---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/14/06: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:33 AM - Re: OSH/MTW (forrest johnson) 2. 09:41 AM - Re: Slow leak in Main Air Tank -52 (N7092A@aol.com) 3. 10:39 AM - Overhaul Manual for Housai engine needed (tamara_b@telus.net) 4. 11:05 AM - smoke system (Kelley Monroe) 5. 11:05 AM - Re: Overhaul Manual for Housai engine needed (doug sapp) 6. 01:09 PM - Re: engine failure (Lance Robb) 7. 01:16 PM - Re: smoke system (Stephen Fox) 8. 01:36 PM - Stainless Exhaust (David McGirt) 9. 01:55 PM - Re: Stainless Exhaust (Stephen Fox) 10. 02:04 PM - Re: Stainless Exhaust (Kelley Monroe) 11. 02:35 PM - Re: Stainless Exhaust (David McGirt) 12. 03:51 PM - Re: OSH/MTW (cjpilot710@aol.com) 13. 03:56 PM - Re: Stainless Exhaust (doug sapp) 14. 04:27 PM - Re: Stainless Exhaust (david@mcgirt.net) 15. 05:05 PM - Re: engine failure (doug sapp) 16. 05:05 PM - OSH/MTW Schedule (cjpilot710@aol.com) 17. 05:15 PM - Re: Stainless Exhaust (cjpilot710@aol.com) 18. 06:41 PM - Oil Confusion (tamara_b@telus.net) 19. 08:12 PM - Re: OSH: couple-3 things (Bob Fitzpatrick) 20. 08:14 PM - Re: Oil Confusion (A. Dennis Savarese) 21. 09:18 PM - Re: Oil Confusion (cjpilot710@aol.com) 22. 09:22 PM - Re: OSH: couple-3 things (cjpilot710@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:55 AM PST US From: "forrest johnson" Subject: Re: Yak-List: OSH/MTW Thanks for the info. Sorry for asking, I should have known there was a well thought out plan. See you in MTW. ----- Original Message ----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: OSH/MTW Forrest, Not all the guys are staging out of OSH. I'm not up on who is staying where. Because of a number of meetings and such, I am having to stay at OSH part of the time. I know that a number of the RPA guys (6 that I knows of) are staying in OSH because they're sharing an RV or house near by. I believe Herb mentioned that some 25 airplanes have signed up. That a goodly number particularly IF we can get all of them airborne for the show. It is OK to stay over at MTW and commute each day to OSH for the briefing and show. A number of guys will (I do not know how many) will stay at MTW. Doing a lot of large formation work out of MTW may be a little difficult due to resurfacing (I've been told) of the main runway. They will be down to a one runway operation. The plan right now for Monday show where all the warbirds make a simultaneous arrival into OSH and simply land - is for RPA to stage out of MTW. Fly the show arrival and land at OSH. We will than fly back to MTW after the show ends (or MAYBE get airboss to let us out early) and watch Jurgis Kairys do his demonstration. Than its Roger's Memorial dinner that evening there. I WILL NOT MISS THAT. I erg all those who knew or flew with Roger to attended his memorial benefit dinner. It is for a educational fund in Roger's memory and very worthy of our support. Let Ashley know you're coming at ( pilotashley@gmail.com ). It's $100/ person at a first class place with a guest speaker who you will instantly recognize. He is amazing. The next day Tuesday we (me included) will fly to OSH for the briefing and fly the show. That evening (1930) we are invited (need a head count soon) to Baslers for a party. Those that need to get back to hotels in MTW need to leave before OSH closes for the evening (2000?). Me? I'm staying at OSH that night for : 1. I want to get drunk. 2. I have a personal meeting the next morning early. Since there no show to fly the next day Wednesday (I've been told) I may take in the exhibits or fly over to MTW, but I need to be back in OSH that evening. So I can't tell you where everyone is staying. Just that not everyone wants to stay at MTW. Leading pilots is not unlike trying heard cats but more like trying to load wild rabbits on a flat bed truck. Pappy In addition to my posting 5 min. ago look at Herb Cousins postinjg 5/25/06 which indicates everybody is staging from MTW ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:28 AM PST US From: N7092A@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Slow leak in Main Air Tank -52 Thanks Dennis, We are looking at it this weekend. I will let you know. Mark In a message dated 7/10/2006 5:52:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dsavarese@elmore.rr.com writes: Remove and replace the check valve on the firewall at the cross (+) where the pop off valve is located. If you are looking at the cross, the pop off valve is on the top, the air filter is on the bottom. The check valve on the right side goes to the snot bottle. The check valve on the left goes to the external air fill port. Replacing the check valve on the left, or you may be able to clean the crud out of it to make it seal properly, will definitely fix this problem. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:15 PM OK guys here's the problem we just started experiencing. The main air tank has a slow leak that will take 2 - 3 days to drain completely. We are pretty sure it is leaking out of the valve that is between the fill port on the side and the main tank. When I put my thumb over the port opening I can feel it begin to build pressure and leak out. The real tell tale is that when I take the cover off of the port on the side it is pressurized and "pop's off". The emergency air tank has no leaks at all and holds pressure just fine. We have flown it with the leak and the tank fills right up and it fly's fine. It seems we had this problem before but it worked itself out on it's own. Anybody seen this on theirs? Yak-52 1983 PAO Mark Merrill ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:43 AM