman's aerobatics" which does not require an expensive set of
blades. Most Yak52's are flown from runways (both grass and hard surface) that
are 2000 feet or more. Probably less than 1-2% of all the Yak 52's in the US
are flown off of "short" runways. Thus, the market for the GT blades to fulfill
a shorter runway takeoff requir ement is maybe 5 total airplanes. Not much
of a market.
As I have said before in my emails, advertise the blades AND the price for EACH
blade on Barnstormers. Barnstormers ads are almost free. There is no doubt
you will receive inquiries. But inquiries do not generate revenue. Please remember
that here in the US the total market is about 275 Yak 52's. Most of the
other types of airplanes (not all of course) with M14P and PF engines are either
aerobatic aircraft with MT-9 propellers or slow speed, high lift aircraft
like the Wilga which really have no use for expensive propeller blades.
I have an idea. Why don't you tell me how many sets of blades your market research
has determined you will sell here in the US by aircraft type and why you
think you are going to sell that quantity of blades and over what period of time?
By the way, we have a company here in the US that offers a complete overhaul
of the V530 paddle prop blades including new nickel single piece leading edge
and complete stripping and fiberglass recovering and precision balancing for
$2100. "
Best regards,
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: yak52
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Yak-List: GT Propellors
This email was send to the RPA website anybody have more info on this?
Thanks,
Deon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Dear YAK/ M-14 operators
We are glad to inform you that our new 2.50 diameter prop specifically designed
and builted for YAK M-14 360/400 HP has been succesfully tested by various aerobatic
pilots and the performance are very good.
Shorter take off distance ,about 50 meters less compared standard V-530 original
prop.
Greater climb rateo.
20 more KMH @ 62% with standard MAP pressure.
May interest further details ?
If so do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
I had the same problem and there were two issues:
1.) The prop shaft was loose.
2.) The seals were old.
I bought new ones from Doug Sapp and they did the trick.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
A friend of mine was on that ridge. He was one of our PJ's and gave a briefing
on what happened. There is more to that story than what you will hear on the news.
It is of course classified so I cannot divulge the info here. The news only
scratched the surface of what happened on Roberts Ridge. I have also seen Predator
video of the initial attack...not easy to watch. Keary was awarded the
Silver Star.
Here is an interview he did in Lousiville:
123RD Special Tactics Squadron
Battle on Takur Ghar
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
By C. Ray Hall
The Courier-Journal
Kentucky Guard unit's 'masters of invisibility' operate mostly in secret
On a rugged Afghan mountain, a rescue mission turned into a fight for survival
for Kentucky Air Guardsman Keary Miller and other U.S. Special Forces.
For the first time since he came under intense fire in Afghanistan, Tech. Sgt.
Keary Miller talked to Louisville media this week. This is his story.
Four months ago today, two helicopters lifted off in the cold pre-dawn -- on a
lifesaving mission that turned into the deadliest battle for American servicemen
in nearly a decade.
The 52-foot-long Chinook copters were bound for a mountain named Takur Ghar in
eastern Afghanistan. Tech. Sgt. Keary Miller, a pararescueman from the Kentucky
Air National Guard, rode aboard the first chopper.
Miller, who is in his early 30s, is an 11-year veteran with the look of a defensive
back and the demeanor of an apprentice undertaker. His job is to save lives.
Traditionally, National Guardsmen are called 'weekend warriors.' But Miller
is like many other pararescuemen: The Guard is his only job. And it's more than
fulltime.
Two weeks before, Miller had helped save the crew of a C-130 that crashed into
a mountainside 10,000 feet up.
'Part of the reason those people lived is that Keary was on the scene,' says Col.
Craig Rith, deputy commander of the 720th Special Tactics Group, the Florida-based
parent of Miller's unit.
Miller, a Californian, belongs to the 123rd Special Tactics Squadron based at Louisville
International Airport. As a pararescueman, he is trained -- among other
things -- to jump out of an airplane two miles high, free-falling until it's
safe to open his chute. In high-tech mode, he might carry a defibrillator onto
the battlefield. In low-tech mode, he can survive on rabbits and mice.
