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Sat 08/12/06


Total Messages Posted: 15



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:06 AM - Re: Re: Security Alert (Ron Davis)
     2. 03:18 AM - Re: Ops Limits (Ron Davis)
     3. 05:10 AM - Re: Security Alert (Tim Gagnon)
     4. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Security Alert (Roger Kemp)
     5. 10:52 AM - Re: Ops Limits (Shinden33)
     6. 12:35 PM - Re: Ops Limits (Roger Kemp)
     7. 12:46 PM - Re: Dzus Removal (Hans Oortman 1)
     8. 01:12 PM - Re: Dzus Removal (A. Dennis Savarese)
     9. 02:07 PM - Re: Ops Limits (A. Dennis Savarese)
    10. 02:32 PM - Re: Dzus Removal (Hans Oortman 1)
    11. 03:01 PM - Plug wires (flir47)
    12. 04:30 PM - Re: Plug wires (Stephen Fox)
    13. 05:15 PM - Re: Plug wires (flir47)
    14. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Plug wires (Stephen Fox)
    15. 08:02 PM - Certification and Operating Limits (Desmor944@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:06:51 AM PST US
    From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Security Alert
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com> So in addition to the indignity of the TSA screening process, passengers will now have to face flight crews with bad hair and bad breath.... You may have to start checking your bags and hanging around the carosel for an hour after the flight like the rest of us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:17 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Security Alert > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com> > > We had countless crews have to give up EVERYTHING going through security > today! So there you are on the beginning of a four day trip with now tooth > paste, hair gel (for those so inclined), mouthwash....anything liquid. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53957#53957 > > >


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    Time: 03:18:37 AM PST US
    From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Ops Limits
    FAA order 8130.2F has a section on amended airworthiness certificates. Print out Chapter 1, section 2, page 18 & 19 of (change 2, dated 8/9/06) , get all of the things it requires and take those papers and the order to the office for a sit down. Firmly and politely explain to this that is what is required for an amended airworthiness certificate. You are required to submit a new 8130-6, application for airworthiness certificate. Note paragraph (6). On the congested area issue, ask to see the FAA's legal definition of "congested area". There is none, and absent one tell them that it isn't possible for you provide that, and it isn't required anyway. Good Luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shinden33 To: yak-list@matparonics.com Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:43 AM Subject: Yak-List: Ops Limits All, I submitted for ops limits when I got my Yak in January. I still don't have them and the Van Nuys FSDO just got back to me in that last week after months of pestering with an unruly list of things they need. First they want an application for an airworthiness certificate. The airplane already has an airworthiness certificate. They want me to give them a map depicting all of the local densely populated areas. They want copies of my Phase 1 paperwork. They want copies of my W&B paperwork. When I started this all they asked for was a copy of the old ops limits and a request for new ones. I don't think they are handling this situation correctly. Can anyone shed some light/experiences. Scott


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    Time: 05:10:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Security Alert
    From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com> L39parts(at)hotmail.com wrote: > > > You may have to start checking your bags and hanging around the carosel for > an hour after the flight like the rest of us. > > --- They have thought about that but "uncommon" common sense prevailed at the TSA and now crew are exempt from the new rules WHILE in uniform. If we would have checked our bags, we would have had to pick them at the carousel then had to recheck them again for the next flight then pick them back up and so on and so on...with 25 minutes between flight and switching airplanes all the damn time, it simply made ZERO sense. There are two ways to indentify an airline pilot (other than the terminal strut in their ray-ban aviators), one is the uniform (easily bought anywhere) and the other is a company issued ID. So, now if your are in uniform with an ID you are good to go, if you are NOT in uniform but still have the ID you have to give up the tooth past and mouthwash. Does not make much sense to me. The uniform is really what they are looking for but yet the uniform is the easiest to duplicate...hmmmmm. Well for those traveling soon, pay attention to the new rules and be nice to the TSA (Thousands Standing Around) folks. It will make your trip through security a little easier. Most importantly, do not take it out on your flight crew, it is not our fault and will only make your flight miserable. We go through security countless times and pretty much get the same treatment. It sucks for us too! You could always fly a Yak or CJ to your destination! Anything for some flight time! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54349#54349


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    Time: 06:46:14 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Security Alert
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > You could always fly a Yak or CJ to your destination! Anything for some flight time. Yes, but you guys that feed your families off of the bones that the Management throws to you would be living on a lot lower income if we all did that. Not that 300 YAK/CJ drivers are going to make a big difference. But as you said, I already do that as often as I can. Ironically, with the fuel prices where they are now going commercial for anything over 600 nm is more economical! You are right though. Anything for flight time! A bad day with air under your ass if better than the best day in my office! Doc


