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1. 04:31 AM - Re: Hot Magnetos (cjpilot710@aol.com)
2. 04:43 AM - Re: Hot Magnetos (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 05:50 AM - Re: Hot Magnetos (Roger Kemp)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: Dubious Award - Rust Bucket (David McGirt)
5. 06:42 AM - Oil Temp Gauge CJ6A (PSalter@aol.com)
6. 07:52 AM - Re: Oil Temp Gauge CJ6A (Jim)
7. 08:27 AM - 2 things. oops 3 things (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 08:39 AM - Re: Oil Temp Gauge CJ6A (Walter Lannon)
9. 09:40 AM - Re: 2 things. oops 3 things (Herb Coussons)
10. 12:22 PM - Re: Hot Magnetos (tamara_b@telus.net)
11. 02:33 PM - engine failure (Terry Lewis)
12. 02:57 PM - Re: engine failure (ByronMFox@aol.com)
13. 03:49 PM - Re: engine failure (doug sapp)
14. 05:25 PM - Re: engine failure (Terry Lewis)
15. 05:56 PM - Re: engine failure (Lance Robb)
16. 06:13 PM - Re: engine failure (jon blake)
17. 06:39 PM - Re: engine failure (Stephen Fox)
18. 07:50 PM - Re: engine failure (Roger Kemp)
19. 08:28 PM - yak list (Flying For Jesus)
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| Subject: | Re: Hot Magnetos |
Funny I've never considered the temperature of the mags before. I think
that because of conduction anything on the engine wound be heated likewise.
This however sounds like a reasonable temperature to me.
Some one wish to elucidate further?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Gentlemen,
with my last annual a couple of weeks ago
I had to replace both of my magnetos on my CJ.
After a few test flights I measured the surface
temperature of the distributor cap covers, it showed
on average 150 degrees centigrade.
Now here comes my question: Is that kind of high
temperature normal, and if yes what could be the
cause of such unusual peaks?
Thank you in advance for your much appreciated help.
Cheers
Elmar (C-FTKL)
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| Subject: | Re: Hot Magnetos |
I am curious as to how you determined you had to replace both magnetos?
What were the problems or symptoms you were experiencing with your
engine?
Dennis
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From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Hot Magnetos
Funny I've never considered the temperature of the mags before. I
think that because of conduction anything on the engine wound be heated
likewise. This however sounds like a reasonable temperature to me.
Some one wish to elucidate further?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Gentlemen,
with my last annual a couple of weeks ago
I had to replace both of my magnetos on my CJ.
After a few test flights I measured the surface
temperature of the distributor cap covers, it showed
on average 150 degrees centigrade.
Now here comes my question: Is that kind of high
temperature normal, and if yes what could be the
cause of such unusual peaks?
Thank you in advance for your much appreciated help.
Cheers
Elmar (C-FTKL)
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| Subject: | Re: Hot Magnetos |
Pappy/Elmar,
I think conduction is a reasonable conclusion. Considering when I have measured
my cylinder head temps on all 9 with a laser thermal probe, it has averaged 220
'ish for 9 thru 3 and 190 'ish for 4 thru 8. That heat is going to go somewhere
both by conduction, convection, and radiation. Like Pappy, I feel that is
probably a reasonable temp for the mags.
Doc
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Sent: 7/12/2006 6:44:10 AM
Funny I've never considered the temperature of the mags before. I think that because
of conduction anything on the engine wound be heated likewise. This however
sounds like a reasonable temperature to me.
Some one wish to elucidate further?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Gentlemen,
with my last annual a couple of weeks ago
I had to replace both of my magnetos on my CJ.
After a few test flights I measured the surface
temperature of the distributor cap covers, it showed
on average 150 degrees centigrade.
Now here comes my question: Is that kind of high
temperature normal, and if yes what could be the
cause of such unusual peaks?
Thank you in advance for your much appreciated help.
Cheers
Elmar (C-FTKL)
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| Subject: | Dubious Award - Rust Bucket |
"do most of my flying in the Mojave Desert"
Now, how does that differ from the 95% humidity of the south? :-)
Good information though, I think I finally have the system cleaned out from
all the crap that was in it, I will be pulling the uplocks this weekend, and
we shall see.
