---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/13/06: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:42 AM - Re: engine failure (A. Dennis Savarese) 2. 08:37 AM - Re: 2 things. oops 3 things (Jay Land) 3. 09:04 AM - Re: 2 things. oops 3 things (cjpilot710@aol.com) 4. 09:19 AM - Re: 2 things. oops 3 things (Jay Land) 5. 09:40 AM - Cable Tensions? (Larry Pine) 6. 03:32 PM - Re: 2 things. oops 3 things (doug sapp) 7. 05:06 PM - MTW/OSH (forrest johnson) 8. 05:20 PM - parts (cjpilot710@aol.com) 9. 05:29 PM - OSH/MTW (forrest johnson) 10. 06:30 PM - Re: OSH/MTW (cjpilot710@aol.com) 11. 07:25 PM - Re: OSH/MTW (cjpilot710@aol.com) 12. 07:25 PM - Re: OSH/MTW (doug sapp) 13. 07:35 PM - Re: OSH/MTW (cjpilot710@aol.com) 14. 07:36 PM - Re: parts (doug sapp) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:40 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine failure Doug, I concur with Steve Fox and all the rest of the gang. I am very thankful you are OK. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Fox To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine failure Doug- Most important part of all this. You are safe. Steve On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:46 PM, doug sapp wrote: Dam it's hard to keep that cat in the bag!! Yep it was me, failure of prop or crank shaft or gears causing a total disconnect between prop and engine, prop just windmills, parked it in the apple trees 150 ft from the end of the active. Will dissemble next week and do a full report on the list about what I find. Always Yakin, (sometimes prayin), Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Lewis Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:32 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: engine failure The NTSB reports that a CJ 6A had an engine failure near the Brewster airport in Washington on 07/02/06. The pilot reported no injuries however the aircraft wasn't so lucky. I was hoping someone would know which engine was in the plane and what caused the failure. Terry Lewis ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:26 AM PST US From: Jay Land Subject: Re: Yak-List: 2 things. oops 3 things Pappy, Does this mean we will not have the usual formation practices out of MTW this year? Jay Troops, First. We are all invited to a party over at Bossler's hangar ( on the north side of the field ) on Tuesday the 25th at OSH. It is supposed to start at about 1930 hours until - who knows. I need an proximately head count. I plan on being there. Second. The RPA's newsletter - now magazine - went to the printers and should be mailed Friday. All of us are looking forward to your comments. That great Canadian publisher and skin head, Dan (AKA fougapilot) has worked quite hard on the layout. You can throw all your tomatoes and other unused salads at him. He is part French after all. The rest of us staff provide all the good parts. Third. Received the OSH Monday (24th) show arrival plan. Very much like last year. We will need to rendezvous at MTW in the early morning, to brief the plan and formation. We will sortie from MTW, fly the arrival and land. After the show, those of us who are flying to MTW for Roger's memorial dinner, will launch for the return trip. Since OSH closes for the night at 2000 (?) those with airplanes must plan to stay the night ( me for one ) and sortie back to OSH in the morning. If you plan to go by car plan a good 1 1/2 hour drive, one way. I understand that MTW's main runway maybe OS for paving. Be advised. MY personal plans call for leaving Peoria (SPI), IL airshow on Sunday (23 rd) morning and going to MTW. Sortie out of MTW for the show. Leave MTW morning of the 25th and stay in OSH the rest of the week. Would be happy to have the company. I believe we're in for another good year of friendships and flying. What the gas prices do to this is something to watch. BTW the EAAWB has said that high/low altitudes will be rotated amongst the WB groups. IOW we may get the low altitudes where WE BETTER LOOK REAL SHARP. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:21 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: 2 things. oops 3 things Jay, I guess not really. The main runway at MTW is suppose to be closed due resurfacing. Also about have half of the guys want to stay at OSH. This effectively split up the guys for practice anyway. For them to "commute" over from OSH for practice, will I believe I wouldn't able to get them to come and have something of a revolt if I than wouldn't let them fly in the show. More and more of the guys seem to want to stay at OSH. Also Herb is the guy in charge for the region and thus OSH. I understand that some acro pros will be showing up at MTW though. Looking forward for that. Pappy Pappy, Does this mean we will not have the usual formation practices out of MTW this year? Jay ____________________________________ Troops, First. We are all invited to a party over at Bossler's hangar ( on the north side of the field ) on Tuesday the 25th at OSH. It is supposed to start at about 1930 hours until - who knows. I need an proximately head count. I plan on being there. Second. The RPA's newsletter - now magazine - went to the printers and should be mailed Friday. All of us are looking forward to your comments. That great Canadian publisher and skin head, Dan (AKA fougapilot) has worked quite hard on the layout. You can throw all your tomatoes