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    Time: 10:52:13 AM PST US
    From: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Ops Limits
    Did anyone have to define a densely populated area by sending in map with those areas defined? S -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Davis Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:17 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ops Limits FAA order 8130.2F has a section on amended airworthiness certificates. Print out Chapter 1, section 2, page 18 & 19 of (change 2, dated 8/9/06) , get all of the things it requires and take those papers and the order to the office for a sit down. Firmly and politely explain to this that is what is required for an amended airworthiness certificate. You are required to submit a new 8130-6, application for airworthiness certificate. Note paragraph (6). On the congested area issue, ask to see the FAA's legal definition of "congested area". There is none, and absent one tell them that it isn't possible for you provide that, and it isn't required anyway. Good Luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shinden33 To: yak-list@matparonics.com Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:43 AM Subject: Yak-List: Ops Limits All, I submitted for ops limits when I got my Yak in January. I still don't have them and the Van Nuys FSDO just got back to me in that last week after months of pestering with an unruly list of things they need. First they want an application for an airworthiness certificate. The airplane already has an airworthiness certificate. They want me to give them a map depicting all of the local densely populated areas. They want copies of my Phase 1 paperwork. They want copies of my W&B paperwork. When I started this all they asked for was a copy of the old ops limits and a request for new ones. I don't think they are handling this situation correctly. Can anyone shed some light/experiences. Scott


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    Time: 12:35:24 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Ops Limits
    I have not. Do have to have a map with 300 nm scribed on it with all the documents we have to carry in the cockpit. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: Shinden33 Sent: 8/12/2006 1:02:04 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Ops Limits Did anyone have to define a densely populated area by sending in map with those areas defined? S -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Davis Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:17 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ops Limits FAA order 8130.2F has a section on amended airworthiness certificates. Print out Chapter 1, section 2, page 18 & 19 of (change 2, dated 8/9/06) , get all of the things it requires and take those papers and the order to the office for a sit down. Firmly and politely explain to this that is what is required for an amended airworthiness certificate. You are required to submit a new 8130-6, application for airworthiness certificate. Note paragraph (6). On the congested area issue, ask to see the FAA's legal definition of "congested area". There is none, and absent one tell them that it isn't possible for you provide that, and it isn't required anyway. Good Luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shinden33 Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:43 AM Subject: Yak-List: Ops Limits All, I submitted for ops limits when I got my Yak in January. I still don't have them and the Van Nuys FSDO just got back to me in that last week after months of pestering with an unruly list of things they need. First they want an application for an airworthiness certificate. The airplane already has an airworthiness certificate. They want me to give them a map depicting all of the local densely populated areas. They want copies of my Phase 1 paperwork. They want copies of my W&B paperwork. When I started this all they asked for was a copy of the old ops limits and a request for new ones. I don't think they are handling this situation correctly. Can anyone shed some light/experiences. Scott


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    Time: 12:46:34 PM PST US
    From: "Hans Oortman 1" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
    Subject: Dzus Removal
    Guys, By now I have checked about 5 vocabulary books to find the word DZUS. It may sound stupid, but can anybody explain to me what the h...the word means???? Thanks! Hans _____ Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens ggg6@att.net Verzonden: zaterdag 12 augustus 2006 2:33 Aan: yak-list@matronics.com Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: Dzus Removal Craig: Gary Gabbard here, I just took about a hundred dzuses out of the sheet metal on a Stearman, and the tool and the process that Doug discribed is the exact process I had to use to get them out... Gary -------------- Original message from "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>: -------------- Craig, The only way I have been able to do the job is to buy a pair of side cutters that has enough meat in the jaws to grind one side perfectly flat so that you end up with a very fine flat (and very sharp) edge. Place the cutters flat edge down and allow the sharp edges to go under the soft alu collar. Next work around the Duz, pinching off the alu collar as you go around. I do have the proper Chinese Duz fasteners if you need them. When restoring the Miniyak I noticed the all the slots on the stock aircraft were in line with the slip stream. When I attempted to replace the rusted Duz fasteners with US fasteners I found that now all the slots were 90 degrees to the slip stream. A very small point that I am sure no one would notice, but I wanted it to be "as per". Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:17 AM Subject: Yak-List: Dzus Removal I hate to interrupt all the fun on the 'list lately but does anyone have a slick way of removing Dzus grommets that crimp the studs? Looks like a hacksaw job otherwise. Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com


