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1. 04:35 AM - Re: Yak 52 Intercomm (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:41 AM - Re: Yak 52 Intercomm (black seven)
3. 07:22 AM - Ejection Seats (Jill Gernetzke)
4. 08:31 AM - Re: Ejection Seats (Rick Basiliere)
5. 09:17 AM - Ejection Seats (Richard Goode)
6. 09:57 AM - Re: Ejection Seats (cjpilot710@aol.com)
7. 11:56 AM - Yak 52 Intercomm (Russ aka Duncan)
8. 03:41 PM - Re: Yak 52 Intercomm (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 04:58 PM - Test (Keith Harbour)
10. 05:44 PM - Re: Test (Jim Selby)
11. 10:06 PM - Re: MTW/OSH (Ronald Kalemba)
12. 10:31 PM - CJ-6 FOR SALE (Ronald Kalemba)
13. 10:55 PM - Desert Thunder III (Barry Hancock)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Intercomm |
Be sure that both toggle switches in both cockpits are in the down
position. Then adjust the volume controls for both the intercom and VHF
fully clockwise. If you are using an active noise canceling headset in
the rear cockpit, remove it and try using two passive headsets in the
front and rear of the same type if possible, and see if that makes a
difference.
Dennis
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From: PHCarter@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:09 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Intercomm
The volume of the radio and intercom in the rear cockpit has gotten
too low to hear in flight. The volume of the front cockpit for both
radio and intercom is just fine and adjusts well in both volume and
squelch. I don't think it is the rear headset, but still doing test to
make sure. Are there any adjustments or classic problems with the
intercom that anyone can tell me about?
Preston, N6209F
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Intercomm |
Do you have the original radio? I have the same problem you've described, but
have been told by several different radio people that there is an impedence issue
between the Russian equip. and American. I'm using a Garmin GPS Com. in the
front.
PHCarter@aol.com wrote: The volume of the radio and intercom in the rear cockpit
has gotten too low to hear in flight. The volume of the front cockpit
for both radio and intercom is just fine and adjusts well in both volume and squelch.
I don't think it is the rear headset, but still doing test to make sure.
Are there any adjustments or classic problems with the intercom that anyone
can tell me about?
Preston, N6209F
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
Group,
We have been approached in the past to become dealers/representatives
for the Zvezda ejection seats for the Yak 52. There was mention of
bringing one to Oshkosh, also. The cost at the time was in the range
of $30,000 - 35,000 USD. As I recall, there was a maintenance regime
that does not allow the owner to service the system.... more $$$. Our
biggest issue was that we did not think the level of customer support
we desired would be offered. Steve Kalmar of Eastern Block Aircraft
was a dealer on the west coast. I don't know if he is still making a
go of the ejection seats or not. The small market research I did
indicated that owners were not ready to open their wallets for this
installation.
Jill Gernetzke
M-14P, Inc.
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| Subject: | Re: Ejection Seats |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Rick Basiliere <discrab@earthlink.net>
There was one in a SU-26 here in Colorado. The a/c crashed killing the pilot at
an airshow in Telluride, CO a few years ago. The seat was not deployed. I
understand Fire and Police needed to treat the wreckage as a haz-mat because of
the unexploded ordinance. I was not there but was asked by insurance investigators
to view the video with Boris Rakitin (sp?) directly from Sukhoi Design
Bureau to add any insight I might have had.
I had heard, as Jill states, it was a $30,000 add-on. I had also heard that a
canopy-less SU-29 was flown at OSH and a dummy ejected some years ago - any truth
to that?
Rick b
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
>Sent: Jul 7, 2006 8:15 AM
>To: Yak-List Digest List <yak-list-digest@matronics.com>
>Subject: Yak-List: Ejection Seats
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>--> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
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>Group,
>
>We have been approached in the past to become dealers/representatives
>for the Zvezda ejection seats for the Yak 52. There was mention of
>bringing one to Oshkosh, also. The cost at the time was in the range
>of $30,000 - 35,000 USD. As I recall, there was a maintenance regime
>that does not allow the owner to service the system.... more $$$. Our
>biggest issue was that we did not think the level of customer support
>we desired would be offered. Steve Kalmar of Eastern Block Aircraft
>was a dealer on the west coast. I don't know if he is still making a
>go of the ejection seats or not. The small market research I did
>indicated that owners were not ready to open their wallets for this
>installation.
>
>Jill Gernetzke
>M-14P, Inc.
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Following on from Jill's posting, we have installed three on new Su-31 airc
raft. The additional price was US$25,000.=0A
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As Jill says there is a service problem - they need an overhaul every 2 yea
rs, and Zvesda first said they had to go back to Russia, and then wanted to
charge a fortune to send someone.=0A
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There was a guy in California - 'Hit The Silk' - selling them for a while,
but he seems to have disappeared!=0A
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In terms of demonstrating, there have been numerous demonstrations at air s
hows with dummies, and also I have seen one live ejection in Russia.
