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1. 04:13 AM - Re: Kimball Clean Kit (KJKimball@aol.com)
2. 08:27 AM - My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors (Ernie)
3. 09:24 AM - Re: My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors (doug sapp)
4. 10:39 AM - Re: My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors (David McGirt)
5. 01:21 PM - Re: Kimball Clean Kit (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
6. 01:34 PM - Re: nav and strobe wire (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
7. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: nav and strobe wire (Genzlinger, Reade)
8. 04:46 PM - Re: Kimball Clean Kit (KJKimball@aol.com)
9. 04:59 PM - Re: Kimball Clean Kit (Jim Shafer)
10. 05:34 PM - Re: Kimball Clean Kit (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 07:06 PM - Wilga (Francis Butler)
12. 07:20 PM - Re: Wilga (A. Dennis Savarese)
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| Subject: | Re: Kimball Clean Kit |
David,
Here is a link to the page on our website which shows the various items we
have developed and offer for the M14 engine. All these items were originally
developed for the Pitts model 12. As you can see, the page is listed as the
moose support page because we offer these items to Murphy Moose builders as
well. Yes, you can use the oil safety switch on an electric start engine to
prevent starting without the oil valve fully open.
_moose support page_
(http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/h_support_moose.html)
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball,
VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
_www.jimkimballenterprises.com_ (http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/)
_www.pittsmodel12.com_ (http://www.pittsmodel12.com/)
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| Subject: | My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" <erniel29@gmail.com>
I've decided to put my CJ up on E-Bay Motors with a no reserve price.
Thanks
Ernie
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| Subject: | My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors |
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Looked but could not find it. Checked CJ6A, Nanchang, Yak, all with no
luck.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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I've decided to put my CJ up on E-Bay Motors with a no reserve price.
Thanks
Ernie
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| Subject: | My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors |
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Looked but could not find it. Checked CJ6A, Nanchang, Yak, all with no
luck.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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I've decided to put my CJ up on E-Bay Motors with a no reserve price.
Thanks
Ernie
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| Subject: | Kimball Clean Kit |
And the oil safety valve will work perfectly UNLESS:
1. You are out of air and decide to prop the engine, which sooner or
later all of us will do.
2. Use the manual selector valve handle on the start solanoid.
Please do not misunderstand me. I think Kevin's product is noteworthy
and I will eventually buy one myself and install it. PLUS, the current
installation methods include safety designs to prevent engine
damage/loss, (such as the mentioned oil safety switch) but they are not
fool-proof.
The ONLY method I can think of that would be 100% effective would be to
tie the MAG P-Leads into this switch, would would automatically ground
them if the oil valve was closed, thus totally preventing engine
start... and of course that adds the potential of other things going
wrong.
Just being the Devil's Advocate here... as I said, I think the valve is
great.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
KJKimball@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:13
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Kimball Clean Kit
David,
Here is a link to the page on our website which shows the various items
we have developed and offer for the M14 engine. All these items were
originally developed for the Pitts model 12. As you can see, the page
is listed as the moose support page because we offer these items to
Murphy Moose builders as well. Yes, you can use the oil safety switch
on an electric start engine to prevent starting without the oil valve
fully open.
moose support page
<http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/h_support_moose.html>
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
www.jimkimballenterprises.com <http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/>
www.pittsmodel12.com <http://www.pittsmodel12.com/>
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| Subject: | Re: nav and strobe wire |
Gentlemen:
I am assembling a YAK 52 I just acquired and I need to get strobe/nav
wire through the wings prior to installing the wings to fuselage. What
are recommendations to do this? Through leading edge or through the
inspection hole. Should the wire be put into some type of flexible
tubing?
thanks
Robert Schwartz
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| Subject: | Re: nav and strobe wire |
Robert:
I fished the cables for the Wheelen nav/strobe units via a 1/2" schedule 40
pvc pipe anchored at the flap bay, mid wing inspection plate and at the wing
tip. The pvc does not touch any moving part, does not vibrate or rattle.
The three points of attachment (adel clamps) seem quite adequate - it has
been in place for about 500 hours of fairly aggressive operation.
I ran the cables through the flap bay - as I recall there are holes or gaps
in the structure that work nicely. I used a combination of silicone and tie
wraps to secure. I installed rubber grommets where I entered the fuselage.
There is a perfect mounting area for the power pack in the left wing
accessible when you remove the lower wing fairing (yes all 12 dozen
screws!).
I would be glad to try some pictures this weekend if you want.
Reade
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From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ [mailto:schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: nav and strobe wire
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Gentlemen:
I am assembling a YAK 52 I just acquired and I need to get strobe/nav wire
through the wings prior to installing the wings to fuselage. What are
recommendations to do this? Through leading edge or through the
inspection hole. Should the wire be put into some type of flexible tubing?
thanks
Robert Schwartz
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=750285020-25082006>I fished
the cables for
the Wheelen nav/strobe units via a 1/2" schedule 40 pvc pipe anchored
at the
flap bay, mid wing inspection plate and at the wing tip. The pvc
does not
touch any moving part, does not vibrate or rattle. The
three points
of attachment (adel clamps) seem quite adequate - it has been
in place
for about 500 hours of fairly aggressive operation.</SPAN></DIV>
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class=750285020-25082006></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=750285020-25082006>I ran the
cables through
the flap bay - as I recall there are holes or gaps in the
structure that
work nicely. I used a combination of silicone and tie wraps to
secure. I installed rubber grommets where I entered the
fuselage.