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    Time: 01:12:59 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Dzus Removal
    Hans, http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/dzus.htm The 1/4 turn fasteners that hold the fuel tank covers on the wings are called Dzus fasteners. Hope this helps. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Oortman 1 To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Dzus Removal Guys, By now I have checked about 5 vocabulary books to find the word DZUS. It may sound stupid, but can anybody explain to me what the h...the word means???? Thanks! Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens ggg6@att.net Verzonden: zaterdag 12 augustus 2006 2:33 Aan: yak-list@matronics.com Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: Dzus Removal Craig: Gary Gabbard here, I just took about a hundred dzuses out of the sheet metal on a Stearman, and the tool and the process that Doug discribed is the exact process I had to use to get them out... Gary -------------- Original message from "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>: -------------- Craig, The only way I have been able to do the job is to buy a pair of side cutters that has enough meat in the jaws to grind one side perfectly flat so that you end up with a very fine flat (and very sharp) edge. Place the cutters flat edge down and allow the sharp edges to go under the soft alu collar. Next work around the Duz, pinching off the alu collar as you go around. I do have the proper Chinese Duz fasteners if you need them. When restoring the Miniyak I noticed the all the slots on the stock aircraft were in line with the slip stream. When I attempted to replace the rusted Duz fasteners with US fasteners I found that now all the slots were 90 degrees to the slip stream. A very small point that I am sure no one would notice, but I wanted it to be "as per". Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:17 AM To: yak-list Subject: Yak-List: Dzus =ashBack] Removal I hate to interrupt all the fun on the 'list lately but does anyone have a slick way of removing Dzus grommets that crimp the studs? Looks like a hacksaw job otherwise. Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com


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    Time: 02:07:44 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Ops Limits
    Scott, I am not familiar with nor have I been asked to define a densely populated area on a map before. Usually the inspector marks the densely populated areas on a map for you and marks out the departure and arrival routes to your home base airport. You may want to do what Ron Davis suggested and that is to ask the inspector for the FAA's definition of "densely populated area" and could he possibly help you define these areas? The only thing that I have been able to find with regard to defining a densely populated area which is rather obscure is in 8700.1; http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/examiners_inspectors/8700/volume2/medi a/2_102_00.pdf. I think what the inspector is actually asking you to do is to show him the densely populated area and what your departure and arrival routes through or around those densely populated areas to and from your home base airport. FWIW - Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Shinden33 To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 12:50 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Ops Limits Did anyone have to define a densely populated area by sending in map with those areas defined? S -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Davis Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:17 AM To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ops [LashBack] Limits FAA order 8130.2F has a section on amended airworthiness certificates. Print out Chapter 1, section 2, page 18 & 19 of (change 2, dated 8/9/06) , get all of the things it requires and take those papers and the order to the office for a sit down. Firmly and politely explain to this that is what is required for an amended airworthiness certificate. You are required to submit a new 8130-6, application for airworthiness certificate. Note paragraph (6). On the congested area issue, ask to see the FAA's legal definition of "congested area". There is none, and absent one tell them that it isn't possible for you provide that, and it isn't required anyway. Good Luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shinden33 To: yak-list@matparonics.com Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:43 AM Subject: Yak-List: Ops =ashBack] Limits All, I submitted for ops limits when I got my Yak in January. I still don't have them and the Van Nuys FSDO just got back to me in that last week after months of pestering with an unruly list of things they need. First they want an application for an airworthiness certificate. The airplane already has an airworthiness certificate. They want me to give them a map depicting all of the local densely populated areas. They want copies of my Phase 1 paperwork. They want copies of my W&B paperwork. When I started this all they asked for was a copy of the old ops limits and a request for new ones. I don't think they are handling this situation correctly. Can anyone shed some light/experiences. Scott