PST US From: tamara_b@telus.net Subject: Yak-List: Overhaul Manual for Housai engine needed --> Yak-List message posted by: tamara_b@telus.net does anybody have a overhaul manual for the 285 hp Housai-6A engine for sale? Please contact me off list. Regards Elmar (C-FTKL) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:16 AM PST US From: "Kelley Monroe" Subject: Yak-List: smoke system A friend of mine wants to install at smoke system and doesn't know where to drill the hole in the exhaust system. Any thoughts? Thanks Kelley ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:20 AM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Overhaul Manual for Housai engine needed --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" Elmar, I really don't think they exist except in the military overhaul facility in China. I have been trying to find a set for 5 years now and have offered all my vendors $2,000.00 for a set, with no joy yet. The only engine manual out there is the "Maintenance and Service Instructions for Aero engine Huosai-6A" It is a great maintenance and service type manual, but is not a overhaul manual. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of tamara_b@telus.net Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:39 AM --> Yak-List message posted by: tamara_b@telus.net does anybody have a overhaul manual for the 285 hp Housai-6A engine for sale? Please contact me off list. Regards Elmar (C-FTKL) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:30 PM PST US From: "Lance Robb" Subject: RE: Yak-List: engine failure Hey Doug, I missed your reply. Do you have the Russian or Chinese engine in your CJ? Regards, Lance Robb NQ Warbirds Aust _____ [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp Sent: Thursday, 13 July 2006 8:46 AM Dam it's hard to keep that cat in the bag!! Yep it was me, failure of prop or crank shaft or gears causing a total disconnect between prop and engine, prop just windmills, parked it in the apple trees 150 ft from the end of the active. Will dissemble next week and do a full report on the list about what I find. Always Yakin, (sometimes prayin), Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Lewis Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:32 PM The NTSB reports that a CJ 6A had an engine failure near the Brewster airport in Washington on 07/02/06. The pilot reported no injuries however the aircraft wasn't so lucky. I was hoping someone would know which engine was in the plane and what caused the failure. Terry Lewis -- No virus found in this incoming message. -- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:06 PM PST US From: Stephen Fox Subject: Re: Yak-List: smoke system On Jul 14, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Kelley Monroe wrote: > A friend of mine wants to install at smoke system and doesn't know > where to drill the hole in the exhaust system. Any thoughts? > Thanks Kelley > Kelley - I originally installed mine right side above heat muff. Bad idea. I was getting smoke through the vent. I have since installed new Exhaust Tech stainless exhaust system on my 52 and kept on right side but just below the heat muff and it works great. For smoke system contact John at Smoking Airplanes - http:// smokingairplanes.com. If your friend is a member of RPA they'll get $50 off a system. Steve Fox ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:34 PM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: Yak-List: Stainless Exhaust Steve, I notice you mentioned you have a stainless exhaust system, what are the benefits? Why would one change? Sorry if this is been covered 100 times, just too lazy to check the archives from my blackberry.. :-) David _____ [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:16 PM On Jul 14, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Kelley Monroe wrote: A friend of mine wants to install at smoke system and doesn't know where to drill the hole in the exhaust system. Any thoughts? Thanks Kelley Kelley - I originally installed mine right side above heat muff. Bad idea. I was getting smoke through the vent. I have since installed new Exhaust Tech stainless exhaust system on my 52 and kept on right side but just below the heat muff and it works great. For smoke system contact John at Smoking Airplanes - http://smokingairplanes.com. If your friend is a member of RPA they'll get $50 off a system. Steve Fox ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:47 PM PST US From: Stephen Fox Subject: Re: Yak-List: Stainless Exhaust David No problem, hasn't been covered at all. Changed cause mine was shot, clamps and joints were in bad shape and getting exhaust leaks so I was going to make the change. Then I had a minor on the ground incident with a Seneca and the tips got mashed. So the switch was further required. This new exhaust is fantastic, all the joints are slip joints so no clamps everything is a bit tighter and my exhaust leak is gone. Steve On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:35 PM, David McGirt wrote: > Steve, > > > I notice you mentioned you have a stainless exhaust system, what > are the benefits? Why would one change? > > > Sorry if this is been covered 100 times, just too lazy to check the > archives from my blackberry.. J > > > David > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:16 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: smoke system > > > On Jul 14, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Kelley Monroe wrote: > > > A friend of mine wants to install at smoke system and doesn't know > where to drill the hole in the exhaust system. Any thoughts? Thanks > Kelley > > > Kelley - > > > I originally installed mine right side above heat muff. Bad idea. I > was getting smoke through the vent. I have since installed new > Exhaust Tech stainless exhaust system on my 52 and kept on right > side but just below the heat muff and it works great. > > > For smoke system contact John at Smoking Airplanes - http:// > smokingairplanes.com. If your friend is a member of RPA they'll get > $50 off a system. > > > Steve Fox > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:48 PM PST US From: "Kelley Monroe" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Stainless Exhaust This aircraft is a stock CJ and has no heat muff. Thanks Kelley ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Fox To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Stainless Exhaust David No problem, hasn't been covered at all. Changed cause mine was shot, clamps and joints were in bad shape and getting exhaust leaks so I was going to make the change. Then I had a minor on the ground incident with a Seneca and the tips got mashed. So the switch was further required. This new exhaust is fantastic, all the joints are slip joints so no clamps everything is a bit tighter and my exhaust leak is gone. Steve On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:35 PM, David McGirt wrote: Steve, I notice you mentioned you have a stainless exhaust system, what are the benefits? Why would one change? Sorry if this is been covered 100 times, just too lazy to check the archives from my blackberry.. J David ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:16 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: smoke system On Jul 14, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Kelley Monroe wrote: A friend of mine wants to install at smoke system and doesn't know where to drill the hole in the exhaust system. Any thoughts? Thanks Kelley Kelley - I originally installed mine right side above heat muff. Bad idea. I was getting smoke through the vent. I have since installed new Exhaust Tech stainless exhaust system on my 52 and kept on right side but just below the heat muff and it works great. For smoke system contact John at Smoking Airplanes - http://smokingairplanes.com. If your friend is a member of RPA they'll get $50 off a system. Steve Fox ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:31 PM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Stainless Exhaust Where do you find a set? Ball park price? _____ [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:55 PM David No problem, hasn't been covered at all. Changed cause mine was shot, clamps and joints were in bad shape and getting exhaust leaks so I was going to make the change. Then I had a minor on the ground incident with a Seneca and the tips got mashed. So the switch was further required. This new exhaust is fantastic, all the joints are slip joints so no clamps everything is a bit tighter and my exhaust leak is gone. Steve On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:35 PM, David McGirt wrote: Steve, I notice you mentioned you have a stainless exhaust system, what are the benefits? Why would one change? Sorry if this is been covered 100 times, just too lazy to check the archives from my blackberry.. :-) David _____ size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:16 PM On Jul 14, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Kelley Monroe wrote: A friend of mine wants to install at smoke system and doesn't know where to drill the hole in the exhaust system. Any thoughts? Thanks Kelley Kelley - I originally installed mine right side above heat muff. Bad idea. I was getting smoke through the vent. I have since installed new Exhaust Tech stainless exhaust system on my 52 and kept on right side but just below the heat muff and it works great. For smoke system contact John at Smoking Airplanes - http://smokingairplanes.com. If your friend is a member of RPA they'll get $50 off a system. Steve Fox ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:02 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: OSH/MTW " - - a well thought out plan." Ha! Never in the RPA! :) :) Pappy Thanks for the info. Sorry for asking, I should have known there was a well thought out plan. See you in MTW. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:29 PM Forrest, ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:56:12 PM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Stainless Exhaust David, Which engine are your running? Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David McGirt Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:35 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Yak-List: Stainless Exhaust Where do you find a set? Ball park price? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:55 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Stainless Exhaust David No problem, hasn't been covered at all. Changed cause mine was shot, clamps and joints were in bad shape and getting exhaust leaks so I was going to make the change. Then I had a minor on the ground incident with a Seneca and the tips got mashed. So the switch was further required. This new exhaust is fantastic, all the joints are slip joints so no clamps everything is a bit tighter and my exhaust leak is gone. Steve On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:35 PM, David McGirt wrote: Steve, I notice you mentioned you have a stainless exhaust system, what are the benefits? Why would one change? Sorry if this is been covered 100 times, just too lazy to check the archives from my blackberry.. J David size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:16 