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1. 12:34 AM - Yak50 (Hans Oortman)
2. 03:43 AM - yak 50 landings and russian radio (Jan Mevis)
3. 07:23 AM - Re: Yak50 (Francis Butler)
4. 11:14 AM - Re: Re:LET'S NOT SCARE ANYBODY (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
5. 12:52 PM - Re: Re:LET'S NOT SCARE ANYBODY (Francis Butler)
6. 03:17 PM - Re: yak 50 landings and Russian radio (Jan Mevis)
7. 04:01 PM - Re: yak 50 landings and Russian radio (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
8. 05:16 PM - Re: yak 50 landings and Russian radio (Francis Butler)
9. 11:15 PM - Re: Yak50 (Roger Kemp)
10. 11:29 PM - Re: OSH Yak Forum/ yak 50 / (Roger Kemp)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
Francis,
Any idea how much it would to put her into a container and ship her to
Holland??
Hans
Dutch Yak Dude
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francis Butler
Sent: vrijdag 21 juli 2006 7:34
--> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler <francisbutler@mac.com>
Do not archive
Cliff
Have not sold my 50 yet. Kind of why I don't want to many stories out there
intimidating prospective buyers. Yes, the 50 could be a challenge for the
unaware, but any competent Yak 52 pilot can catch on quickly, not sure of
the CJ guys though. (kidding, just kidding)
I recently reduced the price to a very attractive level considering the
equipment that goes with the aircraft and the Hoffman 3 blade prop upgrade
($12,000). Sorry, cant let your buddy fly the aircraft before the sale.
Even if it was a 152, I would not let a prospective buyer fly solo. Be glad
to demonstrate starting, taxi, and will fly it around the patch so he can
see it fly. Someone is going to get a very nice 50 at a very fair price.
I can deliver it if need be.
I to love this airplane. Every time I taxi in from a flight, I tell myself
to pull it off the market. Actually kind of hope it doesn't sell for awhile
as I would like to fly it down to the Yak deal in Selma this Fall. When I
had my 52, I was in Selma a couple of times for instruction from Gennady E.
and ended up buying Scott Patterson's 50 as well a few years back.
Selma's a great place for flying and Scott and Buddy have always been very
gracious host's.
The following link will get you to a web page with all the information on my
Yak 50.
http://homepage.mac.com/francisbutler/
Regards,
Francis
On Thursday, July 20, 2006, at 10:49PM, Cliff Umscheid
<netmaster15@juno.com> wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
>
>Francis,
>
>Have you sold your YAK 50 yet? An acquaintance has asked me "will Mr
>Butler allow me to fly the aircraft before I put up earnest money"?
>He has no tailwheel time but is willing to acquire 2 hours of dual in a
>Piper cub before he sets out for North Dakota , He is a competent ,low
>time Cessna 152 pilot with approximately 200 hours of flight time. I
>told him that was YOUR decision, however, the least he should expect is
>to
>have you crouch on the wing and give him a gentle, non-alarming ,
>pre-start, pre-taxi,pre-flight briefing.
> Now, Francis, I must tell you that I love MY YAK 50 so much, I am
>thinking of buying a second copy to keep at my summer time No. Carolina
>home. That way I can avoid the necessity of a multi-stop, round trip
>from Florida to N.C. each year. Would you be so kind as to send me the
>specs --component times and equipment plus spares --applicable to your
>aircraft .When were the control surfaces recovered last?
>
>Warm Regards,
>
>Cliff
>
>On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:12:50 -0500 Francis Butler <francisbutler@mac.com>
>writes:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler
>> <francisbutler@mac.com>
>>
>>
>> Lets not scare anybody with limited tail-wheel time from buying a
>> Yak 50. Any competent pilot can easily make the transition. I
>> bought mine when I had Zero tail-wheel time. Two hours dual in a
>> Champ, another half dozen hours of champ solo time and I was off
>> flying my 50. A little intimidating first time taxiing out, but the
>> aircraft does not have any hidden surprises.