and other unused salads at him. He is part French after all. The rest of us staff provide all the good parts. Third. Received the OSH Monday (24th) show arrival plan. Very much like last year. We will need to rendezvous at MTW in the early morning, to brief the plan and formation. We will sortie from MTW, fly the arrival and land. After the show, those of us who are flying to MTW for Roger's memorial dinner, will launch for the return trip. Since OSH closes for the night at 2000 (?) those with airplanes must plan to stay the night ( me for one ) and sortie back to OSH in the morning. If you plan to go by car plan a good 1 1/2 hour drive, one way. I understand that MTW's main runway maybe OS for paving. Be advised. MY personal plans call for leaving Peoria (SPI), IL airshow on Sunday (23 rd) morning and going to MTW. Sortie out of MTW for the show. Leave MTW morning of the 25th and stay in OSH the rest of the week. Would be happy to have the company. I believe we're in for another good year of friendships and flying. What the gas prices do to this is something to watch. BTW the EAAWB has said that high/low altitudes will be rotated amongst the WB groups. IOW we may get the low altitudes where WE BETTER LOOK REAL SHARP. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:56 AM PST US From: Jay Land Subject: Re: Yak-List: 2 things. oops 3 things Roger that- save some room for Gabby and I at OSH! Jay, I guess not really. The main runway at MTW is suppose to be closed due resurfacing. Also about have half of the guys want to stay at OSH. This effectively split up the guys for practice anyway. For them to "commute" over from OSH for practice, will I believe I wouldn't able to get them to come and have something of a revolt if I than wouldn't let them fly in the show. More and more of the guys seem to want to stay at OSH. Also Herb is the guy in charge for the region and thus OSH. I understand that some acro pros will be showing up at MTW though. Looking forward for that. Pappy Pappy, Does this mean we will not have the usual formation practices out of MTW this year? Jay Troops, First. We are all invited to a party over at Bossler's hangar ( on the north side of the field ) on Tuesday the 25th at OSH. It is supposed to start at about 1930 hours until - who knows. I need an proximately head count. I plan on being there. Second. The RPA's newsletter - now magazine - went to the printers and should be mailed Friday. All of us are looking forward to your comments. That great Canadian publisher and skin head, Dan (AKA fougapilot) has worked quite hard on the layout. You can throw all your tomatoes and other unused salads at him. He is part French after all. The rest of us staff provide all the good parts. Third. Received the OSH Monday (24th) show arrival plan. Very much like last year. We will need to rendezvous at MTW in the early morning, to brief the plan and formation. We will sortie from MTW, fly the arrival and land. After the show, those of us who are flying to MTW for Roger's memorial dinner, will launch for the return trip. Since OSH closes for the night at 2000 (?) those with airplanes must plan to stay the night ( me for one ) and sortie back to OSH in the morning. If you plan to go by car plan a good 1 1/2 hour drive, one way. I understand that MTW's main runway maybe OS for paving. Be advised. MY personal plans call for leaving Peoria (SPI), IL airshow on Sunday (23 rd) morning and going to MTW. Sortie out of MTW for the show. Leave MTW morning of the 25th and stay in OSH the rest of the week. Would be happy to have the company. I believe we're in for another good year of friendships and flying. What the gas prices do to this is something to watch. BTW the EAAWB has said that high/low altitudes will be rotated amongst the WB groups. IOW we may get the low altitudes where WE BETTER LOOK REAL SHARP. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:45 AM PST US From: Larry Pine Subject: Yak-List: Cable Tensions? Great planes, lousy maintenance manuals! Can anyone share with me the correct cable tention numbers for Elevator, Rudder and Ailerons on a CJ? As always, thanks for the needed help! Larry N8181C Larry Pine --------------------------------- Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:48 PM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: 2 things. oops 3 things Jim, The flap valves got in yesterday, you still in need? Only received 6, 3 already gone, 3 remain in inventory......don't dally. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 8:26 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: 2 things. oops 3 things Troops, First. We are all invited to a party over at Bossler's hangar ( on the north side of the field ) on Tuesday the 25th at OSH. It is supposed to start at about 1930 hours until - who knows. I need an proximately head count. I plan on being there. Second. The RPA's newsletter - now magazine - went to the printers and should be mailed Friday. All of us are looking forward to your comments. That great Canadian publisher and skin head, Dan (AKA fougapilot) has worked quite hard on the layout. You can throw all your tomatoes and other unused salads at him. He is part French after all. The rest of us staff provide all the good parts. Third. Received the OSH Monday (24th) show arrival plan. Very much like last year. We will need to rendezvous at MTW in the early morning, to brief the plan and