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: smoke system On Jul 14, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Kelley Monroe wrote: A friend of mine wants to install at smoke system and doesn't know where to drill the hole in the exhaust system. Any thoughts? Thanks Kelley Kelley - I originally installed mine right side above heat muff. Bad idea. I was getting smoke through the vent. I have since installed new Exhaust Tech stainless exhaust system on my 52 and kept on right side but just below the heat muff and it works great. For smoke system contact John at Smoking Airplanes - http://smokingairplanes.com. If your friend is a member of RPA they'll get $50 off a system. Steve Fox ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:39 PM PST US From: david@mcgirt.net Subject: Re: Yak-List: Stainless Exhaust --> Yak-List message posted by: david@mcgirt.net M14 in a 52TW Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld. -----Original Message----- To: David, Which engine are your running? Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:35 PM Where do you find a set? Ball park price? ---------------- Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:55 PM David No problem, hasn't been covered at all. Changed cause mine was shot, clamps and joints were in bad shape and getting exhaust leaks so I was going to make the change. Then I had a minor on the ground incident with a Seneca and the tips got mashed. So the switch was further required. This new exhaust is fantastic, all the joints are slip joints so no clamps everything is a bit tighter and my exhaust leak is gone. Steve On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:35 PM, David McGirt wrote: Steve, I notice you mentioned you have a stainless exhaust system, what are the benefits? Why would one change? Sorry if this is been covered 100 times, just too lazy to check the archives from my blackberry.. J David size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:16 PM On Jul 14, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Kelley Monroe wrote: A friend of mine wants to install at smoke system and doesn't know where to drill the hole in the exhaust system. Any thoughts? Thanks Kelley Kelley - I originally installed mine right side above heat muff. Bad idea. I was getting smoke through the vent. I have since installed new Exhaust Tech stainless exhaust system on my 52 and kept on right side but just below the heat muff and it works great. For smoke system contact John at Smoking Airplanes - http://smokingairplanes.com. If your friend is a member of RPA they'll get $50 off a system. Steve Fox ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:06 PM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: engine failure Lance, It had the 285 hp engine, we have yet to tear it down so no clue yet. We have had 2 such failures here with the M14P, but this is the first with the 285........that I know of. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Lance Robb Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:06 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Yak-List: engine failure Hey Doug, I missed your reply. Do you have the Russian or Chinese engine in your CJ? Regards, Lance Robb NQ Warbirds Aust ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp Sent: Thursday, 13 July 2006 8:46 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Yak-List: engine failure Dam it's hard to keep that cat in the bag!! Yep it was me, failure of prop or crank shaft or gears causing a total disconnect between prop and engine, prop just windmills, parked it in the apple trees 150 ft from the end of the active. Will dissemble next week and do a full report on the list about what I find. Always Yakin, (sometimes prayin), Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Terry Lewis Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:32 PM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Yak-List: engine failure The NTSB reports that a CJ 6A had an engine failure near the Brewster airport in Washington on 07/02/06. The pilot reported no injuries however the aircraft wasn't so lucky. I was hoping someone would know which engine was in the plane and what caused the failure. Terry Lewis -- No virus found in this incoming message. 11/07/2006 -- 13/07/2006 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:06 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: OSH/MTW Schedule Troops, Here is a tentative schedule for the week as I know it. Herb may be able to add something I've forgotten. Sunday 23 rd Most arrivals 1800 WB picnic at OSH. Note OSH closes at 2000 each day. Monday 24th 1300 MTW>OSH briefing 1430 in cockpits 1440 start engines. 1500 TO from MTW 1530 Mass WarBird Arrival during show. (note: GIBs OK for this flight only) (note 2 these times are tentative) 1630 brief for OSH>MTW 1730 Takeoff >MTW (GIBs OK) 1900 Memorial Dinner at MTW Tuesday 25th 1030 takeoff for OSH 1130 First timer briefing. 1230 Airshow briefing 1530 fly airshow (no GIBs) 1900 Picnic at Basslers Wednesday 26th No airshow for us. open day. Thursday 27th 0900 Checkpilot meeting. 0930 FAST Board meeting. 0900 Forms for WB groups No airshow for us. open day. Friday 28th. 1230 Airshow briefing 1530 Fly the WB airshow (no GIBs) 1830 Picnic in WB area Saturday 29th 1230 Airshow briefing 1530 Fly the WB airshow (no GIBs) 1800 EAA WB awards dinner at OSH I hope this is a planning help. I'm looking forward to a very busy fun times RPAer. Let's show them what we can do. