---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/07/06: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:35 AM - Re: Yak 52 Intercomm (A. Dennis Savarese) 2. 05:41 AM - Re: Yak 52 Intercomm (black seven) 3. 07:22 AM - Ejection Seats (Jill Gernetzke) 4. 08:31 AM - Re: Ejection Seats (Rick Basiliere) 5. 09:17 AM - Ejection Seats (Richard Goode) 6. 09:57 AM - Re: Ejection Seats (cjpilot710@aol.com) 7. 11:56 AM - Yak 52 Intercomm (Russ aka Duncan) 8. 03:41 PM - Re: Yak 52 Intercomm (A. Dennis Savarese) 9. 04:58 PM - Test (Keith Harbour) 10. 05:44 PM - Re: Test (Jim Selby) 11. 10:06 PM - Re: MTW/OSH (Ronald Kalemba) 12. 10:31 PM - CJ-6 FOR SALE (Ronald Kalemba) 13. 10:55 PM - Desert Thunder III (Barry Hancock) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:12 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Intercomm Be sure that both toggle switches in both cockpits are in the down position. Then adjust the volume controls for both the intercom and VHF fully clockwise. If you are using an active noise canceling headset in the rear cockpit, remove it and try using two passive headsets in the front and rear of the same type if possible, and see if that makes a difference. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: PHCarter@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:09 PM Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Intercomm The volume of the radio and intercom in the rear cockpit has gotten too low to hear in flight. The volume of the front cockpit for both radio and intercom is just fine and adjusts well in both volume and squelch. I don't think it is the rear headset, but still doing test to make sure. Are there any adjustments or classic problems with the intercom that anyone can tell me about? Preston, N6209F ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:38 AM PST US From: black seven Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Intercomm Do you have the original radio? I have the same problem you've described, but have been told by several different radio people that there is an impedence issue between the Russian equip. and American. I'm using a Garmin GPS Com. in the front. PHCarter@aol.com wrote: The volume of the radio and intercom in the rear cockpit has gotten too low to hear in flight. The volume of the front cockpit for both radio and intercom is just fine and adjusts well in both volume and squelch. I don't think it is the rear headset, but still doing test to make sure. Are there any adjustments or classic problems with the intercom that anyone can tell me about? Preston, N6209F Check 6! --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:18 AM PST US From: Jill Gernetzke Subject: Yak-List: Ejection Seats --> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke Group, We have been approached in the past to become dealers/representatives for the Zvezda ejection seats for the Yak 52. There was mention of bringing one to Oshkosh, also. The cost at the time was in the range of $30,000 - 35,000 USD. As I recall, there was a maintenance regime that does not allow the owner to service the system.... more $$$. Our biggest issue was that we did not think the level of customer support we desired would be offered. Steve Kalmar of Eastern Block Aircraft was a dealer on the west coast. I don't know if he is still making a go of the ejection seats or not. The small market research I did indicated that owners were not ready to open their wallets for this installation. Jill Gernetzke M-14P, Inc. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:51 AM PST US From: Rick Basiliere Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ejection Seats --> Yak-List message posted by: Rick Basiliere There was one in a SU-26 here in Colorado. The a/c crashed killing the pilot at an airshow in Telluride, CO a few years ago. The seat was not deployed. I understand Fire and Police needed to treat the wreckage as a haz-mat because of the unexploded ordinance. I was not there but was asked by insurance investigators to view the video with Boris Rakitin (sp?) directly from Sukhoi Design Bureau to add any insight I might have had. I had heard, as Jill states, it was a $30,000 add-on. I had also heard that a canopy-less SU-29 was flown at OSH and a dummy ejected some years ago - any truth to that? Rick b -----Original Message----- >From: Jill Gernetzke >Sent: Jul 7, 2006 8:15 AM >To: Yak-List Digest List >Subject: Yak-List: Ejection Seats > >--> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke > >Group, > >We have been approached in the past to become dealers/representatives >for the Zvezda ejection seats for the Yak 52. There was mention of >bringing one to Oshkosh, also. The cost at the time was in the range >of $30,000 - 35,000 USD. As I recall, there was a maintenance regime >that does not allow the owner to service the system.... more $$$. Our >biggest issue was that we did not think the level of customer support >we desired would be offered. Steve Kalmar of Eastern Block Aircraft >was a dealer on the west coast. I don't know if he is still making a >go of the ejection seats or not. The small market research I did >indicated that owners were not ready to open their wallets for this >installation. > >Jill Gernetzke >M-14P, Inc. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:48 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: Ejection Seats Following on from Jill's posting, we have installed three on new Su-31 airc raft. The additional price was US$25,000.=0A =0A As Jill says there is a service problem - they need an overhaul every 2 yea rs, and Zvesda first said they had to go back to Russia, and then wanted to charge a fortune to send someone.=0A =0A There was a guy in California - 'Hit The Silk' - selling them for a while, but he seems to have disappeared!