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1. 03:06 AM - Re: Re: Security Alert (Ron Davis)
2. 03:18 AM - Re: Ops Limits (Ron Davis)
3. 05:10 AM - Re: Security Alert (Tim Gagnon)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Security Alert (Roger Kemp)
5. 10:52 AM - Re: Ops Limits (Shinden33)
6. 12:35 PM - Re: Ops Limits (Roger Kemp)
7. 12:46 PM - Re: Dzus Removal (Hans Oortman 1)
8. 01:12 PM - Re: Dzus Removal (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 02:07 PM - Re: Ops Limits (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 02:32 PM - Re: Dzus Removal (Hans Oortman 1)
11. 03:01 PM - Plug wires (flir47)
12. 04:30 PM - Re: Plug wires (Stephen Fox)
13. 05:15 PM - Re: Plug wires (flir47)
14. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Plug wires (Stephen Fox)
15. 08:02 PM - Certification and Operating Limits (Desmor944@aol.com)
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Subject: | Re: Security Alert |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
So in addition to the indignity of the TSA screening process, passengers
will now have to face flight crews with bad hair and bad breath....
You may have to start checking your bags and hanging around the carosel for
an hour after the flight like the rest of us.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Security Alert
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> We had countless crews have to give up EVERYTHING going through security
> today! So there you are on the beginning of a four day trip with now tooth
> paste, hair gel (for those so inclined), mouthwash....anything liquid.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=53957#53957
>
>
>
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FAA order 8130.2F has a section on amended airworthiness certificates.
Print out Chapter 1, section 2, page 18 & 19 of (change 2, dated 8/9/06)
, get all of the things it requires and take those papers and the order
to the office for a sit down. Firmly and politely explain to this that
is what is required for an amended airworthiness certificate.
You are required to submit a new 8130-6, application for airworthiness
certificate. Note paragraph (6). On the congested area issue, ask to
see the FAA's legal definition of "congested area". There is none, and
absent one tell them that it isn't possible for you provide that, and it
isn't required anyway.
Good Luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: Shinden33
To: yak-list@matparonics.com
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:43 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Ops Limits
All,
I submitted for ops limits when I got my Yak in January. I still
don't have them and the Van Nuys FSDO just got back to me in that last
week after months of pestering with an unruly list of things they need.
First they want an application for an airworthiness certificate. The
airplane already has an airworthiness certificate. They want me to give
them a map depicting all of the local densely populated areas. They
want copies of my Phase 1 paperwork. They want copies of my W&B
paperwork. When I started this all they asked for was a copy of the old
ops limits and a request for new ones. I don't think they are handling
this situation correctly. Can anyone shed some light/experiences.
Scott
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Subject: | Re: Security Alert |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
L39parts(at)hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> You may have to start checking your bags and hanging around the carosel for
> an hour after the flight like the rest of us.
>
> ---
They have thought about that but "uncommon" common sense prevailed at the TSA and
now crew are exempt from the new rules WHILE in uniform.
If we would have checked our bags, we would have had to pick them at the carousel
then had to recheck them again for the next flight then pick them back up and
so on and so on...with 25 minutes between flight and switching airplanes all
the damn time, it simply made ZERO sense.
There are two ways to indentify an airline pilot (other than the terminal strut
in their ray-ban aviators), one is the uniform (easily bought anywhere) and
the other is a company issued ID. So, now if your are in uniform with an ID you
are good to go, if you are NOT in uniform but still have the ID you have to
give up the tooth past and mouthwash. Does not make much sense to me. The uniform
is really what they are looking for but yet the uniform is the easiest to
duplicate...hmmmmm.
Well for those traveling soon, pay attention to the new rules and be nice to the
TSA (Thousands Standing Around) folks. It will make your trip through security
a little easier. Most importantly, do not take it out on your flight crew,
it is not our fault and will only make your flight miserable. We go through security
countless times and pretty much get the same treatment. It sucks for us
too!
You could always fly a Yak or CJ to your destination! Anything for some flight
time!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54349#54349
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Subject: | Re: Security Alert |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> You could always fly a Yak or CJ to your destination! Anything for some
flight time.
Yes, but you guys that feed your families off of the bones that the
Management throws to you would be living on a lot lower income if we all
did that. Not that 300 YAK/CJ drivers are going to make a big difference.
But as you said, I already do that as often as I can. Ironically, with the
fuel prices where they are now going commercial for anything over 600 nm is
more economical!