There is a perfect mounting area for the power pack in the left wing
accessible
when you remove the lower wing fairing (yes all 12 dozen
screws!). </SPAN></DIV>
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August 25,
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<DIV>I am assembling a YAK 52 I just acquired and I need to get
strobe/nav
wire through the wings prior to installing the wings to fuselage.
What are
recommendations to do this? Through leading edge or
through the inspection hole. Should the wire be put
into some
type of flexible tubing?</DIV>
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<DIV>thanks</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Kimball Clean Kit |
Mark,
You are correct to point out a lack of 100% fool proof systems in airplanes.
I am not aware of a single 100% fool proof system of any kind in an
airplane including Yaks and Pitts Model 12s. Why? Pilots are human and despite
the
best efforts of designers and component developers, these flawed human
pilots still find ways to misuse, not use, and abuse systems.
Your 2 bulleted points are valid but it should be noted that an oil shut off
valve does not eliminate the oil pressure gauge which should be checked at
engine start with or without a clean kit system being installed. Airplanes
with throttle switches, buzzers, barber poles, etc., still land gear up.
I am not aware of any M14 engine loss related to an oil shut off valve and
clean kit, ours or others. Maybe someone has specific data on this to share.
I am aware of many engine losses due to hydraulic lock.
The only real method we have today is the use of check lists and forcing the
pilot to be a creature of trained habit in using various aircraft systems.
I suppose this will have to do until airplanes have full cognitive reasoning
so that they will automatically latch the door or canopy properly, set the
power, retract and extend the gear at the proper times, handle the flaps,
switch fuel tanks, fill the tanks, make sure the gas and oil caps are secure,
the
pilot cover is off and the airplane is clear of the hangar door before the
door is lowered. Of course, then there is no need for the pilot, right?
We can't make everything perfect....only progressively less bad with each
iteration. Besides, once we humans get everything in the world absolutely
correct, there would be no work for engineers, pilots, politicians, doctors, etc.
Then what will I do to earn grocery money? Airplanes will most likely be
illegal by then anyway....
Shut off valves and scavenge systems do make the M14 engine more user
friendly and less messy. However, they have to be used properly in order to be
safe.
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball,
VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
_www.jimkimballenterprises.com_ (http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/)
_www.pittsmodel12.com_ (http://www.pittsmodel12.com/)
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| Subject: | Re: Kimball Clean Kit |
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Kimball Clean Kit
And the oil safety valve will work perfectly UNLESS:
1. You are out of air and decide to prop the engine, which sooner or
later all of us will do.
2. Use the manual selector valve handle on the start solanoid.
If you wire it like Bill Blackwell does, the power to the start
solenoid is interrupted as well. Besides we always have a pilot in the
cockpit to hit the start switch, pump the primer and hold the brakes
while someone props the plane. The pilot will recognise that the oil
switch has not been moved or he will see the big red light on the panel.
Jim Shafer
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| Subject: | Re: Kimball Clean Kit |
The oil pressure relief valve in the oil pump and the spring that
applies the pressure on the valve are the primary problem with excessive
oil drain. I have seen the spring bent and also broken. Both caused
the valve not to seat. I have pulled the valve out, polished out the
groove, reinstalled it and stopped the excessive oil drain. Fix the
pressure relief valve and/or the spring and you will basically eliminate
the problem.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Kimball Clean Kit
And the oil safety valve will work perfectly UNLESS:
1. You are out of air and decide to prop the engine, which sooner or
later all of us will do.
2. Use the manual selector valve handle on the start solanoid.
Please do not misunderstand me. I think Kevin's product is noteworthy
and I will eventually buy one myself and install it. PLUS, the current
installation methods include safety designs to prevent engine
damage/loss, (such as the mentioned oil safety switch) but they are not
fool-proof.
The ONLY method I can think of that would be 100% effective would be
to tie the MAG P-Leads into this switch, would would automatically
ground them if the oil valve was closed, thus totally preventing engine
start... and of course that adds the potential of other things going
wrong.
Just being the Devil's Advocate here... as I said, I think the valve
is great.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
KJKimball@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:13
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Kimball Clean [LashBack] Kit
David,
Here is a link to the page on our website which shows the various
items we have developed and offer for the M14 engine. All these items
were originally developed for the Pitts model 12. As you can see, the
page is listed as the moose support page because we offer these items to
Murphy Moose builders as well. Yes, you can use the oil safety switch
on an electric start engine to prevent starting without the oil valve
fully open.
moose support page
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
www.jimkimballenterprises.com
www.pittsmo del12.com
.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler <francisbutler@mac.com>
Anyone on this list own a Wilga? Am looking at the new Lycoming powered wilga
2000 as seen at Oshkosh this year. Any user information on the aircraft would
be appreciated. On another note, Sold my Yak 50 today. It's going to Alabama.
Regards,
Francis Butler
701 239-4532
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Who bought it Francis?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Francis Butler" <francisbutler@mac.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:05 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Wilga
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler <francisbutler@mac.com>
>
>
> Anyone on this list own a Wilga? Am looking at the new Lycoming powered
> wilga 2000 as seen at Oshkosh this year. Any user information on the
> aircraft would be appreciated. On another note, Sold my Yak 50 today.
> It's going to Alabama.
>
>
> Regards,
> Francis Butler
> 701 239-4532
>
>
>
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