>>
>> On another note, any Yakkers transitioning through North Dakota To
>> or From Oshkosh are welcome to stop in Fargo. Have room for one
>> maybe two yaks in my hanger and probably more space available over
>> at the Fargo Air Museum. Or just stop for lunch, my hanger has
>> large deck, grill and have refreshments in the fridge. Advance
>> notice of arrival would be appreciated. Located on the South-East
>> corner of Fargo (FAR) directly North of Fargo Air Museum. Even you
>> CJ guys are welcome.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Francis Butler
>> hanger 701 239-4532
>> cell 701 238-1826
>>
>> do not archive
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| Subject: | yak 50 landings and russian radio |
Hi guys,
I've got a Yak 50, Russian registered with the original radio. This radio
works fine but seems to have a very limited emission range (a few
miles).Does anyone of you knows how it works ? There are two toggle
buttons. The left one is for noise suppression, but I can't figure out what
the right one is for (it has the Russian word for "net" marked on it).
Since I'd liked to keep the plane as original as possible, I want to keep
the radio and want to try boosting the emission power.
About the landings, it is indeed special. I only had some fifty hours on
Pitts for tailwheel experience, but you certainly can't land it like the
Pitts. The Pitts is tailwheel-first. With the Yak 50 I always aim at doing
threewheelers and indeed somewhat slower than 150 km/h : about 130, 135 but
with a little bit of power as in a precautionary landing. I must admit that
I avoid flying with a lot of crosswind. I keep doing touch and go's in order
to improve my landings (on a grass strip). Fortunately the Yak 50 won't
groundloop as easy as the Pitts (I think).
Before flying the 50, I performed some landings from the back seat of a 52
but the lessons on the 52 were particularly helpful to learn about the
Russian technology, more than about the landings. So I agree with the others
: try to get some tailwheel experience before flying the Yak 50, not because
it 's so difficult to land, but because you're alone up there.
Jan Mevis
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler <francisbutler@mac.com>
Do not archive
Hans
No idea on cost. You might want to check with some of these Yak importer folks.
Regards,
Francis
On Friday, July 21, 2006, at 02:45AM, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@euronet.nl> wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
>
>Francis,
>
>Any idea how much it would to put her into a container and ship her to
>Holland??
>
>Hans
>Dutch Yak Dude
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:LET'S NOT SCARE ANYBODY |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Just another view from the crowd.
Francis's package deal on his airplane and parts (the parts alone are worth a LOT)
is the best deal I have seen in a long long time. I was seriously considering
trying to sell my 50 just to be able to buy his (again... along with all
those PARTS!). Add the Hoffman prop and it is a real steal of a deal.
Francis, I think you're NUTS to sell that airplane, but I understand that sometimes
money can just not be ignored. I am just amazed that someone has not jumped
on that thing like white on rice. Maybe you need to RAISE the price!
Take care,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Francis Butler
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:34
--> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler <francisbutler@mac.com>
Do not archive
Cliff
Have not sold my 50 yet. Kind of why I don't want to many stories out there intimidating
prospective buyers. Yes, the 50 could be a challenge for the unaware,
but any competent Yak 52 pilot can catch on quickly, not sure of the CJ guys
though. (kidding, just kidding)
I recently reduced the price to a very attractive level considering the equipment
that goes with the aircraft and the Hoffman 3 blade prop upgrade ($12,000).
Sorry, cant let your buddy fly the aircraft before the sale. Even if it was
a 152, I would not let a prospective buyer fly solo. Be glad to demonstrate
starting, taxi, and will fly it around the patch so he can see it fly. Someone
is going to get a very nice 50 at a very fair price. I can deliver it if
need be.
I to love this airplane. Every time I taxi in from a flight, I tell myself to
pull it off the market. Actually kind of hope it doesn't sell for awhile as I
would like to fly it down to the Yak deal in Selma this Fall. When I had my
52, I was in Selma a couple of times for instruction from Gennady E. and ended
up buying Scott Patterson's 50 as well a few years back.
Selma's a great place for flying and Scott and Buddy have always been very gracious
host's.
The following link will get you to a web page with all the information on my Yak
50.
http://homepage.mac.com/francisbutler/
Regards,
Francis
On Thursday, July 20, 2006, at 10:49PM, Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com> wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
>
>Francis,
>
>Have you sold your YAK 50 yet? An acquaintance has asked me "will Mr
>Butler allow me to fly the aircraft before I put up earnest money"?