You are right though. Anything for flight time! A bad day with air under
your ass if better than the best day in my office!
Doc
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Did anyone have to define a densely populated area by sending in map with
those areas defined?
S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Davis
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:17 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ops Limits
FAA order 8130.2F has a section on amended airworthiness certificates.
Print out Chapter 1, section 2, page 18 & 19 of (change 2, dated 8/9/06) ,
get all of the things it requires and take those papers and the order to the
office for a sit down. Firmly and politely explain to this that is what is
required for an amended airworthiness certificate.
You are required to submit a new 8130-6, application for airworthiness
certificate. Note paragraph (6). On the congested area issue, ask to see
the FAA's legal definition of "congested area". There is none, and absent
one tell them that it isn't possible for you provide that, and it isn't
required anyway.
Good Luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: Shinden33
To: yak-list@matparonics.com
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:43 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Ops Limits
All,
I submitted for ops limits when I got my Yak in January. I still don't
have them and the Van Nuys FSDO just got back to me in that last week after
months of pestering with an unruly list of things they need. First they
want an application for an airworthiness certificate. The airplane already
has an airworthiness certificate. They want me to give them a map depicting
all of the local densely populated areas. They want copies of my Phase 1
paperwork. They want copies of my W&B paperwork. When I started this all
they asked for was a copy of the old ops limits and a request for new ones.
I don't think they are handling this situation correctly. Can anyone shed
some light/experiences.
Scott
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I have not. Do have to have a map with 300 nm scribed on it with all the documents
we have to carry in the cockpit.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Shinden33
Sent: 8/12/2006 1:02:04 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Ops Limits
Did anyone have to define a densely populated area by sending in map with those
areas defined?
S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Davis
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ops Limits
FAA order 8130.2F has a section on amended airworthiness certificates. Print out
Chapter 1, section 2, page 18 & 19 of (change 2, dated 8/9/06) , get all of
the things it requires and take those papers and the order to the office for
a sit down. Firmly and politely explain to this that is what is required for
an amended airworthiness certificate.
You are required to submit a new 8130-6, application for airworthiness certificate.
Note paragraph (6). On the congested area issue, ask to see the FAA's legal
definition of "congested area". There is none, and absent one tell them
that it isn't possible for you provide that, and it isn't required anyway.
Good Luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: Shinden33
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:43 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Ops Limits
All,
I submitted for ops limits when I got my Yak in January. I still don't have them
and the Van Nuys FSDO just got back to me in that last week after months of
pestering with an unruly list of things they need. First they want an application
for an airworthiness certificate. The airplane already has an airworthiness
certificate. They want me to give them a map depicting all of the local
densely populated areas. They want copies of my Phase 1 paperwork. They want
copies of my W&B paperwork. When I started this all they asked for was a copy
of the old ops limits and a request for new ones. I don't think they are handling
this situation correctly. Can anyone shed some light/experiences.
Scott
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Guys,
By now I have checked about 5 vocabulary books to find the word DZUS. It may
sound stupid, but can anybody explain to me what the h...the word means????
Thanks!
Hans
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Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens ggg6@att.net
Verzonden: zaterdag 12 augustus 2006 2:33
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: Dzus Removal
Craig:
Gary Gabbard here, I just took about a hundred dzuses out of the
sheet metal on a Stearman, and the tool and the process that Doug discribed
is the exact process I had to use to get them out...
Gary
-------------- Original message from "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>:
--------------
Craig,
The only way I have been able to do the job is to buy a pair of side cutters
that has enough meat in the jaws to grind one side perfectly flat so that
you end up with a very fine flat (and very sharp) edge. Place the cutters
flat edge down and allow the sharp edges to go under the soft alu collar.
Next work around the Duz, pinching off the alu collar as you go around.
I do have the proper Chinese Duz fasteners if you need them. When restoring
the Miniyak I noticed the all the slots on the stock aircraft were in line
with the slip stream. When I attempted to replace the rusted Duz fasteners
with US fasteners I found that now all the slots were 90 degrees to the slip
stream. A very small point that I am sure no one would notice, but I wanted
it to be "as per".
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:17 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Dzus Removal
I hate to interrupt all the fun on the 'list lately but does anyone have a
slick way of removing Dzus grommets that crimp the studs? Looks like a
hacksaw job otherwise.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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Subject: | Re: Dzus Removal |
Hans,
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/dzus.htm
The 1/4 turn fasteners that hold the fuel tank covers on the wings are
called Dzus fasteners. Hope this helps.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Oortman 1
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Dzus Removal
Guys,
By now I have checked about 5 vocabulary books to find the word DZUS.
