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1. 03:52 AM - Approved Manual (Craig Payne)
2. 09:10 AM - New Russian Airplanes (Jill Gernetzke)
3. 09:10 AM - From today's AVWEB (direct copy)--a bit of good news (doug sapp)
4. 09:11 AM - From today's AVWEB (direct copy)--a bit of good news (doug sapp)
5. 09:42 AM - Styrofoam (Jerry Painter)
6. 11:31 AM - Re: Maintenance, Regs, EAA (Ernie)
7. 11:34 AM - Security Alert (Ernie)
8. 03:37 PM - Birmingham September Airshow (Drew Blahnick)
9. 04:20 PM - Re: Security Alert (Tim Gagnon)
10. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Security Alert (John W. Hilterman Jr.)
11. 05:33 PM - Re: Last attempt then I'm out!! (maintenance) (Ron Davis)
12. 06:45 PM - FYI (Jerry Painter)
13. 08:37 PM - Re: Re: Security Alert (Roger Kemp)
14. 09:10 PM - Frank Said.............. (Frank Haertlein)
15. 09:37 PM - FW: This year's Christmas Pressie (Lance Robb)
16. 09:41 PM - Re: Re: Security Alert (Sarah Tobin)
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Ah, so little to say and yet so much ado. So happens I have an "Approved Manual".
Back in the bad old days, the Chicago FSDO guy demanded a maintenance program
so I handed him a 32 page checklist that Bud Harrell used to sell for both
Yak and CJ. Without warning, my FSDO guy whipped out a hand stamp, pad with real
Red Ink and proceeded to stamp "Approved" on each and every page, followed
by his initials. When I moved to Florida the Orlando FSDO guy decided to re-license
the airplane with new restrictions. He took one look at those imposing stamps
and authorized it as The Manual.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | New Russian Airplanes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
Group,
I have six I-1Ls (aka "Miglets") for sale which we received recently
from Russia. They are a small tailwheel, miniWilga-looking, light bush
plane originally designed by Interavia for fire spotting and pipeline
patrol. The Miglets were built at the MiG factory in Lukhovitsy. If
your curiosity is piqued, contact me off list and I will send you a
spec sheet and photos. I have also placed the information on our
website, but the last I looked, it had not been updated.
Also got a heap of parts from Romania: Carb heat boxes, carb heat
horns, throttle cables, strut tools, air charging tools, exhaust
gaskets and shims, etc. Again, please contact me off list.
Jill Gernetzke
M-14P, Incorporated
4905 Flightline Drive
Kingman, AZ 86401 -7417
(928)-681-4400
Fax(928)681-4404
www.m-14p.com
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| Subject: | From today's AVWEB (direct copy)--a bit of good news |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Warbird pilots got some good news from the FAA during EAA AirVenture last
month. "The FAA has proposed removing the proficiency area requirements
currently in place for warbirds," said EAA Warbirds of America (WOA)
Executive Director Bill Fischer. "It will mean that a civilian pilot who
flies a military or surplus aircraft can fly it anywhere that a civil
aircraft can go." Current FAA regulations restrict most warbird flights to
600 miles or less from their home bases. WOA has been involved in a
"continuing dialog" with the FAA to try to ease those restrictions for
qualified pilots, Fischer said. "The FAA continues to stress that warbirds
in civilian operation are intended for exhibition and not for personal
transport, but they have conceded that lifting the area restrictions will
not affect the safety of the pilots or the public."
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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| Subject: | From today's AVWEB (direct copy)--a bit of good news |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
For the folks who don's have access to Avweb here is a link to the WOA/EAA
statement.
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/news/2006%20-%2007_29%20-%20FAA%20Proposes%20Rem
oving%20Area%20Proficiency%20Requirements.html#TopOfPage
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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Sorry, Craig, didn't realize you were using old styro cups.
Jerry Painter
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| Subject: | Re: Maintenance, Regs, EAA |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <erniel29@gmail.com>
Dont hold back Craig, tell us how you really feel :)
Ernie
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53910#53910
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <erniel29@gmail.com>
Our Aviation threat level has been elevated to RED, if you are flying you CANNOT
bring aboard ANY fluids. So make sure you take a good long pee before boarding
:)
Ernie
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53911#53911
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| Subject: | Birmingham September Airshow |
RPAers,
I was contacted by the Birmingham airshow on their upcoming event in late September
(22-24).