David
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Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:40 PM
I used marine grease in my pneumatic system components when I restored my
52. That was back in 2000-2001 time frame. Not too long ago I pulled an
uplock and it looked new.
Caveat.......I do most of my flying in the Mojave Desert.
Frank
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| Subject: | Oil Temp Gauge CJ6A |
My oil temp gauge is pegging when I have the switch in the upper position.
My guess is a broken wire at a cannon plug. Any advice on the proper use of the
switch(temps and when to use) and the cure for the maxed out gauge?
I have scanned the manuals for information relating to the oil temp gauge
and have found nothing.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Temp Gauge CJ6A |
your right it will be a wire at the cannon plug end at the engine
probably.
jim
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From: PSalter@aol.com
To: Yak-List@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:41 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Oil Temp Gauge CJ6A
My oil temp gauge is pegging when I have the switch in the upper
position. My guess is a broken wire at a cannon plug. Any advice on the
proper use of the switch(temps and when to use) and the cure for the
maxed out gauge?
I have scanned the manuals for information relating to the oil temp
gauge and have found nothing.
Phil
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| Subject: | 2 things. oops 3 things |
Troops,
First.
We are all invited to a party over at Bossler's hangar ( on the north side
of the field ) on Tuesday the 25th at OSH. It is supposed to start at about
1930 hours until - who knows. I need an proximately head count. I plan on
being there.
Second.
The RPA's newsletter - now magazine - went to the printers and should be
mailed Friday. All of us are looking forward to your comments. That great
Canadian publisher and skin head, Dan (AKA fougapilot) has worked quite hard on
the layout. You can throw all your tomatoes and other unused salads at him.
He is part French after all. The rest of us staff provide all the good
parts.
Third.
Received the OSH Monday (24th) show arrival plan. Very much like last year.
We will need to rendezvous at MTW in the early morning, to brief the plan
and formation. We will sortie from MTW, fly the arrival and land. After the
show, those of us who are flying to MTW for Roger's memorial dinner, will
launch for the return trip. Since OSH closes for the night at 2000 (?) those
with airplanes must plan to stay the night ( me for one ) and sortie back to
OSH in the morning. If you plan to go by car plan a good 1 1/2 hour drive, one
way.
I understand that MTW's main runway maybe OS for paving. Be advised.
MY personal plans call for leaving Peoria (SPI), IL airshow on Sunday (23
rd) morning and going to MTW. Sortie out of MTW for the show. Leave MTW
morning of the 25th and stay in OSH the rest of the week. Would be happy to have
the company.
I believe we're in for another good year of friendships and flying. What
the gas prices do to this is something to watch. BTW the EAAWB has said that
high/low altitudes will be rotated amongst the WB groups. IOW we may get the
low altitudes where WE BETTER LOOK REAL SHARP.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Temp Gauge CJ6A |
Phil;
Either a broken wire at the probe end connector or an open circuit in
the probe. That is the oil out probe. The oil out temp. is not normally
monitored in Western engine installations. It is monitored during engine
test cell run after overhaul. You should normally see about a 30 deg.C
increase over the oil in temp. Max allowable oil out is 125 degs. C but
you would rarely see it that high with the Huosai.
Walt
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From: PSalter@aol.com
To: Yak-List@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:41 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Oil Temp Gauge CJ6A
My oil temp gauge is pegging when I have the switch in the upper
position. My guess is a broken wire at a cannon plug. Any advice on the
proper use of the switch(temps and when to use) and the cure for the
maxed out gauge?
I have scanned the manuals for information relating to the oil temp
gauge and have found nothing.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: 2 things. oops 3 things |
Thanks for the schedule update -
There will be fewer people arriving on 7-21 and 7-22 than in years
past. The cookout for everyone in MTW on Saturday 7-22 will be low
key to provide a meal for the guys there already.
There is a larger contingent staying in OSH or transitioning to OSH
by mid week this year. Look for the RV in the warbird area for a
gathering/briefing location. THis worked well last year and will
provide a gathering place for OSH.