>He has no tailwheel time but is willing to acquire 2 hours of dual in a
>Piper cub before he sets out for North Dakota , He is a competent ,low
>time Cessna 152 pilot with approximately 200 hours of flight time. I
>told him that was YOUR decision, however, the least he should expect is
>to
>have you crouch on the wing and give him a gentle, non-alarming ,
>pre-start, pre-taxi,pre-flight briefing.
> Now, Francis, I must tell you that I love MY YAK 50 so much, I am
>thinking of buying a second copy to keep at my summer time No. Carolina
>home. That way I can avoid the necessity of a multi-stop, round trip
>from Florida to N.C. each year. Would you be so kind as to send me the
>specs --component times and equipment plus spares --applicable to your
>aircraft .When were the control surfaces recovered last?
>
>Warm Regards,
>
>Cliff
>
>On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:12:50 -0500 Francis Butler <francisbutler@mac.com>
>writes:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler
>> <francisbutler@mac.com>
>>
>>
>> Lets not scare anybody with limited tail-wheel time from buying a
>> Yak 50. Any competent pilot can easily make the transition. I
>> bought mine when I had Zero tail-wheel time. Two hours dual in a
>> Champ, another half dozen hours of champ solo time and I was off
>> flying my 50. A little intimidating first time taxiing out, but the
>> aircraft does not have any hidden surprises.
>>
>> On another note, any Yakkers transitioning through North Dakota To
>> or From Oshkosh are welcome to stop in Fargo. Have room for one
>> maybe two yaks in my hanger and probably more space available over
>> at the Fargo Air Museum. Or just stop for lunch, my hanger has
>> large deck, grill and have refreshments in the fridge. Advance
>> notice of arrival would be appreciated. Located on the South-East
>> corner of Fargo (FAR) directly North of Fargo Air Museum. Even you
>> CJ guys are welcome.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Francis Butler
>> hanger 701 239-4532
>> cell 701 238-1826
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re:LET'S NOT SCARE ANYBODY |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler <francisbutler@mac.com>
Do not archive
Gunny
I had the price higher, but no takers. Someone is going to get a very nice aircraft
at a very attractive price. It's not that I can't afford to keep it, it
just that I have no other Yak guys to fly with up here. Half the fun is going
out flying with your buddies. At one point in time we had several Yak owners
on the field, now just me. I recently bought a new Extra 300L and have been
flying that along with commuting to the lake with the RV-8 that I built. I've
had 3 Yaks and hate to get out of the radial engine deal for sure.
I'm at my office at the airport and Bob Odegaard and his son Casey just taxied
up next door to the Fargo Air Museum with their P-51 Mustang and their Super Corsair,
Race 57. I have flown backseat in both of these aircraft and can honestly
say the strapping on a Yak 50 gives a very similar feeling just in a smaller
size. This tailwheel stuff isn't rocket science, Casey received his initial
tailwheel training and endorsement in the Mustang from his dad. (nothing like
starting at the top).
With 600 hours in your 50, you must be the highest time 50 pilot in the US. I've
owned mine for 6 years and have only put on a 100 hours or so. The winters
and windy crappy weather in the Dakota's just doesn't promote a ton of flying
in model such as the 50. With the lack of interest, I'll probably just keep
it. Show up in Selma, maybe we can get a group of 50's together. You can teach
us all something.
Semper Fi
Francis
On Friday, July 21, 2006, at 01:28PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,
MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>Just another view from the crowd.
>
>Francis's package deal on his airplane and parts (the parts alone are worth a
LOT) is the best deal I have seen in a long long time. I was seriously considering
trying to sell my 50 just to be able to buy his (again... along with all
those PARTS!). Add the Hoffman prop and it is a real steal of a deal.
>
>Francis, I think you're NUTS to sell that airplane, but I understand that sometimes
money can just not be ignored. I am just amazed that someone has not jumped
on that thing like white on rice. Maybe you need to RAISE the price!
>
>Take care,
>
>Mark
>
>
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| Subject: | yak 50 landings and Russian radio |
Mark,
Here's a picture of the cockpit : everything in Russian as it came out of
the Shakthy factory in 2002. The radio has five knobs : two radio buttons
for the frequency (only 50 kHz separated); a volumeknob (bottom) and the two
toggle buttons. My plane is in a hangar 100 miles from my home. I"ll try to
have more data asap.