This will go out as an ecom as well, but if you are interested in flying in a
mass formation RedStars team for this event (needing the mass lead, flight leads,
wings, & airshow-team laison), please email me direct offline. This is the
future of an RPA program where the association helps market our FAST formation
members under "RedStars" and we get contacted by event organizers or their
laisons. If you think you can make this airshow, or your entire local squadron/hangar
group, let us know!
"....Wings & Wheels 2006 is our 74th Anniversary Air Show and for the first time
we have a television sponsor. Acts include Greg Koontz, Skip Stewart, Tim Weber,
Steve Oliver, Gary Rower, The Pacific Prowler B-25, Kevin Korterud in a
T-6 aerobatic routine, and Jamie Lynn parachuting with and American Flag 65 feet
x 33 feet. We would really like to have a RedStars formation of Nanchangs/Yaks
included. We are a 501c3 non-profit organization with all proceeds going
to either the Southern Museum of Flight (which we built and gave to the City
of Birmingham as a gift), The BAC Air Saftey Foundation, or the Thurston W. Sumner
Flight Education Program. Our website is Birmingham aeroclub.org..."
The RPA only helps enlighten the organizers about the RedStars "talent" and how
and where to ask/request for a pilots - the rest is as we say "your show" -
the progr
am needs mass leads with experience
Please let us know if you're on for Birmingham,
Drew
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| Subject: | Re: Security Alert |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
We had countless crews have to give up EVERYTHING going through security today!
So there you are on the beginning of a four day trip with now tooth paste, hair
gel (for those so inclined), mouthwash....anything liquid.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53957#53957
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| Subject: | Re: Security Alert |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "John W. Hilterman Jr." <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
Yeah, and I had to give up a pair of fingernail clippers after 9/11 even
though I was in uniform, had an airline ID, and was working. When I told
the TSA idiot that I had access to a rather menacing looking crash axe on
the flight deck, he said it didn't matter, he was just doing his job. WTFO!
Hitman
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:17 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Security Alert
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
We had countless crews have to give up EVERYTHING going through security
today! So there you are on the beginning of a four day trip with now tooth
paste, hair gel (for those so inclined), mouthwash....anything liquid.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53957#53957
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| Subject: | Re: Last attempt then I'm out!! (maintenance) |
Read what you wrote- the part in quotes. The word approved is not in
there for prop planes. It is in the section on jets, but if you're
talking CJs, it doesn't say "approved maintenance plan". If you don't
beleive what you wrote, read the order (page 166).
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Pine
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Last attempt then I'm out!! (maintenance)
I am so trying trying to get out of this conversation!! It states
that to register in Exh Exp, one of the requirments it to submit an
approved maintenance plan. So what is approved? That is where the
other section comes in 91. This section is for inspector and what they
need to look at in order to certify aircraft. Look folks I has just
trying to get at the truth because it is not written, it is left open to
interpretation. That is where the problem is. 8130 is a boiler plate
or template. Not the end all bet all. The inspector as room to add
other requirments as he sees fit.
OK this time I mean it I'm out!! Have fun!!
Ron Davis <L39parts@hotmail.com> wrote:
I agree with most of this, but you quote FAA Order 8130.2F section
10 (C-4) , "Aircraft under 800HP must be inspected each year in
accordance with an inspection plan that contains the scope and detail of
appendix D to Part 43". Quoting the regs/orders is good, but then you
go off on a tangent in the next paragraph by asking "What is an improved
inspection plan?"
An improved inspection plan would be one that is better than the old
one. On a related note, an APPROVED maintenace plan is what is required
for piston exhibition planes of over 800 HP and for jets. It has to be
submitted to FSDO and get their stamp on it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Pine
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 4:09 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Last attempt then I'm out!! (maintenance)
It is amazing how venomous some of you get with your comments. A
legit question was asked pertaining to maintenance and who can
accomplish it. There are a few on here that have direct experience in
this field and others that know what they have been told and if you
disagree you are pulling stuff out your ass or being told you have no
clue what you are talking about. I will try this again and we'll see
how it goes. I have contacted two different FSDOs that I am familiar
with and have done work with and as predicted, I got two different
answers. So let me share with you exactly what I have been told and you
make your own mind up.