He usually works in darkness -- and secrecy. His job is so specialized that the
Air Force has only about 300 pararescuemen. It has 10,000 pilots.
Riding in the dark chill on March 4, Miller and the others aboard the first helicopter
-- including eight crewmen and 10 Army Rangers -- could scarcely have
guessed the havoc that awaited them -- or that by day's end seven would be dead,
four seriously wounded, out of an overall American contingent of more than
50.
They simply knew that at least one U.S. serviceman was stranded on the mountain.
'We immediately received fire'
A couple of hours earlier -- about 3 a.m. -- a helicopter attempted to deposit
a team of Navy SEALs on the mountain, for reconaissance. AlQaida forces fired
on the helicopter. Bullets ripped through oil and hydraulic lines, splashing liquid
on the floor.
One of the SEALs, Petty Officer Neil Roberts, slipped on the slick floor and fell
out the back, five to 10 feet, into the snow. The chopper crash-landed about
4 1/2 miles away. Eventually another copter took Roberts' teammates back to
rescue him.
The team encountered al-Qaida gunfire. John Chapman, an Air Force tech sergeant,
was killed, and two SEALs were wounded. By then, Roberts had been shot to death
too. The rest of the Americans retreated down the mountainside. The unit
The 123rd Special Tactics Squadron has its home in Louisville, but its missions
are worldwide and cloaked in secrecy.
As dawn approached, Keary Miller and the others aboard the copter received their
six-minute warning and started getting ready to land. They knew little, if anything,
about the mayhem below. A radio malfunction kept the pilot from receiving
new landing instructions, away from the hot spot. As the Chinook approached,
it was in the line of fire.
Before it could touch the ground, Miller says, 'we immediately received fire.'
The second chopper veered off and landed about 2,000 feet down the mountain. There
it deposited a team of Rangers who would face an arduous climb to join their
comrades.
Farther up the mountain, al-Qaida forces were firing at the Chinook. Some rocket-propelled
grenades ripped into the copter. Others ricocheted off its skin. Miller
heard relentless small-arms fire.
'The Rangers . . . peeled out of the helo (helicopter) and immediately returned
fire,' Miller recalls.
He saw that two American soldiers were already dead. (The first to die, apparently,
was Sgt. Phil Svitak, a gunner from Missouri. He had been stationed at Fort
Campbell, Ky.)
Both pilots were seriously wounded. Miller pulled one of them to the rear. There
he treated the wounded, in the weak light of dawn. Up front, an Army medic and
another Air Force pararescueman, Senior Airman Jason Cunningham, attended other
casualties.
'We were pretty much taking continuous fire,' Miller recalls. 'But we were returning
fire. . . . The Rangers did an awesome job. The platoon leader really performed.
. . . They just basically kicked ass.'
(Official reports are mute on the number of enemy fighters. They simply refer to
the Americans' facing superior numbers.)
'Definitely engaged in close combat'
Miller had been shot at before -- while riding in helicopters. But this was the
first time he faced hostile fire on the ground.
'You could hear the rounds crackling,' he says. 'You could hear the pop of them
going by you. Every once in a while, you could see the snow pop up in front of
you.'
The Rangers were shooting back, and soon a combat controller -- Miller calls him
only 'Sgt. Brown' -- started calling in close air support.
'They were under 50 meters from us,' Miller says of the enemy. 'I mean, we were
definitely engaged in close combat.'
A U.S helicopter flew over Afghanistan on March 5, after a deadly battle with al-Qaida
fighters. Tech. Sgt. Keary Miller, a pararescueman from the Kentucky Air
National Guard, was aboard the first copter in that mission.
Photos By Michael Clevenger
So close that Miller fretted that some of the wounded might be hit by friendly
fire from American jets. But he does not remember worrying about himself.
'You're not so much concerned about yourself as you are about your buddy,' he says.
