---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/25/06: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:13 AM - Re: Kimball Clean Kit (KJKimball@aol.com) 2. 08:27 AM - My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors (Ernie) 3. 09:24 AM - Re: My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors (doug sapp) 4. 10:39 AM - Re: My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors (David McGirt) 5. 01:21 PM - Re: Kimball Clean Kit (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 6. 01:34 PM - Re: nav and strobe wire (ROBERT SCHWARTZ) 7. 02:01 PM - Re: Re: nav and strobe wire (Genzlinger, Reade) 8. 04:46 PM - Re: Kimball Clean Kit (KJKimball@aol.com) 9. 04:59 PM - Re: Kimball Clean Kit (Jim Shafer) 10. 05:34 PM - Re: Kimball Clean Kit (A. Dennis Savarese) 11. 07:06 PM - Wilga (Francis Butler) 12. 07:20 PM - Re: Wilga (A. Dennis Savarese) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:43 AM PST US From: KJKimball@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Kimball Clean Kit David, Here is a link to the page on our website which shows the various items we have developed and offer for the M14 engine. All these items were originally developed for the Pitts model 12. As you can see, the page is listed as the moose support page because we offer these items to Murphy Moose builders as well. Yes, you can use the oil safety switch on an electric start engine to prevent starting without the oil valve fully open. _moose support page_ (http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/h_support_moose.html) Sincerely, Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc. PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd. Zellwood, FL 32798 407-889-3451 phone 407-889-7168 fax _www.jimkimballenterprises.com_ (http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/) _www.pittsmodel12.com_ (http://www.pittsmodel12.com/) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:13 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors From: "Ernie" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" I've decided to put my CJ up on E-Bay Motors with a no reserve price. Thanks Ernie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57259#57259 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:48 AM PST US From: "doug sapp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" Looked but could not find it. Checked CJ6A, Nanchang, Yak, all with no luck. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernie Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: Yak-List: My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" I've decided to put my CJ up on E-Bay Motors with a no reserve price. Thanks Ernie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57259#57259 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:44 AM PST US From: "David McGirt" Subject: RE: Yak-List: My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors --> Yak-List message posted by: "David McGirt" http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nanchang-CJ-6-No-Reserve_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQca tegoryZ63677QQihZ004QQitemZ140022712435QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" Looked but could not find it. Checked CJ6A, Nanchang, Yak, all with no luck. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernie Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: Yak-List: My CJ is up for Auction on EBAY-Motors --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie" I've decided to put my CJ up on E-Bay Motors with a no reserve price. Thanks Ernie Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=57259#57259 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:24 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Kimball Clean Kit From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" And the oil safety valve will work perfectly UNLESS: 1. You are out of air and decide to prop the engine, which sooner or later all of us will do. 2. Use the manual selector valve handle on the start solanoid. Please do not misunderstand me. I think Kevin's product is noteworthy and I will eventually buy one myself and install it. PLUS, the current installation methods include safety designs to prevent engine damage/loss, (such as the mentioned oil safety switch) but they are not fool-proof. The ONLY method I can think of that would be 100% effective would be to tie the MAG P-Leads into this switch, would would automatically ground them if the oil valve was closed, thus totally preventing engine start... and of course that adds the potential of other things going wrong. Just being the Devil's Advocate here... as I said, I think the valve is great. Mark Bitterlich N50YK ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KJKimball@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:13 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Kimball Clean Kit David, Here is a link to the page on our website which shows the various items we have developed and offer for the M14 engine. All these items were originally developed for the Pitts model 12. As you can see, the page is listed as the moose support page because we offer these items to Murphy Moose builders as well. Yes, you can use the oil safety switch on an electric start engine to prevent starting without the oil valve fully open. moose support page Sincerely, Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc. PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd. Zellwood, FL 32798 407-889-3451 phone 407-889-7168 fax www.jimkimballenterprises.com www.pittsmodel12.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:08 PM PST US From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Subject: Yak-List: Re: nav and strobe wire Gentlemen: I am assembling a YAK 52 I just acquired and I need to get strobe/nav wire through the wings prior to installing the wings to fuselage. What are recommendations to do this? Through leading edge or through the inspection hole. Should the wire be put into some type of flexible tubing? thanks Robert Schwartz ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:27 PM PST US From: "Genzlinger, Reade" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: nav and strobe wire Robert: I fished the cables for the Wheelen nav/strobe units via a 1/2" schedule 40 pvc pipe anchored at the flap bay, mid wing inspection plate and at the wing tip. The pvc does not touch any moving part, does not vibrate or rattle. The three points of attachment (adel clamps) seem quite adequate - it has been in place for about 500 hours of fairly aggressive operation. I ran the cables through the flap bay - as I recall there are holes or gaps in the structure that work nicely. I used a combination of silicone and tie wraps to secure. I installed rubber grommets where I entered the fuselage. There is a perfect mounting area for the power pack in the left wing accessible when you remove the lower wing fairing (yes all 12 dozen screws!). I would be glad to try some pictures this weekend if you want. Reade _____ From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ [mailto:schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: nav and strobe wire {SPAM?} Header Gentlemen: I am assembling a YAK 52 I just acquired and I need to get strobe/nav wire through the wings prior to installing the wings to fuselage. What are recommendations to do this? Through leading edge or through the inspection hole. Should the wire be put into some type of flexible tubing? thanks Robert Schwartz .com/Navigator?Yak-List
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I fished the cables for the Wheelen nav/strobe units via a 1/2" schedule 40 pvc pipe anchored at the flap bay, mid wing inspection plate and at the wing tip.  The pvc does not touch any moving part, does not vibrate or rattle.   The three points of attachment (adel clamps) seem quite adequate - it has been in place for about 500 hours of fairly aggressive operation.
 