formation. We will sortie from MTW, fly the arrival and land. After the show, those of us who are flying to MTW for Roger's memorial dinner, will launch for the return trip. Since OSH closes for the night at 2000 (?) those with airplanes must plan to stay the night ( me for one ) and sortie back to OSH in the morning. If you plan to go by car plan a good 1 1/2 hour drive, one way. I understand that MTW's main runway maybe OS for paving. Be advised. MY personal plans call for leaving Peoria (SPI), IL airshow on Sunday (23 rd) morning and going to MTW. Sortie out of MTW for the show. Leave MTW morning of the 25th and stay in OSH the rest of the week. Would be happy to have the company. I believe we're in for another good year of friendships and flying. What the gas prices do to this is something to watch. BTW the EAAWB has said that high/low altitudes will be rotated amongst the WB groups. IOW we may get the low altitudes where WE BETTER LOOK REAL SHARP. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:11 PM PST US From: "forrest johnson" Subject: Yak-List: MTW/OSH I am a little disturbed to find out that a lot of the RPA folks are staying in OSH with out notifing the rest of us. Maybe. I missed some cmmunication about this, if so forgive me for quistioning the reasoning behind this. If the majority wanted to stay in OSH fine, But there should have some notification months ago. It is now to late to get rooms, this had to be done months ago. I have made plans for MTW for a full week and now find only about half are going to stay there. What about the logistics of practicing for the show from two places? I think a little more thought and communicitation should have been given to this. Thanks, Forrest ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:17 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: parts Oh great provider of parts. Do deliver unto me one flap valve. And I thank the gods you did for go injury in your moments of consternation, - due to the fact you are THE parts provider! :-) BTW did either of your ailerons or elevator make it unscathed?? Jim ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:52 PM PST US From: "forrest johnson" Subject: Yak-List: OSH/MTW In addition to my posting 5 min. ago look at Herb Cousins postinjg 5/25/06 which indicates everybody is staging from MTW. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:52 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: OSH/MTW Forrest, Not all the guys are staging out of OSH. I'm not up on who is staying where. Because of a number of meetings and such, I am having to stay at OSH part of the time. I know that a number of the RPA guys (6 that I knows of) are staying in OSH because they're sharing an RV or house near by. I believe Herb mentioned that some 25 airplanes have signed up. That a goodly number particularly IF we can get all of them airborne for the show. It is OK to stay over at MTW and commute each day to OSH for the briefing and show. A number of guys will (I do not know how many) will stay at MTW. Doing a lot of large formation work out of MTW may be a little difficult due to resurfacing (I've been told) of the main runway. They will be down to a one runway operation. The plan right now for Monday show where all the warbirds make a simultaneous arrival into OSH and simply land - is for RPA to stage out of MTW. Fly the show arrival and land at OSH. We will than fly back to MTW after the show ends (or MAYBE get airboss to let us out early) and watch Jurgis Kairys do his demonstration. Than its Roger's Memorial dinner that evening there. I WILL NOT MISS THAT. I erg all those who knew or flew with Roger to attended his memorial benefit dinner. It is for a educational fund in Roger's memory and very worthy of our support. Let Ashley know you're coming at ( _pilotashley@gmail.com_ (mailto:pilotashley@gmail.com) ). It's $100/ person at a first class place with a guest speaker who you will instantly recognize. He is amazing. The next day Tuesday we (me included) will fly to OSH for the briefing and fly the show. That evening (1930) we are invited (need a head count soon) to Baslers for a party. Those that need to get back to hotels in MTW need to leave before OSH closes for the evening (2000?). Me? I'm staying at OSH that night for : 1. I want to get drunk. 2. I have a personal meeting the next morning early. Since there no show to fly the next day Wednesday (I've been told) I may take in the exhibits or fly over to MTW, but I need to be back in OSH that evening. So I can't tell you where everyone is staying. Just that not everyone wants to stay at MTW. Leading pilots is not unlike trying heard cats but more like trying to load wild rabbits on a flat bed truck. Pappy In addition to my posting 5 min. ago look at Herb Cousins postinjg 5/25/06 which indicates everybody is staging from MTW ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:35 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: OSH/MTW Troops, This is the plan for the big Monday WB show arrival. This is the sortie and formation plan. All this can change. We will depart MTW so as to arrive at the holding point south of the 045 degree radial of OSH about 8 nm out. I want to arrive there about :10 before we are expected over show center. This will dictate our takeoff, taxi, engine start and briefing times. I will try to get an expected time in the next few days. We are expected