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| Subject: | Re: Ejection Seats |
To use or not to use.
Ejection or extraction seats to me are a more viable though expensive safety
device than the stuff we sit on now. To use one or not use one depends, I
think, on ones experiences.
I first made a parachute jump in 1963 (all round chutes then) when a
skydiver's chute opened while still standing on the step of the Cessna 180 I was
flying part time for a club. Fortunately the chute went under the stabilizer and
led to her rather spectacular disappearance from the step. At that point I
started wearing a chute and the club jump master suggested I learn how to use it.
He was hoping for a 'convert' but I just needed to know how it worked. 7
jumps later, I had it down pat. Believe me guys it don't take a 'rocket
scientist' to jump from airplane BUT I did learn what to expect.
Jump forward 10 years. I was flying my Pitts when I got smoke (A LOT OF
SMOKE) in the cockpit when an oil line from the inverted oil system broke loose
from a bracket and got next to the exhaust pipe, and burned though. I remember
at the time thinking very clearly "One flicker of flame and I'm out of here"
(yes I was wearing a chute). With that option in hand, I was able to
concentrate on the problem at hand.
Because of my experience with packing and jumping my own chute, I had (still
do) no qualms about stepping over the side, in a given situation. And that is
the crust. The chutes we sit on now have a limited operational envelope.
Stepping out at 200' is not an option and since we are (at least me) is often in
formation and sometimes below 1,000' at airshow, this isn't even time enough.
It is not the chute opening -- it is getting out of the doomed airplane.
How many of us practice getting out of our airplane -- normally -- still wearing
our chutes? Add to this the slip stream and aircraft gyrations, it becomes
an argument on who's kidding who. Maybe you have a chance and maybe you don't.
If you wear a chute, you must know what its limits are. You than must -
AHEAD OF TIME - plan on when you will use it. At night over mountains (something
that crossed my mind just a month ago), or impossible terrain, fire,
structural failure, or collision at altitude. You need to dictate to your self
this is
the limited on why, when and where you will use the chute. You need this
same "comitment" about extraction system too.
The nice thing about the extraction chute (and ejection seats) is that they
open the envelope a whole lot wider and thus add safety.
If the price of these systums were in the $5,000 bracket (impossible?) I'd
have one in a heart beat. Not that they aren't worth the money they are asking
now, BUT you're talking to a retired airline pilot who just lost 60% of his
retirement.
Se-la-vie
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Yak 52 Intercomm |
Having been in the backseat of a 52 for many hours there is a set of volume controls
for just the backseat, also there are two channels for the intercom (toggle
switches) that should both in the same position in the front and back.
DeBear, Did I miss anything?
Russ
Russ
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Intercomm |
Yes, that is correct. There IS an impedance issue that affects audio
levels as does some of the active noise canceling headsets.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: black seven
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Intercomm
Do you have the original radio? I have the same problem you've
described, but have been told by several different radio people that
there is an impedence issue between the Russian equip. and American. I'm
using a Garmin GPS Com. in the front.
PHCarter@aol.com wrote:
The volume of the radio and intercom in the rear cockpit has gotten
too low to hear in flight. The volume of the front cockpit for both
radio and intercom is just fine and adjusts well in both volume and
squelch. I don't think it is the rear headset, but still doing test to
make sure. Are there any adjustments or classic problems with the
intercom that anyone can tell me about?
Preston, N6209F
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Test ok
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith Harbour
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Test
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Herb,
Do you have a list of hotels in MTW where most folks are staying?
$$ and phone #'s would be helpful.
Thanks,
Ron Kalemba
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YAKKERS;
My CJ-6 is "FOR SALE"
Year 1981, TT 1950 hrs., 285hp 225hrs. SMOH
Contact me off list.
Ron Kalemba
847-639-8762 Home
224-558-8173 Cell
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| Subject: | Desert Thunder III |
Tactical Simulation at Thermal (KTRM) Oct. 26-29.....
The most fun you can have in an airplane! Back seating and ground ops
are as fun as flying up front! We have roles/needs for anyone that is
at all interested in how tactical air campaigns work! Tactical
Formation training, Close Air Support training, and air war scenarios
blending Vietnam era technologies and threats with current day
scenarios. FAST qualification is required to fly Tac Form, but *all*
pilots will have a blast. Just ask Blitz! ;)
Or.....when was the last time you got to flour bomb the crap out of a
beat up VW bus and a water tower??? ;)
http://www.flyredstar.org/T_EventDetail.aspx?ID=10 for event details
and to register.
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Western Regional Coordinator
RedStar Pilots Association
(949) 300-5510
www.flyredstar.org
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