=0A =0A In terms of demonstrating, there have been numerous demonstrations at air s hows with dummies, and also I have seen one live ejection in Russia. =0A =0A Richard Goode =0A =0A Richard Goode Aerobatics=0A Rhodds Farm=0A Lyonshall=0A Herefordshire=0A HR5 3LW=0A United Kingdom=0A =0A Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120=0A Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389=0A Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129=0A www.russianaeros.com=0A =0A --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --=0A This message has been scanned for viruses and=0A dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com=0A MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.=0A --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:15 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ejection Seats To use or not to use. Ejection or extraction seats to me are a more viable though expensive safety device than the stuff we sit on now. To use one or not use one depends, I think, on ones experiences. I first made a parachute jump in 1963 (all round chutes then) when a skydiver's chute opened while still standing on the step of the Cessna 180 I was flying part time for a club. Fortunately the chute went under the stabilizer and led to her rather spectacular disappearance from the step. At that point I started wearing a chute and the club jump master suggested I learn how to use it. He was hoping for a 'convert' but I just needed to know how it worked. 7 jumps later, I had it down pat. Believe me guys it don't take a 'rocket scientist' to jump from airplane BUT I did learn what to expect. Jump forward 10 years. I was flying my Pitts when I got smoke (A LOT OF SMOKE) in the cockpit when an oil line from the inverted oil system broke loose from a bracket and got next to the exhaust pipe, and burned though. I remember at the time thinking very clearly "One flicker of flame and I'm out of here" (yes I was wearing a chute). With that option in hand, I was able to concentrate on the problem at hand. Because of my experience with packing and jumping my own chute, I had (still do) no qualms about stepping over the side, in a given situation. And that is the crust. The chutes we sit on now have a limited operational envelope. Stepping out at 200' is not an option and since we are (at least me) is often in formation and sometimes below 1,000' at airshow, this isn't even time enough. It is not the chute opening -- it is getting out of the doomed airplane. How many of us practice getting out of our airplane -- normally -- still wearing our chutes? Add to this the slip stream and aircraft gyrations, it becomes an argument on who's kidding who. Maybe you have a chance and maybe you don't. If you wear a chute, you must know what its limits are. You than must - AHEAD OF TIME - plan on when you will use it. At night over mountains (something that crossed my mind just a month ago), or impossible terrain, fire, structural failure, or collision at altitude. You need to dictate to your self this is the limited on why, when and where you will use the chute. You need this same "comitment" about extraction system too. The nice thing about the extraction chute (and ejection seats) is that they open the envelope a whole lot wider and thus add safety. If the price of these systums were in the $5,000 bracket (impossible?) I'd have one in a heart beat. Not that they aren't worth the money they are asking now, BUT you're talking to a retired airline pilot who just lost 60% of his retirement. Se-la-vie Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:46 AM PST US From: "Russ aka Duncan" Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Intercomm Having been in the backseat of a 52 for many hours there is a set of volume controls for just the backseat, also there are two channels for the intercom (toggle switches) that should both in the same position in the front and back. DeBear, Did I miss anything? Russ Russ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:20 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Intercomm Yes, that is correct. There IS an impedance issue that affects audio levels as does some of the active noise canceling headsets. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: black seven To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 7:40 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Intercomm Do you have the original radio? I have the same problem you've described, but have been told by several different radio people that there is an impedence issue between the Russian equip. and American. I'm using a Garmin GPS Com. in the front. PHCarter@aol.com wrote: The volume of the radio and intercom in the rear cockpit has gotten too low to hear in flight. The volume of the front cockpit for both radio and intercom is just fine and adjusts well in both volume and squelch. I don't think it is the rear headset, but still doing test to make sure. Are there any adjustments or classic problems with the intercom that anyone can tell me about? Preston, N6209F Check 6! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1=A2/min. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:37 PM PST US From: "Keith Harbour" Subject: Yak-List: Test ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:16 PM PST US From: "Jim Selby" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Test Test ok ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Harbour To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: Yak-List: Test ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:20 PM PST US From: Ronald Kalemba Subject: Re: Yak-List: MTW/OSH Herb, Do you have a list of hotels in MTW where most folks are staying? $$ and phone #'s would be helpful. Thanks, Ron Kalemba ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:52 PM PST US From: Ronald Kalemba Subject: Yak-List: CJ-6 FOR SALE YAKKERS; My CJ-6 is "FOR SALE" Year 1981, TT 1950 hrs., 285hp 225hrs. 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