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1. 01:01 AM - Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting (kp)
2. 07:57 AM - Video Clip (jblake207@comcast.net)
3. 11:28 AM - Red Air Fall Fling (Roger Kemp)
4. 11:44 AM - Re: Red Air Fall Fling (cjpilot710@aol.com)
5. 12:07 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting (Ira Saligman)
6. 12:08 PM - Re: Red Air Fall Fling (Roger Kemp)
7. 01:37 PM - Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting (Scooter)
8. 02:06 PM - Re: Video Clip (Michael Wikstrom)
9. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting (Ben Marsh)
10. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting (doug sapp)
11. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting (Roger Kemp)
12. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting (Ron Davis)
13. 08:39 PM - Re: Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting (N13472@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting |
Yak air tanks can be lethal too !
This one let go on the ground during warm up.
Keep em tested !
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Bell" <yakflyr@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 4:42 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Bell" <yakflyr@comcast.net>
>
> Ben mentioned the oxygen tank explosion at Reno. I was shooting video of
> his team's gorgeous Grumman Tigercat when I heard the big boom. The
> picture below shows what that does to a Mustang.
>
> Jill and Carl at M-14P can now do your hydrotesting. The turnaround is
> fast and they won't ruin your tanks using the wrong fittings.
>
> --------
> Mike Bell
> Yak 52
> Elk Grove, CA
> yakflyr@comcastdotnet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62673#62673
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/reno_2006_008_e_314.jpg
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Can someone forward the link to the vidoe of the midair (YAKS over water??) that
occurred recently? Vr, Jon
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| Subject: | Red Air Fall Fling |
Yakkers,
Just checked with the Jamison Inn, Selma, Al, they have 26 Red Star drivers signed
up and still have rooms available. If you are planning on attending, please
go to the RPA website and register. Also if you do not mind drop me an email
with your flight time and needs/ interest along with are you bringing a guest
that wants the city tours or is planning on flying as a GIB?! Seems there are
a couple of GIBs that would like to tour the historic district of Selma with
its rich civil war heritage? I personally plan to be flying when ever I can so
the tourist are on their own!
Seriously, maybe able to get one of the locals to come up with a city map with
historical pertinent on it for the interested.
Remember, Red Air Fall Fling is scheduled for !2 Oct - 15 Oct 06. We have thanks
to the efforts of Scottie Weasle Patterson secured a discount of 0.50 cents
on fuel. So expect around $3.50 for fuel maybe less. The vans are reserved along
with rooms at the Jamison Inn. If you for got the number to reserve your room,
here it is again: 334-874-8600.
12 Oct O6 Arrival with FAST ground school in the afternoonish....have not heard
a hard time hack yet. Time permiting practice form flying in the afternoon. Am
for arrival and helping Scottie setup. Approx 1730-1800, debrief and set schedule
for weekend.
Pappy, Linedogg, Weasle, Shane ( we need a call sign for Shane too), Pumper, Kilo,
Ski, LaCloudchaser (do you have a tactical call sign?),and Hammer, if ya'll
can contact me off line we will start a thread on setting the schedule for the
weekend as it pertains to FAST, Tactical, and Formation Acro. Damned, I would
have made my 6th grade English teacher proud of that run-on broken sentence!
How was that Ms. Stuckey? God rest her pea picking soul!
Thanks,
Viperdoc
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
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| Subject: | Re: Red Air Fall Fling |
In a message dated 9/21/2006 11:30:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
Doc,
I'm afraid I have to drop out of the planning. I'm now schedule to take a
check ride for the B-24 on the 19th. I'll be leaving on the 4th to do my
training and rides with the foundation. Sorry.
Pappy
Askers,
Just checked with the Jamison Inn, Selma, Al, they have 26 Red Star drivers
signed up and still have rooms available. If you are planning on attending,
please go to the RPA website and register. Also if you do not mind drop me an
email with your flight time and needs/ interest along with are you bringing a
guest that wants the city tours or is planning on flying as a GIB?! Seems
there are a couple of GIBs that would like to tour the historic district of
Selma with its rich civil war heritage? I personally plan to be flying when ever
I can so the tourist are on their own!