Sergei will fly with those interested out of MTW. If you want to fly
with Sergei (I have 6 so far - room for 8-10) email me directly if
you need a certain time during the week. He will be there afternoon
7-24 until morning 7-28. For those who don't know OSH to MTW is
15-20 min in the air. Total trip depends on ground time in OSH.
So far I have about 35 people registered. About 24 planes - and 20
FAST pilots (a few studs and non-formation airshow folks.) In the
past there are about 5-10 guys that do not register. If we have 25+
planes this will be a good showing for the mass formation. And if we
have 35 Yaks/CJs on the ground at OSH that will be impressive.
See you all soon.
REMEMBER - email direct if you have a desired day and time for
Sergei - drc@wscare.com
Herb
On Jul 12, 2006, at 10:26 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> Troops,
>
> First.
>
> We are all invited to a party over at Bossler's hangar ( on the
> north side of the field ) on Tuesday the 25th at OSH. It is
> supposed to start at about 1930 hours until - who knows. I need an
> proximately head count. I plan on being there.
>
> Second.
>
> The RPA's newsletter - now magazine - went to the printers and
> should be mailed Friday. All of us are looking forward to your
> comments. That great Canadian publisher and skin head, Dan (AKA
> fougapilot) has worked quite hard on the layout. You can throw all
> your tomatoes and other unused salads at him. He is part French
> after all. The rest of us staff provide all the good parts.
>
> Third.
>
> Received the OSH Monday (24th) show arrival plan. Very much like
> last year. We will need to rendezvous at MTW in the early morning,
> to brief the plan and formation. We will sortie from MTW, fly the
> arrival and land. After the show, those of us who are flying to
> MTW for Roger's memorial dinner, will launch for the return trip.
> Since OSH closes for the night at 2000 (?) those with airplanes
> must plan to stay the night ( me for one ) and sortie back to OSH
> in the morning. If you plan to go by car plan a good 1 1/2 hour
> drive, one way.
>
> I understand that MTW's main runway maybe OS for paving. Be advised.
>
> MY personal plans call for leaving Peoria (SPI), IL airshow on
> Sunday (23 rd) morning and going to MTW. Sortie out of MTW for the
> show. Leave MTW morning of the 25th and stay in OSH the rest of
> the week. Would be happy to have the company.
>
> I believe we're in for another good year of friendships and
> flying. What the gas prices do to this is something to watch. BTW
> the EAAWB has said that high/low altitudes will be rotated amongst
> the WB groups. IOW we may get the low altitudes where WE BETTER
> LOOK REAL SHARP.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Hot Magnetos |
--> Yak-List message posted by: tamara_b@telus.net
The bearing under the rotor of my left magneto
had that much play, that the rotor actually came
in contact with the distributor cap and damaged it.
My right magneto had almost no pre-ignition angle,
the flyweights were seized up.
The engine has 400 hours since overhaul and
1000 hours since new, so I was wondering what
the cause for the premature magneto wear-outs
could have been.
Thank you again for your valuable input.
cheers
Elmar (C-FTKL)
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The NTSB reports that a CJ 6A had an engine failure near the Brewster
airport in Washington on 07/02/06. The pilot reported no injuries
however the aircraft wasn't so lucky.
I was hoping someone would know which engine was in the plane and what
caused the failure.
Terry Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: engine failure |
Doug, tell the man.......
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Dam it's hard to keep that cat in the bag!!
Yep it was me, failure of prop or crank shaft or gears causing a total
disconnect between prop and engine, prop just windmills, parked it in the
apple trees 150 ft from the end of the active. Will dissemble next week
and do a full report on the list about what I find.
Always Yakin, (sometimes prayin),
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:32 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: engine failure
The NTSB reports that a CJ 6A had an engine failure near the Brewster
airport in Washington on 07/02/06. The pilot reported no injuries however
the aircraft wasn't so lucky.
I was hoping someone would know which engine was in the plane and what
caused the failure.
Terry Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: engine failure |
Nice job Doug!
The report said you saw 4000 rpm on the prop. That gives me a lot more
confidence in the hub.