First the question came up, Why is the FAA requiring maintenance
manuals. As quoted by someone on line.. They are worthless! FAA Order
8130.2F (64-2) states on the initial inspection of the aircraft by an
inspector "A review of military maintenance manuals and modification
records affecting the subject aircraft is current status and
maintenance, for example, the military equivalent to the FAA AD's."
Next, who can perform maintenance on an experimental Exhibition
aircraft? FAA Order 8130.2F States, "The ability of civilian operators
to maintain and operate these aircraft depends on their background and
experience, training and facilities, availability of technical manuals
and design information, and the complexity of the aircraft involved. To
this end and to the maximum extent feasible, it is the policy off the
FAA to recognize the most complete sources of maintenance and training
and to encourage owners, operators, and flightcrew to use these sources
and successfully complete required training from a recognized training
organization."
What must be done. FAA Order 8130.2F section 10 (C-4) States,
"Aircraft under 800HP must be inspected each year in accordance with an
inspection plan that contains the scope and detail of appendix D to Part
43."
What is an improved inspection plan? There are four main types
but two are the most common as called out in FAA 8300.10. You can
either submit your own maintenance program letter that includes the
scope and detail of appendix 43.13 app D, or you can choose to comply
with the inspection program recommended by the applicable military
service under FAR sect 91.409 (f) (3).
As to exhibition experimental the same as experimenal. Exibition
is a sub catogory or experimental. We do not abid to Experimetal
(homebuilt) maintenance rules. Only those spelled out in your letter of
limitations and 8130. They are not the same. In Experimetal (homebuilt)
it does say that you will perform an annual inspection and signed off by
an appropriate authoried person or shop. That is not stated in 8130.
FAA Order 8130, is a boiler plate outline for Certification and
Operation of aircraft under the Experimental purposes of Exhibition and
Air Racing. These are the parts that the FAA must include in your
letter or limitations. As you see there are some big holes as to who
can do what. I was told by the Arizona FSDO that the inspector has
latitude to add more requirements then are written on this boiler plate.
AZ does not add a line for who should do maintenance. Alabama on the
other had does. No other FARs or Orders pertain directly with our
aircraft and maintenance. That is it! Bottom line, there is no one set
way of doing anything because it is not spelled out on 8130. You must
do what ever your own operating limitations states. The rest is your
ability and conscience.
Ready for the snakes and venom again.!!!
Larry Pine
Larry Pine
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Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
PART 1=97DEFINITIONS AND ABBREVIATIONS
=A7 1.1 General definitions.
Maintenance means inspection, overhaul, repair, preservation, and the rep
lacement of parts, but excludes preventive maintenance.
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| Subject: | Re: Security Alert |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Hitman,
I hope you have access to a .357, .45, or 9mm on the flight deck now.
Realizing that some of the contents of those harmless bottles can in
combination be turned into a gas in a volume that can be explosive as well
just plain toxic if inhaled. I am not going into some of the things that
can do that but they exist in your home, can be purchased in any grocery
store or drug store. These bastards are clever bunch.
I am for nuking them and nuking them often...Iran, Anbar Providence, and
the ruleless frontier of Pakistan. Syria sneeze an you will next.
And no, this has not got anything to do with flying and maintaining YAKs or
CJ's except if these radical clerics are allowed to continue spouting
hatred for their Mosques' inciting seditious behavior are going to get us
all grounded again like 911!
When are these secular liberals going to figure it out? These people want
us dead!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: John W. Hilterman Jr. <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/10/2006 6:51:45 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Security Alert
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> --> Yak-List message posted by: "John W. Hilterman Jr."
<johnhilterman1@cox.net>
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> Yeah, and I had to give up a pair of fingernail clippers after 9/11 even
> though I was in uniform, had an airline ID, and was working. When I told
> the TSA idiot that I had access to a rather menacing looking crash axe on
> the flight deck, he said it didn't matter, he was just doing his job.