Seriously, maybe able to get one of the locals to come up with a city map
with historical pertinent on it for the interested.
Remember, Red Air Fall Fling is scheduled for !2 Oct - 15 Oct 06. We have
thanks to the efforts of Scottie Weasle Patterson secured a discount of 0.50
cents on fuel. So expect around $3.50 for fuel maybe less. The vans are
reserved along with rooms at the Jamison Inn. If you for got the number to reserve
your room, here it is again: 334-874-8600.
12 Oct O6 Arrival with FAST ground school in the afternoonish....have not
heard a hard time hack yet. Time permiting practice form flying in the
afternoon. Am for arrival and helping Scottie setup. Approx 1730-1800, debrief
and
set schedule for weekend.
Pappy, Linedogg, Weasle, Shane ( we need a call sign for Shane too), Pumper,
Kilo, Ski, LaCloudchaser (do you have a tactical call sign?),and Hammer, if
ya'll can contact me off line we will start a thread on setting the schedule
for the weekend as it pertains to FAST, Tactical, and Formation Acro. Damned,
I would have made my 6th grade English teacher proud of that run-on broken
sentence! How was that Ms. Stuckey? God rest her pea picking soul!
Thanks,
Viperdoc
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
_viperdoc@mindspring.com_ (mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com)
Aint no sound like a Radial
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting |
The tank exploded because it was over pressurized. It was an original type
tank, which is low pressure and rarely used today.
The important questions are:
from the aircraft owners point of view: WHo allowed it to be filed w/out
checking/confirming what was going in
from the maintainer's view: How did someone come to be filling a tank
without know for certain the type of tank it was.
Ira Saligman
RPA Treasurer
o 610 687 0420
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
<mailto:treasurer@flyredstar.org> treasurer@flyredstar.org
<mailto:isaligman@saligman.com> isaligman@saligman.com
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| Subject: | Re: Red Air Fall Fling |
Sorry to hear that Pappy, but good luck.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 9/21/2006 1:56:02 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling
In a message dated 9/21/2006 11:30:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, viperdoc@mindspring.com
writes:
Doc,
I'm afraid I have to drop out of the planning. I'm now schedule to take a check
ride for the B-24 on the 19th. I'll be leaving on the 4th to do my training
and rides with the foundation. Sorry.
Pappy
Askers,
Just checked with the Jamison Inn, Selma, Al, they have 26 Red Star drivers signed
up and still have rooms available. If you are planning on attending, please
go to the RPA website and register. Also if you do not mind drop me an email
with your flight time and needs/ interest along with are you bringing a guest
that wants the city tours or is planning on flying as a GIB?! Seems there are
a couple of GIBs that would like to tour the historic district of Selma with
its rich civil war heritage? I personally plan to be flying when ever I can so
the tourist are on their own!
Seriously, maybe able to get one of the locals to come up with a city map with
historical pertinent on it for the interested.
Remember, Red Air Fall Fling is scheduled for !2 Oct - 15 Oct 06. We have thanks
to the efforts of Scottie Weasle Patterson secured a discount of 0.50 cents
on fuel. So expect around $3.50 for fuel maybe less. The vans are reserved along
with rooms at the Jamison Inn. If you for got the number to reserve your room,
here it is again: 334-874-8600.
12 Oct O6 Arrival with FAST ground school in the afternoonish....have not heard
a hard time hack yet. Time permiting practice form flying in the afternoon. Am
for arrival and helping Scottie setup. Approx 1730-1800, debrief and set schedule
for weekend.
Pappy, Linedogg, Weasle, Shane ( we need a call sign for Shane too), Pumper, Kilo,
Ski, LaCloudchaser (do you have a tactical call sign?),and Hammer, if ya'll
can contact me off line we will start a thread on setting the schedule for the
weekend as it pertains to FAST, Tactical, and Formation Acro. Damned, I would
have made my 6th grade English teacher proud of that run-on broken sentence!
How was that Ms. Stuckey? God rest her pea picking soul!
Thanks,
Viperdoc
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
I assume that's pilot O2 (what else can it be)? Seems like a large supply. I
guess these guys are flying up high. I did a little searching and found two other
O2 cylinder explosions in P-51 mustangs over the years (one last year and
one in '72).