Anyway , Glad you were not hurt.
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: doug sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: engine failure
Dam it's hard to keep that cat in the bag!!
Yep it was me, failure of prop or crank shaft or gears causing a total
disconnect between prop and engine, prop just windmills, parked it in
the apple trees 150 ft from the end of the active. Will dissemble next
week and do a full report on the list about what I find.
Always Yakin, (sometimes prayin),
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:32 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: engine failure
The NTSB reports that a CJ 6A had an engine failure near the
Brewster airport in Washington on 07/02/06. The pilot reported no
injuries however the aircraft wasn't so lucky.
I was hoping someone would know which engine was in the plane and
what caused the failure.
Terry Lewis
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Hi Doug,
Which engine was it, the M14P or the Husai?
Regards,
Lance Robb
North Queensland Warbirds
Australia
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Thursday, 13 July 2006 8:46 AM
Dam it's hard to keep that cat in the bag!!
Yep it was me, failure of prop or crank shaft or gears causing a total
disconnect between prop and engine, prop just windmills, parked it in the
apple trees 150 ft from the end of the active. Will dissemble next week
and do a full report on the list about what I find.
Always Yakin, (sometimes prayin),
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:32 PM
The NTSB reports that a CJ 6A had an engine failure near the Brewster
airport in Washington on 07/02/06. The pilot reported no injuries however
the aircraft wasn't so lucky.
I was hoping someone would know which engine was in the plane and what
caused the failure.
Terry Lewis
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Doug - glad you are OK. As I recently learned, the CJ is a really thick
skinned airplane. Thanks for all that you've helped me with on my own
airplane - let me know if I can in anyway assist. Keep yakin!!
Respectfully,
Jon Blake
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:46 PM
Dam it's hard to keep that cat in the bag!!
Yep it was me, failure of prop or crank shaft or gears causing a total
disconnect between prop and engine, prop just windmills, parked it in
the apple trees 150 ft from the end of the active. Will dissemble next
week and do a full report on the list about what I find.
Always Yakin, (sometimes prayin),
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:32 PM
The NTSB reports that a CJ 6A had an engine failure near the Brewster
airport in Washington on 07/02/06. The pilot reported no injuries
however the aircraft wasn't so lucky.
I was hoping someone would know which engine was in the plane and what
caused the failure.
Terry Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: engine failure |
Doug-
Most important part of all this. You are safe.
Steve
On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:46 PM, doug sapp wrote:
> Dam it's hard to keep that cat in the bag!!
>
> Yep it was me, failure of prop or crank shaft or gears causing a
> total disconnect between prop and engine, prop just windmills,
> parked it in the apple trees 150 ft from the end of the active.
> Will dissemble next week and do a full report on the list about
> what I find.
>
> Always Yakin, (sometimes prayin),
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-
> server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Lewis
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:32 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: engine failure
>
> The NTSB reports that a CJ 6A had an engine failure near the
> Brewster airport in Washington on 07/02/06. The pilot reported no
> injuries however the aircraft wasn't so lucky.
> I was hoping someone would know which engine was in the plane and
> what caused the failure.
> Terry Lewis
>
>
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Doug,
Where did the engine come from? Glad to know you are ok. Us old goats do not bounce
to well you know?
Doc
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 7/12/2006 8:10:48 PM
Hi Doug,
Which engine was it, the M14P or the Husai?
Regards,
Lance Robb
North Queensland Warbirds
Australia
Sent: Thursday, 13 July 2006 8:46 AM
Dam it's hard to keep that cat in the bag!!
Yep it was me, failure of prop or crank shaft or gears causing a total disconnect
between prop and engine, prop just windmills, parked it in the apple trees
150 ft from the end of the active. Will dissemble next week and do a full report
on the list about what I find.
Always Yakin, (sometimes prayin),
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:32 PM
The NTSB reports that a CJ 6A had an engine failure near the Brewster airport in
Washington on 07/02/06. The pilot reported no injuries however the aircraft
wasn't so lucky.
I was hoping someone would know which engine was in the plane and what caused the
failure.
Terry Lewis
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