It may sound stupid, but can anybody explain to me what the h...the word
means????
Thanks!
Hans
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Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens ggg6@att.net
Verzonden: zaterdag 12 augustus 2006 2:33
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: Dzus Removal
Craig:
Gary Gabbard here, I just took about a hundred dzuses out of
the sheet metal on a Stearman, and the tool and the process that Doug
discribed is the exact process I had to use to get them out...
Gary
-------------- Original message from "doug sapp"
<rvfltd@televar.com>: --------------
Craig,
The only way I have been able to do the job is to buy a pair of side
cutters that has enough meat in the jaws to grind one side perfectly
flat so that you end up with a very fine flat (and very sharp) edge.
Place the cutters flat edge down and allow the sharp edges to go under
the soft alu collar. Next work around the Duz, pinching off the alu
collar as you go around.
I do have the proper Chinese Duz fasteners if you need them. When
restoring the Miniyak I noticed the all the slots on the stock aircraft
were in line with the slip stream. When I attempted to replace the
rusted Duz fasteners with US fasteners I found that now all the slots
were 90 degrees to the slip stream. A very small point that I am sure
no one would notice, but I wanted it to be "as per".
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:17 AM
To: yak-list
Subject: Yak-List: Dzus =ashBack] Removal
I hate to interrupt all the fun on the 'list lately but does
anyone have a slick way of removing Dzus grommets that crimp the studs?
Looks like a hacksaw job otherwise.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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Scott,
I am not familiar with nor have I been asked to define a densely
populated area on a map before. Usually the inspector marks the densely
populated areas on a map for you and marks out the departure and arrival
routes to your home base airport. You may want to do what Ron Davis
suggested and that is to ask the inspector for the FAA's definition of
"densely populated area" and could he possibly help you define these
areas?
The only thing that I have been able to find with regard to defining a
densely populated area which is rather obscure is in 8700.1;
http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/examiners_inspectors/8700/volume2/medi
a/2_102_00.pdf. I think what the inspector is actually asking you to
do is to show him the densely populated area and what your departure and
arrival routes through or around those densely populated areas to and
from your home base airport.
FWIW -
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Shinden33
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Ops Limits
Did anyone have to define a densely populated area by sending in map
with those areas defined?
S
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Davis
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 3:17 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Ops [LashBack] Limits
FAA order 8130.2F has a section on amended airworthiness
certificates. Print out Chapter 1, section 2, page 18 & 19 of (change
2, dated 8/9/06) , get all of the things it requires and take those
papers and the order to the office for a sit down. Firmly and politely
explain to this that is what is required for an amended airworthiness
certificate.
You are required to submit a new 8130-6, application for
airworthiness certificate. Note paragraph (6). On the congested area
issue, ask to see the FAA's legal definition of "congested area". There
is none, and absent one tell them that it isn't possible for you provide
that, and it isn't required anyway.
Good Luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: Shinden33
To: yak-list@matparonics.com
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 12:43 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Ops =ashBack] Limits
All,
I submitted for ops limits when I got my Yak in January. I still
don't have them and the Van Nuys FSDO just got back to me in that last
week after months of pestering with an unruly list of things they need.
First they want an application for an airworthiness certificate. The
airplane already has an airworthiness certificate. They want me to give
them a map depicting all of the local densely populated areas. They
want copies of my Phase 1 paperwork. They want copies of my W&B
paperwork. When I started this all they asked for was a copy of the old
ops limits and a request for new ones. I don't think they are handling
this situation correctly. Can anyone shed some light/experiences.
Scott
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Thanks Dennis, I really didn't know...now I know what they are: I can use a
few (3).where can I get them??
Hans
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Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens A. Dennis Savarese
Verzonden: zaterdag 12 augustus 2006 22:11
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: Re: Yak-List: Dzus Removal
Hans,
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/dzus.htm
The 1/4 turn fasteners that hold the fuel tank covers on the wings are
called Dzus fasteners. Hope this helps.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Oortman 1 <mailto:pa3arw@euronet.nl>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Dzus Removal
Guys,
By now I have checked about 5 vocabulary books to find the word DZUS. It may
sound stupid, but can anybody explain to me what the h...the word means????
Thanks!