WTFO!
>
> Hitman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:17 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Security Alert
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> We had countless crews have to give up EVERYTHING going through security
> today! So there you are on the beginning of a four day trip with now tooth
> paste, hair gel (for those so inclined), mouthwash....anything liquid.
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Frank Said.............. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Tim Gagnoff wrote...
"it is disgraceful to point out the fact that someone either chose not to
serve or COULD not serve for whatever reason".
Tim..........
You remind me of the people that spit on our service members when coming
back from Nam.
No, it's not disgraceful to point out my military service. I'm proud of it.
That is until I realize it has served to secure liberty for guys like you
and Barry (Big-Dog-Butthead).
Yea, you can pipe up and spew your sh!t but don't forget who gave you that
freedom........
Frank
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So you want to lecture me on your version of moral superiority?
The person selling pics for $20 each made it a point to elaborate on his
buddies military service while flying military aircraft. Fine, I got no
problem with it and support him.
Yet you wrote...........
"Frank, I think it is disgraceful to point out the fact that someone either
chose not "to" serve or COULD not serve for whatever reason".
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OK then, Tim.........will you then give the same vitriol to the person that
elaborated on his military flying service to give justification in his
efforts to sell pics for $20?
Since it serves your immediate purposes I doubt it.......it's called a
double standard......you f^*ing j&$k!
Frank
Ps... There's a camaraderie between military service members that you will
likely never understand......it has do with the willingness to give your
life for your country. I'm certain you have never experienced that........
Your words trumpet your ignorance.
PSS..... Is it possible to arrive at a point to where one becomes ashamed to
have served his country when it's occupied by the likes of "Leftist Barry"
or Tim Gagnoff?.............I'm beginning to think it wasn't worth it!
Reminds me of the current crop of politicians who choose to serve their own,
personal agenda without regard to the interests of the American people.
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| Subject: | FW: This year's Christmas Pressie |
Hi,
I got a great laugh from this and thought you might too.
Regards, Lance Robb
NQ Warbirds Aust
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From: Ruth & Neil [mailto:man20@netspace.net.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 7:30 AM
Subject: Fw: This year's Christmas Pressie
HYPERLINK "mailto:rarneman@bigpond.net.au"
This year's Christmas Pressie
Happy Christmas!!!!
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HAMMER
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BLISS BOX
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DOGHOUSE
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her to masturbate comfortably while enjoying vigorous rear entry. Put a
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PLUNGER
One of the most popular positions, offering soothing penetration in the
comfort of a loving embrace. Let him bounce her for a heady ride to ecstasy.
Position next to a bed or other firm support for his comfort.
SHAFTER
Extra control and authority for a position that demands a strong
performance. Have him go "hands-only" for a more athletic position - just
curl legs
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| Subject: | Re: Security Alert |
In my humble (or not so, for those that know me) opinion.....
I think that anything we need to do to help the effort is a good thing. We all
need to be vigilant and comply with the regs to ensure that the one in a gazillion
dudes that board an airplane are not allowed to get on with a menacing
weapon.
To caveat that, I say that anything that ensures the average dumb American that
TSA is doing their job, gives them a false sense of security is a good thing.
All of us who take to the air on a regular basis know there is a threat out there,
but we don't let it consume us.
There is a large majority, however, that is driven by daily events....just look
at how the stock market fluctuates based on these things.
So, I think that these immediate, drastic measures are being taken to passify
that minority.
My 2 cents....
Smash
"John W. Hilterman Jr." <johnhilterman1@cox.net> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "John W. Hilterman Jr."
Yeah, and I had to give up a pair of fingernail clippers after 9/11 even
though I was in uniform, had an airline ID, and was working. When I told
the TSA idiot that I had access to a rather menacing looking crash axe on
the flight deck, he said it didn't matter, he was just doing his job. WTFO!
Hitman
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:17 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Security Alert
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon"
We had countless crews have to give up EVERYTHING going through security
today! So there you are on the beginning of a four day trip with now tooth
paste, hair gel (for those so inclined), mouthwash....anything liquid.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53957#53957
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