But thanks for your answer !
Jan
_____
[mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil]
Sent: vrijdag 21 juli 2006 20:05
Jan's, I have two YAK-50's... one that is wrecked and is just used for
parts, the other I flew. I am also an Avionics Rep for the Marine Corps and
have done some repair on the Russian radios. Your description of the two
toggle buttons confuses me. There are two adjustments on the front of the
radio in a YAK-52, but not that I can remember on the YAK-50 radios. Can
you describe the radio that you have? Is it all one piece? Is there a
control head with a remote R/T ???
All of the radios I have dealt with have at least 5 watts of output power.
That's unmodulated carrier power. Peak envelope power is of course about 4
times that. There are a few models that put out even more power than that!
Regardless, with a good 5 watts, and a good antenna... I usually can achieve
ranges over 80 miles. Before I would suspect the radio as being bad, I
would pay particular attention to the coax line and the antenna. You need
to borrow a good in-line wattmeter and make some checks on forward and
reflected power, measured at the antenna AND at the back of the radio R/T
itself. Anyway, try to tell me more about what you have if you can.
Best Regards,
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 6:40
Hi guys,
I've got a Yak 50, Russian registered with the original radio. This radio
works fine but seems to have a very limited emission range (a few
miles).Does anyone of you knows how it works ? There are two toggle
buttons. The left one is for noise suppression, but I can't figure out what
the right one is for (it has the Russian word for "net" marked on it).
Since I'd liked to keep the plane as original as possible, I want to keep
the radio and want to try boosting the emission power.
About the landings, it is indeed special. I only had some fifty hours on
Pitts for tailwheel experience, but you certainly can't land it like the
Pitts. The Pitts is tailwheel-first. With the Yak 50 I always aim at doing
threewheelers and indeed somewhat slower than 150 km/h : about 130, 135 but
with a little bit of power as in a precautionary landing. I must admit that
I avoid flying with a lot of crosswind. I keep doing touch and go's in order
to improve my landings (on a grass strip). Fortunately the Yak 50 won't
groundloop as easy as the Pitts (I think).
Before flying the 50, I performed some landings from the back seat of a 52
but the lessons on the 52 were particularly helpful to learn about the
Russian technology, more than about the landings. So I agree with the others
: try to get some tailwheel experience before flying the Yak 50, not because
it 's so difficult to land, but because you're alone up there.
Jan Mevis
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| Subject: | yak 50 landings and Russian radio |
OH BOY! I have never, EVER seen anything like THAT! You've sprung a
new one on me! What year is your YAK-50? I have a 1974 Yak and a 1985
Yak, and NEITHER of them have anything that looks like that! Is the
thing I am looking at in your cockpit the actual RADIO? Or is it just a
control head with the actual radio being located someplace else? WOW...
looks like something brand new that no one else has! I have seen all
the YAK-52 models too, and again.. NOTHING like that.
I would not worry about replacing that radio with something else that is
not "stock" because what you have in there now was never "stock" in a
YAK-50 that I have ever seen or heard about.... and I have sat in about
10 or so YAK-50's.
I have some Russian friends... I will show the picture to them and see
what they say.
Never-the-less, the recommendations I made about how to check the radio
are still accurate.
Wow.... something NEW!
Take care, and good luck... I'll be glad to help if I can!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 18:15
Mark,
Here's a picture of the cockpit : everything in Russian as it came out
of the Shakthy factory in 2002. The radio has five knobs : two radio
buttons for the frequency (only 50 kHz separated); a volumeknob (bottom)
and the two toggle buttons. My plane is in a hangar 100 miles from my
home. I"ll try to have more data asap.
But thanks for your answer !
Jan
_____
[mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil]
Sent: vrijdag 21 juli 2006 20:05
Jan's, I have two YAK-50's... one that is wrecked and is just used for
parts, the other I flew. I am also an Avionics Rep for the Marine Corps
and have done some repair on the Russian radios. Your description of
the two toggle buttons confuses me. There are two adjustments on the
front of the radio in a YAK-52, but not that I can remember on the
YAK-50 radios. Can you describe the radio that you have? Is it all one
piece? Is there a control head with a remote R/T ???