Hans
_____
Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens ggg6@att.net
Verzonden: zaterdag 12 augustus 2006 2:33
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: Dzus Removal
Craig:
Gary Gabbard here, I just took about a hundred dzuses out of the
sheet metal on a Stearman, and the tool and the process that Doug discribed
is the exact process I had to use to get them out...
Gary
-------------- Original message from "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>:
--------------
Craig,
The only way I have been able to do the job is to buy a pair of side cutters
that has enough meat in the jaws to grind one side perfectly flat so that
you end up with a very fine flat (and very sharp) edge. Place the cutters
flat edge down and allow the sharp edges to go under the soft alu collar.
Next work around the Duz, pinching off the alu collar as you go around.
I do have the proper Chinese Duz fasteners if you need them. When restoring
the Miniyak I noticed the all the slots on the stock aircraft were in line
with the slip stream. When I attempted to replace the rusted Duz fasteners
with US fasteners I found that now all the slots were 90 degrees to the slip
stream. A very small point that I am sure no one would notice, but I wanted
it to be "as per".
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 4:17 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Dzus =ashBack] Removal
I hate to interrupt all the fun on the 'list lately but does anyone have a
slick way of removing Dzus grommets that crimp the studs? Looks like a
hacksaw job otherwise.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Can anyone give me some sources for replacement plug wires on my 52?
I would prefer same o.d as old ones. Looks like fishing it thru..... is in true
Russian tool shed fashion..... [Rolling Eyes] Thanks!
--------
It's not a real world war untill France surenders!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54439#54439
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
Make the change to auto plugs and wired form Dennis. You'll be glad
you did.
Steve Fox
On Aug 12, 2006, at 5:59 PM, flir47 wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
>
> Can anyone give me some sources for replacement plug wires on my 52?
> I would prefer same o.d as old ones. Looks like fishing it
> thru..... is in true Russian tool shed fashion..... [Rolling Eyes]
> Thanks!
>
> --------
> It's not a real world war untill France surenders!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54439#54439
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "flir47" <me262pilot@comcast.net>
Thanks for the idea. But.. I would like to keep the old style set up. What I need
is the name of a supplier that sells the weed whacker HT cable. At least thats
what it looks like. Im assuming that someone has obtained it in the past??????
--------
It's not a real world war untill France surenders!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=54460#54460
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On Aug 12, 2006, at 8:13 PM, flir47 wrote:
> Thanks for the idea. But.. I would like to keep the old style
> set up. What I need is the name of a supplier that sells the weed
> whacker HT cable. At least that=99s what it looks like. I=99
m
> assuming that someone has obtained it in the past??????
>
Try George Coy 802-868-5633.
But if you want a better running and a happier engine loosing the
Russian wires and expensive plugs is the way to go.
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Subject: | Certification and Operating Limits |
Gang,
There has been much discussion lately about dealing with an unknowing /
unresponsive FSDO where Airworthiness Certification and Operating Limitations are
involved. With the collective wisdom of this list, I am surprised that no one
has suggested that THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE. Seek out the services of a
Designated Airworthiness Representative (DAR)! Yes, this will cost some money,
but
what is your time and aggravation worth?
We are fortunate that there is a very "Red Star" friendly DAR here in New
England. Among the many functions Jeff Mandeville is authorized by the FAA to
perform are to issue original & recurrent Special Airworthiness Certificates in
the Experimental-Exhibition Category. Some of Jeff's more recent activities
have involved Yak-52, Yak 18T, L-29, L-39C, Fouga CM-170 and Pitts-S12. He is
also quite familiar with my CJ-6A.
When I asked about his availability to travel, this is the e-mail response I
received. "I am willing to do the certification inspections just about
anywhere, however, I have to request permission from my FAA office to work outside
of New England, and they are required to coordinate with the local FAA office
where I am performing the inspection." He also included, "Feel free to have
anyone give me a call for information, or if they have any questions having to
do with any of the FAA regulations pertaining to these aircraft."
Jeff is an all-around good guy, Vietnam veteran, and is currently working
towards his Private Pilot certificate, having recently soloed in his Kit Fox.
He
is definitely on our side and worthy of our support. I will be meeting him
for breakfast on Sunday morning, and will let him know I made this post. His
contact information is as follows:
Jeffrey G. Mandeville
9 Herring Run Road
East Sandwich, MA 02537
(508) 888-8878
e-mail: flyerfifty@aol.com
Rich Desmond
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