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63087#63087
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Jon
Here is a link to a video showing the Yak55 accident
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/scp_v3/viewer/index.php?pid=16598
<http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/scp_v3/viewer/index.php?pid=16598&rn=49750&cl
831109&ch=68276&src=warbirdinformationexchange.org>
&rn=49750&cl=831109&ch=68276&src=warbirdinformationexchange.org
Regards
Michael Wikstrom
35 Chemin Figournas
06480 La Colle sur Loup
France
YAK-18T HA-YAI
Tel: +33 493 73 26 33
Fax:
email michael@wikstrom.cc
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jblake207@comcast.net
Sent: 21 September 2006 16:57
Subject: Yak-List: Video Clip
Can someone forward the link to the vidoe of the midair (YAKS over water??)
that occurred recently? Vr, Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ben Marsh" <ben@designselect.net>
It happened in Tom Dwelle's Sea Fury as well. Pressure indicator rated for
3000 psi, bottle rated for 1000 psi. When it blew it took Dwelle's fingers
and sent the bottle through the airplane and into the top of the hanger.
Ouch!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scooter
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
I assume that's pilot O2 (what else can it be)? Seems like a large supply.
I guess these guys are flying up high. I did a little searching and found
two other O2 cylinder explosions in P-51 mustangs over the years (one last
year and one in '72).
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63087#63087
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
This is a good point, you should be checking your gauges as well as your
tanks.
New CJ replacement tanks used to be very hard to find but I have managed to
source them out of China once again, but testing is still the lowest cost
way to be sure, this being said make sure you ask the right questions of the
firm doing the testing. I found one outfit who simply was cleaning and
inspecting the interior of the tanks and did no pressure testing because
they indicated that they did not have the fittings to do so, but were still
willing to say the tank was ok for use. "let the buyer beware"
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ben Marsh
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ben Marsh" <ben@designselect.net>
It happened in Tom Dwelle's Sea Fury as well. Pressure indicator rated for
3000 psi, bottle rated for 1000 psi. When it blew it took Dwelle's fingers
and sent the bottle through the airplane and into the top of the hanger.
Ouch!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scooter
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scooter" <yakk52@verizon.net>
I assume that's pilot O2 (what else can it be)? Seems like a large supply.
I guess these guys are flying up high. I did a little searching and found
two other O2 cylinder explosions in P-51 mustangs over the years (one last
year and one in '72).
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=63087#63087
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting |
Hence my first statement on the this thread, Ouch...those Tech Orders really do
mean something!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Ira Saligman
Sent: 9/21/2006 2:22:44 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting
The tank exploded because it was over pressurized. It was an original type tank,
which is low pressure and rarely used today.
The important questions are:
from the aircraft owners point of view: WHo allowed it to be filed w/out checking/confirming
what was going in
from the maintainer's view: How did someone come to be filling a tank without know
for certain the type of tank it was.
Ira Saligman
RPA Treasurer
o 610 687 0420
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
treasurer@flyredstar.org
isaligman@saligman.com
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting |
MessageAre we to understand that North American didn't didn't know about
relief valves or rupture disks when they designed the Mustang?
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting
Hence my first statement on the this thread, Ouch...those Tech Orders
really do mean something!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Ira Saligman
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 9/21/2006 2:22:44 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting
The tank exploded because it was over pressurized. It was an
original type tank, which is low pressure and rarely used today.
The important questions are:
from the aircraft owners point of view: WHo allowed it to be filed
w/out checking/confirming what was going in
from the maintainer's view: How did someone come to be filling a
tank without know for certain the type of tank it was.
Ira Saligman
RPA Treasurer
o 610 687 0420
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
treasurer@flyredstar.org
isaligman@saligman.com
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| Subject: | Re: Oxygen Tank Explosion, Hydrotesting |
In a message dated 9/21/2006 7:45:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
L39parts@hotmail.com writes:
Are we to understand that North American didn't didn't know about relief
valves or rupture disks when they designed the Mustang?
----- Original Message -----
Yes they did but most systems of that time were 400 to 500 PSI type I
believe that the P-51
had 5 or 6 low press bottles. one reason for this was when Flak or rounds
hit the bottles they
would not BLOW the plane up.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 NX63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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