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:23 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Stainless Exhaust David, I do believe that the TW has a stainless steel exhaust already with the M-14p. Only the CJ-6 with Chinese HS-6 engines came with very poor plain steel exhaust systems. To me they are plane un safe. They rusted out VERY easily and were a real fire hazard. However they can be replace with stainless steel ones. There are various schemes to do that. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:42 PM PST US From: tamara_b@telus.net Subject: Yak-List: Oil Confusion --> Yak-List message posted by: tamara_b@telus.net Gentlemen, here comes again that so often exhausted question about the right oil for the Housai engine. I put in one year 200 hours on my CJ and used like the previous owner the Phillips 66 25-60 oil. Now my new AME (who was raised and trained in East Europe) told me to not use the Phillips oil on those engines. According to him, the Phillips oil is designed for American Radial Engines and will do more harm than good to the East-Bloc engines. His recommendation is the Aeroshell W100 Plus, the closest oil to the specs of Housai, M14 series, M462RF, etc. What do you think, your opinion is much appreciated. cheers Elmar (C-FTKL) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:53 PM PST US From: Bob Fitzpatrick Subject: Re: Yak-List: OSH: couple-3 things --> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick 1) We will be staying in OSH and driving to Rodger's dinner Mon nite. Anyone in charge of car pooling and/or needing a ride contact me off list please. 2) Pappy, you want a count for Basler's on Tues. Who's invited, just airshow pilots or ?? 3) What is Jurgis Kairys doing and when? I assume it will be @ MTW. bob & Nancy 52BN ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:14 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Confusion --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" Most everyone I know that uses Philips 25W-60 has told me their oil consumption is less and their engines run much better year round with this multiviscosity. This is particularly true during the colder months. Most engine wear occurs immediately at start up. In the colder months when oil pressure takes a few seconds to reach normal pressure, this is the time when wear occurs. The 25W-60 helps reduce wear. If the oil you are using remains on the moving parts for a longer period of time, then wear will be reduced. Personally I would not go back to Aeroshell 100W unless of course I could not get the Philips. On the M14, one of the reasons the engines typically use about 1 quart per hour is because of the very loose tolerances between the piston and the cylinder wall. Lycomings and Continental engines typically are between 4 and 8 thousands, if I am not mistaken. The M14 (and probably the Housai engine as well) has about 20 thousands between the piston and the cylinder wall. If the tolerance was down to about 8 thousands you'd probably only use a quart every 4-5 hours. Better lubrication is good for our engines and I am 100% convinced the 25W-60 provides better lubrication and protection against wear for our engines. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:39 PM > --> Yak-List message posted by: tamara_b@telus.net > > > Gentlemen, > > here comes again that so often > exhausted question about the right > oil for the Housai engine. > > I put in one year 200 hours on my > CJ and used like the previous owner > the Phillips 66 25-60 oil. > Now my new AME (who was raised > and trained in East Europe) told me to > not use the Phillips oil on those engines. > According to him, the Phillips oil is designed > for American Radial Engines and will do more > harm than good to the East-Bloc engines. > His recommendation is the Aeroshell W100 Plus, > the closest oil to the specs of Housai, M14 series, > M462RF, etc. > > What do you think, your opinion is much appreciated. > > cheers > > Elmar (C-FTKL) > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > http://wiki.matronics.com > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:13 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil Confusion Whenever I use the multi grade oils, my engine (now 1,200 hours since new ) M-14p gets oil leaks. I've been using Mobil 100 or 120 since day one. I do know guys who really feel the multi grades are the best. I truly do not know. Pappy Gentlemen, here comes again that so often exhausted question about the right oil for the Housai engine. I put in one year 200 hours on my CJ and used like the previous owner the Phillips 66 25-60 oil. Now my new AME (who was raised and trained in East Europe) told me to not use the Phillips oil on those engines. According to him, the Phillips oil is designed for American Radial Engines and will do more harm than good to the East-Bloc engines. His recommendation is the Aeroshell W100 Plus, the closest oil to the specs of Housai, M14 series, M462RF, etc. What do you think, your opinion is much appreciated. cheers Elmar (C-FTKL) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:18 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: OSH: couple-3 things --> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick 1) We will be staying in OSH and driving to Rodger's dinner Mon nite. Anyone in charge of car pooling and/or needing a ride contact me off list please. I'll raise my hand to that. 2) Pappy, you want a count for Basler's on Tues. Who's invited, just airshow pilots or ?? I understand that RPA is invited. I just need to get some idea of how many are going. 3) What is Jurgis Kairys doing and when? I assume it will be @ MTW. I understand he'll be demoing at MTW Monday afternoon. bob & Nancy 52BN