by airboss to fly over head show center at a TOT, than tag on to the end of the SNJ/T-6 group who will be arriving from the south directly into a 360 over head. We are expected to latch on to their last flight and do like wise. The plan formation is simple and allows maximum maneuverability of flights. It will be called the "Bomber Spread". It is to simulate a WW2 bomber formation as we over head the show center. "We shall blacken the skies with our presents". Flights will be in 3's and arranged in a "V". Because of the runway width at MTW we will take off in elements of 2 than 1. On route we will fly in "V in trail" for maneuverability. On the run-in to show center the formation will go to "Bomber Spread" The second flight will move out to the lead flight's (L or R) while the third flight moves to the opposite side. They will take up the normal bearing line but will double the space between. The third flight will dress off the second flight. The forth flight will stay in trail with lead but will move up to dress off the second and third flights. Following flights will do the same in order. Once pass the show center, at the call for flights into trail, we will commence a turn so the flights can use turn radius to fall into trail position. After locking on to 'tail end Charlie' of the T-6/SNJ guys, we'll go to echelons for the pitch and landings. Right now that is planned for runway 36. There are back up plans to use the 9/27 runway. Now lets see if this all works! :) Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:53 PM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: OSH/MTW Pappy, Since my plans for OSH have been scrambled to say the least, please do me a big favor and add a C note to the the fund for me. I'll put my check in with your valve to pay you back. Hoist a pint to Roger from us west coasters who could not make the memorial. Best to all, keep safe. Doug and Kathleen Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 6:29 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: OSH/MTW Forrest, Not all the guys are staging out of OSH. I'm not up on who is staying where. Because of a number of meetings and such, I am having to stay at OSH part of the time. I know that a number of the RPA guys (6 that I knows of) are staying in OSH because they're sharing an RV or house near by. I believe Herb mentioned that some 25 airplanes have signed up. That a goodly number particularly IF we can get all of them airborne for the show. It is OK to stay over at MTW and commute each day to OSH for the briefing and show. A number of guys will (I do not know how many) will stay at MTW. Doing a lot of large formation work out of MTW may be a little difficult due to resurfacing (I've been told) of the main runway. They will be down to a one runway operation. The plan right now for Monday show where all the warbirds make a simultaneous arrival into OSH and simply land - is for RPA to stage out of MTW. Fly the show arrival and land at OSH. We will than fly back to MTW after the show ends (or MAYBE get airboss to let us out early) and watch Jurgis Kairys do his demonstration. Than its Roger's Memorial dinner that evening there. I WILL NOT MISS THAT. I erg all those who knew or flew with Roger to attended his memorial benefit dinner. It is for a educational fund in Roger's memory and very worthy of our support. Let Ashley know you're coming at ( pilotashley@gmail.com ). It's $100/ person at a first class place with a guest speaker who you will instantly recognize. He is amazing. The next day Tuesday we (me included) will fly to OSH for the briefing and fly the show. That evening (1930) we are invited (need a head count soon) to Baslers for a party. Those that need to get back to hotels in MTW need to leave before OSH closes for the evening (2000?). Me? I'm staying at OSH that night for : 1. I want to get drunk. 2. I have a personal meeting the next morning early. Since there no show to fly the next day Wednesday (I've been told) I may take in the exhibits or fly over to MTW, but I need to be back in OSH that evening. So I can't tell you where everyone is staying. Just that not everyone wants to stay at MTW. Leading pilots is not unlike trying heard cats but more like trying to load wild rabbits on a flat bed truck. Pappy In addition to my posting 5 min. ago look at Herb Cousins postinjg 5/25/06 which indicates everybody is staging from MTW ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:34 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: OSH/MTW Roger and WILCO. :) Pappy, Since my plans for OSH have been scrambled to say the least, please do me a big favor and add a C note to the the fund for me. I'll put my check in with your valve to pay you back. Hoist a pint to Roger from us west coasters who could not make the memorial. Best to all, keep safe. Doug and Kathleen Sapp ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:53 PM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: parts I have both in stock if they did not. Will check them closely on Monday. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 5:17 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: parts Oh great provider of parts. Do deliver unto me one flap valve. And I thank the gods you did for go injury in your moments of consternation, - due to the fact you are THE parts provider! :-) BTW did either of your ailerons or elevator make it unscathed?? Jim