'You never think you're going to be the one that gets hit. . . . I just kept
on doing my job.'
Early in the firefight, Miller says, four Americans were dead and perhaps six wounded
-- three critically.
'Some of our wounded were still functioning,' he says. 'Some of the guys hit by
shrapnel were still moving and shooting, doing their job.'
The seriously wounded were strapped to stretchers.
'They couldn't see what was going on,' Miller says. 'So I always thought they had
it worse than I did, just because I could be up and I kind of knew my surroundings,
and guys were lying on their backs strapped to a litter. And really,
you could just hear, they had lost some of their senses.'
'The trees were crackling' with bullets
The Rangers attempted an assault on the al-Qaida mountaintop bunkers but were repelled.
Down the mountain, Rangers from the second chopper were advancing slowly
in the kneedeep snow. To go faster, they took off weighty body armor -- then
bashed it, lest it fall into the hands of the al-Qaida. They joined forces
with the other Rangers and eventually knocked out the bunker.
Five hours after their arrival, the place seemed secure. Miller began walking one
of the casualties up the slope, through the snow. At the same time, he was
looking for a suitable landing zone for a rescue chopper.
'All of a sudden,' he recalls, 'we get lit up from the south. Literally, an RPG
(rocket-propelled grenade) right over our heads. I could have caught it with
a baseball glove.'
More small-arms fire filled the air.
'The trees were crackling,' he says. 'Pine needles were falling on us.'
The remaining al-Qaida forces, he says, 'started shooting at the casualties. .
. . The Army medic got hit, and Cunningham got hit trying to move the casualties.'
Cunningham had received a grievous wound to the pelvis. Miller and a Ranger medic
began attending to the two wounded medics.
More air support was called in against the al-Qaida forces.
'Rocked their world,' Miller says.
'It's awesome when you can put a bomb on target . . . and they put the bombs right
on target, so I thank God for that.'
With the immediate danger finally over, Miller could turn his full attention to
the patients. (He generally calls them patients, not casualties.)
'Temperatures were dropping because the sun was starting to work its way down,'
he says. 'Hypothermia was starting to set in. Every time I exposed a patient,
hypothermia would kick in even more. . . .
'We start ripping insulation -- everything we could -- out of the helo and . .
. put it under the patients.'
'We took a lot of casualties'
At some point during the 15-hour ordeal, Miller had a moment to reflect on the
picture he carried in his left breast pocket.
'I always flew with a picture of my kids,' he says. 'There was a point where I
was like, we're in a little bit of deep --- right now. You never truly know the
outcome -- you don't think you're going to get hurt, but obviously . . . we
were in an awkward situation. . . . They hit us hard. . . . We took a lot of casualties
at the beginning, so there was definitely . . .'
The doubt slipping into his voice gave way to resolve.
'We weren't leaving the hill, and we weren't going anywhere . . . without all of
our buddies.'
As the sun began to set, word came that 'exfiltration' helicopters would arrive
in a couple of hours to take the Americans off the mountain.
Finally, around 8:15 p.m., four helicopters arrived.
'The first bird took out the most seriously wounded -- four wounded -- and we removed
all seven of the KIA (killed in action) on the second chop,' he says.
'Certain things mean a little bit more'
The firefight on Takur Ghar made March 4, 2002, the deadliest day of combat for
an American unit since 18 Rangers and Special Operations soldiers died in Mogadishu,
Somalia, in 1993.
Three weeks after the firefight, Miller was back in Louisville. He had spent about
four months in Afghanistan.
His feelings upon being reunited with his wife and children: 'It was almost a luxury,
I would say. Cunningham left . . . he left his own family. All the deceased
did. So, I just felt like it was a luxury for me to have . . .'
His voice trails off, and he does not finish.
Miller's boss at the 123rd Special Tactics Squadron, Senior Master Sgt. Patrick
Malone, says: 'His performance under fire was impeccable. Even for me, as a 20year
guy who's
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