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    Time: 02:32:47 PM PST US
    From: "Hans Oortman 1" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
    Subject: Dzus Removal
    Thanks Dennis, I really didn't know...now I know what they are: I can use a few (3).where can I get them?? Hans _____ Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese Verzonden: zaterdag 12 augustus 2006 22:11 Aan: yak-list@matronics.com Onderwerp: Re: Yak-List: Dzus Removal Hans, http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/dzus.htm The 1/4 turn fasteners that hold the fuel tank covers on the wings are called Dzus fasteners. Hope this helps. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Hans Oortman 1 <mailto:pa3arw@euronet.nl> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:44 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Dzus Removal Guys, By now I have checked about 5 vocabulary books to find the word DZUS. It may sound stupid, but can anybody explain to me what the h...the word means???? Thanks! Hans _____ Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens ggg6@att.net Verzonden: zaterdag 12 augustus 2006 2:33 Aan: yak-list@matronics.com Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: Dzus Removal Craig: Gary Gabbard here, I just took about a hundred dzuses out of the sheet metal on a Stearman, and the tool and the process that Doug discribed is the exact process I had to use to get them out... Gary -------------- Original message from "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>: -------------- Craig, The only way I have been able to do the job is to buy a pair of side cutters that has enough meat in the jaws to grind one side perfectly flat so that you end up with a very fine flat (and very sharp) edge. Place the cutters flat edge down and allow the sharp edges to go under the soft alu collar. Next work around the Duz, pinching off the alu collar as you go around. I do have the proper Chinese Duz fasteners if you need them. When restoring the Miniyak I noticed the all the slots on the stock aircraft were in line with the slip stream. When I attempted to replace the rusted Duz fasteners with US fasteners I found that now all the slots were 90 degrees to the slip stream. A very small point that I am sure no one would notice, but I wanted it to be "as per". Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:17 AM Subject: Yak-List: Dzus =ashBack] Removal I hate to interrupt all the fun on the 'list lately but does anyone have a slick way of removing Dzus grommets that crimp the studs? Looks like a hacksaw job otherwise. Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com


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    Time: 03:01:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Plug wires
    From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net> Can anyone give me some sources for replacement plug wires on my 52? I would prefer same o.d as old ones. Looks like fishing it thru..... is in true Russian tool shed fashion..... [Rolling Eyes] Thanks! -------- It's not a real world war untill France surenders! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54439#54439


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    Time: 04:30:00 PM PST US
    From: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: Plug wires
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net> Make the change to auto plugs and wired form Dennis. You'll be glad you did. Steve Fox On Aug 12, 2006, at 5:59 PM, flir47 wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net> > > Can anyone give me some sources for replacement plug wires on my 52? > I would prefer same o.d as old ones. Looks like fishing it > thru..... is in true Russian tool shed fashion..... [Rolling Eyes] > Thanks! > > -------- > It's not a real world war untill France surenders! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54439#54439 > >


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    Time: 05:15:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Plug wires
    From: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net> Thanks for the idea. But.. I would like to keep the old style set up. What I need is the name of a supplier that sells the weed whacker HT cable. At least thats what it looks like. Im assuming that someone has obtained it in the past?????? -------- It's not a real world war untill France surenders! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54460#54460


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    Time: 05:23:27 PM PST US
    From: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: Plug wires
    On Aug 12, 2006, at 8:13 PM, flir47 wrote: > Thanks for the idea. But.. I would like to keep the old style > set up. What I need is the name of a supplier that sells the weed > whacker HT cable. At least that=99s what it looks like. I=99 m > assuming that someone has obtained it in the past?????? > Try George Coy 802-868-5633. But if you want a better running and a happier engine loosing the Russian wires and expensive plugs is the way to go.


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    Time: 08:02:37 PM PST US
    From: Desmor944@aol.com
    Subject: Certification and Operating Limits
    Gang, There has been much discussion lately about dealing with an unknowing / unresponsive FSDO where Airworthiness Certification and Operating Limitations are involved. With the collective wisdom of this list, I am surprised that no one has suggested that THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE. Seek out the services of a Designated Airworthiness Representative (DAR)! Yes, this will cost some money, but what is your time and aggravation worth? We are fortunate that there is a very "Red Star" friendly DAR here in New England. Among the many functions Jeff Mandeville is authorized by the FAA to perform are to issue original & recurrent Special Airworthiness Certificates in the Experimental-Exhibition Category. Some of Jeff's more recent activities have involved Yak-52, Yak 18T, L-29, L-39C, Fouga CM-170 and Pitts-S12. He is also quite familiar with my CJ-6A. When I asked about his availability to travel, this is the e-mail response I received. "I am willing to do the certification inspections just about anywhere, however, I have to request permission from my FAA office to work outside of New England, and they are required to coordinate with the local FAA office where I am performing the inspection." He also included, "Feel free to have anyone give me a call for information, or if they have any questions having to do with any of the FAA regulations pertaining to these aircraft." Jeff is an all-around good guy, Vietnam veteran, and is currently working towards his Private Pilot certificate, having recently soloed in his Kit Fox. He is definitely on our side and worthy of our support. I will be meeting him for breakfast on Sunday morning, and will let him know I made this post. His contact information is as follows: Jeffrey G. Mandeville 9 Herring Run Road East Sandwich, MA 02537 (508) 888-8878 e-mail: flyerfifty@aol.com Rich Desmond




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