---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/06/06: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:59 AM - The Current Russian Military Trainer (Richard Goode) 2. 06:08 AM - Re: The Current Russian Military Trainer (Robert Schwartz) 3. 06:37 AM - Re: The Current Russian Military Trainer (cjpilot710@aol.com) 4. 07:12 AM - Re: The Current Russian Military Trainer (Robert Schwartz) 5. 07:25 AM - Re: The Current Russian Military Trainer (A. Dennis Savarese) 6. 09:50 AM - Zvesda Extraction Systems (Richard Goode) 7. 09:50 AM - The Current Russian Military Trainer (Richard Goode) 8. 08:28 PM - Yak 52 Intercomm (PHCarter@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:22 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: The Current Russian Military Trainer I should add that the 52Ms are old (but low-time) airframes being reconditi oned and converted.=0A =0A Richard Goode=0A =0A Richard Goode Aerobatics=0A Rhodds Farm=0A Lyonshall=0A Herefordshire=0A HR5 3LW=0A United Kingdom=0A =0A Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120=0A Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389=0A Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129=0A www.russianaeros.com=0A =0A --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --=0A This message has been scanned for viruses and=0A dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com=0A MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:21 AM PST US From: "Robert Schwartz" Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Current Russian Military Trainer will there be any chance at some point to get a set of the new wings and bubble canopy? ROBERT SCHWARTZ To: YAK USA LIST Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Yak-List: The Current Russian Military Trainer I should add that the 52Ms are old (but low-time) airframes being reconditioned and converted. Richard Goode Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by http://www.invictawiz.com and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:53 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Current Russian Military Trainer In a message dated 7/6/2006 9:09:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, schwartzcompany@att.net writes: I have always been interested in the Russian extraction seats. For light aircraft they seem more practical than a full aircraft let down system. However fitting them into a CJ without major canopy modes (and I love the sliding canopy) makes them hard as a retrofit. ( At least I can't figure how to do it). But for the formation flying and formation acrobatics guys this would be a great safety asset. Installation + cost would drive the price of these things. A lot of guys might try some really exciting flying IF the was a way to get out of a screw up. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > To: YAK USA LIST > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:54 AM > Subject: Yak-List: The Current Russian Military Trainer > > > I should add that the 52Ms are old (but low-time) airframes being > reconditioned and converted. > > Richard Goode > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:48 AM PST US From: "Robert Schwartz" Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Current Russian Military Trainer If the cost was at all reasonable, or if a eastern european provider could be found, installing the new Yak M wing on our older 52's would have great interest to me., Better cruise speed, more fuel etc From: cjpilot710@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Current Russian Military Trainer In a message dated 7/6/2006 9:09:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, schwartzcompany@att.net writes: I have always been interested in the Russian extraction seats. For light aircraft they seem more practical than a full aircraft let down system. However fitting them into a CJ without major canopy modes (and I love the sliding canopy) makes them hard as a retrofit. ( At least I can't figure how to do it). But for the formation flying and formation acrobatics guys this would be a great safety asset. Installation + cost would drive the price of these things. A lot of guys might try some really exciting flying IF the was a way to get out of a screw up. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby To: YAK USA LIST Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Yak-List: The Current Russian Military Trainer I should add that the 52Ms are old (but low-time) airframes being reconditioned and converted. Richard Goode Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:25:55 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Current Russian Military Trainer IMHO (which really isn't worth a whole lot) regardless if a CJ or Yak 52 had ejection seats, I seriously doubt the owners would say "oh well" and eject. Bailing out using our existing emergency parachutes runs a very close second to ejecting during screw ups. I can't recall anyone saying "oh well" and bailing out. All those that had the opportunity to bail and had chutes of course, chose not to egress and ultimately became statistics. Maybe a another solution would be to install the Cirrus aircraft emergency parachute system. Probably would cost less than two ejection seats. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Current Russian Military Trainer In a message dated 7/6/2006 9:09:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, schwartzcompany@att.net writes: I have always been interested in the Russian extraction seats. For light aircraft they seem more practical than a full aircraft let down system. However fitting them into a CJ without major canopy modes (and I love the sliding canopy) makes them hard as a retrofit. ( At least I can't figure how to do it). But for the formation flying and formation acrobatics guys this would be a great safety asset. Installation + cost would drive the price of these things. A lot of guys might try some really exciting flying IF the was a way to get out of a screw up. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby To: YAK USA LIST Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Yak-List: The Current Russian Military Trainer[LashBack] I should add that the 52Ms are old (but low-time) airframes being reconditioned and converted. Richard Goode Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:18 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: Zvesda Extraction Systems The system itself is brilliant - the only problem is dealing with the compa ny that manufactures them, who are set in an old-world military mentality. =0A =0A I don't think the canopy is an issue - the telescopic rod that is powered b y explosive simply shatters the canopy; the droge chute at its end pulls ou t the parachute and the parachute pulls out the pilot. All within a 1/4 of a second.=0A =0A It also works in extreme attitudes - in fact down to 150 feet inverted!=0A =0A Richard Goode =0A =0A Richard Goode Aerobatics=0A Rhodds Farm=0A Lyonshall=0A Herefordshire=0A HR5 3LW=0A United Kingdom=0A =0A Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120=0A Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389=0A Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129=0A www.russianaeros.com=0A =0A --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --=0A This message has been scanned for viruses and=0A dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com=0A MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:18 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: The Current Russian Military Trainer The 'new' wings with integral long-range tanks are of course simply modific ations of existing wings.=0A =0A The modification is a very substantial one, and although we have had a few kits made with Yakovlev in Moscow to convert aeroplanes we are restoring in Russia, I suspect that the work involved - i.e. rebuilding part of the win g is probably too expensive to make sense in the West.=0A =0A We actually sent three kits out to Australia, together with a technician to show them, and their feeling was that he wasn't economic in the sense of w hat they could actually charge for the conversion.=0A =0A For the bubble canopies, no reason why they couldn't be obtained in the fut ure. =0A =0A However the problem is that Yakovlev has to run commercially; the whole 52M programme has been costed at huge prices for the military, and I suspect t hat even civilian 'run-ons' would be expensive!=0A =0A Richard Goode=0A =0A Richard Goode Aerobatics=0A Rhodds Farm=0A Lyonshall=0A Herefordshire=0A HR5 3LW=0A United Kingdom=0A =0A Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120=0A Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389=0A Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129=0A www.russianaeros.com=0A =0A --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --=0A This message has been scanned for viruses and=0A dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com=0A MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:33 PM PST US From: PHCarter@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Intercomm The volume of the radio and intercom in the rear cockpit has gotten too low to hear in flight. The volume of the front cockpit for both radio and intercom is just fine and adjusts well in both volume and squelch. I don't think it is the rear headset, but still doing test to make sure. Are there any adjustments or classic problems with the intercom that anyone can tell me about? Preston, N6209F