I ran the cables through the flap bay - as I recall there are holes or gaps in the structure that work nicely.  I used a combination of silicone and tie wraps to secure.  I installed rubber grommets where I entered the fuselage.  There is a perfect mounting area for the power pack in the left wing accessible when you remove the lower wing fairing (yes all 12 dozen screws!). 
 
I would be glad to try some pictures this weekend if you want.
 
Reade

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I am assembling a YAK 52 I just acquired and I need to get strobe/nav wire through the wings prior to installing the wings to fuselage. What are recommendations to do this?    Through leading edge or through the inspection hole.   Should the wire be put into some type of flexible tubing?
 
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________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:11 PM PST US From: KJKimball@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Kimball Clean Kit Mark, You are correct to point out a lack of 100% fool proof systems in airplanes. I am not aware of a single 100% fool proof system of any kind in an airplane including Yaks and Pitts Model 12s. Why? Pilots are human and despite the best efforts of designers and component developers, these flawed human pilots still find ways to misuse, not use, and abuse systems. Your 2 bulleted points are valid but it should be noted that an oil shut off valve does not eliminate the oil pressure gauge which should be checked at engine start with or without a clean kit system being installed. Airplanes with throttle switches, buzzers, barber poles, etc., still land gear up. I am not aware of any M14 engine loss related to an oil shut off valve and clean kit, ours or others. Maybe someone has specific data on this to share. I am aware of many engine losses due to hydraulic lock. The only real method we have today is the use of check lists and forcing the pilot to be a creature of trained habit in using various aircraft systems. I suppose this will have to do until airplanes have full cognitive reasoning so that they will automatically latch the door or canopy properly, set the power, retract and extend the gear at the proper times, handle the flaps, switch fuel tanks, fill the tanks, make sure the gas and oil caps are secure, the pilot cover is off and the airplane is clear of the hangar door before the door is lowered. Of course, then there is no need for the pilot, right? We can't make everything perfect....only progressively less bad with each iteration. Besides, once we humans get everything in the world absolutely correct, there would be no work for engineers, pilots, politicians, doctors, etc. Then what will I do to earn grocery money? Airplanes will most likely be illegal by then anyway.... Shut off valves and scavenge systems do make the M14 engine more user friendly and less messy. However, they have to be used properly in order to be safe. Sincerely, Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc. PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd. Zellwood, FL 32798 407-889-3451 phone 407-889-7168 fax _www.jimkimballenterprises.com_ (http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/) _www.pittsmodel12.com_ (http://www.pittsmodel12.com/) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:47 PM PST US From: "Jim Shafer" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Kimball Clean Kit ----- Original Message ----- From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Kimball Clean Kit And the oil safety valve will work perfectly UNLESS: 1. You are out of air and decide to prop the engine, which sooner or later all of us will do. 2. Use the manual selector valve handle on the start solanoid. If you wire it like Bill Blackwell does, the power to the start solenoid is interrupted as well. Besides we always have a pilot in the cockpit to hit the start switch, pump the primer and hold the brakes while someone props the plane. The pilot will recognise that the oil switch has not been moved or he will see the big red light on the panel. Jim Shafer ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:33 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Kimball Clean Kit The oil pressure relief valve in the oil pump and the spring that applies the pressure on the valve are the primary problem with excessive oil drain. I have seen the spring bent and also broken. Both caused the valve not to seat. I have pulled the valve out, polished out the groove, reinstalled it and stopped the excessive oil drain. Fix the pressure relief valve and/or the spring and you will basically eliminate the problem. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Kimball Clean Kit And the oil safety valve will work perfectly UNLESS: 1. You are out of air and decide to prop the engine, which sooner or later all of us will do. 2. Use the manual selector valve handle on the start solanoid. Please do not misunderstand me. I think Kevin's product is noteworthy and I will eventually buy one myself and install it. PLUS, the current installation methods include safety designs to prevent engine damage/loss, (such as the mentioned oil safety switch) but they are not fool-proof. The ONLY method I can think of that would be 100% effective would be to tie the MAG P-Leads into this switch, would would automatically ground them if the oil valve was closed, thus totally preventing engine start... and of course that adds the potential of other things going wrong. Just being the Devil's Advocate here... as I said, I think the valve is great. Mark Bitterlich N50YK ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KJKimball@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 7:13 To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Kimball Clean [LashBack] Kit David, Here is a link to the page on our website which shows the various items we have developed and offer for the M14 engine. All these items were originally developed for the Pitts model 12. As you can see, the page is listed as the moose support page because we offer these items to Murphy Moose builders as well. Yes, you can use the oil safety switch on an electric start engine to prevent starting without the oil valve fully open. moose support page Sincerely, Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc. PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd. Zellwood, FL 32798 407-889-3451 phone 407-889-7168 fax www.jimkimballenterprises.com www.pittsmo del12.com .com/Navigator?Yak-List ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:26 PM PST US From: Francis Butler Subject: Yak-List: Wilga --> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler Anyone on this list own a Wilga? Am looking at the new Lycoming powered wilga 2000 as seen at Oshkosh this year. Any user information on the aircraft would be appreciated. On another note, Sold my Yak 50 today. It's going to Alabama. Regards, Francis Butler 701 239-4532 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:55 PM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Wilga --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" Who bought it Francis? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francis Butler" Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:05 PM Subject: Yak-List: Wilga > --> Yak-List message posted by: Francis Butler > > > Anyone on this list own a Wilga? Am looking at the new Lycoming powered > wilga 2000 as seen at Oshkosh this year. Any user information on the > aircraft would be appreciated. On another note, Sold my Yak 50 today. > It's going to Alabama. > > > Regards, > Francis Butler > 701 239-4532 > > >