All of the radios I have dealt with have at least 5 watts of output
power. That's unmodulated carrier power. Peak envelope power is of
course about 4 times that. There are a few models that put out even
more power than that! Regardless, with a good 5 watts, and a good
antenna... I usually can achieve ranges over 80 miles. Before I would
suspect the radio as being bad, I would pay particular attention to the
coax line and the antenna. You need to borrow a good in-line wattmeter
and make some checks on forward and reflected power, measured at the
antenna AND at the back of the radio R/T itself. Anyway, try to tell me
more about what you have if you can.
Best Regards,
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jan Mevis
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 6:40
Hi guys,
I've got a Yak 50, Russian registered with the original radio. This
radio works fine but seems to have a very limited emission range (a few
miles).Does anyone of you knows how it works ? There are two toggle
buttons. The left one is for noise suppression, but I can't figure out
what the right one is for (it has the Russian word for "net" marked on
it).
Since I'd liked to keep the plane as original as possible, I want to
keep the radio and want to try boosting the emission power.
About the landings, it is indeed special. I only had some fifty hours on
Pitts for tailwheel experience, but you certainly can't land it like the
Pitts. The Pitts is tailwheel-first. With the Yak 50 I always aim at
doing threewheelers and indeed somewhat slower than 150 km/h : about
130, 135 but with a little bit of power as in a precautionary landing. I
must admit that I avoid flying with a lot of crosswind. I keep doing
touch and go's in order to improve my landings (on a grass strip).
Fortunately the Yak 50 won't groundloop as easy as the Pitts (I think).
Before flying the 50, I performed some landings from the back seat of a
52 but the lessons on the 52 were particularly helpful to learn about
the Russian technology, more than about the landings. So I agree with
the others : try to get some tailwheel experience before flying the Yak
50, not because it 's so difficult to land, but because you're alone up
there.
Jan Mevis
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| Subject: | yak 50 landings and Russian radio |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler <francisbutler@mac.com>
Where do I get one of them little Mag Compass on top of the dash of the Yak 50,
like in the picture?
Anyone have one laying around?
Francis
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Hans,
21/2 years ago, it was $6000 to ship my 52 from Lithuania. If that gives
you a ball park value.
One thing to consider, there are more Spitfires flying than 50's in the
world currantly!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Francis Butler <francisbutler@mac.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 7/21/2006 9:45:49 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak50
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler <francisbutler@mac.com>
>
>
> Do not archive
>
> Hans
> No idea on cost. You might want to check with some of these Yak importer
folks.
> Regards,
> Francis
>
>
> On Friday, July 21, 2006, at 02:45AM, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
wrote:
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
> >
> >Francis,
> >
> >Any idea how much it would to put her into a container and ship her to
> >Holland??
> >
> >Hans
> >Dutch Yak Dude
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | OSH Yak Forum/ yak 50 / |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Indeed, no truer words spoken! Give her respect always in a cross wind with
this girl and she will give you the most fun one can have with one's cloths
on for a price that is a heck of alot less than the next A/c in line [a
Corsair or a Mustang (P-51)].
Doc
> The 50 is the only airplane I have ever flown that always talks to me
after my last flight and reminds me that my skills as a pilot have yet to
match its abilities as an airplane.
> Mark Bitterlich
> N50YK
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Francis Butler
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 18:13
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler <francisbutler@mac.com>
>
>
> Lets not scare anybody with limited tail-wheel time from buying a Yak 50.
Any competent pilot can easily make the transition. I bought mine when I
had Zero tail-wheel time. Two hours dual in a Champ, another half dozen
hours of champ solo time and I was off flying my 50. A little intimidating
first time taxiing out, but the aircraft does not have any hidden
surprises.
>
> On another note, any Yakkers transitioning through North Dakota To or
yaks in my hanger and probably more space available over at the Fargo Air
Museum. Or just stop for lunch, my hanger has large deck, grill and have
refreshments in the fridge. Advance notice of arrival would be
appreciated. Located on the South-East corner of Fargo (FAR) directly
North of Fargo Air Museum. Even you CJ guys are welcome.
>
> Regards,
> Francis Butler
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